at this point I'm just waiting for someone to copy the case design so I can build a proper hackintosh!
First look: the new Mac Pro
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It's so expensive because Apple are dicks when it comes to their pricing.
This is Stan talk.
People say shit like this as if there is one kind of "windows machine". Ever since they switched to Intel processors, macs are the same gotdamn parts running a different OS in a different chassis and a pc can be built to smoke the fucking doors off a Mac for what has historically been a fraction of the cost.
I say this as someone who's owned a Mac pro and built God knows how many PCs.
Then had the nerve to use the word asinine lol
This is the talk of someone thats comparing a PERSONAL COMPUTER to one that is used to make movies like Toy Story.
Yes, a pc can be spec'd out to make movies but that doesn't mean thats what studios are using or prefer to use.
Studios prefer Mac Pro's for production.
None of what you said addressed a machine made for professionals in specific industries.
you said "comparing this to a windows machine". And I didn't say shit about what studios prefer to use. I refuted your claim, quoted above.
Nobody says pc to mean personal computer anymore anyway, fuck is this, 1995? PC has long been used in reference to windows platform computers.
And I didn't say it could be "spec'd out to make movies", Jesus christ man try to stay with me. I said that Mac stans tend to refer to "PCs" as some kind of monolith and they've done that since that first ad campaign for those candy imacs, when actually there are shit joints and Bugatti joints.
Ok. I got it now. These computers are for making big budget high resolution movies.
Most people aren't making Toy Story type movies at home.
Why they showcasing this kinda computer when they never did stuff like this before?
They usually just talk about the phone. Why is the work station getting so much press.
No one is buying that.
Most people aren't making Toy Story type movies at home.
Why they showcasing this kinda computer when they never did stuff like this before?
They usually just talk about the phone. Why is the work station getting so much press.
No one is buying that.
The pro community has been asking for a real workstation computer for years. The "trashcan" was supposed to be Apple's way of bringing the workstation into a new era. Pros don't want new. They want old reliable (big case, upgradeable parts) with current technology. This is the market that kept Apple alive until they became the company we know today.
They have "regular" folk computers and laptops already for sale. The pro line was the last to be updated.
I'm going to try to word this in a way, that the layman may understand.
Apple has always excelled graphics, period. They effortlessly handled that.
Years ago, I remember when graphics cards were the largest at 64mb then revolutionary came 128mb graphics cards that cost $350 and was expensive back then.
Graphics was handled by the cpu/processor and your graphics card did not handle necessarily GPU computation but visually shown what was going on.
Fast forward to today, where PCI slots are not bottlenecks any longer and can compute on the speed that the motherboard computes. You have 8gb graphics cards and you can even plug in 3-4 of them to run in a chain.
In the past, before you had server farms computing, cloud computing, you would render and do many processes solely on one machine which would take hours, and God forbid, some took days.
Windows machines today, don't have the past hinderances of 5-10 years ago or more.
Saying all that to say, you do not need to stick to necessarily a Mac platform to render or do many graphic processes.
The community or industry uses it for simplicity. Many Mac users don't want the complexity or multiple variances. They just wanna know, take this footage, put this here, cut it there, output video, done. Apply the same logic to audio and what have you.
I supported a 500 user environment back when I did IT. Dealt with many engineers, all on a mix on PC and Mac, maybe 80-85% PC.
My feeling is just that we are not in the same era, technology wise, where you have desktops that can move at ludicrous speeds even with the advent of SSD drives.
I've said it numerous times in this thread, for Apple to show that to the average person is because just like the G5 way back, many will buy them, cause everyone will want it for the cool factor, and today, the online clout. They know exactly what they are doing.
These are the same people who will pay premium price to get their Apple Watch or iPhone in gold tone. They know their base. And their base will pay, and will gladly stand in a line for hours to buy this when it debuts.
You can't tell me I can't build a windows machine for less than half the price that won't blow the doors off their base model.
Once they moved to an Intel based chipset, they can no longer keep their build proprietary, they have to conform to tech of 'today'. So they really aren't innovating anything that a Win desktop, like a gaming machine can't do.
Sheeit, an AMD machine would murder that machine and I thought I'd never say AMD would beat Intel, but their processors are killing it today.
Sorry for the long post.
Apple has always excelled graphics, period. They effortlessly handled that.
Years ago, I remember when graphics cards were the largest at 64mb then revolutionary came 128mb graphics cards that cost $350 and was expensive back then.
Graphics was handled by the cpu/processor and your graphics card did not handle necessarily GPU computation but visually shown what was going on.
Fast forward to today, where PCI slots are not bottlenecks any longer and can compute on the speed that the motherboard computes. You have 8gb graphics cards and you can even plug in 3-4 of them to run in a chain.
In the past, before you had server farms computing, cloud computing, you would render and do many processes solely on one machine which would take hours, and God forbid, some took days.
Windows machines today, don't have the past hinderances of 5-10 years ago or more.
Saying all that to say, you do not need to stick to necessarily a Mac platform to render or do many graphic processes.
The community or industry uses it for simplicity. Many Mac users don't want the complexity or multiple variances. They just wanna know, take this footage, put this here, cut it there, output video, done. Apply the same logic to audio and what have you.
I supported a 500 user environment back when I did IT. Dealt with many engineers, all on a mix on PC and Mac, maybe 80-85% PC.
My feeling is just that we are not in the same era, technology wise, where you have desktops that can move at ludicrous speeds even with the advent of SSD drives.
I've said it numerous times in this thread, for Apple to show that to the average person is because just like the G5 way back, many will buy them, cause everyone will want it for the cool factor, and today, the online clout. They know exactly what they are doing.
These are the same people who will pay premium price to get their Apple Watch or iPhone in gold tone. They know their base. And their base will pay, and will gladly stand in a line for hours to buy this when it debuts.
You can't tell me I can't build a windows machine for less than half the price that won't blow the doors off their base model.
Once they moved to an Intel based chipset, they can no longer keep their build proprietary, they have to conform to tech of 'today'. So they really aren't innovating anything that a Win desktop, like a gaming machine can't do.
Sheeit, an AMD machine would murder that machine and I thought I'd never say AMD would beat Intel, but their processors are killing it today.
Sorry for the long post.
WWDC is held in June annually.
They normally announce some type of a spec bump to a hardware product outside of the iPhone during WWDC.
Its been awhile since they released that piece of trash which was the previous Mac Pro.
These aren't updated often but this is the platform they would use to announce it.
^^^^Hope fully that video puts things into perspective for the simple minded ones.
https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...o-desktop-and-pro-display-xdr-at-wwdc.278178/
From www.theverge.com
No one seems to figure in just how much it costs to make the custom machined Aloominium case as Jony Ive calls it.
I'd estimate that case alone costs close to 2,000 USD. It looks like the only "parts" you'll be able to upgrade yourself are the CPU and ram. In every YT review I've seen, they all say "Expensive" more than a few times. trs96
Here’s how it all breaks down for the maxed out Mac Pro.
One (1) Mac Pro: $6,000
We start with the base Mac Pro itself, which we know Apple is selling starting at $6,000 for the base model. Because you can’t just buy an enclosure on its own, this price also includes things like the motherboard, power supply, heat sink, cooling system, and chassis (the optional wheels may cost extra). It’ll probably also come with a CPU, a GPU, and some RAM, but we’ll be replacing those shortly anyhow.
Twelve (12) 128GB DDR4 ECC RAM sticks: $17,867.88
The easiest thing on our shopping list is RAM. The new Mac Pro has 12 user-accessible DIMM slots that take DDR4 ECC memory. For the maximum of 1.5TB of RAM, we need 12 128GB sticks of RAM; at roughly $1,388.99 each, that rings up to a whopping $17,867.88 for memory. But just imagine: with $18K of RAM, you might even be able to keep three whole Chrome tabs open at once!
Two (2) 2TB SSDs: $2,400
This one’s easy: Apple charges $2,400 to upgrade its iMac Pro to 4TB of storage, so we can extrapolate that it’ll probably charge the same to upgrade the Mac Pro to the same. It’s not clear whether this storage is user upgradable or not (especially considering that it’s encrypted by Apple’s T2 chip, which implies some hardware level integration on Apple’s end), so we’ll take Apple’s far pricier number as the minimum here for now.
One (1) 2.5GHz 28-core Intel Xeon W processor: approximately $7,453
Next up: we need the best CPU we can get: in this case, a 2.5GHz, 28-core Intel Xeon W processor that can Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz, with a 66.5MB cache and support for up to 2TB 2933MHz memory. Now, Apple doesn’t specify what 28-core Xeon processor it’ll be shipping with the Mac Pro, but looking at Intel’s product database, the closest option out there is the Intel Xeon W-3275M, which the company lists a recommended customer price for of $7,453, which we’ll assume to be the bare minimum here. Now Apple’s processor probably isn’t the W-3275M (Apple lists a much higher cache size, to start), but the rest of the specs are pretty close.
Two (2) AMD Radeon Pro Vega II GPUs: Price unknown, but let’s say $12,000, minimum
Here’s the tricky bit. AMD announced its Radeon Pro Vega II GPUs alongside the Mac Pro, which means we’ve got no idea how much it’ll cost to buy them. We also don’t know if you’ll even be able to buy them separately at all; depending on how Apple’s MDX Module system works, that might not be an option.
Apple will sell you up to four Vega GPUs in total: Two Vega II Duo cards, each with two GPUs, linked together with Apple’s Infinity Fabric Link across two of Apple’s MDX Modules. Whatever the grand total is there, it won’t come cheap.
Assuming AMD prices the Vega II similarly to Nvidia’s professional grade Quadro RTX offerings, though — the Quadro RTX 6000, for instance, cost $6,300 new with only a little more raw compute than Apple’s promising here — we’ll say Apple’s solution will cost at least $12,000 for the whole quad-GPU package. Add the MDX Modules and Apple’s markup, though, and we wouldn’t be totally surprised if it was double that.
One (1) Apple Afterburner accelerator card: price unknown
Technically this is an optional accessory, but it comes from Apple so I’m including it here. No idea how much it’ll cost, though.
One (1) Apple Pro Display XDR monitor: $5,000
Apple announced the Pro Display XDR monitor alongside the new Mac Pro. Sure, you could use a cheaper (and lesser display), but the Pro Display XDR was designed specifically to pair with the Mac Pro, so you’ll probably want to pick one up. Or six. It supports six.
One (1) Apple Pro Stand for the Pro Display XDR monitor: $1,000
Stand sold separately.
One (1) Apple Magic Keyboard and one (1) Magic Trackpad 2: $228
You probably should buy a mouse and keyboard, too. EDIT: These are included in the $6,000 base price.
Total cost: Somewhere around $50,000 to $60,000 for a maxed out Mac Pro 2019.
You asked for a Pro machine and you got it. Along with astronomical prices.
From www.theverge.com
No one seems to figure in just how much it costs to make the custom machined Aloominium case as Jony Ive calls it.
I'd estimate that case alone costs close to 2,000 USD. It looks like the only "parts" you'll be able to upgrade yourself are the CPU and ram. In every YT review I've seen, they all say "Expensive" more than a few times. trs96
Here’s how it all breaks down for the maxed out Mac Pro.
One (1) Mac Pro: $6,000
We start with the base Mac Pro itself, which we know Apple is selling starting at $6,000 for the base model. Because you can’t just buy an enclosure on its own, this price also includes things like the motherboard, power supply, heat sink, cooling system, and chassis (the optional wheels may cost extra). It’ll probably also come with a CPU, a GPU, and some RAM, but we’ll be replacing those shortly anyhow.
Twelve (12) 128GB DDR4 ECC RAM sticks: $17,867.88
The easiest thing on our shopping list is RAM. The new Mac Pro has 12 user-accessible DIMM slots that take DDR4 ECC memory. For the maximum of 1.5TB of RAM, we need 12 128GB sticks of RAM; at roughly $1,388.99 each, that rings up to a whopping $17,867.88 for memory. But just imagine: with $18K of RAM, you might even be able to keep three whole Chrome tabs open at once!
Two (2) 2TB SSDs: $2,400
This one’s easy: Apple charges $2,400 to upgrade its iMac Pro to 4TB of storage, so we can extrapolate that it’ll probably charge the same to upgrade the Mac Pro to the same. It’s not clear whether this storage is user upgradable or not (especially considering that it’s encrypted by Apple’s T2 chip, which implies some hardware level integration on Apple’s end), so we’ll take Apple’s far pricier number as the minimum here for now.
One (1) 2.5GHz 28-core Intel Xeon W processor: approximately $7,453
Next up: we need the best CPU we can get: in this case, a 2.5GHz, 28-core Intel Xeon W processor that can Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz, with a 66.5MB cache and support for up to 2TB 2933MHz memory. Now, Apple doesn’t specify what 28-core Xeon processor it’ll be shipping with the Mac Pro, but looking at Intel’s product database, the closest option out there is the Intel Xeon W-3275M, which the company lists a recommended customer price for of $7,453, which we’ll assume to be the bare minimum here. Now Apple’s processor probably isn’t the W-3275M (Apple lists a much higher cache size, to start), but the rest of the specs are pretty close.
Two (2) AMD Radeon Pro Vega II GPUs: Price unknown, but let’s say $12,000, minimum
Here’s the tricky bit. AMD announced its Radeon Pro Vega II GPUs alongside the Mac Pro, which means we’ve got no idea how much it’ll cost to buy them. We also don’t know if you’ll even be able to buy them separately at all; depending on how Apple’s MDX Module system works, that might not be an option.
Apple will sell you up to four Vega GPUs in total: Two Vega II Duo cards, each with two GPUs, linked together with Apple’s Infinity Fabric Link across two of Apple’s MDX Modules. Whatever the grand total is there, it won’t come cheap.
Assuming AMD prices the Vega II similarly to Nvidia’s professional grade Quadro RTX offerings, though — the Quadro RTX 6000, for instance, cost $6,300 new with only a little more raw compute than Apple’s promising here — we’ll say Apple’s solution will cost at least $12,000 for the whole quad-GPU package. Add the MDX Modules and Apple’s markup, though, and we wouldn’t be totally surprised if it was double that.
One (1) Apple Afterburner accelerator card: price unknown
Technically this is an optional accessory, but it comes from Apple so I’m including it here. No idea how much it’ll cost, though.
One (1) Apple Pro Display XDR monitor: $5,000
Apple announced the Pro Display XDR monitor alongside the new Mac Pro. Sure, you could use a cheaper (and lesser display), but the Pro Display XDR was designed specifically to pair with the Mac Pro, so you’ll probably want to pick one up. Or six. It supports six.
One (1) Apple Pro Stand for the Pro Display XDR monitor: $1,000
Stand sold separately.
One (1) Apple Magic Keyboard and one (1) Magic Trackpad 2: $228
You probably should buy a mouse and keyboard, too. EDIT: These are included in the $6,000 base price.
Total cost: Somewhere around $50,000 to $60,000 for a maxed out Mac Pro 2019.
You asked for a Pro machine and you got it. Along with astronomical prices.
to be honest, the best way to compare this mac is to compare it to the other high end workstations that people in those industries tend to look at.
I know HP makes the Z4 and Z6
https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/desk..._vidgraph/products/z4-shop-now#!&tab=features
And there are some other companies that make high end machines for this purpose, but I can't say I am familiar with them.
It's pointless to keep bringing up the home build option. People who buy these computers are more than happy to pay premium prices for systems they feel will work as advertised and will pay additional money for tier one support.
Of course, they are charging top prices for their services and are able to write off the expenses on their taxes.
I know HP makes the Z4 and Z6
https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/desk..._vidgraph/products/z4-shop-now#!&tab=features
And there are some other companies that make high end machines for this purpose, but I can't say I am familiar with them.
It's pointless to keep bringing up the home build option. People who buy these computers are more than happy to pay premium prices for systems they feel will work as advertised and will pay additional money for tier one support.
Of course, they are charging top prices for their services and are able to write off the expenses on their taxes.
I was just watching this video, I had a Bluetooth keyboard but gave it to my niece because it seemed silly to use without mouse support. I’ll probably get another keyboard and mouse now’
It won't.
You’re not building a machine with a high end Xeon processor and a lot of ECC Ram and those GPUs for 2.5k.
You would be using consumer parts.
even with pro parts it wouldnt be over 5k and that would be OVERKILL.. I build machines able to hand 4k and now 8k for government installations... That also read satliete VIDEO and other shit... You dont need to spend 15k on a MAC to get those same perrformance results..
At the end of the day the only major difference is the OS.. And a MAC OS is not worth the premium.
The CPU they’re using in the level of a box is probably 7-8k by itself as detailed in the article above.
The thing is, as you said, it’s complete overkill if you’re not doing really high end, high precision computation. I’m not sure who the real audience is for that box. I don’t think there is one. Anyone doing that level stuff is doing it on linux. MacOS would hold them back.
Apparently it is if people purchase these.
IDGAF what this dude is talking about.
the marketing decision behind not including the stand and just pricing the monitor at 6 grand or making stand appropriately priced was asinine. no matter what the company is. (his RED camera examples included)
this dude is the definition of a stan.
far from simple minded.
it was a ridiculous marketing/bean counter decision to price that stand like that.
Thanks for the recommendation.
I was trying to stick with mac os, and I still will probably (hackintosh) but I will be buying a Threadripper. Fuck that Mac Pro shit, time to move on.
I haven't kept up with the latest hardware developments in some years so I had no idea.
Thanks again.
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