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Big Tex said:
You’re too simple to understand what the 5th amendment is.

You’re not going to have Trump admitting to crimes on the stand.
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I keep trying to tell you this, but you aren't listening. The POTUS CAN NOT plead the fifth during an impeachment trial. Look it up. It's not a criminal trial. Congress orders an immunized testimony, which couldn't be used against him during a criminal trial. Impeachment is not a criminal trial. You comply and testify or you go to jail for contempt.

That's why he's scared to death of an impeachment.
 
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gene cisco said:
Republicans were headed for a historic smackdown in the mid-terms.
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No, they weren't. And on election night, it was still being spun as a Republican win...it wasn't until a week later when all the close races were called did it become clear it was a blowout in the House. The map was way too difficult for the Senate though. The sentiment leading up to the midterms spelled doom for the Dems (up until 2-3 months out when the polling started to shift a bit) because the map was so bad and Republicans generally vote at MUCH higher rates during mid-terms. The Dems have historically not done well in mid-term elections and the map was awful.

When it was announced that Trump was getting a surprise nominee because of the retirement of Kennedy, everyone thought the Dem's advantage was going to be washed out because the GOP were going to be fired up because nothing gets them more fired up than the courts...and they said they were going to make the dems pay at the ballot box over the Kavanaugh hearings.

and I know for a fact the rightwing thought they still had a chance to win the House because I read their fucking main blogs every single day and their wildly biased pollsters like Rasmussen had the House pretty much as a wash going into election night.

Gene, this is literally the night before the election. Not only did many of them not expect a blowout, they actually entertained the idea of EXPANDING their House control. Trump and their polling companies had them that gassed up.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_nov05

The final Rasmussen Reports Generic Congressional Ballot before Election Day shows Republicans edging ahead by one point, but in essence, the two parties are tied. The survey has a +/-2 percentage point margin of error.




The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds that 46% would choose the Republican candidate if the elections for Congress were held today. Forty-five percent (45%) would vote for the Democrat. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) remain undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
 
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Spectrum said:
I keep trying to tell you this, but you aren't listening. The POTUS CAN NOT plead the fifth during an impeachment trial. Look it up. It's not a criminal trial. Congress orders an immunized testimony, which couldn't be used against him during a criminal trial. Impeachment is not a criminal trial. No one can plead the 5th. You comply and testify or you go to jail for contempt.
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“Trump could follow his predecessors’ example, or he could take an unprecedented route by asserting his Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination. Doing so might create a constitutional crisis. While “pleading the Fifth” isn’t necessarily an admission of guilt, refusing to cooperate with a federal investigation could be considered obstruction of justice. Of course, many politicians and scholars have called the President’s decision to fire James Comey obstruction of justice. If that’s the case, why hasn’t President Trump been impeached already? How much can the President get away with? The answer is simple: As much as Congress will allow.”

Remember impeachment is really a vote on the articles of impeachment of the house. Before then you have hearings/investigations.

So basically Trump can plead the 5th during the investigation part of the impeachment and all the house can do is try to double impeach him for obstruction of justice again. And, well, we know what the Senate is going to do. Or he could claim executive privilege which congress has no power over.

If Trump has proven anything he is willing to push his presidential power to the max. He is going to tell the Dems to fuck off an sue him to the supreme court he just stacked with Kavanaugh who has said he doesn’t think a sitting president can be indicted or should even be sued.

Hell he could just answer “I don’t recall” to every question. What are they going to do, impeach him harder?

Would it make him look guiltier? Probably. But as long as he has a Senate that would never under any circumstances.

But man, seriously. Pelosi needs to do this shit asap, tonight even. Just to get it out of the way.

Dems won one of the biggest landslide midterms on healthcare and now they want to leave that behind and make the case on obstruction.
 
Big Tex said:


“Trump could follow his predecessors’ example, or he could take an unprecedented route by asserting his Fifth Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination. Doing so might create a constitutional crisis. While “pleading the Fifth” isn’t necessarily an admission of guilt, refusing to cooperate with a federal investigation could be considered obstruction of justice. Of course, many politicians and scholars have called the President’s decision to fire James Comey obstruction of justice. If that’s the case, why hasn’t President Trump been impeached already? How much can the President get away with? The answer is simple: As much as Congress will allow.”

Remember impeachment is really a vote on the articles of impeachment of the house. Before then you have hearings/investigations.

So basically Trump can plead the 5th during the investigation part of the impeachment and all the house can do is try to double impeach him for obstruction of justice again. And, well, we know what the Senate is going to do. Or he could claim executive privilege which congress has no power over.

If Trump has proven anything he is willing to push his presidential power to the max. He is going to tell the Dems to fuck off an sue him to the supreme court he just stacked with Kavanaugh who has said he doesn’t think a sitting president can be indicted or should even be sued.

Hell he could just answer “I don’t recall” to every question. What are they going to do, impeach him harder?

Would it make him look guiltier? Probably. But as long as he has a Senate that would never under any circumstances.

But man, seriously. Pelosi needs to do this shit asap, tonight even. Just to get it out of the way.

Dems won one of the biggest landslide midterms on healthcare and now they want to leave that behind and make the case on obstruction.
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Dawg. That's if he pleaded the 5th to MUELLER....not in an impeachment hearing. Congress lays out an immunized testimony protocol because it's not a criminal trial and no testimony can be used against him in any following criminal investigations.

I think I have actually posted the very article you posted on bgol last year.

That's only for dealing with the Special Counsel. They were laying out a path of what would happen if Trump took the 5th amendment with Mueller to avoid testifying.

I'm telling you... search for hours on google, you won't find anything that tells you that the POTUS can plead the 5th during an impeachment trial because he can't! It's not in the constitution. He would have to testify and Congress would lay out an immunized testimony protocol that would insulate him from future criminal liability because of that testimony. Trump wouldn't have any say so in the matter. He would have no choice but to testify.
 
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Big Tex said:



But man, seriously. Pelosi needs to do this shit asap, tonight even. Just to get it out of the way.

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She's not going to do it. I don't think the Dems want to because of the same reasons you're giving....which are legitimate concerns. Trump has been fucking Teflon Don for real and they're obviously worried about it blowing up on them. I get it.
 
Spectrum said:
She's not going to do it. I don't think the Dems want to because of the same reasons you're giving....which are legitimate concerns. Trump has been fucking Teflon Don for real and they're obviously worried about it blowing up on them. I get it.
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She has to. The Dem caucus cannot stay together without it. And honestly, I don’t blame people for wanting to drag his orange ass.

What they can’t do is drag this shit out. Either do it or not.

And trust me brotha. With a politician with one decent bone in his body, yoh would be 100% correct. But Trump would burn this whole shit down to save his own sorry ass.

And seriously i hate myself for saying they shouldn’t impeach. I just can’t take 4 more years of the shit man.

I can’t
 
Another reason I’ve come around to impeachment, no Dem is going to be upset if they impeach. I might not think it’s smart but I’m not going to be mad if they do.

There are, however, lots of people thay would be livid if they don’t impeach which is why Hoyer taking it off the table was stupid.

In the name of togetherness and keeping the caucus together, let’s roll.

Fuck Trump
 
Big Tex said:
She has to. The Dem caucus cannot stay together without it. And honestly, I don’t blame people for wanting to drag his orange ass.

What they can’t do is drag this shit out. Either do it or not.

And trust me brotha. With a politician with one decent bone in his body, yoh would be 100% correct. But Trump would burn this whole shit down to save his own sorry ass.

And seriously i hate myself for saying they shouldn’t impeach. I just can’t take 4 more years of the shit man.

I can’t
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People are pushing hard, but I still feel like the Dems don't have the stomach for it. I think they're going to give a bunch of tough rhetoric and then say, we need to hear from Mueller so that we get some clarity. Mueller is going to testify and he's going to give very "by the book" answers that likely not going to give them much. Then they're trying to go to the courts.

I think they're both afraid he'll come out of the shit with a WIN (like how they're trying to spin this Mueller stuff despite Mueller literally giving a lot of evidence to support obstruction) and that during this entire process, he'll just really burn it all down. I honestly think both parties are afraid of him.
 
As much of an idiot as he is, Trump has been planning for this moment by hiring an AG that believes inexpanded executive power and protection and appointing a supreme court justice that believes the same.
 
Spectrum said:
People are pushing hard, but I still feel like the Dems don't have the stomach for it. I think they're going to give a bunch of tough rhetoric and then say, we need to hear from Mueller so that we get some clarity. Mueller is going to testify and he's going to give very "by the book" answers that likely not going to give them much. Then they're trying to go to the courts.

I think they're both afraid he'll come out of the shit with a WIN (like how they're trying to spin this Mueller stuff despite Mueller literally giving a lot of evidence to support obstruction) and that during this entire process, he'll just really burn it all down. I honestly think both parties are afraid of him.
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I know she doesn’t want to, but at this point, not doing it may supress Dem turnout so much that he gets re-elected.

But man, I agree with you. In an ideal world, the impeachment would be a no brainer. Even Some republicans would come on board because there are at least some decent people that give a fuck about the democracy.

I’m so fucking jaded at this point and have such low expectations that I don’t really expect anyone to do what’s right.

And that’s what drove all the shit I typed in here. Arguing against an impeachment I want because I don’t trust the electorate or the Senate to do what’s right or care.

I’m about to watch the Rockets and chill out. Lol
 
ugk said:
What's stopping him from interfering in SdNY?
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The head of the SDNY has recused himself from all things Mueller-rated and multiple people manage Trump-related investigations (not just one person like in most offices). Plus SDNY's investigative powers and independence are so strong that if often bypasses DOJ protocols depending on the case. SDNY is a whole different animal and if Trump doesn't get re-elected they're likely fry him if they have the evidence. Barr couldn't stop SDNY.
 
Spectrum said:
The head of the SDNY has recused himself from all things Mueller-rated and multiple people manage Trump-related investigations (not just one person like in most offices). Plus SDNY's investigative powers and independent is so strong that if often bypasses DOJ protocols depending on the case. SDNY is a whole different animal and if Trump doesn't get re-elected they're likely fry him if they have the evidence.
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But there is nothing stopping Barr from interfering because he's not recused
 
Big Tex said:
Another reason I’ve come around to impeachment, no Dem is going to be upset if they impeach. I might not think it’s smart but I’m not going to be mad if they do.

There are, however, lots of people thay would be livid if they don’t impeach which is why Hoyer taking it off the table was stupid.

In the name of togetherness and keeping the caucus together, let’s roll.

Fuck Trump
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:suicide:
 
Spectrum said:
No, they weren't. And on election night, it was still being spun as a Republican win...it wasn't until a week later when all the close races were called did it become clear it was a blowout in the House. The map was way too difficult for the Senate though. The sentiment leading up to the midterms spelled doom for the Dems (up until 2-3 months out when the polling started to shift a bit) because the map was so bad and Republicans generally vote at MUCH higher rates during mid-terms. The Dems have historically not done well in mid-term elections and the map was awful.

When it was announced that Trump was getting a surprise nominee because of the retirement of Kennedy, everyone thought the Dem's advantage was going to be washed out because the GOP were going to be fired up because nothing gets them more fired up than the courts...and they said they were going to make the dems pay at the ballot box over the Kavanaugh hearings.

and I know for a fact the rightwing thought they still had a chance to win the House because I read their fucking main blogs every single day and their wildly biased pollsters like Rasmussen had the House pretty much as a wash going into election night.

Gene, this is literally the night before the election. Not only did many of them not expect a blowout, they actually entertained the idea of EXPANDING their House control. Trump and their polling companies had them that gassed up.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...of_america/generic_congressional_ballot_nov05

The final Rasmussen Reports Generic Congressional Ballot before Election Day shows Republicans edging ahead by one point, but in essence, the two parties are tied. The survey has a +/-2 percentage point margin of error.




The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds that 46% would choose the Republican candidate if the elections for Congress were held today. Forty-five percent (45%) would vote for the Democrat. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) remain undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
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I think you took what I was saying wrong. I meant the left was saying it was over. We talked a long time ago about paying attention to Fox and right-wing blogs. I been paying attention to shit like that for years now. It's another universe with them.

You know as well as I the Internet is full of right and left blogs and write ups with different narratives about what they expected in Nov 2018. Just like with this Mueller report. Left swears something will happen(as usual). Right swears Trump is proven innocent(as usual).
 
gene cisco said:
I think you took what I was saying wrong. I meant the left was saying it was over. We talked a long time ago about paying attention to Fox and right-wing blogs. I been paying attention to shit like that for years now. It's another universe with them.

You know as well as I the Internet is full of right and left blogs and write ups with different narratives about what they expected in Nov 2018. Just like with this Mueller report. Left swears something will happen(as usual). Right swears Trump is proven innocent(as usual).
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Yeah. I misread you. Agreed
 
Spectrum said:
People are pushing hard, but I still feel like the Dems don't have the stomach for it. I think they're going to give a bunch of tough rhetoric and then say, we need to hear from Mueller so that we get some clarity. Mueller is going to testify and he's going to give very "by the book" answers that likely not going to give them much. Then they're trying to go to the courts.

I think they're both afraid he'll come out of the shit with a WIN (like how they're trying to spin this Mueller stuff despite Mueller literally giving a lot of evidence to support obstruction) and that during this entire process, he'll just really burn it all down. I honestly think both parties are afraid of him.
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He came on the scene punking republicans and hijacked their shit. Straight Debo. Shit was like a super villain showing up and at first the crime bosses like 'fuck him'. Later, they forced to get down. Shit tense on that side. This Russia shit only thing stopped Trump from further punking them. Kasich's plan was to wait in the shadows and fly in during the chaos. Then Russia happened.

But all those Republican politicians shook and don't even like him. When he no longer needs their protection, hilarity ensues. He can punk Fox and the Republicans off something petty and the voters on the right will ride with him. He's done it before.

Dems just don't know how to handle him. No precedent for this shit. Things that normally would work just don't. Any other politician in either party would have been toast doing shit he gets away with.

Dems got a report in their hands that -- even with all the black ink -- would melt 99.9 percent of politicians on both sides of the aisle and they holding it with shaky hands. And I don't blame them. There isn't much room for error IMHO.
 
It appears the DOJ really hand Strung mueller and his team because I know they came across a ton of stuff outside of the scope of the investigation. I’m pretty sure this is why they past off so much stuff to the state of New York
 

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