Fuck yo NFL Boycott

[November 17]

IMO it's going to take MUCH more than an NFL boycott to affect that kind of legislation. Also, holding anyone as "guilty until proven innocent" in any circumstance is a dangerous precedent.

My goal is to boycott until the NFL

-Runs public service ads informing people of their rights in police encounters (similar to their domestic violence campaign)

-Allows players to use the NFL as a platform to express their personal beliefs without censure (This could be symbolized by a team signing Kapernick)

-Starts a legal fund for the victims of police shootings and their families

-Unilaterally stands up to the police and essentially says "Denying our fans protection because of the opinions of certain players is a flagrant violation of the 1st Amendment. Now get your ass to the stadium, suit up and do your fucking jobs!"

I actually agree with you on the holding anyone as "guilty until proven innocent" in any circumstance is a dangerous precedent, however the judicial system in the US tends to treat black people with the notion of "presumed guilt" as opposed to "presumed innocence."

Your ideas are good, however, there are several police officers who feel that they are "above the law," and do not value black lives. History shows you that little to no punishment will be incurred by police wrongdoings because blacks in the US are painted as the proverbial "Boogieman." In addition, this "Boogieman" theory is not lost on the judges or prosecutors either and this extends to jury selection also. Drafting specific legislation may not be the end all be all, but it will surely make the police think twice about pulling the trigger (or choking someone out).

 

[thismybgolname]

What is the END GAME for the boycott?

One of Colin Kaepernick's main concern was police brutality and the police being held accountable for their actions.
I know that you can not legislate what is in someone's heart, however, you can construct legislation to make the police aware that they will potentially suffer a severe penalty for their actions for one:

1. Questionable shoots (resulting in the death of or injury of alleged assailant) will be under immediate review, during the review the officer will be suspended without pay.

I was watching this video with Eboni K. Williams on the "Breakfast Club," and I think she is on to something. Change the legislation so the language in the statutes takes the discretion away from the judges and prosecutors in these cases (We will assume you are "Guilty until proven innocence," when it involves the shooting or killing of an unarmed individual).

I like Eboni K. even though she likes white boys.

She always corrects the folks on Fox about Colin.

IMO it's going to take MUCH more than an NFL boycott to affect that kind of legislation. Also, holding anyone as "guilty until proven innocent" in any circumstance is a dangerous precedent.

My goal is to boycott until the NFL

-Runs public service ads informing people of their rights in police encounters (similar to their domestic violence campaign)

-Allows players to use the NFL as a platform to express their personal beliefs without censure (This could be symbolized by a team signing Kapernick)

-Starts a legal fund for the victims of police shootings and their families

-Unilaterally stands up to the police and essentially says "Denying our fans protection because of the opinions of certain players is a flagrant violation of the 1st Amendment. Now get your ass to the stadium, suit up and do your fucking jobs!"

Here in lies my point.

Everyone has a different solution for what will or should end the boycott.

I've got no issues with anything that you all said even though there are two that I don't see doing anything but getting the other side to not be willing to negotiate.

1. Questionable shoots (resulting in the death of or injury of alleged assailant) will be under immediate review, during the review the officer will be suspended without pay.

-Starts a legal fund for the victims of police shootings and their families

 

[Dannyblueyes]

I actually agree with you on the holding anyone as "guilty until proven innocent" in any circumstance is a dangerous precedent, however the judicial system in the US tends to treat black people with the notion of "presumed guilt" as opposed to "presumed innocence."

Your ideas are good, however, there are several police officers who feel that they are "above the law," and do not value black lives. History shows you that little to no punishment will be incurred by police wrongdoings because blacks in the US are painted as the proverbial "Boogieman." In addition, this "Boogieman" theory is not lost on the judges or prosecutors either and this extends to jury selection also. Drafting specific legislation may not be the end all be all, but it will surely make the police think twice about pulling the trigger (or choking someone out).

That's my whole point. Giving white police officers "presumed guilt" will only make the bolded problem worse.

Instead I have different legislative ideas

-No more grand juries All police killings go directly to trial. If jury decides the killing was "The only reasonable way to prevent certain death or grave injury to the officer and/or the public" then the officer is restored. If they decide it wasn't then the officer is immediately fired and charged with 2nd degree murder.

-All criminal trials with a police officer as a defendant must be held outside of the county the officer works in. It cannot be overseen by a judge or prosecutor from the officer's precinct

-Any officer fired for sexual misconduct, racial misconduct or the use of excessive force will no longer be able to serve as a police officer anywhere in the United States

-no officer will be able to remove sexual, racial or excessive force complaints from their permanent record unless an independant investigation finds these complaints unfounded.

Again, I think this kind of legislation is far too bold and nuanced for an NFL boycott. Even if the league relented I doubt they would be powerful enough to affect this kind of change. It also won't stop cops from being racist or targeting Black people for abuse and harassment, but it's a start.

 

[respiration]

I'm not boycotting any football because I enjoy the sport not to mention there is no end game for the boycott..

What is the END GAME for the boycott?

The end game would be that we be free from being murdered by police and if it did occur, that those bad cops would receive swift and fair justice for their crimes just like the civilians whom they are tasked to serve and protect.

Boycotting the NFL, kneeling, raising a fist etc is not geared to solve the problem. It is to bring awareness. To disrupt. To make people uncomfortable. To keep these murders in the public eye, to provoke discussion, to keep discussion going. To not let America continue to treat our lives as if they don't matter.

Social movements are multi-tiered. It's not just one action that makes up protesting and demanding things.

It's a collective of actions. Boycotting the NFL and players protesting the anthem are just two means of protest. It works alongside things like pushing for legislation, filming police crimes, reporting on police wrongdoing, submitting proposals for police reform, demanding citizen elected civilian police accountability boards, demanding body cams, demanding new training in how to engage the public, demanding an end to grand juries for police. It walks alongside sit-ins, die-ins, rallies, marches, blocking streets, denying entrances to businesses, praying, shouting, raging, harassing, teaching children, including children in activism, voting, speaking out on news programs, in police board hearings, social media and homes. Sometimes protest manifests in burning shit down and destroying things. NFL protests and boycotts exist next to those who use their artistic expression through stories, scripts, raps, poetry, painting, performance art and film to protest these abominations and demand justice.

The Black Lives Matter Movement is made up of all these things and all of them are important because together they scream a collective "NO MORE".

There is no magic pill. It took 10 years of protest until the first Civil Rights Bill was created - 12 years before the Voting Rights Act was made.

There has been change implemented already. The news media doesn't cover most of it. But significant reform has happened already as a direct result of the protest that's been going on for four years. We're still in the middle of this battle. It's not nearly over yet. The end game is justice.

 

[lazarus]

The end game would be that we be free from being murdered by police and if it did occur, that those bad cops would receive swift and fair justice for their crimes just like the civilians whom they are tasked to serve and protect.

Boycotting the NFL, kneeling, raising a fist etc is not geared to solve the problem. It is to bring awareness. To disrupt. To make people uncomfortable. To keep these murders in the public eye, to provoke discussion, to keep discussion going. To not let America continue to treat our lives as if they don't matter.

Social movements are multi-tiered. It's not just one action that makes up protesting and demanding things.

It's a collective of actions. Boycotting the NFL and players protesting the anthem are just two means of protest. It works alongside things like pushing for legislation, filming police crimes, reporting on police wrongdoing, submitting proposals for police reform, demanding citizen elected civilian police accountability boards, demanding body cams, demanding new training in how to engage the public, demanding an end to grand juries for police. It walks alongside sit-ins, die-ins, rallies, marches, blocking streets, denying entrances to businesses, praying, shouting, raging, harassing, teaching children, including children in activism, voting, speaking out on news programs, in police board hearings, social media and homes. Sometimes protest manifests in burning shit down and destroying things. NFL protests and boycotts exist next to those who use their artistic expression through stories, scripts, raps, poetry, painting, performance art and film to protest these abominations and demand justice.

The Black Lives Matter Movement is made up of all these things and all of them are important because together they scream a collective "NO MORE".

There is no magic pill. It took 10 years of protest until the first Civil Rights Bill was created - 12 years before the Voting Rights Act was made.

There has been change implemented already. The news media doesn't cover most of it. But significant reform has happened already as a direct result of the protest that's been going on for four years. We're still in the middle of this battle. It's not nearly over yet. The end game is justice.

bruh, you're talking to coons making any excuse to put money into the pocket of asshole white owners. they've been trained to be bitchmade from birth and value what the white man told them. they're cowards that don't want to upset the white man.

 

[Big Tex]

All those are good causes. My analogy was that today’s black folk don’t stand up like the old generation. We pick and choose and look for reasons to keep doing dumb shit. We gotta be convinced. “NFL could call us N’s in a press conference and plenty of us would go “Man those game tickets awful cheap. I’m gonna go.”

You don’t have to boycott or feel how I

The end game would be that we be free from being murdered by police and if it did occur, that those bad cops would receive swift and fair justice for their crimes just like the civilians whom they are tasked to serve and protect.

Boycotting the NFL, kneeling, raising a fist etc is not geared to solve the problem. It is to bring awareness. To disrupt. To make people uncomfortable. To keep these murders in the public eye, to provoke discussion, to keep discussion going. To not let America continue to treat our lives as if they don't matter.

Social movements are multi-tiered. It's not just one action that makes up protesting and demanding things.

It's a collective of actions. Boycotting the NFL and players protesting the anthem are just two means of protest. It works alongside things like pushing for legislation, filming police crimes, reporting on police wrongdoing, submitting proposals for police reform, demanding citizen elected civilian police accountability boards, demanding body cams, demanding new training in how to engage the public, demanding an end to grand juries for police. It walks alongside sit-ins, die-ins, rallies, marches, blocking streets, denying entrances to businesses, praying, shouting, raging, harassing, teaching children, including children in activism, voting, speaking out on news programs, in police board hearings, social media and homes. Sometimes protest manifests in burning shit down and destroying things. NFL protests and boycotts exist next to those who use their artistic expression through stories, scripts, raps, poetry, painting, performance art and film to protest these abominations and demand justice.

The Black Lives Matter Movement is made up of all these things and all of them are important because together they scream a collective "NO MORE".

There is no magic pill. It took 10 years of protest until the first Civil Rights Bill was created - 12 years before the Voting Rights Act was made.

There has been change implemented already. The news media doesn't cover most of it. But significant reform has happened already as a direct result of the protest that's been going on for four years. We're still in the middle of this battle. It's not nearly over yet. The end game is justice.

And there lies the problem.

The original protest was about those things. Then Trump came and said “You’re disrespecting the anthem and you’d better stand’. Now it’s about the player’s right to protest. Because we let Trump change the narrative.

Re-read the first post of this thread. Is the OP talking about police brutality or corrupt police forces? Nope. He’s talking about NFL owners and the players’ right to protest. Every single time we make this about the NFL or the anthem or the right to protest, Trump wins and the corrupt police forces across this country win. Those cops wouldn’t change what they do even if you closed the entire NFL down.

Now, if we were talking about voting out mayors and sheriffs that allow these things to happen, we might actually start putting some pressure to change things.

But we’re not.

So the racist cops will sit back and laugh at us protesting the NFL over some shit the cops did while not doing anything to affect them at all.

 

[respiration]

And there lies the problem.

The original protest was about those things. Then Trump came and said “You’re disrespecting the anthem and you’d better stand’. Now it’s about the player’s right to protest. Because we let Trump change the narrative.

Re-read the first post of this thread. Is the OP talking about police brutality or corrupt police forces? Nope. He’s talking about NFL owners and the players’ right to protest. Every single time we make this about the NFL or the anthem or the right to protest, Trump wins and the corrupt police forces across this country win. Those cops wouldn’t change what they do even if you closed the entire NFL down.

Now, if we were talking about voting out mayors and sheriffs that allow these things to happen, we might actually start putting some pressure to change things.

But we’re not.

So the racist cops will sit back and laugh at us protesting the NFL over some shit the cops did while not doing anything to affect them at all.

Trump didn't change shit.

Those who protest SET the narrative. They know what this is, and when a mic is in front of their faces they speak that purpose.

It is about the right to protest what? Police murdering Black folks and getting away with it.

"WE" have not made this about the anthem. I've always assumed you were Black, Big Tex.

And the owners and this racist retard of a president are fighting that using the same trickery they have always used.

As far as you're saying this here goes:
"Those cops wouldn’t change what they do even if you closed the entire NFL down."

You have no way of knowing what would happen if the entire NFL got shut down. You never know, but I don't expect the players to go that far. However, bet the farm if they did get together and do that, it would be THE news story of the year. It would galvanize a lot of regular people to ACTION and you would probably see other sports and institutions following suit. The economic blowback of such a move across multiple corporate sponsors - ie: the money being affected - would in all probability spur all sorts of support for police reform from the unlikeliest of sources.

Why? Because powerful sustained protests such as that have historically dealt crippling blows to oppression.

 

[November 17]

The end game would be that we be free from being murdered by police and if it did occur, that those bad cops would receive swift and fair justice for their crimes just like the civilians whom they are tasked to serve and protect.

Boycotting the NFL, kneeling, raising a fist etc is not geared to solve the problem. It is to bring awareness. To disrupt. To make people uncomfortable. To keep these murders in the public eye, to provoke discussion, to keep discussion going. To not let America continue to treat our lives as if they don't matter.

Social movements are multi-tiered. It's not just one action that makes up protesting and demanding things.

It's a collective of actions. Boycotting the NFL and players protesting the anthem are just two means of protest. It works alongside things like pushing for legislation, filming police crimes, reporting on police wrongdoing, submitting proposals for police reform, demanding citizen elected civilian police accountability boards, demanding body cams, demanding new training in how to engage the public, demanding an end to grand juries for police. It walks alongside sit-ins, die-ins, rallies, marches, blocking streets, denying entrances to businesses, praying, shouting, raging, harassing, teaching children, including children in activism, voting, speaking out on news programs, in police board hearings, social media and homes. Sometimes protest manifests in burning shit down and destroying things. NFL protests and boycotts exist next to those who use their artistic expression through stories, scripts, raps, poetry, painting, performance art and film to protest these abominations and demand justice.

The Black Lives Matter Movement is made up of all these things and all of them are important because together they scream a collective "NO MORE".

There is no magic pill. It took 10 years of protest until the first Civil Rights Bill was created - 12 years before the Voting Rights Act was made.

There has been change implemented already. The news media doesn't cover most of it. But significant reform has happened already as a direct result of the protest that's been going on for four years. We're still in the middle of this battle. It's not nearly over yet. The end game is justice.

I liked your post and appreciate that you offered solutions to what Colin Kaepernick's silent protest is about.

I will tell you that in September 2016, the NYPD did away with Overtime for officers that were placed on modified duty.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nypd-c...time-for-officers-on-modified-duty-1473980107

Nevertheless, you did make me think about something that began to bother me as I thought about it. Recently, a young man named Lesandro "Junior" Guzman-Felix was murdered by alleged gang members in the Bronx, and because of that New York State Senator Luis Sepúlveda and Assemblyman Victor Pichardo announced the proposed Safe Havens for Endangered Children legislation, also called "Junior's Law," and seek to put the sentiment on the legal books.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/justic...mall-businesses-to-be-safe-havens-for-minors/

This incident took place a few months ago, and they already have proposed legislation in the works. Is there any legislation being proposed for Tamir Rice (or any other victims of police brutality)? Just something to think about.

 

[bgbtylvr]

They are feeling it now. Never eat there again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...nce-to-help-struggling-franchisees-1533947532

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

I'm pretty much over it

 

[bgbtylvr]

The asshole tweets against Harley Davidson. Stocks slid today.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...fe5e5a-9e78-11e8-a3dd-2a1991f075d5_story.html

 

[Big Tex]

Trump didn't change shit.

Those who protest SET the narrative. They know what this is, and when a mic is in front of their faces they speak that purpose.

It is about the right to protest what? Police murdering Black folks and getting away with it.

"WE" have not made this about the anthem. I've always assumed you were Black, Big Tex.

And the owners and this racist retard of a president are fighting that using the same trickery they have always used.

As far as you're saying this here goes:
"Those cops wouldn’t change what they do even if you closed the entire NFL down."

You have no way of knowing what would happen if the entire NFL got shut down. You never know, but I don't expect the players to go that far. However, bet the farm if they did get together and do that, it would be THE news story of the year. It would galvanize a lot of regular people to ACTION and you would probably see other sports and institutions following suit. The economic blowback of such a move across multiple corporate sponsors - ie: the money being affected - would in all probability spur all sorts of support for police reform from the unlikeliest of sources.

Why? Because powerful sustained protests such as that have historically dealt crippling blows to oppression.

If the narrative hasn’t been changed, then why are the NFL and the NFL owners and the flag and the anthem mentioned 10-20 times more often than the police?

You miss my point completely. Man, if you want to protest, protest. If you want to boycott, boycott. Just know that until you start putting pressure on local police departments, not shit will change. And these things are not mutially exclusive. You can protest, boycott, and apply political pressure at the same time.

When the civil rights movement wanted to change the practice of forcing black people to the back of the bus, they boycotted the bus companies. They did not boycott going to the movies thinking it would change the minds of the bus companies. And they did boycott the local cinemas because of the bus company fuckery and caused the local cinemas to start losing money, how many fucks do you think the bus companies would give for people shutting down other companies for some shit they were doing? Zero.

Now, all I am saying is, if you want to boycott the local cinema to bring awareness, great. Just don’t expect to change the bus company until you actually boycott them in particular.

 

[respiration]

If the narrative hasn’t been changed, then why are the NFL and the NFL owners and the flag and the anthem mentioned 10-20 times more often than the police?

You already know why the flag and anthem are mentioned much as it is. It's for the same reason major protest movements and actions by Black Lives Matter as well as major protests against Trump's wicked policies are given minimal coverage. The oppressed are not the ones in charge. It's always been that way. Consciousness raising is NOT what the status quo wants.

That doesn't mean that people should just go home and give up. Fact is, this is getting visibility. The last word has not hardly been spoken in all of this.

As well, increasingly more and more commentators are addressing the exact issue the athletes are protesting.

You miss my point completely. Man, if you want to protest, protest. If you want to boycott, boycott. Just know that until you start putting pressure on local police departments, not shit will change. And these things are not mutially exclusive. You can protest, boycott, and apply political pressure at the same time.

When the civil rights movement wanted to change the practice of forcing black people to the back of the bus, they boycotted the bus companies. They did not boycott going to the movies thinking it would change the minds of the bus companies. And they did boycott the local cinemas because of the bus company fuckery and caused the local cinemas to start losing money, how many fucks do you think the bus companies would give for people shutting down other companies for some shit they were doing? Zero.

Now, all I am saying is, if you want to boycott the local cinema to bring awareness, great. Just don’t expect to change the bus company until you actually boycott them in particular.

You are missing my point entirely and apparently Colin Kaepernick's and those who agreed with what he was doing. He didn't expect to single-handedly eradicate police murders of unarmed Black people by protesting. When Colin knelt and other athletes have knelt, raised a fist, sat down or stayed in the locker room it was/is a visible act of protest designed to use their international visibility as celebrities to bring awareness to the issue.

Boycotting, a separate action on the part of the fans, is an act of displeasure at the league blacklisting Kap and at the owners attempting to silence those who want to protest this police misconduct. Muhfuckas are waking up to the fuckery and don't like how it smells and refuse to take part in it. No one is thinking this single action is going to end police corruption. Where are you getting that from?

People have already been doing the things you said - ie applying political pressure, putting pressure on local police departments. No disrespect intended, but if you had been out there involved in the movement, you'd know this already. What you see going on in the NFL is an outgrowth and an expression linked to the Black Lives Matter movement. It is comparable to the raising of Black gloved fists by Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the 1968 Olympics and it's relation to the Civil Rights and Black Power movements.