0fficial 2017-2018 NBA Postseason Thread....NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors 0-4(dubs back 2 back champs)
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Jordan only averages 2 more points and put up way more bricks.
Difference is, he scored enough to win and stay out of Game 7 in the Finals once he reached the mountain top, and could hit his free throws.
Lebron gonna quit once again tonight?
Excuses? Im just having a discussion and trying to follow your logic brother. And quite honestly, im having a hard time.
When and if he loses this series or the next, plays 20 seasons straight, never gets another Finals MVP, League MVP, scoring title, or never leads the league in any other statististical category for a season, what are you going to say?
Talk about them triple doubles for life?
84-90, 95, 01-03, he stayed out of the Finals completely. And watched from home like how he'll watch Bron play tonite. No one will ever get to watch MJ play again.
Im honestly not sure he can change his legacy from this point regardless of what happens going forward. Hes a top 3 guy ever either way. MVPs have been devalued and contradicted with Steph getting unanimous, Russ winning one with 40 games, and then not winning one the next year doing the same 40 wins and triple double. Oh, and Harden getting one the year he adds a player better than him on his team.
You counting the Wizard years? Lol. Return at end of regular season in 95?
How old was Jordan? He retired 3 times.
Steph and Harden lead the league in a major statistical category, and team had the #1 seeds.
Russ averaged a triple double at 6'4, led the league in scoring, a major statistical category.
I do agree, Lebron is definitely a top 3 or top 4 player all time, if he retires tomorrow. If he wins another Finals MVP, I got him cemented at #3 for sure, still not sure if I put him over Magic with another Finals loss.
Nothing he can do to catch MJ and Kareem.
Go to another team and win a chip while maintaining this level of play.
Harden isnt the most important player on his team. Let alone league MVP. Steph getting a unanimous vote was laughable. Russ won more games this year and averaged the same triple double but somehow didnt win. The award has been sullied my man ans if you say Bron didnt deserve it atleast once in the last 4 seasons then you're a hater and/or fool.
Also, cant discredit Bron triple doubles but celebrate when Russ does it. And if you gonna highlight Steph getting a #1 seed then celebrate Bron doing it his first year back to Cleveland when he rescued Kyrie from lottery scum and turned Miami back into a pumpkin.
And again Bron is top 3 regardless. You can debate where he falls on that list.
I actually think he will be better served staying and trying to win there. If he wins where he is i think he has a better shot at moving up the list than winning elsewhere.. Winning in a shithole like Cleveland is weighted heavier than winning elsewhere imo.
Ok fine. Subtract all his #'s from those years hes barely a top 10 scorer and has even more pedestrian numbers.
Jordan didnt retire 3 times. He quit twice, retired once. Jordan on the Wizards was younger than Duncan and Kareem when they won their last rings. He was just washed up, age had little to do with it.
He had 10 scoring titles and not a top 10 scorer? Lol
Scoring titles are worthless. All them titles and aint nowhere close to the all time scoring champ and still bout to get knocked out of the top 5 by a guy who has 1.
Whats funny is Karl Malone came in the league after MJ and came closer to catching Kareem than him. MJs career and greatness were too short lived.
All I ask Lebron to do is be the GOAT at one particular skill, before you can be the GOAT of all time.
Jordan, Kareem, and Magic were the greatest at a particular skill, all have winning Finals records, at least 5 rings, and Finals MVPs.
Lebron is right there though, he has time to improve his Finals record and lead the league in a category again.
Scoring titles are worthless. All them titles and aint nowhere close to the all time scoring champ and still bout to get knocked out of the top 5 by a guy who has 1.
You must be on dope or dog food. That's like saying Emmitt Smith is a better running back than Jim Brown and Barry because they only played 10 seasons, and Emmitt is the all time leading rusher.
Kareem is widely recognized as the greatest scorer of all time, trailed by Malone. Not a question of whos better, but who produced the most. 4 other players in NBA history (soon to be 6) scored more buckets than MJ. And if you want to play the "less games" game, Wilt outscored all them dudes in 800 games.
Jordan has the highest all time career scoring average, regular season and playoff, and that is including the bullshit Wizard seasons.
Do you know what the fuck highest "average" means?
I thought everybody knew this shit.
Solid point.
Gotcha. What particular skill are you saying MJ and Kareem are the greatest at tho?
Unfortunately "averages" dont determine all time leaders. Totals do. You know what "totals" mean? MJs totals are pedestrian. Hence the emphasis on averages. He averaged over 40 a game against the Celtics in 86 but got swept in 3 games and wasnt considered the playoffs leading scorer, Bird was. His totals shitted on MJs.
Jordan, best 2 way player, closer, most clutch, and best scorer of all time.
Kareem, best go-to move of all time.
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Unfortunately "averages" dont determine all time leaders. Totals do. You know what "totals" mean? MJs totals are pedestrian. Hence the emphasis on averages. He averaged over 40 a game against the Celtics in 86 but got swept in 3 games and wasnt considered the playoffs leading scorer, Bird was. His totals shitted on MJs.
Jordan is the GOAT or the best, all time leader sometimes is like the dude on a job with 60 years of service, but never made it to management.
Depends on how he accumulated or how long it took to accumulate those numbers.
Karl Malone in your top 3 all time? He has great all time numbers.
Kareem is the best scorer of all time.
And you are compounding skills with saying two way player
Kareem is the most productive scorer over career, not the best scorer.
If a man works 16 hours on a job, he should produce more than an 8 hour worker, does not mean he is the best employee. His rate or average per hour is his true production.
Either way you see it, Lebron ain't the best at shit.
Cool. Then Lebron is best all around player of all time... Since we "creating" non statistical categories and such. Thanks.
No. When you are willing to accept being a role player towards the end of your career your avg will dip down. #facts.
Jordan who had rip hamilton traded from wizards cuz he could not stand playing alongside someone better than him reflects how much he wanted to be "the man"
I would say he could be the most athletic player of all time, that is not a skill.
All around is bullshit, Russ and Oscar averaged a triple double for a season, Lebron don't lead in that shit either, never done that shit before. Not great on defense, no go-to moves, poor ft shooter, etc. Never lead the league in any category, just above average in a few categories.
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@best 2 way player all time. You Jordan stans get more and more delusional as time passes.
Cavs need to keep the turnovers low,go to the paint like in game 6,rebound the ball effectively,make their shots;especially their three point shots,play good defense.
Hill,Green,JR,Tristan and Korver need to help LeBron;especially,Hill,Green and Tristan.
They need to give the ball to Hill at the beginning so,he won't drift off. For,whatever reason,when he's not getting the ball and making shots,he'll disappear for the rest of the game....
Hill,Green,JR,Tristan and Korver need to help LeBron;especially,Hill,Green and Tristan.
They need to give the ball to Hill at the beginning so,he won't drift off. For,whatever reason,when he's not getting the ball and making shots,he'll disappear for the rest of the game....
Nope, maybe, and nope.
Lebron is smart, but makes hella bad decisions in games, turnover prone, afraid to take last shots in past, etc..I can go on an on with this shit. Quits too much, and not always mentally strong.
Great finisher, good with and ones, could be #1
All around, nah, I already explained this.
Right id put bill Russell who never shot over 50% and never avg over 20......over jordan off of defensive superiority alone.
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