Oh boy Killer Mike is on Real Time

Why do you keep saying "we" and "Mike" and internalizing this shit while finger pointing at blacks? You're misguided and making this far more convoluted than it should be. 3rd party voters didnt cost Hill the election. WHITE PEOPLE did. White people including Hill who admits that she should have took her ass to those states she flew over. And this notion that we some how can no longer criticize Hill or point out her flaws because Trump turned out to be a colossal piece of shit is fucking idiotic. Trumps deviance doesnt negate Hills imperfections. And if Mike wants to bring up those flaws when asked about his decision to vote 3rd party then thats his God given right to do so.

Further, you're issues with his NRA commentary are just that, YOUR issue. I watched the clip posted here, and i wasnt nearly as offended by what he said as some of you seem to be. You guys act as if he got on the platform and spoke against black interest or rights. He did not.

You people having more vitriol for Mike and his ilk than you have for the cacs that put Trump in office are fucking ridiculous.

Again, if every registered black voter went for Hill she would still be watching her grandkids today. Black people did their part. And the handful that went 3rd party are inconsequential.

Arguing against a 3rd party platform is counterproductive and a diversion from the real issue at hand.

Why do you think I'm talking about black voters when the discussion is about dem voters in general? You keep arguing a point I haven't made.

You keep mentioning black voters as though all or even the majority of Bernie supporters were black. They weren't.
 
I didn't vote for Hillary. I didn't vote for anyone at the top of the ticket in 2016. I was disillusioned with the process and the dem's fuckery. I have always had serious issues with Hillary as a candidate. She never had my support in 2008 and I think she made serious missteps as Sec of State. All that said, she would have been better than Trump on many levels. Do I regret my decision now? Some days. Fact of the matter is, I live in a state that was going red no matter what, so it didn't really matter. But I think about it. I understand the perspective that Trump's fuckery is forcing many people off the sidelines who wouldn't have been moved that way by a continuation of status quo under Hillary. I've voiced that sentiment myself on occasion. A lot of harmful policies and mentalities are being allowed to thrive under Trump. That's not lost on me. For myself, I think I saw Trump's Presidency as an inevitability on some levels. He's exactly what our society produces. Seeing that in the spotlight and under a microscope is, on some levels, good for us. This to me, is not some type of 'woke' perspective though. More like some 'make me wanna holler, throw up both my hands' type shit. I have no love for Trump, his supporters, the GOP, the NRA or any delusional niggas who feel supporting any of those is a path forward. But....on some level....I passively participated in Trump coming to power. The fact that my name can in any way be associated with that bothers me, so for that I have some level of regret. I'm sorry, y'all.
 
Why do you think I'm talking about black voters when the discussion is about dem voters in general? You keep arguing a point I haven't made.

You keep mentioning black voters as though all or even the majority of Bernie supporters were black. They weren't.
IIRC, your very first comment was directed specifically at Mike and his Bernie support and Hill criticism. I responded accordingly sister. Also, my point about 3rd part and Bernie supporters is the real issue doesnt lie with either. I believe an attack on the 3rd party platform is a distraction from the real issue at hand... Racist white people (ie, most white people).
 
I didn't vote for Hillary. I didn't vote for anyone at the top of the ticket in 2016. I was disillusioned with the process and the dem's fuckery. I have always had serious issues with Hillary as a candidate. She never had my support in 2008 and I think she made serious missteps as Sec of State. All that said, she would have been better than Trump on many levels. Do I regret my decision now? Some days. Fact of the matter is, I live in a state that was going red no matter what, so it didn't really matter. But I think about it. I understand the perspective that Trump's fuckery is forcing many people off the sidelines who wouldn't have been moved that way by a continuation of status quo under Hillary. I've voiced that sentiment myself on occasion. A lot of harmful policies and mentalities are being allowed to thrive under Trump. That's not lost on me. For myself, I think I saw Trump's Presidency as an inevitability on some levels. He's exactly what our society produces. Seeing that in the spotlight and under a microscope is, on some levels, good for us. This to me, is not some type of 'woke' perspective though. More like some 'make me wanna holler, throw up both my hands' type shit. I have no love for Trump, his supporters, the GOP, the NRA or any delusional niggas who feel supporting any of those is a path forward. But....on some level....I passively participated in Trump coming to power. The fact that my name can in any way be associated with that bothers me, so for that I have some level of regret. I'm sorry, y'all.

I appreciate this. The important thing is you learned your lesson. Far too many haven't. So in that respect, don't even consider my comments directed at you. You've made your course correction.

If Hillary had been up against a normal republican, we would have been ok. We would still have folks like Ryan trying to privatize social security and take away health care, but it wouldn't be this circus we have now. We aren't being assaulted on one or two major fronts we can organize against. Every day there are 20 million things popping off to the point no one can grasp all of it, let alone organize a defense to fight back. It's intentional chaos. At this point we need dems back in power just to get some breathing room, because the GOP is complicit.

There are a lot of who assumed dems had the numbers to win it. It wasn't just the third party voters, there was an active ongoing voter suppression machine working against us. Black folk voted for Hillary in higher numbers than everyone else, but turnout fell. The Russian interference. Bernie not calling for unity and threatening to contest the primary. Hillary's mistakes. A perfect storm.

My issue is the third party voters who kept saying things couldn't be worse under Trump, and refuse to acknowledge, especially after this first year, that well yeah maybe the party in office DOES matter and yeah things can get worse. My issue is the black folks telling other black folks voting doesn't matter and that we shouldn't participate "because racism", as though there aren't degrees to the fuckery we are exposed to. Trump's racism from the 70's, to the central park 5 and beyond was well established. Keeping a known racist, who was riling up other racists, out of office should have been motivation enough for black folks. And the white liberals were more interested in making a point, and they have that luxury because none of the racial stuff affects them. They are set to do it again during the midterms.

Everyone knew Trump was only going to have like minded folks surrounding him. He sets the tone, and the tone he has set is its ok to be dismissive and demeaning to everyone. Even general Kelly has lied and made racially charged comments when Lt. Johnson was killed, and he is supposed to be the adult.

We have Betsy DeVos screwing our educational system. Pruitt jacking up the EPA. And Ben Carson telling poor folks their rent is too low while he spends more than they make in a year for a dining room table. We can survive one bad pick, what do you do when every single dept is headed by someone who wants to destroy it? Judges to lifetime appointments who have never tried a case? Who don't know bbasic rules of law? Only embarrassment got them withdrawn.

I will keep making the point tho, because too many still don't realize the danger we are in. They are still focused on teaching dems a lesson, rather than taking back power. Trump and Israel want a war with Iran. We are pushing away our allies and embracing countries who have wanted to see the downfall of the USA since forever. Trump is holding the door open for them.
 
IIRC, your very first comment was directed specifically at Mike and his Bernie support and Hill criticism. I responded accordingly sister. Also, my point about 3rd part and Bernie supporters is the real issue doesnt lie with either. I believe an attack on the 3rd party platform is a distraction from the real issue at hand... Racist white people (ie, most white people).

You are correct. I made a comment about MIKE, not black voters in general. Mike is the one on the show and Mike was the one who made the comments I referenced.

It's not a distraction. Many of the "racist white people" were Bernie supporters. Attacking John Lewis. Harassing black folk on social media.

We knew what the GOP was going to do. It's their job to attack Hillary. Mike and other Bernie supporters were going after Hillary after the primary like they too belonged to the GOP. Don't tell me it didn't have an effect, we still have folks parroting their talking points. We had folk on this board telling black folks not to vote or only vote local. Bernie votes with the dems, but he is not a dem. He is not invested in the party, but wants to dictate how to run it. If he wants a voice he needs to switch parties.
 
I can understand that but also we're giving him too much credit
Killer Mike has no power.
He's just a dude who excused a white dude saying nigga by asking if we bank black
Yeah I ain't even talking about Mike

I really mean the obfuscation niggas.

We are pursuing an outcome. Anything that complicates the obtainment of it is frankly, treasonous in my opinion.

And I ain't talking about to the republic.
 
Yeah I ain't even talking about Mike

I really mean the obfuscation niggas.

We are pursuing an outcome. Anything that complicates the obtainment of it is frankly, treasonous in my opinion.

And I ain't talking about to the republic.

There is no republic for us we need to build our own ultimately I agree with your stance my stance is just not to give these cats the energy and grind towards making shit happen because they look to try and exhaust us from the plan
does not mean we don't check them we do. Just means the designated checker's do their thing and the rest of those not designated to check do ours. everybody part is integral
 
You should give a fuck if you black or not
Because black people spoke at the polls and voted for Hillary those are the facts

So when you aim your hate aim it specifically at white people
Why are you talking about Black folks when I’m talking about Bernie Bots? What is your point? My point is Bernie Stans and Cac women gave us Trump
 
There is no republic for us we need to build our own ultimately I agree with your stance my stance is just not to give these cats the energy and grind towards making shit happen because they look to try and exhaust us from the plan
does not mean we don't check them we do. Just means the designated checker's do their thing and the rest of those not designated to check do ours. everybody part is integral
Its so funny man I was thinking something very close to this earlier

Like our nation within a nation should have branches. One should be responsible for pursuing legislation, another for the legal angles, a media watchdog group, and a mutha.fuckin.coon squad.

Because they are essentially agents whose propaganda and actions cock up the mission. It shouldn't take away from the main thing, but they're definitely a problem.
 
I have a question...


Had Hillary won do you think all the districts that are flipping nationwide would have flipped with her in the WH ?

Do you think the Democrats would still have had a chance of retaking congress ?

Without the extreme fuck up in office that has been enabling crakkas to come out the cloder would the pressure be on them ?

Or would it be status quo ?

You asking the wrong questions bro. If Hillary had won, do you think Obamacare would still be running strung? Would all of the Justice Department gains to fight the illegal targeting of blacks be gone? Would it be a feeling of open season on black folks and the unapologetic weponizing of white tears?

As the President, she could have vetoed all of the dumb shit the Repubs put forth. Now it's open season. Let alone the Paris and Iran agreements.

Sometimes the strategy is to make gains. Sometimes it's to hold everything in place.

When folks talk that third party and not voting shit, what they are really saying is that fuck any gains that occurred over the last 8 years. And that's just dumb no matter how you feel about Hillary.
 
Its so funny man I was thinking something very close to this earlier

Like our nation within a nation should have branches. One should be responsible for pursuing legislation, another for the legal angles, a media watchdog group, and a mutha.fuckin.coon squad.

Because they are essentially agents whose propaganda and actions cock up the mission. It shouldn't take away from the main thing, but they're definitely a problem.

Huge problem you end up using the energy to combat their deliberate ignorance
 
You asking the wrong questions bro. If Hillary had won, do you think Obamacare would still be running strung? Would all of the Justice Department gains to fight the illegal targeting of blacks be gone? Would it be a feeling of open season on black folks and the unapologetic weponizing of white tears?

As the President, she could have vetoed all of the dumb shit the Repubs put forth. Now it's open season. Let alone the Paris and Iran agreements.

Sometimes the strategy is to make gains. Sometimes it's to hold everything in place.

When folks talk that third party and not voting shit, what they are really saying is that fuck any gains that occurred over the last 8 years. And that's just dumb no matter how you feel about Hillary.

Not to mention the way the entire federal judiciary system is not so quietly being made over with young, right-wing judicial appointees. We’re talking lifetime appointees there. That’s something that’s going to have a far-reaching impact long after Trump leaves office whenever that may be.
 
https://www.bgol.us/forum/threads/w...ected-trump-stop-blaming-black-voters.973777/



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But,hey fuck the facts....... Our so called allies even voted for Chump but everyone is wants to point the fingers at black people.
 
Anyone who could not see the danger that Trump posed is suspect imo. It was clear he was unstable and double minded from the start. It was clear he knew nothing about government. It was clear he would not be making policy decisons and we knew far enough in advance that the people surrounding him were white supremacists and anti government, and he would be under their influence. We knew there was a vacant SCOTUS seat. We knew the GOP blocked all Obama's federal judge appointments so they can appoint folks. We knew he had signaled they would do away with the consent decrees set up with police departments if they could. We heard all the Chicago, law and order, anti-BLM dog whistles and bull horns. We saw white supremacy groups endorse him. We saw him show his ass time and time again. He gave no concrete plans. His lies changed daily. This is just a portion of what we knew well before election day. Yet and still people did not do everything legally in their power to stop this man and will not say their vote was a mistake or even say they would do it differently if they had a second chance. This is mind blowing to me.

If Hillary had lost and her supporters refused to support Bernie, I'd be talking shit about them. They thought we had the numbers to win anyway, and thought their lil protest vote didn't matter. I had warned before that the GOP cheats and the election was not in the bag. Just like the upcoming midterms, those aren't a given. Yet we still have folks around here complaining about dems not being exciting enough for them. Newsflash: maturity isn't exciting. In government, we don't want excitement, we want stability and competence. Trump can be considered exciting, and we are losing ground globally every day. I like charisma as much as the next person, but the folks who are good and knowledgeable are often going to be the awkward studious person, not the peacock.

/thread
 
You asking the wrong questions bro. If Hillary had won, do you think Obamacare would still be running strung? Would all of the Justice Department gains to fight the illegal targeting of blacks be gone? Would it be a feeling of open season on black folks and the unapologetic weponizing of white tears?

As the President, she could have vetoed all of the dumb shit the Repubs put forth. Now it's open season. Let alone the Paris and Iran agreements.

Sometimes the strategy is to make gains. Sometimes it's to hold everything in place.

When folks talk that third party and not voting shit, what they are really saying is that fuck any gains that occurred over the last 8 years. And that's just dumb no matter how you feel about Hillary.

I get what you are trying to say but I don't see the gains you spoke of that benefited us...and the question is will there be an actual change going forward because Trump is such a fuckup not just here by around the world. We will see come 2018 elections.

If Hillary had won, do you think Obamacare would still be running strung? Obamacare isn't gone and signups for 2018 were still strong. But without all the anger caused by Trump congress is still strongly Republican and wouldn't allow needed fixes to the ACA so it would still be a campaign issue

Would all of the Justice Department gains to fight the illegal targeting of blacks be gone? What gains? There was a policy change that allowed judges discrepancy to sentence not using minimum sentencing.

Would it be a feeling of open season on black folks and the unapologetic weponizing of white tears? Is it a feeling or is it fact? There has never been a time that I haven't felt that we were under open season. Black Lives Matter and other groups didn't spring up in 2017...There may be more memes and more focus but not more incidents....some just think this just started happening

As the President, she could have vetoed all of the dumb shit the Repubs put forth. Now it's open season. Let alone the Paris and Iran agreements. Paris was a non-binding let's try to do better agreement. Iran is a fucked up decision done for Israel. I will not forget that the democratic candidate who tried to say they ran as Obama 20 told Netanyahu they would be a better friend to Israel That didn't sound like they would old Israel to restraint. So this one is a maybe

Sometimes the strategy is to make gains. Sometimes it's to hold everything in place. What gains did black people see?

When folks talk that third party and not voting shit, what they are really saying is that fuck any gains that occurred over the last 8 years. And that's just dumb no matter how you feel about Hillar

Most people didn't say don't vote and that is a lie that keeps getting passed around. Focusing on state and local, and Congress isn't not voting. Building political stregnth and stopping of giving votes without demanding anything is dumb..There is a reason that black folks got nothing while focus remained on fags and immigration but because of fear many are still saying just continue what had been done for decades

I think riding the status quo and keep hoping that somebody someday might do something beneficial to black people in this country is dumb no matter how scared you are.
 
Not to mention the way the entire federal judiciary system is not so quietly being made over with young, right-wing judicial appointees. We’re talking lifetime appointees there. That’s something that’s going to have a far-reaching impact long after Trump leaves office whenever that may be.

And yet you fail to see that Harry Reid could have changed the Senate rules so that only a simple majority would be required.. Because Reid wouldn't do anything to strengthen Obamas hand his nominations were held up

and as soon as the GOP gets the white house they changed the rules to make it easier for their president. the irony of being weak

You fail to mention that Democrats folded and allowed Trump's nominee to get confirmed while the GOP stopped Obama's appointments from even getting a vote and they also held up 100 judges that are more being confirmed with no noise from Democrats.

And even after all that the arguments still focus on President and not Congress. A democratic congress could have controlled the types of nominations that get made. what laws get voted on and what gets passed.
 
And yet you fail to see that Harry Reid could have changed the Senate rules so that only a simple majority would be required.. Because Reid wouldn't do anything to strengthen Obamas hand his nominations were held up

and as soon as the GOP gets the white house they changed the rules to make it easier for their president. the irony of being weak

You fail to mention that Democrats folded and allowed Trump's nominee to get confirmed while the GOP stopped Obama's appointments from even getting a vote and they also held up 100 judges that are more being confirmed with no noise from Democrats.

And even after all that the arguments still focus on President and not Congress. A democratic congress could have controlled the types of nominations that get made. what laws get voted on and what gets passed.

I didn't fail to see anything. I have just as big a problem with apathy during the mid-terms too.
 
A lot of harmful policies and mentalities are being allowed to thrive under Trump. That's not lost on me. For myself, I think I saw Trump's Presidency as an inevitability on some levels. He's exactly what our society produces. Seeing that in the spotlight and under a microscope is, on some levels, good for us.
wisdom when u can admit it ! but most are still in denial
 
I get what you are trying to say but I don't see the gains you spoke of that benefited us.

And that's the rub. If you don't see it, then in your eyes there is nothing to protect.

Unfortunately for those that think like you, nothing is a gain, and nothing is worth protecting.

But yet most of your ilk will talk about the uneven distribution of wealth. Not understanding that this new tax code ill effects will be felt for MANY years to come.

Yet, it would have NEVER passed under Clinton. But whatever man. Its not always what benefits us but protecting us from what we know HARMS us.

But whatever. Such is life.
 
And that's the rub. If you don't see it, then in your eyes there is nothing to protect.

Unfortunately for those that think like you, nothing is a gain, and nothing is worth protecting.

But yet most of your ilk will talk about the uneven distribution of wealth. Not understanding that this new tax code ill effects will be felt for MANY years to come.

Yet, it would have NEVER passed under Clinton. But whatever man. Its not always what benefits us but protecting us from what we know HARMS us.

But whatever. Such is life.


5 paragraphs not one gain listed

Thanks for playing..

We are still suffering the effects of yhe crime bill passed by her husband and touted by her...so miss me with what she would or wouldn't do

Yeah tax bill is bad but so was predatory lending but what relief did we get ?

But with your ilk you always avoid the ignoring of black folks but trying to belong. .I bet you also fell for that president of all Americans too but fail to understand we are stI'll not seen as humans much less anericans
 
No man it's stupid because it's stupid

What's my narrative scout? You don't even fucking know my position. That's just a standard thing you empty headed bastards say because you do not seek discourse, you do not seek to understand nuance, you are the one pushing a narrative.

It's a cac tactic, accusing the "other side" of what you are doing as a means of obfuscation. It's dumb ass niggas like you that function as fucking stumbling blocks. You wanna be smart so fucking bad you lose sight of the entire point of what's going on out here. You're not helping, you're fucking shit up. But knowing your lying/trolling history on this board, I gotta just look over you.

What's my narrative though? Receipts please.
I have said this 1000 times. Coons and the like do way more than damage than the help they think they are facilitating by affiliating themselves with cacs, defending their positions, or diluting our triumphs. Even dumb cacs know to stay on message and pull in the same direction even if they disagree with the overall premise.
 
specifically- this is how slim the margin was-

If 70% of black registered voters in Miami turned out - following the historical percentage of votes shared to gop dem and 3rd party -Trump wouldn't be president.

or Milwaukee, or Detroit or Philadelphia...

libertarian or green votes to Dem in any one of those cities - would have killed Trump, higher black turnout there would have killed Trump
a lower white turnout in Pittsburgh would have killed Trump


That being said -the real villain is white women, most of those pink toed hypocrites now talking about times up and metoo - wearing feminists t shirts and buttons overwhelmingly voted for Trump
This...
 
I agree. White women really are to blame. However...

The difference is, white women will be just fine under a Trump presidency. So their voting their conscience.

The Justice Department is actively looking to put more Black people in jail and to undo civi rights legislation, so we were (or should have been) voting for survival. We had WAY more at stake in that election.
This. We literally gave racist permission to destroy us and our offspring because of sheer stupidity.
 
You're late and wrong. No one is blaming black folk.

I've been saying this shit since Chump got in office......Yall blame black people but ignore 29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for him and other 37% from non-black groups voted for him. These are supposed to be our allies yet they still voted for him and the irony of this is that these so called allies are crying about getting deported..... I serves them right,instead of trying to a pseudo white-card and doing everything to punish black people,it back fired on them.

Before,you or anyone blame one black person point the finger at white women and these so called allies that voted for him.





Charles Blow got a message for the Hiliary titty suckers that wants to point the fingers at black people.

Black people are 14% of the population but folks want to put all the blame on us.....:smh:
 
I've been saying this shit since Chump got in office......Yall blame black people but ignore 29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for him and other 37% from non-black groups voted for him. These are supposed to be our allies yet they still voted for him and the irony of this is that these so called allies are crying about getting deported..... I serves them right,instead of trying to a pseudo white-card and doing everything to punish black people,it back fired on them.

Before,you or anyone blame one black person point the finger at white women and these so called allies that voted for him.





Charles Blow got a message for the Hiliary titty suckers that wants to point the fingers at black people.

Black people are 14% of the population but folks want to put all the blame on us.....:smh:



No one is blaming black folks.
 
Hillary lost by vote fuckery aka gerrymandering. She won the popular vote by about 3 mill or so. She lost the legit election because not enough people wanted her in office.
That's it. Period. Its the past. Its done. Its pointless to keep debating over it.
Part of the problem is that liberals in the U.S. have a hive mentality about political correctness and identity politics that continuously fucks them. Women wanted a woman in the White House and decided it would be Hillary. Not enough people agreed and there was gerrymandering of territories, so she lost. I personally have no problems with a woman President and would vote for one, but not Hillary and definitely not Oprah.
Its my vote. Fuck you if you don't like it. Believing in the political system is what's got modern day black folks so fucked up. We used to know that the system was rigged against us, so the answer to "who's the President" was "who the fuck cares" but now the media has conditioned niggas into believing that they are included (only when needed for agenda purposes, of course) and now niggas care all of a sudden. Your local government is far more important regarding how your life is affected than who sits in the WH. Barring a natural disaster or something, the real shit happens on the local level. Vote in liberal mayors, city council people and legislators.

And to the identity politic supporters, if you want a woman in office in 2020, try running one that is not disliked by the other half of your voter base.
Hillary won't ever win. Oprah won't win, either. Pick a woman who knows something about politics and is not so thoroughly disliked.
If one thing can be said about the republicans, its that they know how to live with their decisions. They don't bother brow-beating each other and trying to guilt trip them for their decisions. They proceed with undermining the other team's candidate. Winning tactics may not be nice or cool but they are effective.
 
Here's a thought:
Maybe we'd have a democrat in office if half of the democratic vote base wasn't so dead-set on Hillary as the candidate.
Ever think about it that way? Obviously, she wasn't the right person to get the win.
But noooo....that can't be it, can it?
 
5 paragraphs not one gain listed

Thanks for playing..

We are still suffering the effects of yhe crime bill passed by her husband and touted by her...so miss me with what she would or wouldn't do

Yeah tax bill is bad but so was predatory lending but what relief did we get ?

But with your ilk you always avoid the ignoring of black folks but trying to belong. .I bet you also fell for that president of all Americans too but fail to understand we are stI'll not seen as humans much less anericans

And you probably think you have the freedom to post on BGOL due to the revolutionary Revolt against CACs of 1997, right?

I know that political gains are boring and not as exciting as romancing some all out Black Jedi war, but you do realize you are standing on the shoulder a of your forefathers who did what they had to lobbying, marching, protesting and voting right?
 
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