Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......

[DJCandle]

you finnin’ to get your ass kicked

"I hear that mark..."

REALLY?!

Strong opinion.

I thought MBJ was solid in his role from the moment in the museum to the end. His character had the best lines in the movie to me.

His character yes, was on point with Coogler and Marvel behind him, but it's just him as an actor that fell short for me. He doesn't sell roles imo. He feels forced rather than a natural talent. Only memorable spot he had was from Fruitvale and that was average. Outside that, what notables had he been in? Apparently he was in a Fantastic Four and stunk that up as well.

While I was watching it, I couldn't help but think that Daniel Kaluuya should've gotten Killmongers role and Chiwetel should've gotten W'Kabi's role.

That would've made it for me but it is what it is. Didn't take away from the storyline at all.

Kudos to Jordan for the come up but I just can't get down with his acting ability.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Ummm....

are we all gonna just gloss over the fact that Killmonger

BURNED ALL L THE HEART SHAPED ROOT?

all the ones in bloom. if you dont kill the roots...they comin back.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Ummm....

are we all gonna just gloss over the fact that Killmonger

BURNED ALL L THE HEART SHAPED ROOT?

Yeah, that was type foul.

But the heart-shaped herb was infused with Vibranium.
Pretty sure Shuri can "use her Monsanto skills".... and genetically-modify some more, in the future.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

"I hear that mark..."



His character yes, was on point with Coogler and Marvel behind him, but it's just him as an actor that fell short for me. He doesn't sell roles imo. He feels forced rather than a natural talent. Only memorable spot he had was from Fruitvale and that was average. Outside that, what notables had he been in? Apparently he was in a Fantastic Four and stunk that up as well.

While I was watching it, I couldn't help but think that Daniel Kaluuya should've gotten Killmongers role and Chiwetel should've gotten W'Kabi's role.

That would've made it for me but it is what it is. Didn't take away from the storyline at all.

Kudos to Jordan for the come up but I just can't get down with his acting ability.

you are in the tiniest of minorities on this one bruh.

Jordans acting in this was pitch perfect.

 

[Darth Furious]

Just came back from seeing it.. haven't seen a lick of this thread, so idk if I'm the first one to say it, but Michael B. Jordan sucked in this. His acting chops are subpar at best. He shouldn't be allowed past made for TV movies on Hallmark channel but I digress.

Outside of that, the movie was excellent.

I'll be back later to check this thread out entirely.

Fam. Wait. What movie did you watch?


He was quite literally portraying the black youth of America. His delivery was as American and bland and arrogant as ANY villain in ANY comic book movie ever. He was relatable and angry and self indulgent and disrespectful and militant as any American would be in a foreign film.

At first it felt like Jordan was in a whole different film and he was almost likeable and basic with his delivery but then I realized that was the contrast they were going for. He was an actor playing an act that whole time. The real Killmonger didn't even surface until he fought T'challa. He never considered himself a badguy at all - he was just playing one.

Is he as good as Heath as Joker? No way. Is he comparable to Loki? Probably. Is his plight the most politically viable, realistic motivation from a heavy we've seen in comic book films? Yes.


oNE

 

[LSN]

you are in the tiniest of minorities on this one bruh.

Jordans acting in this was pitch perfect.

my sister mentioned something interesting in that dude might be tailor-fitted for playing the role of the “villain”...I’d argue it’s his most intense performance even given the relatively short amount of screen time

 

[Black Sexxxploitation]

bullshit. from a writers standpoint Killmonger might be the most relatable villain ever to see the screen.

dont ever listen to this shallow hustlin shit startin motherfucker speak on anything.

he has nothing of value to add to any discourse.

Tariq is a shallow ass diva of a hustler who shamelessly hops on any trending topic in sight. He can barely contain his jealousy for this project and all of the positive attention it’s getting from Black folks. That’s why he’s trying to curb the overwhelming enthusiasm for it. He’s been doing that ever since the first full trailer was released.

I love the hell out of ‘Black Panther,’ and Erik Killmonger is one of the very best things about it. Both his pain and his message will resonate with truly intelligent viewers. That is by design. Erik forced T’Challa to grow and change in a myriad of ways. That’s what great antagonists do. Ryan Coogler is building one hell of a filmography for himself.

 

[silentking]

When? Before or after she betrayed the throne? Cause she decided to betray the throne before T'Challa appeared on the rock let's not forget that.

nah...I don't think she did. She didn't buck up until T'Challa reappeared and her boo decided to go against him even after she reiterated to him that the challenge wasn't complete yet. Prior to that, her and the Dora Milaje were at the side of the new king.

 

[DJCandle]

you are in the tiniest of minorities on this one bruh.

Jordans acting in this was pitch perfect.

Disagree respectfully. Again, average at best for me.

I may have to review his entire catalog again or maybe I expected more from a villain. I just didn't feel connected to him.

Fam. Wait. What movie did you watch?


He was quite literally portraying the black youth of America. His delivery was as American and bland and arrogant as ANY villain in ANY comic book movie ever. He was relatable and angry and self indulgent and disrespectful and militant as any American would be in a foreign film.

At first it felt like Jordan was in a whole different film and he was almost likeable and basic with his delivery but then I realized that was the contrast they were going for. He was an actor playing an act that whole time. The real Killmonger didn't even surface until he fought T'challa. He never considered himself a badguy at all - he was just playing one.

Is he as good as Heath as Joker? No way. Is he comparable to Loki? Probably. Is his plight the most politically viable, realistic motivation from a heavy we've seen in comic book films? Yes.


oNE

Fair assessment. I just never got that vibe of where he was going or what he was trying to do and when we finally sorted him out, it felt like the buildup fell way short. For me of course.

Like the homey said above, I know I'm in the minority on that one but I'll take that this time.

I doubt I'll even remember dude as Killmonger 3-5 years down the line.

:shrugs:

 

[blackman80]

Damn Good Movie!!..I went to see it late Sat night..One of the best Marvel Movies!!..


Marvel Stays Winning!!..

 

[TREES]

"Bury me in the ocean where my ancestors died."
Shit had a lot of meaning. Flew over some of the younger kids head tho. But I told them what it meant.

Made me think, could they have stopped slavery??

 

[Osca Lee]

?

 

[GAMETHEORY]

I wanted more male characters esp the King's protectors/bodyguards, one has to understand that we Africans are very patriarchal, but I've never read the comics so...

Also, I expected the Royal court to be much larger and grander, particularly outdoors should have been more scenic and Sun City in South Africa would have made a good backdrop

I didn't like Lipita's Character saying Wakanda should go and aid people out there. Instead of Aid, it should have been Trade. Simply because I hate the entire premise of Aid and in particular Aid Industry in Africa.

 

[MurderCity]

Martin Freeman as CIA Operative Everett K. Ross, he was also in Captain America: Civil War

 

[Autobot8655]

Just peeped this.

Best Marvel movie yet.

I really didnt like how the killmonger character was "modified" to become more villainous.

His vision was literally the most honorable that I have seen from a villain.

His vision was so righteous that it would have made many audiences "uneasy" because black revolution is a latent fear that all oppressive races have about "black" people.

So to disrupt the psychological impact that a righteous black revolution would have on the oppressive races....

I feel that the movie was forced to depict the killmonger character doing foul shit to drive a wedge between killmonger and the audience that was viewing him.

For example:

1. Burning the roses (why would he do this...to break away from tradition?)
2.Choking and lifting the woman in the air (very awkward and did not fit into the movie)
3. Executed his girlfriend (He was obviously skilled/smart enough to resolve that situation differently. Why did he execute her?)
4. Killing one of the guards (This was meant to make him look "evil", but technically....the guards were attempting a coup and he had a right to defend the crown that he rightfully obtained.)

(He killed 2 black women in a "dramatic" manner...was this a hidden message to black women about revolutionary-minded brothas?)

My point is that Killmonger was not an average marvel villain who had desires to "destroy the world". He only wanted to give oppressed people a fighting chance.

You are not supposed to feel bad for a villains death, but....I did.

This is especially true for comic book villains who are just supposed to be the antithesis of everything good that the "hero" represents.

so....

what I get from this movie is that....killmonger's plans for black revolution was the antithesis of everything good.

 

[TimRock]

I feel that the movie was forced to depict the killmonger character doing foul shit to drive a wedge between killmonger and the audience that was viewing him.

For example:

1. Burning the roses (why would he do this...to break away from tradition?)
2.Choking and lifting the woman in the air (very awkward and did not fit into the movie)
3. Executed his girlfriend (He was obviously skilled/smart enough to resolve that situation differently. Why did he execute her?)
4. Killing one of the guards (This was meant to make him look "evil", but technically....the guards were attempting a coup and he had a right to defend the crown that he rightfully obtained.)

I think you should watch again. Everything you listed, there was a reason for. I can't go into detail now because I'm in the gym on my phone, but if someone else doesn't do it by the time I get home, I'll explain all of this.

 

[LSN]

I think you should watch again. Everything you listed, there was a reason for.

ya that’s a pretty slanted view...film did as much if not more to “humanize” him as it did to vilify him...shit the resolution was a compromise of killmonger’s and t’challa’s visions...even his death was a noble one

 

[gtg305h]

this movie... this movie is this generations Coming to America

Interesting comparison...

 

[Joe Money]

I'm not familiar with this guy. Is he a black male Tomi Lauren?

True shit right here. Sadly I've had more than a few Nigerians call black Americans "slaves".

Do the same tensions exist between West Indians (and Afro-Latinos) and continental Africans as exists between us (Black Americans) and Africans?

I swear this nigga and tonetalks are the most complaining niggas ever, if there is something black folk are enjoying, you can guarantee these two Debbie downer ass niggas will call black folk dumb and unable to discern entertainment from reality....then this faceless idiot is begging for donations for another damn documentary, foh

Hate to say it but I agree with you here. Especially Tone. I used to watch his vids because he was approaching things from a more academic perspective and using empirical data. But he starting name-dropping the same articles and same academics in every vid, and has almost turned into another Boyce. Just another pop culture commentator.

Just came back from seeing it.. haven't seen a lick of this thread, so idk if I'm the first one to say it, but Michael B. Jordan sucked in this. His acting chops are subpar at best. He shouldn't be allowed past made for TV movies on Hallmark channel but I digress.

This is how I felt. Even though the character was underwritten and to a degree, I expected more from his performance. An orphan from a royal African bloodline who'd grown up in the American ghetto but graduated early MIT and went on to become a trained assassin, all while carrying a huge chip on his shoulder?! A more talented actor would have eaten that role alive. Imagine a young Wesley Snipes or Isaiah Washington in that role? Hell, even Larenz Tate.

Fam. Wait. What movie did you watch?


He was quite literally portraying the black youth of America. His delivery was as American and bland and arrogant as ANY villain in ANY comic book movie ever. He was relatable and angry and self indulgent and disrespectful and militant as any American would be in a foreign film.

At first it felt like Jordan was in a whole different film and he was almost likeable and basic with his delivery but then I realized that was the contrast they were going for. He was an actor playing an act that whole time. The real Killmonger didn't even surface until he fought T'challa. He never considered himself a badguy at all - he was just playing one.

Is he as good as Heath as Joker? No way. Is he comparable to Loki? Probably. Is his plight the most politically viable, realistic motivation from a heavy we've seen in comic book films? Yes.

Point taken, and I think that would have worked if the Killmonger character had only grown up in the hood knowing he was Wakandan royalty. But, with an MIT education, being a trained assassin, and also being conscious of the global black struggle, I expected a better performance. More depth.

I wanted more male characters esp the King's protectors/bodyguards, one has to understand that we Africans are very patriarchal, but I've never read the comics so...

Also, I expected the Royal court to be much larger and grander, particularly outdoors should have been more scenic and Sun City in South Africa would have made a good backdrop

I didn't like Lipita's Character saying Wakanda should go and aid people out there. Instead of Aid, it should have been Trade. Simply because I hate the entire premise of Aid and in particular Aid Industry in Africa.

Dambisa Moyo

 

[ghoststrike]

OP, that's the shot just before they rolled up some good good ganja for him and chilled

But seriously, whoever hasn't seen it yet needs to. It was a GREAT movie. Powerful lines and good themes of tribalism, nationalism vs. globalism, colonialism, etc.

 

[HAR125LEM]

I don't know how many Black Folks I've had to explain Everette Ross to these last few days.

But instead of being the disparaging Older Comic Book Geek,
I've been telling them to read Christopher Priest's EPIC run of "BLACK PANTHER".
He created Ross as a POV for the readers into T'Challa and Wakanda World.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

He’s the token.

 

[mark115]

I don't know how many Black Folks I've had to explain Everette Ross to these last few days.

But instead of being the disparaging Older Comic Book Geek,
I've been telling them to read Christopher Priest's EPIC run of "BLACK PANTHER".
He created Ross as a POV for the readers into T'Challa and Wakanda World.

^this. He was used as comedic relief during Priests run.

 

[HAR125LEM]

One of the BEST Comic Book Pages ever describes Ross' role in "BP" perfectly.
In the Comics anyway...

 

[HAR125LEM]

 

[Autobot8655]

Only 2 pinks had speaking roles in the movie....literally.

1 was an evil south African. The other was the CIA cat posted here.

This movie was approaching "Boomerang" level blackness...for real.

 

[BlackGoku]

Burning the roses (why would he do this...to break away from tradition?)


He thinks that there will not be another king after him so he doesn't want anyone else to gain the power of the black panther..

 

[knightmelodic]

 

[Quek9]

We went last night and we thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't realize that the movie would touch on such deep topics as racism and black oppression. I am going to see it again with my oldest when the hype dies down.

 

[younggiftedandblack]

What makes Killmonger such a great villain is that they show what influenced him. The human events that shaped his life. Much like Magneto in First Class (who we see in a concentration camp), we get the events that laid the foundation.

I too wished Panther had saved him. The more I think about it the more I feel for his character. Imagine being a child losing both parents (you seeing one dead), living in the inner city and knowing that you have family living in a paradise.

 

[Blackmayne]

Excellent movie fam I haven't had a blown away cinematic experiance like this since Avatar or the first LOTR film!!! Bravo.... the acting was on point!!! And to think a 31 year old Black man .... pulled that off.... insane!!

 

[meilmarc]

Look at M'Baku on the left of this shot ready to go to war, I became a fan of this brother after this film.

 

[lazarus]

Killing an old man for no reason and conquering a country? Yes.
I dont get why people think Killmonger is right? What did he do that was redeeming?
I am actually lost at his character. Michael B Jordan did a great job but he was clearly a villain.
I think his character wasn't properly written and some lines came out of nowhere.
Okoye said it herself "You are filled with hate and not fit to be king".
He destroyed Wakanda in like 2 days! Why did people like kim?
Please explain.

You have to think from the view of someone who had seven or eight generations of being subjugated to the most evil acts done by man while this supposed country of riches sat on their ass

Just peeped this.

Best Marvel movie yet.

I really didnt like how the killmonger character was "modified" to become more villainous.

His vision was literally the most honorable that I have seen from a villain.

His vision was so righteous that it would have made many audiences "uneasy" because black revolution is a latent fear that all oppressive races have about "black" people.

So to disrupt the psychological impact that a righteous black revolution would have on the oppressive races....

I feel that the movie was forced to depict the killmonger character doing foul shit to drive a wedge between killmonger and the audience that was viewing him.

For example:

1. Burning the roses (why would he do this...to break away from tradition?)
2.Choking and lifting the woman in the air (very awkward and did not fit into the movie)
3. Executed his girlfriend (He was obviously skilled/smart enough to resolve that situation differently. Why did he execute her?)
4. Killing one of the guards (This was meant to make him look "evil", but technically....the guards were attempting a coup and he had a right to defend the crown that he rightfully obtained.)

(He killed 2 black women in a "dramatic" manner...was this a hidden message to black women about revolutionary-minded brothas?)

My point is that Killmonger was not an average marvel villain who had desires to "destroy the world". He only wanted to give oppressed people a fighting chance.

You are not supposed to feel bad for a villains death, but....I did.

This is especially true for comic book villains who are just supposed to be the antithesis of everything good that the "hero" represents.

so....

what I get from this movie is that....killmonger's plans for black revolution was the antithesis of everything good.

Everyone agrees with what he said. His strategy was pure revenge and antiquated. All of wakandas technology, education, and a chance to bridge Africa and black Americans to show black prosperity, and this dude wants to go shooting against a UN country. You build black people up and

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

Only 2 pinks had speaking roles in the movie....literally.

1 was an evil south African. The other was the CIA cat posted here.

This movie was approaching "Boomerang" level blackness...for real.

Was the whites only extras in Boomerang?

 

[lazarus]

Killing an old man for no reason and conquering a country? Yes.
I dont get why people think Killmonger is right? What did he do that was redeeming?
I am actually lost at his character. Michael B Jordan did a great job but he was clearly a villain.
I think his character wasn't properly written and some lines came out of nowhere.
Okoye said it herself "You are filled with hate and not fit to be king".
He destroyed Wakanda in like 2 days! Why did people like kim?
Please explain.

You have to think from the view of someone who had seven or eight generations of being subjugated to the most evil acts done by man while this supposed country of riches sat on their ass

Just peeped this.

Best Marvel movie yet.

I really didnt like how the killmonger character was "modified" to become more villainous.

His vision was literally the most honorable that I have seen from a villain.

His vision was so righteous that it would have made many audiences "uneasy" because black revolution is a latent fear that all oppressive races have about "black" people.

So to disrupt the psychological impact that a righteous black revolution would have on the oppressive races....

I feel that the movie was forced to depict the killmonger character doing foul shit to drive a wedge between killmonger and the audience that was viewing him.

For example:

1. Burning the roses (why would he do this...to break away from tradition?)
2.Choking and lifting the woman in the air (very awkward and did not fit into the movie)
3. Executed his girlfriend (He was obviously skilled/smart enough to resolve that situation differently. Why did he execute her?)
4. Killing one of the guards (This was meant to make him look "evil", but technically....the guards were attempting a coup and he had a right to defend the crown that he rightfully obtained.)

(He killed 2 black women in a "dramatic" manner...was this a hidden message to black women about revolutionary-minded brothas?)

My point is that Killmonger was not an average marvel villain who had desires to "destroy the world". He only wanted to give oppressed people a fighting chance.

You are not supposed to feel bad for a villains death, but....I did.

This is especially true for comic book villains who are just supposed to be the antithesis of everything good that the "hero" represents.

so....

what I get from this movie is that....killmonger's plans for black revolution was the antithesis of everything good.

Everyone agrees with what he said. His strategy was pure revenge and antiquated. All of wakandas technology, education, and a chance to bridge Africa and black Americans to show black prosperity, and this dude wants to go shooting against a UN country. You build black people up and take away the mind fuck first. Otherwise, a military win wouldn't matter much. Our mentality needs to be fixed first, and I would start mind fucking the oppressor back or "colonizer" lol man, if you had a wakandan person debating someone on fox, it would be pure ether.

Make black rage productive. A revolution should not be televised and should be a buildup of our youth.