Exactly.
A house built on sand and not vibranium could easily fall...just like it almost did.
Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......
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Exactly.
A house built on sand and not vibranium could easily fall...just like it almost did.
That goes back on T'Chakka's shoulder
if no secret then Baki has knowledge understands why Eric's father was killed
if the priority wasn't on hiding - Klaw gets captutred or killed decades ago
Finish this sentence
Eight years on the mic and I'm not jokin'
Eight years on the mic and I'm not jokin'
Sir Too Short comin' straight from Oakland!
Yeah, when regarding Afrikan spirituality, da ocean is of extremely high significance to us. Killmonger's anger/rage was completely justified.
So true but I often feel that was a metaphor for how African Nations left Blacks in Peril post Slavery. All Blacks across the diaspora was abandoned and instead of rising up to help the sons and daughters of Africa throughout the World.
The over arching narrative of sins of the father is so powerful here...
The complexity of even supporting characters with limited screen time is masterful
The Middle Passage
Killmonger final words.
Was chilling...
To any white folk in the audience
And I saw it.
Killmonger final words.
Was chilling...
To any white folk in the audience
And I saw it.
I'll save my personal experience with my kid for a separate thread.
Oh I got stories.
Oh I got stories.
Mbaku...
Oh we gonna need to discuss that brother
Cause he damn near stole the movie.
Real talk.
Grunting at the colonist to silence himself
These white folk were out they depth
Messages sent ONLY to us.
Coogler was on his grind cousin
Oh we gonna need to discuss that brother
Cause he damn near stole the movie.
Real talk.
Grunting at the colonist to silence himself
These white folk were out they depth
Messages sent ONLY to us.
Coogler was on his grind cousin
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This is exactly what it was.
Them o'fays don't know nu'n of it. What he said.
Yo why you acting like that was NOT a MASSIVE responsibility?
And that was a deep message too
About responsibility and ability
Not everyone can sing lead some people gotta play that tambourine
And they are equally important
If Baki feeling froggy?
Then leap and challenge him WITHOUT the powers
That is YOUR brother he know your pain his first act as king is to get YOU justice
He a buster.
Bills, you damn well wouldn't have turned on me for some black version of Victor zzasz with a dead colonist in a blue bag.
May Bast have mercy on his soul
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I'm not saying it wasn't a big responsibility I am saying his responsibility was so important he couldn't avenge them himself. So he was HOPING his good friend would be as passionate about avenging his parents as he was when avenging his own father.
We gone act like we forgot how ACTIVE T'Challa was when his father got killed? decade ain't pass. He was on the hunt immediately
So my question to you is, would you take your sweet time and kind of look for the person who killed my parents even after you actively go into panther mode and stalk and capture the man that killed yours within a week? And then come back to me like sorry bro we ain't do it but I'll get to it when I get to it?
Cause if so who's being the good friend here? Who's being the brother?
Iconic moment Too Short was in black panther movie.
He didn't even come see him to tell him that he didn't bring back Klaw
He had to come and check on it himself.
I mean you HAVE to pass the borders to get into the fucking Capitol lol
He had to come and check on it himself.
I mean you HAVE to pass the borders to get into the fucking Capitol lol
BOOM!
Read the replies too.The Wire is something man.
WE disagree with the time line.
Fam, he went after Klaw the MINUTE he found out
Remember the council was about to VETO that sh&t
They been dragging they feet for decades
They couldn't or wouldn't find him.
Civil war Bucky was RIGHT THERE...
Baki was so happy BP hopped up so fast
He knew his boy had his back and his woman Co signed
He a buster.
He lost faith when THOSE SPECIFIC LOVED ONES HAD NEVER LET HIM DOWN.
YOU would have said Playa, what happened?
That slippery colonist got away again I f*cked up. We gonna handle it let me deal with MY NATION FIRST and you and me will get on this.
You know I got you.
And fam...you would be suspicious as hell when suddenly ASAP Rocky come up with a bag.
Thank you for killing him I owe you I won't kill you let's go the capital and hash this out.
Wait wait wait I appreciate you erasing that cac but what u doing?
Disrespecting my brother my king my girl chill cuz. I don't know u like that?
You not even official!
Again I understand Eric fully but I can't stand betrayal from family like that on Baki part. That is one of the many internal issues we have as a people.
I got love for killmonger but he WAS an outsider. Unfairly or not. It was what it was...
Maybe he could have been redeemed.
But Baki betrayal was his own and uncalled for.
this was way better than guardians
He KNEW. everyone KNEW. it was KNOWN. His parents didn't just die they BEEN DEAD. When he told him he couldn't bring back Klaw he said "The last king didn't do anything to avenge my parents I thought this time it would be different but it seems like more of the same."
That's what he said lol. He has been sitting with this loss for A LONG TIME.
There was nothing going on in the nation that was pressing at that point in time. Killmonger wasn't there. Just Ross.
Also those specific loved ones had let him down for so long lol. Like they are out there finding Nakia on a mission - cause she gets to leave and be a spy- to bring her back for his ceremony but they can't use their fucking infinite resources and technology to hunt down Klaw???
None of that was in his control. He ain't turn on him when he did that shit. He didn't bring Erik there as a free man he brought him there as in intruder. They didn't come in and overthrow Wakanda. He came in and let the KING handle it.
He wasn't rooting for Erik when they were fighting. He was rooting for T'Challa. You rewriting it already. He wasn't conspiring to fight with Erik. Erik FUCKING WON. If Erik loses that initial shit, then it's over and done with but he didn't. And then the new King who brought you your revenge says we gonna FREE all these black people around the world?
Remember his girl, the one loyal to the throne, the one who wouldn't leave with Shuri and Nakia, you calling her a snake too for being loyal to the throne or what?
She eventually turned BACK once Panther was alive but again this is all after the fact. After T'Challa shows up it's too late.
And all of this can't happen if he treats Klaw like he treated the white cat that killed his father. And even STILL he had no in or right he won the shit temporarily fair and square.
He wasn't an outsider. He was royal blood whether they knew it or not. His uncle left him to DIE out there instead of saving his life. The original sin caused this all. The 2nd sin of not avenging is what sent ol boy that way.
Shit didn't just happen for no reason.
My gripe with how they did Killmongers philosophy in this movie was they put his quest for liberation on the adversarial side. They couched his messages neatly into how the real Black Panther Party would like to resist and liberate peopls but in this instance on a fantasy level and aligned Killmongers passion for his people with hatred, sub-textually aligning the works of the real black panthers with the same. It kinda irks me that it echoes to young generations that what the BPP did was somehow, “bad”, because of course we dont see what inspired Killmonger we just see his anger, so his POV was limited to the audience. Its interesting how they juxtaposed all this social commentery into this movie.
Also I didn't buy that he was his hot head brash thinking adversary full of hatred and anger once he assumed the kingdom that part was rushed (maybe the 3 hour version has more development for the character here) Killmonger was much to clever and cocky, ruthless but more measured than how they depicted him in the end.
Question to the African bros (Nigerian, Ghanian, Congolese etc), did your parents see the BPP (black panther party) as a crazy Black American hate group and wanted no parts of or associations with? Had this discussion with a Nigerian friend of mine curious your thoughts.
Also I didn't buy that he was his hot head brash thinking adversary full of hatred and anger once he assumed the kingdom that part was rushed (maybe the 3 hour version has more development for the character here) Killmonger was much to clever and cocky, ruthless but more measured than how they depicted him in the end.
Question to the African bros (Nigerian, Ghanian, Congolese etc), did your parents see the BPP (black panther party) as a crazy Black American hate group and wanted no parts of or associations with? Had this discussion with a Nigerian friend of mine curious your thoughts.
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This is why I know we(being the descendants of captured and enslaved ones) will be exalted one day. The ones who abandoned us to these debils will have to beg us for forgiveness one day. Of course we will forgive them, but they will ask for it. Then that is when we are going to save them from being re-colonized.
They didnt exactly leave diasporian blacks. Africa was colonized too and many didnt gain independence until the 20th century. Africa couldnt even help itself in some regards let alone help the rest of us scattered across the globe. So I wouldnt call it abandoned but splintered.
But that’s what I like about the end of the movie. A bridging of the gap taking place, a reconstitution of culture to make things whole.
Yeah...you right.
but I blame ALL OF IT on these colonists
but lets go with the bloodline...
as I know you already know
that is the crux of the killmonger character what he specifically represents US the lost children of Africa
they will never (or rather have never) embraced us with open arms And conversely us them.
the whole debate goes martin vs Malcolm vs Marcus
we cant truly hate Eric
because he is the living embodiment of not only our pain caused by oppression enslavement disenfranchisement abuse and brainwashing
but our self inflicted paiun
and the pain of losing our home our foundation our history
that is why it is difficult for me to side with Baki...
he is NOT the mirror of Eric
His reasoning is so selfishly emotional to me.
even the MOST loyal to the crown Okeye had to the RIGHT thing in the end
W'Kabi was border patrol he literally put the nation first above any and everything else. Literally.
While everyone else gets to go handle vendetta's go on spy missions go do all the shit outside of Wakanda
he is THERE.
While everyone else gets to go handle vendetta's go on spy missions go do all the shit outside of Wakanda
he is THERE.
II responded poorly
I KNOW it is common knowledge my point is that is precisely why he cannot place all the blame o T'Challa
He PERSONALLY JUST got the case.
let me work homeboy.
"More of the same?" WTF is that fam...
you weren't talking all this mess to my father?!?
You my my RIGHT HAND MAN, I got you NEXT to me. you JUST saw me tell these old fools we gotta do RIGHT by you chill.
I KNOW
he the rock!
So why you cracking NOW when I JUST got the damn job!??
I been telling everyone “colonizer” is my new shit!That's how I'm going to start referring to them
How do we call him selfish he is the only one who ain't doing what they want to do?
He is keeping watch over all of them. He can't leave Wakanda. Cannot. He puts country first. He can't go to UN meetings. He ain't being a spy. He's not anywhere but there keeping shit safe from intruders 24/7 365. And he's the one who's selfish?
Cause he put country first for YEARS and years instead of going and avenging his parent's death on his own??? You don't think he wanted to leave Wakanda and go get Klaw himself and really who could stop him? Did he? NO
and then someone who is from Wakanda brings you the only dead body you've ever cared about? But again even with that he wasn't siding with Erik. He was still on T'Challa side.
lol
Until T'Challa got handled. and then he like his woman were loyal to the throne.
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