Tariq Nasheed vs Umar Johnson
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This dude backs up his words with deeds. Every man has to respect that.
Tariq overstepped his commentary when he said that "he knew".....dude didn't know.....
correct me if I m wrong but didn't Tariq donate to the school also? Why would you donate if you knew dude was a fraud?
Real Talk though......I think that they should just go their separate ways and let it go......
Umar shouldn't have gotten in his feelings WAY BACK WITH THE STRIPPER INCIDENT......
And Boyce shouldn't have started the questioning of Umar IN THE PUBLIC SPACE....if he had questions then he should've said it behind the scenes.....
Tariq said his piece now he should walk away.......and Umar needs to let it go also now.
Umar shouldn't have gotten in his feelings WAY BACK WITH THE STRIPPER INCIDENT......
And Boyce shouldn't have started the questioning of Umar IN THE PUBLIC SPACE....if he had questions then he should've said it behind the scenes.....
Tariq said his piece now he should walk away.......and Umar needs to let it go also now.
Lol. Ain't gonna happen. Well at least for a week or so. A puppet is coming.
Umar is a bitch underneath it all so he ain't gonna do shit anyway tho.
Boyce is just rolling along.
But they're all clowns so at least this era of fake leadership is over
He didn't know when he donated. That was YEARS ago. He KNEW for at least a year or two but didn't say shit. Think about it. Even if he knew LAST MONTH that dude is ripping off the most desperate among us, and he didn't say shit about it, while he's "breaking down code" of white supremacists and calling out coons- he can't call out the guy whohe KNOWS is a thief?
And he didn't just not call it out. He came at people who did. He even came at Boyce-meanwhile he did an interview with Boyce two days ago lol. And he didn't say shit about at if what he knew until Umar came at HIM. Meanwhile , he's going at Roland Martin full throttle. Theres no one who he's gone at at this point, including even Sotomayer whositeray STOLEN MONEY from Black people. He has the same proof now that he had 4 days ago.
So did many of us? So what?
Which is why I don't understand why ya'll are tripping when Tariq said it.
That's true.
I don’t know that I agree with the “he knew” theory but the rest of what you said is irrefutable. Tariq’s definitely raggedy and hypocritical, but not a thief with the people’s money like Umar. I think that night he spoke out of emotion that he “knew” Umar was shady.
Not in support of the personages.... Just always support the game of realness. It's a bunch of chameleon ass negroes in this thread, and in the naysayer community as a whole when it comes to this situation. Their the ones who sit back and claim, " I knew them niggaz, and the shit they talk about wasn't shit!" They them mask wearing ass niggaz that will put on the proper face to always maintain the upper hand and can never respect a real muthafucka that keeps it consistent. Most ain't wrong about Tariq. He's pompous, boisterous, arrogant, and a little thin skinned. And he's been so since day 1. That's real, that's consistency, you know what that niggaz about, and gone be about. That's what's needed in the fight against white supremacy, consistent realness. Umar on the other hand was running around talkin about he was celibate. I knew that nigga was full of shit, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Then the stripper came. And showed his 'cookie, booty' texts. Instead of admitting he was caught, he blamed the chick. That's phony shit! Then he pulls out the conscious coathanger and starts ramrodding folks in the conscious community talkin about, "keep my name out yo mouth!" That's phony ass chest bumpin shit, thinkin a real cat ain't gonna poke his ass. Whelp, he learned that ain't the case. That's what all of you naysayers represent if you refuse to recognize those facts. Liquid spine ass niggaz. And that ain't what we need in the game against white supremacy. So go chase ya white women, and stay out of real shit period.
The "he knew" theory? Lol it came out of his mouth several.times and somehow it's a "tbeory"
He even tells you when and how he knew.
The many of us who knew it have been SAYING it about Umar. For a guy whos stock in trade is calling out coons- and those who would be dangerous to the community , he knowingly let one slide and even made jokes about people who spoke on it. He gave cover to the fraud.
Here's Tariq's mother-in-law in Haiti in 2012
Lmaooooo
Family, to clarify:
I wasn't calling it a theory with the intent on being flippant to you or others who share your viewpoint. I used the word as a descriptive - like argument or viewpoint.
Props to you for your last few posts (the last two posts, especially). You answered my questions and articulated your side with thoroughness.. I see your points and really don't disagree with you.
The timing of Tariq's assertion that he knew Umar was phony was definitely opportunistic. I think this particular critique of him is fair. I've said all along that Tariq was not a progressive leader of Black people. By contrast, Umar had not only attempted to assume the mantle of leader but had given himself and his alleged leadership custom names and titles.
Tariq's broad public paintbrushes tend to be wielded as emotional reactions to both real and perceived personal attacks against him as opposed to being motivated by a pure love and concern for Black people.
The difference between Tariq's saying he "knew" and our saying we "knew" is that Tariq has an audience of hundreds of thousands of Black folks who not only follow him but respect his words and viewpoints. Most of us don't have a platform like that.
Tariq's defense was that had he spoken his gut feeling earlier, people would have only labeled him a hater.
I say he's probably correct. A lot of people would have called him that. However a lot of other people would have applauded him for his truth telling. I think part of his motivation to stay silent was a fear of losing his fans/customers/potential customers who also happen to be followers of Umar. Here is where Tariq was wise to reject the title of "leader"in the mold of King, Malcolm and others. He has shown us time and time again why that title doesn't fit him. You are right, it shouldn't have taken Umar's personal insults for Tariq to articulate to his audience that it is his feeling that Umar is fraudulent and that we should view him with the side eye.
This illustrates why I personally find it hard to regard as leaders public figures whose primary bread and butter is using Black consciousness, their public platform and airtime to sell product to Black folks.
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Here's Tariq's mother-in-law in Haiti in 2012
For a guy who preaches against associating with dustiness his mother in law comes off very trailer trashy.
Yup. Dude spends too much time on that clowning BS. That's why I know he's still a bgol member.
I feel you but Tariq positions himself as a guy who doesn't care what people think. But ultimately we agree. These guys are clowns that ain't helping Black folks at all
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...n-psychology-license-discipline-20180102.html
Popular speaker Umar Johnson faces fines over lack of psychology license
Updated: JANUARY 3, 2018 — 9:17 AM EST
Umar Johnson is taking a break. The popular Philadelphia-bred pundit had just finished a four-city “Kwanzaa tour” of Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, and Detroit. He spoke on special education, the black family, and what’s called black uplift, themes he regularly mines for his 342,000-user Instagram following.
But over the holiday season, Johnson used that Instagram account to rally support for himself: His primary Facebook and GoFundMe have been suspended, he told his audience, and he faces discipline from Pennsylvania’s Board of Psychology.
The state Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs has charged Johnson, known as “Dr. Umar,” with portraying himself on his website as a psychologist who practices counseling services without a state license to do either. If that is proved, the board could levy fines and order Johnson to pay for the cost of the investigation.
In 2014, Johnson shared his vision of converting a defunct Virginia historically black college into a boarding school that he would name the Frederick Douglass and Marcus Garvey RBG International Leadership Academy for Black Boys. (Johnson regularly describes himself as a relative of Douglass, another claim that critics dispute.) He set a $5 million fund-raising goal that he hoped to hit by August, but did not. He had been raising money on GoFundMe, and recently said they’d hit around $400,000 before their campaign was suspended. This comes after accusations, prominently argued on the Root, that Johnson’s fund-raising lacked transparency and his organization lacked 501(c)(3) status.
Johnson, who has described himself as “Black America’s No. 1 Most Requested Scholar-Orator,” the “prince of Pan-Afrikanism” and “the foremost expert” on the “school-to-prison pipeline,” has experienced waves of criticism along his rise to national fame. Many social media users have lambasted his political and philosophical views, among them strong condemnations of homosexuality, interracial marriage, and ADHD medication.
His detractors have long questioned whether the degrees he lists were earned and whether he has scammed the public by calling for donations for the boarding school. His fans, however, hear a uniquely clear thinker dedicated to the uplift of black children who has been unfairly maligned.
The Root verified in July that Johnson has a doctorate in clinical psychology from Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Johnson was notified of the state investigation in August. In a response that month, Johnson explained that he worked as a school psychologist for the School District of Philadelphia, Chester Upland School District, and various charter schools, which required certifications as a school psychologist but not a state license to practice psychology.
Although a Department of State spokeswoman said Tuesday his hearing had been postponed because Johnson’s lawyer requested a continuance, she said Wednesday it was back on for 9 a.m., Jan. 8.
Johnson refused to answer a reporter’s questions. In brief comments, he said he was “tired” of the “despicable” coverage of him from mainstream media.
In a recent YouTube video, he stated that he grew up in North Philadelphia, near Eighth Street and Susquehanna Avenue. He described a childhood where at least once he stayed in a homeless shelter, and where quite often he loved watching movies at a neighborhood theater.
A decade ago, he was a regular speaker at Black & Nobel, the black-owned bookstore at Broad Street and Erie Avenue. Hakim Hopkins, Black & Nobel’s owner, lamented Johnson’s recent plight and noted that Johnson doesn’t need a license to deliver his message online.
“I don’t think he was doing it for the piece of paper, he was doing it because so many people want to hear and see him,” said Hopkins, who isn’t convinced these events were a final goodbye. “I don’t think he can stop doing it.”
Observers have affiliated Johnson with “hotep” political movements. Often gathering in online discussions, hoteps are known for a blend of Afrocentric affinities, black radicalism, and social conservatism. Molefi Kete Asante, a noted Temple University scholar, disagrees that Johnson and like-minded thinkers are Afrocentric.
“It is an academic theory; it is a philosophy. It’s founded on facts and information,” Asante said. “He hit a market of people who are hungry for information who do not necessarily know how to discern what is based on evidence and what is not.”
This story has been updated.
This story has been corrected to accurately reflect the degree he received from Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Popular speaker Umar Johnson faces fines over lack of psychology license
Updated: JANUARY 3, 2018 — 9:17 AM EST
Umar Johnson is taking a break. The popular Philadelphia-bred pundit had just finished a four-city “Kwanzaa tour” of Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, and Detroit. He spoke on special education, the black family, and what’s called black uplift, themes he regularly mines for his 342,000-user Instagram following.
But over the holiday season, Johnson used that Instagram account to rally support for himself: His primary Facebook and GoFundMe have been suspended, he told his audience, and he faces discipline from Pennsylvania’s Board of Psychology.
The state Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs has charged Johnson, known as “Dr. Umar,” with portraying himself on his website as a psychologist who practices counseling services without a state license to do either. If that is proved, the board could levy fines and order Johnson to pay for the cost of the investigation.
In 2014, Johnson shared his vision of converting a defunct Virginia historically black college into a boarding school that he would name the Frederick Douglass and Marcus Garvey RBG International Leadership Academy for Black Boys. (Johnson regularly describes himself as a relative of Douglass, another claim that critics dispute.) He set a $5 million fund-raising goal that he hoped to hit by August, but did not. He had been raising money on GoFundMe, and recently said they’d hit around $400,000 before their campaign was suspended. This comes after accusations, prominently argued on the Root, that Johnson’s fund-raising lacked transparency and his organization lacked 501(c)(3) status.
Johnson, who has described himself as “Black America’s No. 1 Most Requested Scholar-Orator,” the “prince of Pan-Afrikanism” and “the foremost expert” on the “school-to-prison pipeline,” has experienced waves of criticism along his rise to national fame. Many social media users have lambasted his political and philosophical views, among them strong condemnations of homosexuality, interracial marriage, and ADHD medication.
His detractors have long questioned whether the degrees he lists were earned and whether he has scammed the public by calling for donations for the boarding school. His fans, however, hear a uniquely clear thinker dedicated to the uplift of black children who has been unfairly maligned.
The Root verified in July that Johnson has a doctorate in clinical psychology from Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Johnson was notified of the state investigation in August. In a response that month, Johnson explained that he worked as a school psychologist for the School District of Philadelphia, Chester Upland School District, and various charter schools, which required certifications as a school psychologist but not a state license to practice psychology.
Although a Department of State spokeswoman said Tuesday his hearing had been postponed because Johnson’s lawyer requested a continuance, she said Wednesday it was back on for 9 a.m., Jan. 8.
Johnson refused to answer a reporter’s questions. In brief comments, he said he was “tired” of the “despicable” coverage of him from mainstream media.
In a recent YouTube video, he stated that he grew up in North Philadelphia, near Eighth Street and Susquehanna Avenue. He described a childhood where at least once he stayed in a homeless shelter, and where quite often he loved watching movies at a neighborhood theater.
A decade ago, he was a regular speaker at Black & Nobel, the black-owned bookstore at Broad Street and Erie Avenue. Hakim Hopkins, Black & Nobel’s owner, lamented Johnson’s recent plight and noted that Johnson doesn’t need a license to deliver his message online.
“I don’t think he was doing it for the piece of paper, he was doing it because so many people want to hear and see him,” said Hopkins, who isn’t convinced these events were a final goodbye. “I don’t think he can stop doing it.”
Observers have affiliated Johnson with “hotep” political movements. Often gathering in online discussions, hoteps are known for a blend of Afrocentric affinities, black radicalism, and social conservatism. Molefi Kete Asante, a noted Temple University scholar, disagrees that Johnson and like-minded thinkers are Afrocentric.
“It is an academic theory; it is a philosophy. It’s founded on facts and information,” Asante said. “He hit a market of people who are hungry for information who do not necessarily know how to discern what is based on evidence and what is not.”
This story has been updated.
This story has been corrected to accurately reflect the degree he received from Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.
bingo^^^^^
Another clown ass hotep knee grow. Didnt watch but the screencap and video title scream attention whore and possible closet fag. These guys are a got dam joke.
Random Thought about Tariq and the people he chooses to target
Jason Whitlock said something to him and he issued Whitlock a "warning" and basically said nothing else to him
Roland Martin calls him a punk and he goes off on Roland, roasting him, creating the owl puppet and accuses him of driving the "coon train" when Umar went on News One Now in the summer and then actually took credit for News One Now getting cancelled.
Now you have a kid named "some_blackguy" who's young enough to be Tariq's son, who thinks he's in some sort of rivalry with Tariq. This kid is a gamer/wrestling fan/MTGOW bullshitter, yet he think him and Tariq have a back and forth. Tariq hasn't said anything back to him after the #shutuptariq hastag over the summer.
That's kinda strange how he picks his targets.
Jason Whitlock said something to him and he issued Whitlock a "warning" and basically said nothing else to him
Roland Martin calls him a punk and he goes off on Roland, roasting him, creating the owl puppet and accuses him of driving the "coon train" when Umar went on News One Now in the summer and then actually took credit for News One Now getting cancelled.
Now you have a kid named "some_blackguy" who's young enough to be Tariq's son, who thinks he's in some sort of rivalry with Tariq. This kid is a gamer/wrestling fan/MTGOW bullshitter, yet he think him and Tariq have a back and forth. Tariq hasn't said anything back to him after the #shutuptariq hastag over the summer.
That's kinda strange how he picks his targets.
this fool doesnt understand the difference between an educational doctorate and licensure.
man the whole community looks retarded
No way in hell that peckerwoodette should be around those babies. Much less in Ayiti, especially. And cracka involvement down yonder always equate to fuckery. Always.
if this is what they have on him, it appears that the egomaniac will win his case
dude is a school psychologist
Yea man.. when Umar released the vid saying he was called before the board i stated it was not as he was saying it was. Im not remotely surprised that this isnt a hearing to discuss the his license but a hearing to discuss him NOT having one despite representing himself as a licensed professional.
All of this guys wounds are self inflicted and can be sourced back to his out of control ego and online attention whoring.
This one doesn't smell right.
Now Umar don't HAVE a license? How would he have even been hired to begin with? They out here assuming brothas got proper licenses nowadays and they don't have to prove themselves?
I don't know, Tariq.
I'd like to know what school system he worked if that is true. It damn sure wouldn't have been in a quality school system. Just one that was so desperate for faculty and staff that they were willing to take anyone who could breath and sign their name simultaneously.
Well at the end of this. Somebody or somevodys is going to have egg on their face.
man this is what the egomaniac has said all along
like i said dude should win this case pretty easily
tariq doesnt understand the shit he's reading acting like a damn female
youre a boyce fan so youre biased as fuck
but he made a big deal out of it when they hit his ass with a hearing date
the dummy mustve thought this was going to blow over
But it’s just another example of sloppiness from Umar yet this nigga wants us to believe he can manage a campus of young fatherless boys from the hood....lmbao.
Young Pharoah was right, Umar fucked himself.
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