Star Wars The Last Jedi (SPOILER Discussion thread)

[Turri]

Btw. Where are the torpedoes and missiles in the Star Wars universe?

10 slow bombers ?


Not a kid anymore so lightsabre battles with some wack martial arts don't move me.

 

[darth frosty]

Saw it in a packed crowd last night (all 3 theatres were packed) I waited until the morning to see if my feelings were any different but..... all I can say is DISAPPOINTED

• WTF is Leia Space Ghost
• General Huck is a chump
• Rebellion lost all the bombers?
• Supreme Leader Snoke needs a wheelchair
• Fuck that lightsaber throw it over the cliff
• Green goblin titty milk? Luke has fell off
• Rose the only chubby asian I've seen since I left San Diego
• A Casino planet with no Calrissian's
• Benicio Del Toro character ...was a spy or opportunist
• Where is the green lightsaber
• Captain Phasma is the Jay Cutler of the universe
• The force wasn't strong with Snoke... got caught slippin
• Rebellion can't win they running like Floyd Mayweather
• Finn tries to go Independence Day but Rose intervenes
• Luke taking more AT-AT shots to the head than Cardi B
• Wait.... he isn't there? Force ghost my ass
• Rey never gets trained ....just moves rocks
• Kylo Ren is in charge now, First Order is doomed

A stretchwallz GoT style review...


Where is the green light saber?

Probably got destroyed when Ben gave Luke that roof work at the Jedi temple.

 

[fonzerrillii]

I’m shocked that so far I’m in the minority on this one....

Me and my girl loved it... we have been talking about it Morning.

The only legit complaint to me... is Forced charged Leia. That is still my only really WTF moment.


Also again... Ken being in charge is the perfect and unexpected thing to have in this movie. For the first time... there is no Sith Lord, there is no Aprentice. Ken has decided that the only way for peace to end all ties of the old establishment. That is monumental shit right there.

You also have the last Jedi with zero training.... who already has a deep connection to the dark side. Again... monumental shit... currently she is one of the oldest to discover a connection to the force and she doesn’t have the benefit of any Jedi temples for knowledge.


Not even overlooking the fact that Smoak hubris about connecting Ren and Ray together to trap Rey backfired on him and created something new.... AGAIN Huge Shit.

We might have the third movie end with the complete end of the Jedi and Sith religions.... as a way to finally end the conflict between the factions.

Also they can go anywhere with this franchise...
This was the first one in forever with generally shocking moments where characters died that you did not expect to die in the first movie and the rebellion ended up in the worst shape that it has ever been in the franchise. There is no hope. No one answered the call even with them knowing that Leia made the call. That means they have no allies. Again huge shit.....

 

[Varis]

someone should be like that chick in the movie misery and tie lucas to bed and make him rewrite all that shit

 

[fonzerrillii]

Gawd damn.. movie made 45 million just from Thursday night.

 

[fonzerrillii]

someone should be like that chick in the movie misery and tie lucas to bed and make him rewrite all that shit

Have Lucas rewrite this shit... you have to be kidding. Have you not seen the Prequels... that was 100% him. I don’t want more of that. I good where we are. Jar Jar binks is unforgivable!!!!

 

[Varis]

lol ok someone should go back in time to 1977 and make him write the prequels and sequels with the state of mind he had back then

 

[militantmidget]

Also we learned later that Luke had shut himself off from the force so that may explain how she was handling him.

With no training tho? She just started on the island days ago. Lol. Kylo Ren I could understand, but Rey literally discovered her force abilities barely a week ago via the timeline of TFA to Last Jedi.

I think they said screw making sense, Rey is just going to kick ass w/o any knowledge. Shit it didn' make sense she beat Kylo in TFA. Smoke even mentioned it in the movie.

I hope JJ brings this series back up to par in episode 9.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Best Star Wars flick since Empire.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Best Star Wars flick since Empire.

Thanks you!!

Finally someone is getting it.

 

[Built4Life]

Thanks you!!

Finally someone is getting it.

I really enjoyed it. It has a lot more depth than the previous movies. Gonna peep it again tomorrow.

 

[melonpecan]

Since this is a spoiler page... I will say that my biggest love is the fact that for the first time... All of the rebellion plans failed. Every single plan failed... nothing worked out the way they wanted. This was basically a self contained movie with the rebellion on the run. Any one with any issues with Finn didn’t see how his role shifted in this movie. Finn basically did everything in the first movie because he was in love with Rey and looking out for himself. This was the movie where he became a rebel.

Didn't think about that...

All that being said... I give this 4 Quaid belly faces outta 5.

Huge Star Wars fan, but this is the very first film that I have zero desire to see again in theaters. It was entertaining and there were some clap moments (like Luke dusting his shoulder off), but overall I have to say it was a letdown. Rey's Mary Sue-isms CONTINUE TO BE THE BIGGEST HINDRANCE to my enjoyment of the plot. So she's just going to be the most incredible and powerful Jedi of all time without an ounce of proper training? NOT AN OUNCE. Self taught force user after a handful of tips, capable of levitating an entire rock slide without any struggle. For goodness' sake, they showed Luke's X-Wing in the water, at least have a sequence with him teaching her to lift it, so that there is a payoff when she lifts the rocks at the end of the movie. Even worse is the fact that Rey wields lightsabers and goes toe to toe with anyone in the galaxy without ANY instruction. She doesn't even farm for kyber crystals and construct her own lightsaber. She just uses Luke's old lost one, which by the way they still NEVER explained how it got from Cloud City to Maz Kanata.

And while it was a nice sequence and a good use of Yoda's force ghost, NO the burn the old, prepare for the new way of the Jedi concept doesn't explain away everything I was just ranting about. It's plot hole filled lazy story writing. Oh, but wait, Rey took the Jedi texts with her, so I guess she is going to train herself, akin to Daniel LaRusso trying to teach himself Karate from a book. If in episode 9, it turns out that they have Luke's force ghost train her, that will again be short shrift, and lazy writing. What exactly can Luke's force ghost accomplish that Luke alive could not? Which brings me to my second largest issue with this film, the way they ended Luke's story. I get it and even bought the fact Luke wants to die, but to have him go out the way that he did seemed like it was at best; a cheap attempt to tug the heartstrings with the loss of one of our favorite characters, or at worst; a disrespectful out with the old, in with the new transition for the sake of moving the universe forward.

Yoda stated that Luke must teach Rey about failure, but how is he supposed to do that when he's 1. Dead, and 2. Rey has literally never failed at a single force related activity? And if they expect us to count her inability to turn Kylo as a failure, then that is again, lazy writing. Also, what was the deal with Snoke? We won't even get into his terrible CGI. But as a character, he's this uber-powerful Sith that we were never properly introduced to, or given a backstory on. He's just there, and then he's not. Despite his ability to literally toss Rey around the room with his index finger, and manipulate both Kylo and Rey's minds from across the galaxy. While I get that what happened to him was completely in line with the mythos, i.e. the rule of two and how the apprentice is secretly always looking to overthrow the master, particularly once they've identified their own apprentice (which Kylo thought he had in Rey); that moment was neither a surprise, nor did it seem earned by the plot that they'd given us to that point.

My third major gripe with the film is their handling of Finn's storyline. They've completely taken one of the brightest stars in TFA and shifted him to the C plot. And a meaningless C plot at that. He accomplishes NOTHING. He would have been more incremental to the storyline at this point, if they had let him finish the suicide mission, and that had bought time for the rebels to get away. I would have been very pissed that they killed him, but it would have made more sense than just having him bumble around like "Hey guys, I'm still a character in this thing, so I have to do something." It's to John Boyega's charisma, credit, and acting credentials that we are able to see any character development with the plot that they've given him. He could have been a part of the foundation for the continuing Jedi order, if they had just went with the force sensitive angle. Instead we get what amounts to a glorified extra, suddenly thrust into a lazy love triangle. Oh, and some random child laborer doing his best Turbo sweeps the sidewalk impression, as an insight into the potential future of the force.

Again this movie wasn't terrible, but it wasn't that great, especially with what came before it. I see a lot of people already gushing about how awesome this movie was, and those are some of the same people that berated JL up and down for what they considered to be plot holes, and the movie forcing you to connect too many dots from logic or your outside knowledge. TFA is guilty of the same thing to a comparable degree, and it didn't have an hour shaved off of it's runtime. I guess it really comes down to your fandom, with regards to how much movie malarkey you are willing to let slide. Again, I'm a fan, but this movie required us to fill in holes that shouldn't exist, and assumed moments and plot beats that it didn't earn. This just shouldn't happen to a franchise like Star Wars, NINE MOVIES into the universe.

Lastly, the comedy. I'm aware that Star Wars always has comedy, but it was too much in this film. It was approaching Thor Ragnarok levels of incompatibility. It was a Rogue One/ Empire Strikes back level story (good guys getting trounced more or less), with Return of the Jedi level comedy. I will eventually watch it again, and own it like all of the other SW films, but I found it to be a disappointment, overall.

Man, you wrote a lot. I'm trying to truncate cause I quoted a bunch of yall, LOL.
I agree with some of this. But yes, the biggest disappointment is Finn. Well, not him, but his story.

Saw it in a packed crowd last night (all 3 theatres were packed) I waited until the morning to see if my feelings were any different but..... all I can say is DISAPPOINTED

• WTF is Leia Space Ghost
• General Huck is a chump
• Rebellion lost all the bombers?
• Supreme Leader Snoke needs a wheelchair
• Fuck that lightsaber throw it over the cliff
• Green goblin titty milk? Luke has fell off
• Chewbacca can’t eat his 2 piece in peace?
• Rose the only chubby asian I've seen since I left San Diego
• A Casino planet with no Calrissian's
• Benicio Del Toro character ...was a spy or opportunist
• Where is the green lightsaber
• Captain Phasma is the Jay Cutler of the universe
• The force wasn't strong with Snoke... got caught slippin
• Rebellion can't win they running like Floyd Mayweather
• Finn tries to go Independence Day but Rose intervenes
• Luke taking more AT-AT shots to the head than Cardi B
• Wait.... he isn't there? Force ghost my ass
• Rey never gets trained ....just moves rocks
• Kylo Ren is in charge now, First Order is doomed

LOL

Also they can go anywhere with this franchise...
This was the first one in forever with generally shocking moments where characters died that you did not expect to die in the first movie and the rebellion ended up in the worst shape that it has ever been in the franchise. There is no hope. No one answered the call even with them knowing that Leia made the call. That means they have no allies. Again huge shit.....

Where that Weebay gif...

I guess when it's all done the Resistance is going to only be Finn, Rey, Poe, maybe Rose, Chewy, and the droids. That's it. Everyone else has to go.


I enjoyed the movie. It was good.
But gosh was it beautiful!

There were some scenes that were fucking gorgeous.
Snoke's red room.
When chick went through the ship.
The last battle with the red coming off the salt.
The burning of the red room.
Good shit in there.


I do think my biggest gripe is the treatment of Finn. I want to see him shine. I know it's in his character...even more so now since the force is with/in everyone...but I wanna see it.
The group dynamic was more apparent with this one that TFA. The fact that this is Rey's story, but yea, it's other people. Other shit is happening.
Some of yall didn't like the casino bit, but it was needed. We knew from the original trilogy that the empire was shady, overtaking things, (cloud city), and doing other shit other than being dominant. But we get to see how far that has come. we know Finn is an orphan worker, but we see the families torn - not because of war - but because of workers outside of serving the empire directly. The underbelly of it all...not the poor desert of it all...there is even an elite! Who knew? That make their money off of everyone! I wonder how Finn is going to take that with him. There is no real bad and good side. Only the one you stand on and the other. And Rey shutting out the darkside / Kylo...the feminism is strong with this one. She is so pro female i got whiplash. And while I'm ok with a female heroine, it's just sooooo blatant. Oh and the books! Either Rey took them, or Yoda did. no matter which way it is, Yoda knew they weren't there and that's why he set the tree on fire. And I'm glad Yoda was not cgi. That looked like the puppet.

I'm keeping it pretty tame this time. I don't have any extremes or horriblenesses. I liked it. I can't even rate it cause I can't think of something that was so overly bad to detract from it.

 

[superfusion]

6.0

Saw the movie today and it was a disappointment. What's the point of this new trilogy; the original trilogy told the story of this small group of rebels fighting the big mighty empire, the prequels told the story of how Anakin became Vader and how the Jedi order was destroyed and how the Republic fell. This new trilogy seems like a remake of the original trilogy. They fucked up by killing Luke, so now the next movie won't have Leia in it. Leia using the Force to fly to the ship was silly. This movie took parts from Empire and Return of the Jedi. I only liked 2 parts in this damn movie: the opening scene and when the Skywalker twins reunited, that's it. Snoke was a joke, they hyped him up just to have him die like that. The fight scenes were horrible, you would think that Kylo's sword skills should be better since he was trained by luke and you would think Snoke trained him as well. Kylo Ren sucks as a villian and Rey is boring as a wannabe Jedi. Why bring all these classic character back only to kill them makes no sense. We have waited 30 years to see a mature Jedi Master Luke Skywalker but you turn him into a grumpy old man, give him no lightsaber fight scene, and then you give him a 5 minute scene with Leia. I hope they don't bring Lando back for the next one because he will surely die. This movie should have been great, they dropped the ball trying to move away from Lucas.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

 

[actinanass]

I’m shocked that so far I’m in the minority on this one....

Me and my girl loved it... we have been talking about it Morning.

The only legit complaint to me... is Forced charged Leia. That is still my only really WTF moment.


Also again... Ken being in charge is the perfect and unexpected thing to have in this movie. For the first time... there is no Sith Lord, there is no Aprentice. Ken has decided that the only way for peace to end all ties of the old establishment. That is monumental shit right there.

You also have the last Jedi with zero training.... who already has a deep connection to the dark side. Again... monumental shit... currently she is one of the oldest to discover a connection to the force and she doesn’t have the benefit of any Jedi temples for knowledge.


Not even overlooking the fact that Smoak hubris about connecting Ren and Ray together to trap Rey backfired on him and created something new.... AGAIN Huge Shit.

We might have the third movie end with the complete end of the Jedi and Sith religions.... as a way to finally end the conflict between the factions.

Also they can go anywhere with this franchise...
This was the first one in forever with generally shocking moments where characters died that you did not expect to die in the first movie and the rebellion ended up in the worst shape that it has ever been in the franchise. There is no hope. No one answered the call even with them knowing that Leia made the call. That means they have no allies. Again huge shit.....

It's starting to look like that the galaxy is finally moving away from both the first order, and the rebellion/resistance. It makes you think about if this war is actually a big thing anymore.

This movie basically told us to let go of past expectations of what Star Wars is known for. This is where I'm still confused to how to feel.

 

[EPDC]

Just sat down for the 10:45pm show...couldn't wait to talk Star Wars. Been avoiding this thread and spoilers all day.

 

[therealjondoe]

This shit was fire.
Luke >>>

 

[shaddyvillethug]

The Casino Scene was fire

 

[Snatch Goblin]

The Casino Scene was fire

What scene in the casino was fire?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

What scene in the casino was fire?

Dog

As soon as they showed the whole city lit up and then the zoom in over the crap tables and other gambling activities


And then they showed my nigga Benico Del torro

 

[dabushwackers]

Great movie non-stop action the franchise has definitely stepped up, the action was like Rogue one..

 

[therealjondoe]

I've read so many negative reviews and the one thing I am drawing from them is this,
if the movie didn't show the story the way you imagined it would, then it's trash.
The original trilogy is far from perfect. People forget they saw it as children and are viewing it thru nostalgia glasses now.

 

[EPDC]

Just got home from the theater. It was kind of lame. Too much Disney for me. The side shit with Finn could have completely been cut. I kept rolling my eyes during his parts. I never go to the restroom at the theater, but if I had to take a piss, it would have been during the time Finn and the fat Asian love interest were on that Casino planet.

And how you going to take Benicio Del Toro and give him such a shitty part.

Can't believe I'm saying this, I actually enjoyed The Force Awakens more.

This, had really good parts in it, but the wack parts were hard to overlook.

The ending, was lame. Fuck that kid and the rebel ring.

 

[EPDC]

Man...oh yeah, they literally had Finn mention he mopped Star Destroyer floors..

Waits for all the cats to come defend Finn like "his whole story hasn't been told yet"

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

I liked the flow of the lightsaber battles (I thought the one's in the prequels were complete ass)

I like that this movie seems to close out the whole Skywalker story (the ones we know and care about.)

Hopefully after Ep 9 and whatever reckoning Rey and emo come to we can get some shit like this live action.

This is how id love to see a CGI Star Wars series done..but set in the EU/Legends continuty

As for Rian Johnson's next SW trilogy i get the feeling he'll be picking and choosing from this

 

[Mello Mello]

Huge Star Wars fan, but this is the very first film that I have zero desire to see again in theaters. It was entertaining and there were some clap moments (like Luke dusting his shoulder off), but overall I have to say it was a letdown. Rey's Mary Sue-isms CONTINUE TO BE THE BIGGEST HINDRANCE to my enjoyment of the plot. So she's just going to be the most incredible and powerful Jedi of all time without an ounce of proper training? NOT AN OUNCE. Self taught force user after a handful of tips, capable of levitating an entire rock slide without any struggle. For goodness' sake, they showed Luke's X-Wing in the water, at least have a sequence with him teaching her to lift it, so that there is a payoff when she lifts the rocks at the end of the movie. Even worse is the fact that Rey wields lightsabers and goes toe to toe with anyone in the galaxy without ANY instruction. She doesn't even farm for kyber crystals and construct her own lightsaber. She just uses Luke's old lost one, which by the way they still NEVER explained how it got from Cloud City to Maz Kanata.

And while it was a nice sequence and a good use of Yoda's force ghost, NO the burn the old, prepare for the new way of the Jedi concept doesn't explain away everything I was just ranting about. It's plot hole filled lazy story writing. Oh, but wait, Rey took the Jedi texts with her, so I guess she is going to train herself, akin to Daniel LaRusso trying to teach himself Karate from a book. If in episode 9, it turns out that they have Luke's force ghost train her, that will again be short shrift, and lazy writing. What exactly can Luke's force ghost accomplish that Luke alive could not? Which brings me to my second largest issue with this film, the way they ended Luke's story. I get it and even bought the fact Luke wants to die, but to have him go out the way that he did seemed like it was at best; a cheap attempt to tug the heartstrings with the loss of one of our favorite characters, or at worst; a disrespectful out with the old, in with the new transition for the sake of moving the universe forward.

Yoda stated that Luke must teach Rey about failure, but how is he supposed to do that when he's 1. Dead, and 2. Rey has literally never failed at a single force related activity? And if they expect us to count her inability to turn Kylo as a failure, then that is again, lazy writing. Also, what was the deal with Snoke? We won't even get into his terrible CGI. But as a character, he's this uber-powerful Sith that we were never properly introduced to, or given a backstory on. He's just there, and then he's not. Despite his ability to literally toss Rey around the room with his index finger, and manipulate both Kylo and Rey's minds from across the galaxy. While I get that what happened to him was completely in line with the mythos, i.e. the rule of two and how the apprentice is secretly always looking to overthrow the master, particularly once they've identified their own apprentice (which Kylo thought he had in Rey); that moment was neither a surprise, nor did it seem earned by the plot that they'd given us to that point.

My third major gripe with the film is their handling of Finn's storyline. They've completely taken one of the brightest stars in TFA and shifted him to the C plot. And a meaningless C plot at that. He accomplishes NOTHING. He would have been more incremental to the storyline at this point, if they had let him finish the suicide mission, and that had bought time for the rebels to get away. I would have been very pissed that they killed him, but it would have made more sense than just having him bumble around like "Hey guys, I'm still a character in this thing, so I have to do something." It's to John Boyega's charisma, credit, and acting credentials that we are able to see any character development with the plot that they've given him. He could have been a part of the foundation for the continuing Jedi order, if they had just went with the force sensitive angle. Instead we get what amounts to a glorified extra, suddenly thrust into a lazy love triangle. Oh, and some random child laborer doing his best Turbo sweeps the sidewalk impression, as an insight into the potential future of the force.

Again this movie wasn't terrible, but it wasn't that great, especially with what came before it. I see a lot of people already gushing about how awesome this movie was, and those are some of the same people that berated JL up and down for what they considered to be plot holes, and the movie forcing you to connect too many dots from logic or your outside knowledge. TFA is guilty of the same thing to a comparable degree, and it didn't have an hour shaved off of it's runtime. I guess it really comes down to your fandom, with regards to how much movie malarkey you are willing to let slide. Again, I'm a fan, but this movie required us to fill in holes that shouldn't exist, and assumed moments and plot beats that it didn't earn. This just shouldn't happen to a franchise like Star Wars, NINE MOVIES into the universe.

Lastly, the comedy. I'm aware that Star Wars always has comedy, but it was too much in this film. It was approaching Thor Ragnarok levels of incompatibility. It was a Rogue One/ Empire Strikes back level story (good guys getting trounced more or less), with Return of the Jedi level comedy. I will eventually watch it again, and own it like all of the other SW films, but I found it to be a disappointment, overall.

Everything said right here. ^^^^^

Most accurate review of this movie.

Movie was huge disappointment.

 

[Nzinga]

They fucked up star wars. This bullshit was confused and confusing. It
had a Sith and a Jedi actually actually fight side by side, thereby completely
blurring the whole Jedi-v-Sith basis of the Franchise. This bullshit will
fizzle out at the box office after the weekend, and who ever made it will
learn a deserved lesson.

 

[stretchwallz]

The Last Jedi has the lowest audience score of ANY star wars film

Beating Revenge of the Sith (57%) for lowest score

 

[therealjondoe]

They fucked up star wars. This bullshit was confused and confusing. It
had a Sith and a Jedi actually actually fight side by side, thereby completely
blurring the whole Jedi-v-Sith basis of the Franchise. This bullshit will
fizzle out at the box office after the weekend, and who ever made it will
learn a deserved lesson.

They were fighting side by side to try to get each other to join them. It was for a moment you act like it was the whole movie.

 

[da_monumental_1]

I've read so many negative reviews and the one thing I am drawing from them is this,
if the movie didn't show the story the way you imagined it would, then it's trash.
The original trilogy is far from perfect. People forget they saw it as children and are viewing it thru nostalgia glasses now.

Classic example of "Post hoc ergo propter hoc".

How about this shit just sucks.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Didn't think about that...







Man, you wrote a lot. I'm trying to truncate cause I quoted a bunch of yall, LOL.
I agree with some of this. But yes, the biggest disappointment is Finn. Well, not him, but his story.



LOL



Where that Weebay gif...

I guess when it's all done the Resistance is going to only be Finn, Rey, Poe, maybe Rose, Chewy, and the droids. That's it. Everyone else has to go.


I enjoyed the movie. It was good.
But gosh was it beautiful!

There were some scenes that were fucking gorgeous.
Snoke's red room.
When chick went through the ship.
The last battle with the red coming off the salt.
The burning of the red room.
Good shit in there.


I do think my biggest gripe is the treatment of Finn. I want to see him shine. I know it's in his character...even more so now since the force is with/in everyone...but I wanna see it.
The group dynamic was more apparent with this one that TFA. The fact that this is Rey's story, but yea, it's other people. Other shit is happening.
Some of yall didn't like the casino bit, but it was needed. We knew from the original trilogy that the empire was shady, overtaking things, (cloud city), and doing other shit other than being dominant. But we get to see how far that has come. we know Finn is an orphan worker, but we see the families torn - not because of war - but because of workers outside of serving the empire directly. The underbelly of it all...not the poor desert of it all...there is even an elite! Who knew? That make their money off of everyone! I wonder how Finn is going to take that with him. There is no real bad and good side. Only the one you stand on and the other. And Rey shutting out the darkside / Kylo...the feminism is strong with this one. She is so pro female i got whiplash. And while I'm ok with a female heroine, it's just sooooo blatant. Oh and the books! Either Rey took them, or Yoda did. no matter which way it is, Yoda knew they weren't there and that's why he set the tree on fire. And I'm glad Yoda was not cgi. That looked like the puppet.

I'm keeping it pretty tame this time. I don't have any extremes or horriblenesses. I liked it. I can't even rate it cause I can't think of something that was so overly bad to detract from it.

I don’t see how you didn’t see this as FINN’s moment to shine. This movie was basically half a Finn moment. Poe even went as far as risking Treason because he had faith in Finn’s plan. Then you had Finn go right back to the thing that he hated the most (the First Order) to infliltrate it basically by himself.... to try and save the rebel’s. Did it work... no and that was the beauty of it. He tried.

He also took out his biggest nemesis in the First Order.... Even though I do think she can come back. I’ve seen too many Star Wars villains falling into fire moments at this point to know that if you don’t see a body ... then they can come back.

Personally I don’t see what else Finn can do to have a better story.

What’s so cool about this Jedi story is that the Rebellion isn’t donminated by Royalty & Generals. You have a guy that was a janitor for the First Order and a lonely Junker born of Junky parents being the best hope for the universe. THATS GREAT SHIT RIGHT THERE.

 

[fonzerrillii]

They fucked up star wars. This bullshit was confused and confusing. It
had a Sith and a Jedi actually actually fight side by side, thereby completely
blurring the whole Jedi-v-Sith basis of the Franchise. This bullshit will
fizzle out at the box office after the weekend, and who ever made it will
learn a deserved lesson.

This is the dumbest post I’ve seen in this thread. How was this shit confusing.

Ren clearly said he abandoned the Sith Order.

And if you want to get fucking Real... Vadar killed the Emperor in the very first trilogy to save his Jedi Son. Did you even watch Star Wars? What the fuck are you talking about?

The entire premise of Star Wars is the internal conflict between the Jedi Order and the Sith. They switch sides all the time.

The biggest difference in this Film is that Ren killed his Master and abandoned both orders... to bring down the entire thing. That’s new to Star Wars.

Update... and yes I know the Sith don’t exist in this trilogy but it’s easier to say Sith then Darkside follower or Follower of the Darkside.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Shits on track to make 220million this weekend...

 

[$moneyPit$]

I also really liked It better than force awakens. although I felt Snoke was defeated to easily.

 

[therealjondoe]

Way better than force awakens and I like force awakens