Star Wars The Last Jedi (SPOILER Discussion thread)
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Who ever sees it first..... needs to drop a separate spoiler discussion thread.
That's the purpose of this thread
Think I need to add spoiler discussion to the title?
Perfect...... This works
I shall be back in here... Late Thursday night to discuss.
then back Saturday after my second helping.
Light sabre charging Sith robes all pressed!
The Plot is on Wikipedia!
Seen it earlier..
Alls i can say is WHAT in the fresh hell (a certain subplot)
Alls i can say is WHAT in the fresh hell (a certain subplot)
Which subplot?
I read this before I went to see it but can't imagine which one you mean.
I really liked this
A whole lot to unpack and digest but I liked the flow of the movie for the most part and the story was nice even if it did get slogged down in the middle.
A whole lot to unpack and digest but I liked the flow of the movie for the most part and the story was nice even if it did get slogged down in the middle.
Luke of course..after 30 years of build-up,they do this BS 
And all that hype with Phasma of Tarth,she gets merked in a cheap way
And all that hype with Phasma of Tarth,she gets merked in a cheap way
I didn't really find it all that great. The theater I was in, like 3-4 ppl clapped at the end and it was PACKED.
Overall Grade: C
Spoiler: Rey being so talented with the lightsaber without any real training didn't make any sense. She was going toe to toe with those imperial red guards way to easy for someone who just started using a lightsaber. She even backed down Luke Skywalker which had me like WTF.
And Kylo Ren was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too EMO man. I was thinking is this Star Wars or Twilight the movie. Also, the movie was a bit drawn out, especially after snoke was killed.
Also Finn has officially become the slapstick character of the series. Dude is basically a clown.
Loved it except for how they write Finn and Poe's acting.
Just left it... there is a ton to unpack.
I Fucking love this movie...
Right now it’s number 2 on my list... it’s going to be tough to top Empire.
I’ll write a more detailed review later...
But this one spoke to my heart.
Since this is a spoiler page... I will say that my biggest love is the fact that for the first time... All of the rebellion plans failed. Every single plan failed... nothing worked out the way they wanted. This was basically a self contained movie with the rebellion on the run. Any one with any issues with Finn didn’t see how his role shifted in this movie. Finn basically did everything in the first movie because he was in love with Rey and looking out for himself. This was the movie where he became a rebel.
Oh and this was the best use of Yoda that I’ve seen in a decade. This made me miss Empire Yoda all over again.
But I’ve got two and only two complaints...
1. I can’t believe they killed my boy Luke. I’ve been waiting most of my adult life to see Old man Luke and they killed him. Of course Luke is going to be back in the next movie... as Ghost Luke but damn I wanted to see him back in action. But I guess that was the point of this movie. Desperation..... Luke coming to save the rebellion would be a cheat code and this isn’t his story. His way didn’t work.
2. I was all in on the little Asian Rebel that was helping Finn up until they forced an unnessary love triangle. My only hope is that the next movie.... uses this as a way to show Rey being tempted by the Darkseid through her jealousy. Sort of like Anakin.
The place was fucking Triple packed... there were a gang of people waiting for the 1:30 late show. The place erupted in clapping when it was over and I was in the non 3d basic theater... in other words... this Shit is easily hitting a billion.
I Fucking love this movie...
Right now it’s number 2 on my list... it’s going to be tough to top Empire.
I’ll write a more detailed review later...
But this one spoke to my heart.
Since this is a spoiler page... I will say that my biggest love is the fact that for the first time... All of the rebellion plans failed. Every single plan failed... nothing worked out the way they wanted. This was basically a self contained movie with the rebellion on the run. Any one with any issues with Finn didn’t see how his role shifted in this movie. Finn basically did everything in the first movie because he was in love with Rey and looking out for himself. This was the movie where he became a rebel.
Oh and this was the best use of Yoda that I’ve seen in a decade. This made me miss Empire Yoda all over again.
But I’ve got two and only two complaints...
1. I can’t believe they killed my boy Luke. I’ve been waiting most of my adult life to see Old man Luke and they killed him. Of course Luke is going to be back in the next movie... as Ghost Luke but damn I wanted to see him back in action. But I guess that was the point of this movie. Desperation..... Luke coming to save the rebellion would be a cheat code and this isn’t his story. His way didn’t work.
2. I was all in on the little Asian Rebel that was helping Finn up until they forced an unnessary love triangle. My only hope is that the next movie.... uses this as a way to show Rey being tempted by the Darkseid through her jealousy. Sort of like Anakin.
The place was fucking Triple packed... there were a gang of people waiting for the 1:30 late show. The place erupted in clapping when it was over and I was in the non 3d basic theater... in other words... this Shit is easily hitting a billion.
Good movie but left with several disappointments.
Where was the big shocking twist that they were hyping up?
How did Luke just die like that. I know it used tons of energy but then just died... Smh. And that scene when he was standing toe to toe with the AT-AT's could have been the shit that dreams were made of but it turned out to be weak... Which leads me to my last point...
What does a mother fucker have to do to get some amazing Jedi fight scenes choreographed?!? Every fight scene in these movies (with the exception of the Vader scene at the end of Rogue One) has been a fucking let down. The closest we got was the Kylo and Rey team up scene and that only had one good moment. I thought that was gonna be crazy. Could have really pulled off something memorable but it was just average. Imagine if they did some shit like how Cap and Winter Soldier did when they were passing the shield back and forth as they fucked up Iron Man! Then you have an opportunity to have Luke truly unleash and they don't do it....i was waiting for him to dodge some beams, jump up and slice one if those AT's to shreds and force pull down Kylo's ship... Such an opportunity wasted. A scene like that would have left everyone leaving the theater happy. What do we have to do to finally see an epic lightsaber battle?!?
All that being said... I give this 4 Quaid belly faces outta 5.
Where was the big shocking twist that they were hyping up?
How did Luke just die like that. I know it used tons of energy but then just died... Smh. And that scene when he was standing toe to toe with the AT-AT's could have been the shit that dreams were made of but it turned out to be weak... Which leads me to my last point...
What does a mother fucker have to do to get some amazing Jedi fight scenes choreographed?!? Every fight scene in these movies (with the exception of the Vader scene at the end of Rogue One) has been a fucking let down. The closest we got was the Kylo and Rey team up scene and that only had one good moment. I thought that was gonna be crazy. Could have really pulled off something memorable but it was just average. Imagine if they did some shit like how Cap and Winter Soldier did when they were passing the shield back and forth as they fucked up Iron Man! Then you have an opportunity to have Luke truly unleash and they don't do it....i was waiting for him to dodge some beams, jump up and slice one if those AT's to shreds and force pull down Kylo's ship... Such an opportunity wasted. A scene like that would have left everyone leaving the theater happy. What do we have to do to finally see an epic lightsaber battle?!?
All that being said... I give this 4 Quaid belly faces outta 5.
They cleaned house in this Movie and that’s what made it great. I think people were expecting it to be a remix of empire like the first one was a remix of a new hope. I enjoyed how Leia used the force to survive in space. Rey being that skillful with so little training?...c’mon son! That lil Asian midget could get it
. I don’t see kylo being supreme leader of shit. He got outclassed by a Projection. And I don’t think that’s the last we’ve seen of Phasma. And poor Hux.. nigga can’t even run his own Army
. I don’t see kylo being supreme leader of shit. He got outclassed by a Projection. And I don’t think that’s the last we’ve seen of Phasma. And poor Hux.. nigga can’t even run his own Armyis sort of felt similar about it. i think rey handled luke. luke was shutting her down with the antenna. until she got the light saber. i like the action scenes but idk about this one yet. i felt it was a little too long. it's definitely a self contained movie.
To your point about Luke vs the army. I honestly thought he was about to fuck shit up... Especially after he pulled a jay-z and wiped that dirt off his shoulders
And why did they also rip off the BSG pilot episode "33" for the scenes with the Resistance fleet..? 
The last 35 mins was cool. There were a lot of drawn out spaces in between the good parts like the Snoke fight and the final battle. Ray and Luke' Story was cool. The pilots story was cool. What the fuck was Finn's story. The whole time they were at the casino I was rolling my eyes. When they were riding around forever on those stupid animals i kept checking my watch. His fight with Phasma started ok but then he won with a cheap shot, like damn, can Finn earn his victory like all the other hero charters. Oh and I forgot about that stupid selfless act where he was trying to independence day attack the drill. It didn't make any sense to me. Rose didn't really offer much to me where did all this love come from. They were together for 8 hours (thats how much fuel they had when they left) and she's professing love? Rey and Finn were together longer and they never said it. I don't think they know what they are doing with Finn's character.
I think if you cut the casino scene and sent them to sneak on to the Imperial ship from the start the movie goes up a point an a half. Right now i give it a 6.5 maybe a 7.
I think if you cut the casino scene and sent them to sneak on to the Imperial ship from the start the movie goes up a point an a half. Right now i give it a 6.5 maybe a 7.
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I give this shit a F.
SuperLeia? Really?
SuperLeia? Really?
Forgot about this part... Bwahahahaha. I guess the force is strong in her. Strong enough to fly. IN FUCKING SPACE!?
Still cant believe they took out Admiral Ackbar..his last words shouldve been "It's a TR-"*BOOOOM*
Caught the 1:00am IMAX here. Got lucky on the Fandango seating availability. Same thing, theater erupted in clapping. Full house. It was a given it is going to make its money
Totally agree but I like how they are stealing /incorporating aspects of the expanded universe in certain areas.
That scene of him facing the army was straight from Dark Empire and the casino felt like the one from the Zahn Thrawn trilogy.
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Also we learned later that Luke had shut himself off from the force so that may explain how she was handling him.
I liked the flow of the lightsaber battles (I thought the one's in the prequels were complete ass)
I like that this movie seems to close out the whole Skywalker story (the ones we know and care about.)
Hopefully after Ep 9 and whatever reckoning Rey and emo come to we can get some shit like this live action.
And no more
It was established in the first Trilogy that the force was strong with Leia. She just never had training. But she has always had a connection....
I was taken back by that scene... but they have shown her connection multiple times in this series.
Yeah I felt that that was easily explained this movie....
Plus the Luke that we saw was a broken and cut off Luke.... he basically became old Ben.
What I think people who aren’t hardcore fans are completely missing the point again... that The conflict within Star Wars is cyclical. What has happened must inevitably happen again. There must be a Sith Lord and there must be a Jedi. That is the balance.
This is just shit writing. That's what they've shown. A connection. Nothing else. Even with training, Force adepts aren't surviving getting blown into space. She's not SuperLeia. She's Space Mary Poppins. Only thing missing was a hat, an umbrella and some 60's musical type music in the background.
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Even Rian Johnson and Mark Hamill had their reservations about the finished product.
Huge Star Wars fan, but this is the very first film that I have zero desire to see again in theaters. It was entertaining and there were some clap moments (like Luke dusting his shoulder off), but overall I have to say it was a letdown. Rey's Mary Sue-isms CONTINUE TO BE THE BIGGEST HINDRANCE to my enjoyment of the plot. So she's just going to be the most incredible and powerful Jedi of all time without an ounce of proper training? NOT AN OUNCE. Self taught force user after a handful of tips, capable of levitating an entire rock slide without any struggle. For goodness' sake, they showed Luke's X-Wing in the water, at least have a sequence with him teaching her to lift it, so that there is a payoff when she lifts the rocks at the end of the movie. Even worse is the fact that Rey wields lightsabers and goes toe to toe with anyone in the galaxy without ANY instruction. She doesn't even farm for kyber crystals and construct her own lightsaber. She just uses Luke's old lost one, which by the way they still NEVER explained how it got from Cloud City to Maz Kanata.
And while it was a nice sequence and a good use of Yoda's force ghost, NO the burn the old, prepare for the new way of the Jedi concept doesn't explain away everything I was just ranting about. It's plot hole filled lazy story writing. Oh, but wait, Rey took the Jedi texts with her, so I guess she is going to train herself, akin to Daniel LaRusso trying to teach himself Karate from a book. If in episode 9, it turns out that they have Luke's force ghost train her, that will again be short shrift, and lazy writing. What exactly can Luke's force ghost accomplish that Luke alive could not? Which brings me to my second largest issue with this film, the way they ended Luke's story. I get it and even bought the fact Luke wants to die, but to have him go out the way that he did seemed like it was at best; a cheap attempt to tug the heartstrings with the loss of one of our favorite characters, or at worst; a disrespectful out with the old, in with the new transition for the sake of moving the universe forward.
Yoda stated that Luke must teach Rey about failure, but how is he supposed to do that when he's 1. Dead, and 2. Rey has literally never failed at a single force related activity? And if they expect us to count her inability to turn Kylo as a failure, then that is again, lazy writing. Also, what was the deal with Snoke? We won't even get into his terrible CGI. But as a character, he's this uber-powerful Sith that we were never properly introduced to, or given a backstory on. He's just there, and then he's not. Despite his ability to literally toss Rey around the room with his index finger, and manipulate both Kylo and Rey's minds from across the galaxy. While I get that what happened to him was completely in line with the mythos, i.e. the rule of two and how the apprentice is secretly always looking to overthrow the master, particularly once they've identified their own apprentice (which Kylo thought he had in Rey); that moment was neither a surprise, nor did it seem earned by the plot that they'd given us to that point.
My third major gripe with the film is their handling of Finn's storyline. They've completely taken one of the brightest stars in TFA and shifted him to the C plot. And a meaningless C plot at that. He accomplishes NOTHING. He would have been more incremental to the storyline at this point, if they had let him finish the suicide mission, and that had bought time for the rebels to get away. I would have been very pissed that they killed him, but it would have made more sense than just having him bumble around like "Hey guys, I'm still a character in this thing, so I have to do something." It's to John Boyega's charisma, credit, and acting credentials that we are able to see any character development with the plot that they've given him. He could have been a part of the foundation for the continuing Jedi order, if they had just went with the force sensitive angle. Instead we get what amounts to a glorified extra, suddenly thrust into a lazy love triangle. Oh, and some random child laborer doing his best Turbo sweeps the sidewalk impression, as an insight into the potential future of the force.
Again this movie wasn't terrible, but it wasn't that great, especially with what came before it. I see a lot of people already gushing about how awesome this movie was, and those are some of the same people that berated JL up and down for what they considered to be plot holes, and the movie forcing you to connect too many dots from logic or your outside knowledge. TFA is guilty of the same thing to a comparable degree, and it didn't have an hour shaved off of it's runtime. I guess it really comes down to your fandom, with regards to how much movie malarkey you are willing to let slide. Again, I'm a fan, but this movie required us to fill in holes that shouldn't exist, and assumed moments and plot beats that it didn't earn. This just shouldn't happen to a franchise like Star Wars, NINE MOVIES into the universe.
Lastly, the comedy. I'm aware that Star Wars always has comedy, but it was too much in this film. It was approaching Thor Ragnarok levels of incompatibility. It was a Rogue One/ Empire Strikes back level story (good guys getting trounced more or less), with Return of the Jedi level comedy. I will eventually watch it again, and own it like all of the other SW films, but I found it to be a disappointment, overall.
And while it was a nice sequence and a good use of Yoda's force ghost, NO the burn the old, prepare for the new way of the Jedi concept doesn't explain away everything I was just ranting about. It's plot hole filled lazy story writing. Oh, but wait, Rey took the Jedi texts with her, so I guess she is going to train herself, akin to Daniel LaRusso trying to teach himself Karate from a book. If in episode 9, it turns out that they have Luke's force ghost train her, that will again be short shrift, and lazy writing. What exactly can Luke's force ghost accomplish that Luke alive could not? Which brings me to my second largest issue with this film, the way they ended Luke's story. I get it and even bought the fact Luke wants to die, but to have him go out the way that he did seemed like it was at best; a cheap attempt to tug the heartstrings with the loss of one of our favorite characters, or at worst; a disrespectful out with the old, in with the new transition for the sake of moving the universe forward.
Yoda stated that Luke must teach Rey about failure, but how is he supposed to do that when he's 1. Dead, and 2. Rey has literally never failed at a single force related activity? And if they expect us to count her inability to turn Kylo as a failure, then that is again, lazy writing. Also, what was the deal with Snoke? We won't even get into his terrible CGI. But as a character, he's this uber-powerful Sith that we were never properly introduced to, or given a backstory on. He's just there, and then he's not. Despite his ability to literally toss Rey around the room with his index finger, and manipulate both Kylo and Rey's minds from across the galaxy. While I get that what happened to him was completely in line with the mythos, i.e. the rule of two and how the apprentice is secretly always looking to overthrow the master, particularly once they've identified their own apprentice (which Kylo thought he had in Rey); that moment was neither a surprise, nor did it seem earned by the plot that they'd given us to that point.
My third major gripe with the film is their handling of Finn's storyline. They've completely taken one of the brightest stars in TFA and shifted him to the C plot. And a meaningless C plot at that. He accomplishes NOTHING. He would have been more incremental to the storyline at this point, if they had let him finish the suicide mission, and that had bought time for the rebels to get away. I would have been very pissed that they killed him, but it would have made more sense than just having him bumble around like "Hey guys, I'm still a character in this thing, so I have to do something." It's to John Boyega's charisma, credit, and acting credentials that we are able to see any character development with the plot that they've given him. He could have been a part of the foundation for the continuing Jedi order, if they had just went with the force sensitive angle. Instead we get what amounts to a glorified extra, suddenly thrust into a lazy love triangle. Oh, and some random child laborer doing his best Turbo sweeps the sidewalk impression, as an insight into the potential future of the force.
Again this movie wasn't terrible, but it wasn't that great, especially with what came before it. I see a lot of people already gushing about how awesome this movie was, and those are some of the same people that berated JL up and down for what they considered to be plot holes, and the movie forcing you to connect too many dots from logic or your outside knowledge. TFA is guilty of the same thing to a comparable degree, and it didn't have an hour shaved off of it's runtime. I guess it really comes down to your fandom, with regards to how much movie malarkey you are willing to let slide. Again, I'm a fan, but this movie required us to fill in holes that shouldn't exist, and assumed moments and plot beats that it didn't earn. This just shouldn't happen to a franchise like Star Wars, NINE MOVIES into the universe.
Lastly, the comedy. I'm aware that Star Wars always has comedy, but it was too much in this film. It was approaching Thor Ragnarok levels of incompatibility. It was a Rogue One/ Empire Strikes back level story (good guys getting trounced more or less), with Return of the Jedi level comedy. I will eventually watch it again, and own it like all of the other SW films, but I found it to be a disappointment, overall.
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Saw it in a packed crowd last night (all 3 theatres were packed) I waited until the morning to see if my feelings were any different but..... all I can say is DISAPPOINTED
- WTF is Leia Space Ghost
- General Huck is a chump
- Rebellion lost all the bombers?
- Supreme Leader Snoke needs a wheelchair
- Fuck that lightsaber throw it over the cliff
- Green goblin titty milk? Luke has fell off
- Chewbacca can’t eat his 2 piece in peace?
- Rose the only chubby asian I've seen since I left San Diego
- A Casino planet with no Calrissian's
- Benicio Del Toro character ...was a spy or opportunist
- Where is the green lightsaber
- Captain Phasma is the Jay Cutler of the universe
- The force wasn't strong with Snoke... got caught slippin
- Rebellion can't win they running like Floyd Mayweather
- Finn tries to go Independence Day but Rose intervenes
- Luke taking more AT-AT shots to the head than Cardi B
- Wait.... he isn't there? Force ghost my ass
- Rey never gets trained ....just moves rocks
- Kylo Ren is in charge now, First Order is doomed
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