Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

@Camille @largebillsonlyplease @dawilleyone I'd like to go back to a point mentioned earlier that Sam is like a damn encyclopedia of Westeros, fables, lineage and myths. After all, Rhaegar (sp) is essentially just the generation before Sam and Jon. Sam grew up as a Lord and was around other Lords so you know he heard some shit. I say that to say, if all of a sudden a recent Stark was recorded as being married in secret and possibly birthing a child then it isn't far fetched for Sam to connect the dots. R+L= a kid. You have all Stark children and 1 bastard (who is damn near the same age as Rob) from a man who wasn't known for doing that sort of thing. Then Jon will surely tell Sam about his experiences with Danny and the Drogon.

Sam will be doing the math and connecting all types of shit like...

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Actually I said Bran was an encyclopedia. He can see the past and should be able to tell them how to make weapons if they need help.

Sam has heart though.You always have the nerdy/assumed weak people with a lot of heart, down for the cause, that no one takes seriously because they can't see their strengths. Characters like Neville in Harry Potter who stood up to Voldemort and took out Nagini. Sam has already been invaluable in finding out where the dragon glass was located. We don't know if Bran can see the future, but I think he can. I think he knew that Sam would be present when the message was read and so sending the raven would cause Sam to leave and put him on a different path. To me, this foreshadows him having some sort of pivotal role. (Though all Bran has to do is tell people what they need to know, he can't be everywhere at once. It's like he's moving chess pieces on a board, setting them up to put necessary events in motion.)
 
I get you not liking how they dropped the info but also keep in mind that book is probably with them too so there's a chance it comes up again and soon.

I really don't like how they did it, MOSTLY because it has to come up again. which means we can already write that scene.

Some time in Season 8:

Sam: So Jon's a Targaryen. And Rhaegar was his father. Wow. If only he wasn't a bastard then he could really rule all of Westeros
Gilly: Uhm, did you say Raggar?
Sam: No Gilly, Rhaegar Targaryen - The Crown Prince of all of Westeros before Robert killed him on the Trident. Turns out Jon is his bastard son with Lyanna Startk
Gilly: Umn, Sam don't you remember when I read about a Prince Raggar getting his marriage annulled back at the...
Sam: Gilly can you take the baby off my scrolls, uh, sorry what did you say about getting Raggar and his marriag?
Gilly: Back at the Citadel I told you the High Septim annulled Price Raggar's marriage
Sam: Wait when did you tell me that?
Gilly: It was in the books about the High Septim
Sam: Tell me you got that book, Tell me you brought that book
Gilly: Well, I did but after I read it, I used it to wipe the baby's ass
Sam: DOH!
 
Stop with the sexism. you just love the hell out of some Cersei dude, and that's fine. She's a good character, but she is written to be hated. Tywin told her she wasn't as smart as she thinks back in like season 2 or 3, so it's not like people are just saying it for nothing. As the series progresses we see that although she is prone to overkill, she is effective, but she's still purposely written and presented as to be someone people hate. If this was sexism we'd hate Arya, we'd hate Brienne, we'd hate Margery, we'd hate the fuck out of Ladey Olena.... but do we.... nope.

A lot of people hate Cersei, because that's the intent of the writer(s) and show runners. There are some people who love her like you and that's fine too. Think Negan on the Walking Dead. He's a good character, but so obviously written to be a hated character, but surely he has a backstory and surely, he has a side of him that can probably draw people in, like they did with the Governor... but in the end they are hated because they are written to be the hated characters.


Some serious sexism in this thread. I've seen so many mentions of how Cersei isn't as smart as she thinks. She out smarted all of Tyrions plans and gets no props. No matter what she does cats keep underestimating her and calling her names. If she was a guy I bet she would receive a lot of love.
 
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Season 7 has been explosive and the latest episode "Eastwatch" feels like the eye of the hurricane. Just a calm moment to prepare for the real destruction that's coming from the frozen Nazis near the wall. All that said here are my stretched out observations from episode 5 season 7 of Game of Thrones
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  • Bronn establishes the Kings Landing coast guard
  • Jamie crushed by the defeat with one dragon, and she has 2 more
  • Danaerys gives her hearts-and-minds Trump campaign speech
  • Bend the knee or DIE... many refuse
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  • I expected Drogon to speak in Sean Connery's voice when seated on the hill
  • Danaerys is a presidential candidate trying to win Michigan after nuking Detroit
  • Tarly's are anti immigration and refuse to back down
  • General Tarly gave Dickon a look that should have killed him before Drogon did.
  • I'm now shouting DRACARYS before nut.
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  • Tarly's burned alive; Lannister soldiers drop down faster than Amber Rose at Source awards
  • Yo, turn him over wit a spatula Now we got, Kentucky Fried Cracker rhymes Drogon
  • Danaerys rides Drogon home ...who seems unaffected by his shoulder battle injury
  • Jon meets Drogon face to face ...dragon sniffs reveals all
  • Danaerys acting like a single mother of three (dragons) looking for good man
  • Ser Friendzone Mormont returns singing Peaches and Herb
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  • Jorah sees King Cockblock Jon Snow ...and says damn i can't ever win Danaerys
  • Bran using Heckle and Jeckle to spy on White Walkers like Cointelpro
  • Night King looks at Ravens like he's Tom Brady on 3rd down
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  • Bran sends group raven texts to all of the 7 kingdoms
  • Varys signs for King Jon's FedEx package, opens it and repackages it
  • Tyrion suggests catching a zombie to convince Cersei (as if she'll care after her 3rd cup of wine)
  • "With respect your grace, I don't need your permission. I am a king." Danaerys is no longer "The Unburnt"
  • Jamie “This isn’t a war we can win,”
  • Jamie tells Cersei about the Dothraki "... you don't understand. Dem niggas can fight!"
  • “So we fight and die or submit and die. I know my choice.” –Cersei
  • Olenna killed Jofferey and you didn't let me punish her ?
  • Bronn brings Jaime down into the Skull Room to have a secret meeting with Tyrion
  • "He hated me because of what I am" - Tyrion
  • Upstairs, Gargamel (Qyburn) tells Cersei about Jamie meeting Tyrion
  • She embraces Jaime and warns, “Never betray me again”
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  • Seven hells Cersei is pregnant? the last thing Jaime needed
  • Jaime... ease up on all that fermented crab
  • I can believe in dragons & people rising from the dead..but Cersei not drinking wine for 9 months?
  • So this whole trap a nigga with a pregnancy thing exists in Westeros ? Cersei aint slick
  • Jamie send Bronn to get that Dornish Plan B ASAP
  • Gendry said fuck all this Game of Thrones crap and got a job
  • Gendry rowed so long he became Christian Bale and captain of Flea Bottom crew team
  • Gendry is a Barathoen impulsive and ready for some action: I prefer a Warhammer
  • "Nothing fucks you harder than time" -Ser Davos, speaking about the wait for the remaining books.
  • Davos smuggler ship must be named "Live Forever"
  • When you can't bribe the gold cloaks with gold; become Ser Davos, the Viagra Knight.
  • Fermented Crab: if erection lasts longer than 4 hours, please consult your Maester.
  • Gendry hits gold cloaks with the Stanley Burrell - they put me in the mix
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  • Cloavis? I'm Gendry King Robert's bastard son
  • Gendry was acting like small HS players when they meet Steph Curry
  • Gendry's father (Robert) killed Jon's real father (Rhaegar)
  • Battle of the bastards last year now it's the bromance of the bastards
  • "it's better to be a coward for a minute, then dead for the rest of your life" the Theon theory
  • The Maesters read Bran’s letter, “magic birds talking to cripples.” BULLsHIT
  • Sam says the Night King is real....but Maesters say so is the drowned god and Jesus.
  • Gilly and Sam are in study hall reading for class later
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  • Gilly could've found (Jon's lineage, Tyrion's lineage, Night King's DMV record) reading at Citadel
  • A High Septon once issued an annulment for Prince Rhaegar and married him to somebody else in Dorne
  • Sam quit grad school the same day he could've learned he's Lord Tarly
  • Sam Tarly steals something out of every place he's been... like a European
  • Tarly is going to have mad library fines for taking those sacred scrolls.
  • Gilly on the come up; from illiterate father-fucker to Lady of Horn Hill in 3 years
  • Sansa defending Jon like the NFL does Kapernick at meeting with the lords
  • Arya accuses Sansa of being superficial and wanting more power
  • “You always liked nice things…made you feel better than everyone.” – Arya
  • Arya acting like she's fresh out of prison, stalking people and breaking an entry
  • Arya might have assassin training but littlefinger's been standing in corners for two seasons now.
  • That is the scroll that Sansa was forced to write to Robb after Ned was executed
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  • The Alt-Wight quest continues at Eastwatch castle
  • Tormund "the big woman?" LOL my man is persistent
  • A group of white guys with animosity towards each other? is this the wall or Charlottesville
  • Thoros of Myr is pissed because he wandered into a dry county ...no liquor anywhere
  • Eastwatch All Stars: Jon, Davos, Jorah, Tormund, Hound, Thoros, Beric, Gendry
  • Everyone in Westeros can travel at lightspeed but the White Walkers move like turtles
  • They're walking past the wall like Jesus Walks is playing in the background
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Exactly, that's what Kyburn was most likely talking to her about in private before Jamie walked in. She knows that's the only way to keep Jamie on her side, plus the witch told her she would have 3 kids not 4. If Jamie finds out she lied to him about the baby that may be the final straw that puts him against her.


Boy y'all really keep wanting Jamie to hurt Cersi.

Like I said before nothing but Tyrion has the power to do that.

Further prove my point Cersi threatened to kill Jamie over Tyrion last night
 
There's something that has been a kind of subtext in the whole series that popped up again last night. In Episode one of the series, when Ned cut off the head of the Night's Watch guy for being a deserter, he told Bran he wanted him to see it so that he could understand that if you pass the sentence, you should swing the sword (did it clean; one swing). From that point on, that has been something that has separated the more "noble" leaders from the less noble leaders...

Joffery passed the sentence on Ned, but he did not swing the sword... Theon passed a sentence on sir Rodrick at Winterfell, and was gonna let his Iron Island assistant do it until old dude called him out on it, but even when he did swing the sword but he fucked it up and had to hack away at dude's neck like 6 times to get his head off.
Rob passed the sentence on the Karstark guy, and took his head with one swing. Jon passed sentence on Slynt, and swung the sword and took his head with one swing. Jon passed sentence on Allister, the kid and the others and although he didn't behead them, he killed them with one swing of his sword when he cut the rope and hung them.

Stannis passed sentence on Mance Rayder and didn't swing the sword, he had him tied and set on fire. ....and Danaerys... she sentenced the guy in Mereen that killed the harpy, but she didn't swing the sword, she had the 2nd son guy do it. Then last night she sentenced the Tarly's to death but she didn't swing the sword, she had Drogon do it with fire. She also sentenced the witch to die after she fucked up Khal Drogo, but she didn't swing the sword, she had her tied to the funeral pyre to burn. Her father sentenced Ned's father and brother to die, but he didn't swing the sword, he had them burned alive. Cersei and Jamie both had people drink poison, and although Jaime did it out of compassion, he still didn't swing the sword.... shit, her death would have been quicker if he had (although he's not acting as king, so maybe he gets a pass...Arya used poison on the Frey's, but she also wasn't acting as leader/queen, she was an assasin).

Obviously people would look differently at male leaders than female leaders when it comes to this, but still, I'm pretty sure this was all done on purpose to separate the leaders based on quality/nobleness. May not end up actually meaning anything in the end.
 
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This episodes pacing was the shit. Closed some loops. Eluding to some speculation.

:angry:Who the fuck is Cersai's spy?

When Jon was rubbing the dragon...he had that "oh shit, does this mean I'm a Targaryean!?!" face.
Qyburn is her spy. He was telling about the secret meeting as Jamie walked in the room.
 
  • "Nothing fucks you harder than time" -Ser Davos, speaking about the wait for the remaining books.
Easily the quote of the night.
  • Gendry's father (Robert) killed Jon's real father (Rhaegar)
Big difference between "our dads were best friends" and "my dad killed yours" isnt it?

Awesome recap as always brother stretch.. :yes:
 
Qyburn is her spy. He was telling about the secret meeting as Jamie walked in the room.


He may have been there passing on intel, but I think she is actually pregnant. When he said "I can give you something" I think he meant to end the pregnancy, as she doesn't have a husband to cover as the father. She doesn't care who knows she and Jaime are fucking tho. This is a basic trait, sooner or later people want to stop hiding who and what they are and come out into the light, be and feel authentic. Qyburn and Jamie are still have some decorum. Cersei is like "Who's gonna stop me, boo?"
 
I've come back to the show this season after missing the last two.

Can someone explain to me why Danaeyrs couldn't use at least one of her dragons as a "scout" to verify Jon's story on the White Walkers?

Bran did the shit with ravens. Though even he's not being taken seriously either.

And FUCKIN' LENA HEADEY???
That chick is Glenda Jackson (old heads know who I'm speaking of). She's AWESOME!!!
 
I've come back to the show this season after missing the last two.

Can someone explain to me why Danaeyrs couldn't use at least one of her dragons as a "scout" to verify Jon's story on the White Walkers?

Bran did the shit with ravens. Though even he's not being taken seriously either.

And FUCKIN' LENA HEADEY???
That chick is Glenda Jackson (old heads know who I'm speaking of). She's AWESOME!!!

She don't believe him yet and there's no reason to send a dragon to verify some shit she don't believe in and doesn't have anything to do with getting the 7 kingdoms

I wouldn't send a dragon anywhere to do nothing
Like there's only 3 in the world.
 
Danaeyrys isn't a Warg(Worg??) so she can't get into an animal's head and see through its eyes the way that Bran can. She would have to ride way up beyond the wall on the dragon to see it for herself.



I've come back to the show this season after missing the last two.

Can someone explain to me why Danaeyrs couldn't use at least one of her dragons as a "scout" to verify Jon's story on the White Walkers?

Bran did the shit with ravens. Though even he's not being taken seriously either.

And FUCKIN' LENA HEADEY???
That chick is Glenda Jackson (old heads know who I'm speaking of). She's AWESOME!!!
 
Just remember though, if Jaime was the 2nd born twin, he could be the Valonquar just as Tyrion could be... and he has a history of killing a king so it's not beyond the realm of logic that he at least could stab her in the back. I personally want Arya to do it, but it wouldn't go with the prophecy.


Boy y'all really keep wanting Jamie to hurt Cersi.

Like I said before nothing but Tyrion has the power to do that.

Further prove my point Cersi threatened to kill Jamie over Tyrion last night
 
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