Alien Covenant sucked ass.

Trailors are the best part of the movie. Matter of fact 3 scenes from the trailors at not even in the movie
This is why I don't watch trailers. Unless I'm stuck in the movie theater I don't watch trailers. Especially for movies I'm already going to see

Now I wasn't going to see this movie tomorrow period but, because of the scathing reviews I think I'll save my money
 
Okay, finally saw it yesterday, I did actually like it 3 stars (***) BUT, BUT I definitely understand the criticisms wholeheartedly, there was some real stupid shit in this movie
which has already been covered enough. To me this story or lack there of, completely dismantles what Prometheus started, kinda how "The Matrix Reloaded" and "The Matrix Revolutions" had a huge gap in the story, I was like "wait a minute there is whole other flick missing here." Fassbender carried this flick for sure and so did McBride and the funny looking Ripley wannabe. The rest of the crew was just fodder.

Okay here is what I liked:
*Set design and action scenes were top notch
*David's mad scientist and Walter being like his conscious
*For some reason I enjoyed the blood and gore
*The sinister ending
What sucked
*No real direction in story
*The absolutely stupid shit the characters did

Well I don't blame Ridley I think he wanted to make a really smart film but "politics" got in the way. I do still want to see another sequel.
 
Ok I just saw the film and while not great it wasn't that bad. I did walk away disappointed overall. Like other said before characters did some absolute ridiculous shit. Should have blown both robots to bits. Definitely set it up for a sequel though. Can't leave it hanging like that.

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lol u could tell that nig didn't like humans..he did what most cyborg/robots do in movies which is try to make mankind extinct... he pretty much lived up to his stereotype goin by the feedback


But if you look at the prologue to the movie... he says that Shaw showed him a level of compassion that he never experienced before.... then he put her to sleep. So he saw two different types of human reactions...

I just don't get it but it's whatever to me at this point... the movie sucked. It's going to do good now but it's going to get slaughtered by Pirates of the Caribbean next weekend and bad word of mouth. It's probably going to be 3rd or 4th next week... so this matters not to me.
 
Seriously... Anyone that justifies this shit is a crack smoker..

Alien: Covenant – The Xenomorph’s Origins Explained

Alien: Covenant is now in theaters, and while it doesn’t completely bridge the gap between Prometheus and Alien, it does answer one major question: where the franchise’s titular alien came from. Over the course of the movie, it’s revealed that the android David (Michael Fassbender) is the creator of the xenomorph, using gruesome biological experiments to create what he sees as the perfect organism.

When the xenomorph first burst onto our screens in Alien, in 1979, its origins were shrouded in mystery. We knew what it looked like – a ferocious-looking creature, black-skinned, with a sharp, muscular tail, a curved, oblong head, acidic blood that would melt your face off and a powerful inner jaw to knock your brain out too. However, like Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) and the rest of the Nostromo crew, we didn’t know where it came from or what it wanted – other than to kill every human it came into contact with – and it wasn’t until James Cameron’s Aliens that it was given an actual name. Lieutenant Gorman (William Hope) was the first one to call it the xenomorph, by putting together the Greek words for alien (xeno) and form (morph).

With every new instalment in the Alien franchise, new theories were put forward as to the xenomorph’s back-story, because its creators – Don O’Bannon, Ronald Shushet and Ridley Scott – had held back from actually giving it an official one. Before the arrival of Prometheus, some people had speculated that the parasitic aliens were the alpha predator of their own harsh ecosystem on the planet Xenamorph Prime. After Prometheus, theories focused more on the Engineers being the creators of the savage species.

Now with the arrival of Alien: Covenant, Scott has decided it is time the world knew the truth about his fearsome extra-terrestrial monster, but in order to properly explain the Xenomorph’s origin story, we first need to remind ourselves of some key plot points in Prometheus. At the end of the 2012 movie, Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) escapes on the Engineer’s ship with a decapitated (but still functioning) David (Michael Fassbender) on board and hundreds of cylinders of black liquid – which contain a virulent biological weapon.

We first saw the effects of that liquid on humans when David tainted Charlie Holloway’s (Logan Marshall-Green) drink with it, and when Fifield (Sean Harris) fell face-first into a puddle of it. Holloway was killed before he mutated into the monstrous being Fifield became, which, though deadly, was nothing compared to the xenomorph. Shaw herself “births” her own alien offspring, the trilobite, after having the liquid accidentally sexually transmitted to her by Holloway. She cuts it out of her stomach before it can claw its way out of her, and it ends up latching onto the Engineer, causing a different strand of the alien species, the Deacon (AKA proto-xenomorph) to burst out of its chest. This alien shares a lot of characteristics with the xenomorph but, as we discover in Alien: Covenant, David is to thank for the real thing.

In the new prequel we learn that Shaw and a mended David did arrive on the Engineers’ planet. Shaw had wanted to find out why the Engineers decided to destroy humans, whom the Engineers themselves created, but instead David decides to let the dangerous substance loose on them, subsequently wiping their entire population out. David turns the Engineers’ stronghold into his own personal lab, using the black liquid in experiments to create the first iterations of the alien species. It turns out the alien’s parasitic nature is inherited from the native wasps David had been experimenting on – which lay eggs inside their prey and, upon hatching, the larva eats the prey from the inside out.

Sound familiar?

After exhausting the planet’s creatures and organisms in his experimentations with the black liquid, David ends up “sacrificing” Shaw to his genetic engineering. In a way she was the first queen, as it was through her female reproductive system that he was able to create the eggs containing the facehuggers. However, with no more humans to experiment on, David couldn’t progress any further.

Enter the Covenant crew who descend on the planet after picking up on a transmission of Shaw singing an old John Denver song – a honey pot trap set up by David in order to ensnare any passing human ships. Before they meet David, a couple of crew members are infected by embryotic spores. This leads to a more natural kind of xenomorph – called a neomorph and white in colour – to burst out of one crew member’s back and another’s chest. In comes David to save the remainder of the crew, but obviously not out of the kindness of his synthetic heart. Fresh humans provide just what he needs to take his scientific exploration to the next level and sadly for Captain Oram (Billy Crudup) he becomes David’s new guinea pig.

Oram gets tricked into taking a hugger straight to the face – from the batch of eggs evolved using Shaw – and out of his chest comes David’s “perfect organism” – the first horrifying xenomorph. This creature is the final result of David’s Machiavellian creation cycle – the outcome of his ruthless pursuit to create an alien species far greater than the human that created himself.

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Really?

That's where they came from?

This is how they explain the whole franchise now.

Underwhelming.

Sounds rushed.

It's really not the aliens but the killer robot all along. So really aliens is just another terminator movie.

I would have preferred another storyline with Shaw before this movie.
 
Ok I just saw the film and while not great it wasn't that bad. I did walk away disappointed overall. Like other said before characters did some absolute ridiculous shit. Should have blown both robots to bits. Definitely set it up for a sequel though. Can't leave it hanging like that.

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Who is she you got more pics?
 
I enjoyed the movie, but i think all the deleted scenes should have been left in for a more cohesive story as broken down in this video...

 
It was a good movie, other then not explaining a lot of unanswered questions from Prometheus. David fulfilled his dreams as an android, hence Walter stating that David had his imperfections. The opening act already showed David's resentment towards his creator, the mocking of him not be being able to create his own. In Prometheus, many of the humans taunted him for being a droid. Like the scene when they finally landed on Prometheus and one of the crew members asked why was he wearing a helmet. You can tell David felt some type of way there. So you see, David has been playing this all of alone. Humans can only blame themselves for his actions.

Definitely an unfinished movie, could've used more information on the engineers. Why they created humans on earth? Why did they want to destroy us? Could they see the future or something? What did David discover to want to kill off the engineers?
 
It was a good movie, other then not explaining a lot of unanswered questions from Prometheus. David fulfilled his dreams as an android, hence Walter stating that David had his imperfections. The opening act already showed David's resentment towards his creator, the mocking of him not be being able to create his own. In Prometheus, many of the humans taunted him for being a droid. Like the scene when they finally landed on Prometheus and one of the crew members asked why was he wearing a helmet. You can tell David felt some type of way there. So you see, David has been playing this all of alone. Humans can only blame themselves for his actions.

Definitely an unfinished movie, could've used more information on the engineers. Why they created humans on earth? Why did they want to destroy us? Could they see the future or something? What did David discover to want to kill off the engineers?

I went back and watched Prometheus this morning, and after watching it through the lense of "David started it." It makes sense. Everything revolving around the Xenomorph being ties into what went down in that movie. Why they're so hostile, why they look the way they do, are born how they're born etc... Still haven't seen Covenant but I guess there's no other way to look at it. Everything the Xenomorphs are started with the events on the expedition.

I still think it was dumb to have that be their origin story. But then the issue is Prometheus, not Covenant. Although I'm sure it has its plot holes and issues as well.
 
I liked it :dunno:

I wasn't disappointed

but the dumb shit they did was a bit frustrating

There was suspense to it and I like that it didn't end all happy after everything that happen
 
But if you look at the prologue to the movie... he says that Shaw showed him a level of compassion that he never experienced before.... then he put her to sleep. So he saw two different types of human reactions...

I just don't get it but it's whatever to me at this point... the movie sucked. It's going to do good now but it's going to get slaughtered by Pirates of the Caribbean next weekend and bad word of mouth. It's probably going to be 3rd or 4th next week... so this matters not to me.
lol oh u thought he was lelu and was gonna spare humans cause of "love"..well this ain't the 5th element ole boy like love is cool but at the end of the day i still remember "war" and u fucks gotta die..ole boy is anti lelu and if he was the 5th element he would've shot earth with the zap breath
 
shit 36 mill still sucks for opening weekend..unless the budget was cheap this mite be a semi flop if word of mouth keep coming out bad

Naw like I told Slam, it will be straight

It only cost 100 mil. As opposed to something like King Arthur which cost 175

It's going to probably make that globally this weekend
 
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Naw like I told Slam, it will be straight

It only cost 100 mil. As opposed to something like King Arthur which made 175

It's going to probably make that globally this weekend
they gonna really have to depend on them global numbers cause america killing them rite now
 
Shit was garbage. I paid $19 for the IMAX ticket plus $18 for concessions and feel like I was fucking scammed. That movie was the most badly written sequel that I think I've ever seen. Even worse than The Matrix trilogy. Making David the sinister instigator of the whole Alien story is fucking ridiculous. The movie was just bad, straight up.
 
Shit was garbage. I paid $19 for the IMAX ticket plus $18 for concessions and feel like I was fucking scammed. That movie was the most badly written sequel that I think I've ever seen. Even worse than The Matrix trilogy. Making David the sinister instigator of the whole Alien story is fucking ridiculous. The movie was just bad, straight up.

Zactly
 
There are two sequels being made to this.. as a alien movie lover this was kind of underwhelming.. how many times u gonna kill the alien the exact same way.. how a big name like Franco not even say two words before he died..half of the trailers were not even in the movie..will have to see the director's cut before final decision..

Spoiler alert:
On a side note.. I liked how the alien walked through the dock doors and just was chilling..like where these niggas I'm about to fuck up..lol.. zero fucks to give
 
But if you look at the prologue to the movie... he says that Shaw showed him a level of compassion that he never experienced before.... then he put her to sleep. So he saw two different types of human reactions...

I just don't get it but it's whatever to me at this point... the movie sucked. It's going to do good now but it's going to get slaughtered by Pirates of the Caribbean next weekend and bad word of mouth. It's probably going to be 3rd or 4th next week... so this matters not to me.
watching promethus on tv again, you can understand why david felt the way he flet about humans. weyland didn't give a fuck about him, weyland resented him because her pops treated him somewhat like a son. the doctor that was shaw's boyfriend threw shade every chance he got. david was like " i seen how humans are for at least 5 decades prior to weyland dying fuck em. david saw compassion from shaw and viewed as an anomaly and shit used her as a vessel.
 
watching promethus on tv again, you can understand why david felt the way he flet about humans. weyland didn't give a fuck about him, weyland resented him because her pops treated him somewhat like a son. the doctor that was shaw's boyfriend threw shade every chance he got. david was like " i seen how humans are for at least 5 decades prior to weyland dying fuck em. david saw compassion from shaw and viewed as an anomaly and shit used her as a vessel.

ya maybe the execution of the film might've been garbage (I'll have to watch it for myself) but I'm totally behind the idea of david creating the aliens
 
Yep what I stated has been confirmed ( can't take credit another poster called this months ago), Ridley got his arm twisted.

*HUGE SPOILER WARNING*

http://collider.com/alien-covenant-original-story-prometheus-2/#david

Alien: Covenant
is now finally in theaters, to a somewhat divisive response, but the film that Ridley Scott ended up making wasn’t always the one he intended as the follow-up film to Prometheus. Indeed, that (also divisive) 2012 movie was the Blade Runner filmmaker’s highly anticipated return to the sci-fi genre, and he did so under the guise of a prequel to the film that first put him on the map: Alien. Passengers scribe Jon Spaihts originated the Prometheus script as a film that brought back the facehuggers and the iconic xenomorph, but when Damon Lindelof was asked to weigh in, he shaped the script into more of a separate sci-fi film than a direct prequel to Alien. Instead of focusing on that iconic monster, the film introduced precursors to the xenomorph while focusing more squarely on the Engineers, the beings that created humans in the first place.

The end of Prometheus revealed that the Engineers had been using the planet that the Prometheus crash-landed on as a containment/creation zone for a biological weapon. They were headed to wipe out humanity when the organism they created turned on them, leaving behind the deadly tomb that the Prometheus crew finds. At the movie’s conclusion, Noomi Rapace’s Dr. Elizabeth Shaw and Michael Fassbender’s badly injured android David are the only two survivors, and instead of charting a course back to Earth, Shaw argues they should instead try to find where the Engineers came from to better understand why they wanted to snuff out their creation of humanity.

Shortly after Prometheus’ release, both Scott and Lindelof were fairly open about their plans for a Prometheus sequel, with Lindelof revealing that the two had already plotted out the answers to questions posed in that film:

“Ridley was very interested in talking about, ‘What are the answers to the questions that Prometheus is posing that are not necessarily definitively spelled out in the body of Prometheus?’ I said to him, we should be prepared for people to feel frustrated if we’re going to be withholding, so we have to be very careful about what we’re saving for later because it’s not a foregone conclusion that there are going to be sequels, and so if there isn’t a sequel, just be comfortable with what we gave them in this movie.”

Lindelof continued, as the initial plan was for Prometheus to spawn its own separate franchise further disconnected from Alien:

“This movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”


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Scott maintained that it was pertinent to keep both Shaw and David alive at the end of Prometheus to set them off on a path for the eventual sequel:

“I know where it’s going. I know that to keep [David] alive is essential and to keep [Elizabeth] alive is essential and to go where they came from, not where I came from, is essential.”

As for what Shaw and David would find upon meeting the Engineers, Scott had already worked out that they would be portrayed as pretty evil beings:

“Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive fuckers … and who wouldn’t describe them that way, considering their brilliance in making dreadful devices and weapons that would make our chemical warfare look ridiculous? So I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. As she says, ‘This is not what I thought it was going to be, and I think we should get the Hell out of here or there won’t be any place to go back to.’



That’s not necessarily planted in the ground at the tail end of the third act, but I knew that’s kind of where we should go, because if we’ve opened up this door — which I hope we have because I certainly would like to do another one – I’d love to explore where the hell [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous.”


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If you’ve seen Alien: Covenant it’s at this point that you’re probably thinking, “Uh, what?” Indeed, the film that became the Prometheus sequel doesn’t bear a ton of resemblance to the one that Scott and Lindelof were describing back in 2012, but that’s par for the course in Hollywood. Scripts get developed, evolve, and change, and clearly Scott opted to go a different direction with it.


Lindelof decided not to return to script the Prometheus sequel, which is credited to John Logan and Dante Harper with a “story by” credit going to Michael Green and Jack Paglen. Obviously the biggest change here is the jettisoning of the Shaw character. While Rapace did return and shoot scenes for Covenant, they ultimately landed on the cutting room floor and were released online as something of a prologue filling in the gap between what happened in Prometheus and where we find David in Covenant.
We see that Shaw painstakingly put David back together and then was put into hypersleep while David piloted the Engineer ship towards their home planet. That sequence ends with footage we do see in Alien: Covenant: David releasing the biological weapon on a legion of Engineers greeting the arrival of the presumed-lost ship.


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As we learn in Covenant, David developed an antagonistic relationship toward his own creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce) pretty much from the first minute he was “turned on.” But David played the waiting game, biding his time until he could exact revenge on his creator and his entire race—and the progenitor of that species itself. Basically, David hates humanity so much, and finds it so inferior, that he develops a species of his own—a predatory killing machine that rips anything resembling a human to shreds.

So what happened to the story thread of following Shaw and David as they confront the Engineers? Well Alien: Covenant basically puts the whole Engineer story to bed as David wipes out the entire species before the Covenant ship even lands (though it’s possible some colonies elsewhere still exist). In the context of the franchise, it appears we’ll never find out exactly why the Engineers targeted humanity for destruction—but Scott himself revealed the answer to that question back in 2012.


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Essentially, in this initial story idea, we would discover that Jesus Christ was an Engineer emissary sent down to Earth to put a stop to brutal warfare. He was crucified, the Engineers got mad, and humanity’s fate was sealed:

“We definitely did [have that in the script], and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Lets send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.’ Guess what? They crucified him.’”


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I suppose it’s possible this story thread could still be explored in whatever the sequel to Alien: Covenant turns out to be—Scott says he has one or two films left before we hit the timeline of the original Alien—but the end of Covenant seems far more concerned with David. Moreover, we’ve now answered that one big glaring question that an Alien prequel posed: Who created the xenomorphs? It was your friendly neighborhood android David, who’s now in control of 2,000+ colonists aboard the Covenant as Daniels (Katherine Waterston) and Tennessee (Danny McBride) are in hypersleep.

Where things go from here is anyone’s guess, and even if Scott did come out and say exactly what the Covenant sequel will entail, there’s no guarantee that story will stick as evidenced by his comments about Prometheus 2 back in 2012. Scott says the script for the Covenant sequel is already written, and it’ll be interesting to see if Daniels and/or Tennessee return, or if Scott once again unceremoniously kills off the protagonists of the prior film.


Whatever the case, it seems that Scott is now far more interested in telling David’s story than further exploring the Engineers.
 
ya maybe the execution of the film might've been garbage (I'll have to watch it for myself) but I'm totally behind the idea of david creating the aliens
won't make sense cause predator 2 showed an alien skull..that was like 1996..all these alien flicks take place in the future..so how can a predator have an alien skull if it yet was not created?? it pretty much said fuck you to predator 2 and both avp movies with the retarded warped time of events
 
I always thought exploring the origin of the space jockey and the eggs was a fascinating idea, but the execution of those ideas hasnt worked out. In hindsight, the shit should have stayed an idea. For what its worth, Prometheus and Alien:Covenant are visually stunning and have their good moments. I just don't care much for the new narrative ie: engineer Jesus, David creating the Xenomorph, characters being complete idiots...
 
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