Believe It or Not: Ben Affleck wants out of the BatMan Movie Entirely.

I was okay with the scene and hated it the same time. Yes, my first thought was that Clark should save his dad. However, not saving his dad made perfect sense. The first time we see Clark really use his abilities is when he saves the kids in the sinking bus. Remember the first conversation between clark and dad. "what should I have done, let them die" dad-"Well...maybe." Dad would have been totally okay with a bus full of children dying if it meant Clark could keep his secret. All throughout the movie, we hear Dad telling Clark to stay hidden. Hell, he even told Clark to let the bullies beat up on him, so he wouldn't be outed. By the time, we get to the tornado scene, it makes sense he was hesitant about saving his father. The last thing is father told him was don't try to save me(didn't say it, but made the motion). Before and after we see that scene, we see Clark hiding for years before a Priest talked some sense into him.

I agree with you that it was not a perfect way to kill him, but at least it made sense as to why Clark didn't act. I think the first Superman did it right. He has a heart attack.....Clark not around to save him..father dies.
exactly - how does a character mature into the superman that we meet at the end of MoS and in BvS - when he was raised as a child to live in fear of who he is, mind his business, not help others in need - even to the point of letting the parent that taught him these lessons, die in a storm? how does that psychology work? that this character matures into a do gooder, someone willing to sacrifice all - even his life for strangers?
 
Affleck was originally suppose to be the director to the Batman film,but they wanted to rush him with the writing,so he said fuck it.

Warner Bros is so worried about Marvel they want to rush shit,it's their fault for waiting too long to start their own universe...By the time,they decided to start their own universe,Marvel was in the middle of Phase 2 of theirs and now you see WB rushing everyone to get their movie done..

Yup. That's what I hear too.

I'm not sure why you mentioned me. Notice I don't discuss CBM on th board anymore more. Why? just look at the OPs thread title.

Did the news come from Ben Affleck directly? Nope! A friend of a friend. So obviously the title should have "rumor" or " speculation" or something in it! But nope!

Click bait just like the rest of the internet. Not to mention the board is heavy pro-Marvel!

Anyway have at it!

We don't know what's coming from Ben or not because nobody is saying anything from Bens camp. At first it looked like he was using his out as a deal changer. But then it turned out that the script sucked, he couldn't take his time with it and yes- they are all worried. I love Ben as Bats, I love all his films, especially The Town and Argo. I hope... I really hope they can right the ship and not put all the weight on him to do it and that's what all these stories seem to imply.

While,I agree it doesn't directly comes from Affleck,this been building since the failure of BvS....Especially, when people are saying he's not thrilled with Warner Bros trying to rush him on the script.

Why would you give him some authority on how the universe should be, but want to rush him on a script, especially when he's trying to avoid another Daredevil catastrophe....it makes no sense at all.

I want DCU to worked, but just look at the last two movies(even though I liked Suicide Squad),it hasn't panned out well for Warner Bros.

Like,I said many times,instead of trying to rush everything so you can catch up to Marvel, Warner Bros should of just took their time and developed their universe...It's their fault that they waited to long to do their universe and now they're playing catch up and it's failing miserably.

THIS

Honestly I stopped reading after the "failure of BvS" part! No matter how people try and spin it. The movie may not have been critically as successful from what we thought but failure? Hardly!

It's hard to have a decent conversation when basics like that aren't fully realized!

It's why you rarely catch me anymore in threads like these. They're pretty much like exensions of the talking heads by people that have no idea how movies and/or the movie industry works.

It was a failure fam, aint no doubt about it.

Man of Steel was good. But SO close to great. It was bloated, Supes was a brooder and certain character arcs were fishy but it looked good, good pacing, had real world connections and a great score. Still panned for too much death and destruction.

Batman V Superman was a misfire. There should've been a Man of Steel 2 here - Superman. But they rushed and edited the shit outta the finished product. The forced cameos of the League was off putting. A bad version of the antagonist, the Doomsday subplot, weird pacing and the lack of Superman hurt. Still, Batfleck and Wonder Woman were great and the score was good. The beginning justified the mass death of Man of Steel - that was brilliant.

Suicide Squad was a let down. The initial "started a joke trailer" was masterful! Dark, weird, risky. All the leads were good. The main antagonist (if it were the Joker) was perfect. The script was shit. The pacing was shit. The editing was shit. The soundtrack was laid over too many scenes in a shit way. I cant even recall a score but it looked great. The characters were all well done but the movie failed them, too many hands fucked it up. David Ayers even admitted as much.

Wonder Woman looks good. Contrary to reshoot reports and doubts, everything is right en par with Captain America!

Justice League tease looks so good but trying to be funny is bad. I like Snyder but he's doing too much.

Flash movie seems to be going the way of Gambit. Too bad. Rick leaving was a major sign of failure.

Aquaman should be right on point like Thor underwater.


Movies are hard as hell to make I know but this is systemic in its nature. Just look at it. I say this as a student of film. Collider is official too. I know some them dudes from way back when they were starting up. If they mention ANYTHING about it on that show, there is blood in the water.

oNE
 
we are on the same page brother...

and honestly I think IF Affleck REALLY does this?

It will reverberate and heads will roll...and that is all good.

They REALLY need to realize that DC HANDS DOWN have the 3 LARGEST most POPULAR Modern myths in the Trinity...

if they TREAT them as such?

they cannot lose.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but they NEED to have Dini, Kevin Smith Jim Lee and Marc Bernadin in powerful advisory roles from here on out.

Remember there has already been some changes made at the higher up levels. The most notable being Geoff Johns and the other CEO dude Burke I believe now "controlling things". I think they are going to take a wait and see attitude going forward. Wait and see what the reception is on WW and JL which are supposed to be movies that still fit the DC tone but more centered(Johns and Burkes first projects). We'll see! Aquaman was already too far ahead to change course.
Also, understand, they need less people in advisory roles counter to what you've mentioned, not more! Hell that's likely been part of the problem! Too much people giving their opinions and ideas.

For example some people actually thinks K. Feige makes all the decisions over there at Disney/Marvel. But you and I know that's not true. So that shows "ONE VOICE" one person pretty much sets the tone/vision and everyone contributes to how to get it accomplished. That's the winning formula for a cinematic Universe.
 
Yup. That's what I hear too.


It was a failure fam, aint no doubt about it.

You and I have nothing to discuss. You're stating an opinion as fact! That's not the world I live in or a realm I visit. There are too many positives to even entertain your opinion. Amend your statement and we can talk.
 
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if true bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


i said it b4 i told you guys from the very start bvs was a stupid idea period..the smart human vs jesus from out of space makes no fucking sense due to the greatness that was the zod fight..no way do u go from that to fighting a human..people on this board said i don't kno wtf i was talking about bvs was a great idea it's gonne be a billion dollar smash yadda yadda..now look at where we are now bwahaaaaaaaaaa... all they had to do was come out with man of steel 2..but no they wanted to bring in the human who everybody knows won't die so the battle made no goddamn sense...lol this is 1 of the greatest i told you so ever..lmao this will hands down as the biggest failure ever..bizzaro, brainac , doomsday, anybody could've been in man of steel 2 but nope bvs comes out and the worst enemy was themselves...tears from infinite laughter is comin out..i was totally against the idea and from the looks of it warner bros wish they could turn back the hands of time...dumbest idea ever bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
this
 
Remember there has already been some changes made at the higher up levels. The most notable being Geoff Johns and the other CEO dude Burke I believe now "controlling things". I think they are going to take a wait and see attitude going forward. Wait and see what the reception is on WW and JL which are supposed to be movies that still fit the DC tone but more centered(Johns and Burkes first projects). We'll see! Aquaman was already too far ahead to change course.
Also, understand, they need less people in advisory roles counter to what you've mentioned, not more! Hell that's likely been part of the problem! Too much people giving their opinions and ideas.

For example some people actually thinks K. Feige makes all the decisions over there at Disney/Marvel. But you and I know that's not true. So that shows "ONE VOICE" one person pretty much sets the tone/vision and everyone contributes to how to get it accomplished. That's the winning formula for a cinematic Universe.

But see that is EXACTLY my point Feige has a loyal group of smart people but HE is the final voice.

and he has final say...Movies and TV.

So I like how he had Coogler help with Civil War and the Russo Brothers are helping with Black Panther and they do THAT all the time, they don't really care about anything more than the FINAL PRODUCT being great and love the fans.

I am NOT saying DC doesn't care but they haven't been able to PRESENT that to even their CORE audience.

And here is the WORST thing DC/WB allowed to happen...

a loss of FAITH.

You can almost NEVER get that back.

At this point Marvel just gets the benefit of the doubt even IF the product is sub par..

DC now has to hit a damn HOME RUN for like 4 movies straight just be somewhat trusted.
 
And here is the WORST thing DC/WB allowed to happen...

a loss of FAITH.


You can almost NEVER get that back.

At this point Marvel just gets the benefit of the doubt even IF the product is sub par..

DC now has to hit a damn HOME RUIN for like 4 movies straight just be somewhat trusted.

Fam,

Come on it's movies not church! Further, it's DC and not some other studio including Marvel. If there is one studio that can afford to not get off to a great start and still recover it's Direct Comics. Btw, those words aren't mines but K.Feige and I believe you trust what he says.

There is a reason the internet STILL makes noise when a DC property like The Batman loses it's director etc. There is a reason why so many articles and blogger videos etc put a negative slant to DC news. There is a reason why BvS is the 2nd most pirated movie in 2016. Number 1 being Deadpool and number 3 being Civil War.(Think about that company. Think about where's X-men on that list?) There is a reason why Rebirth is one of the most successful comic book reboots in history. Simply put because the brand is ridiculously popular. Does that sound like something that's has lost faith? Thus...

Honestly, If WW and JL are good enough movies. Then likely it means they found a balance in how to present their movies and it only goes up from there. Assuming they stick with it!
 
Fam,

Come on it's movies not church! Further, it's DC and not some other studio including Marvel. If there is one studio that can afford to not get off to a great start and still recover it's Direct Comics. Btw, those words aren't mines but K.Feige and I believe you trust what he says.

There is a reason the internet STILL makes noise when a DC property like The Batman loses it's director etc. There is a reason why so many articles and blogger videos etc put a negative slant to DC news. There is a reason why BvS is the 2nd most pirated movie in 2016. Number 1 being Deadpool and number 3 being Civil War.(Think about that company. Think about where's X-men on that list?) There is a reason why Rebirth is one of the most successful comic book reboots in history. Simply put because the brand is ridiculously popular. Does that sound like something that's has lost faith? Thus...

Honestly, If WW and JL are good enough movies. Then likely it means they found a balance in how to present their movies and it only goes up from there. Assuming they stick with it!


OK lets go the other way...

If Affleck leaves, WW and JL flop what then?
 
OK lets go the other way...

If Affleck leaves, WW and JL flop what then?

If Affleck leaves then I'm not sure what that means. Obviously, it could be studio/project related or it could be related to his personal life(which apparently is in shambles) or it could be a combo of the two.

If WW and JL flop and assuming it's not bullshit criticisms. Then it likely means they haven't learned from the previous movies. How to make both a financially successful(check) AND critically acclaimed movie.

There would have to be some sort of change including up to rebooting the universe. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing DC create its own movie studio like Marvel and get away from the greedy WB Executives that likely make decisions based solely on how much money vs. what kind of quality.


 
If Affleck leaves then I'm not sure what that means. Obviously, it could be studio/project related or it could be related to his personal life(which apparently is in shambles) or it could be a combo of the two.

If WW and JL flop and assuming it's not bullshit criticisms. Then it likely means they haven't learned from the previous movies. How to make both a financially successful(check) AND critically acclaimed movie.

There would have to be some sort of change including up to rebooting the universe. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing DC create its own movie studio like Marvel and get away from the greedy WB Executives that likely make decisions based solely on how much money vs. what kind of quality.


and you think THAT string of failure...

would BUILD BRAND LOYALTY and CONSUMER CONFIDENCE?
 
If Affleck leaves then I'm not sure what that means. Obviously, it could be studio/project related or it could be related to his personal life(which apparently is in shambles) or it could be a combo of the two.

If WW and JL flop and assuming it's not bullshit criticisms. Then it likely means they haven't learned from the previous movies. How to make both a financially successful(check) AND critically acclaimed movie.

There would have to be some sort of change including up to rebooting the universe. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing DC create its own movie studio like Marvel and get away from the greedy WB Executives that likely make decisions based solely on how much money vs. what kind of quality.


I think we need to define flop. If a movie meets or exceeds financial expections it's a hit.

If movie falls below or bottoms out in terms of expectations it's a flop.


A lot of people hated the Star Wars prequels, but no one would call them a flop.

Red Tails in the other hand was a complete flop, as stated by Lucas himself.
 
i wouldn't even do that..u see how watchmen was?? i'll juss start using graphic novels or characters a lot of people don't kno but who have good stories and juss do stand alone films.. watchmen was an example...suicide squad could've been that if they didn't completely fuck it up.. juss get the b list shit burn.. unfamiliar characters can be big hits if they do it rite..make it grimey... deadpool is kinda like that(even though it's a comedy) but it's in its own world and it's like a stand alone flick..need more of that..this is where dc could shine if they decided to go back to the drawing board


Iron Man was a C-list character for Marvel before the movie came out and the first movie was well received,he's one of the most recognized Marvel characters on the planet.


to be fair I dd not read the entire exchange...like you said

I was JUST going on that ONE point.

but I think I've said this to you before, NO ONE who is a REAL comic book fan WANTS DC to fail in any way.

but WB/DC makes it harder and harder to NOT be hyper critical.

And sadly to be honest...a lot of it has NOTHING to do with the ACTUAL Directors ACTORS and talent ...

it seems the execs are the issue.

Cause I will agree with one thing you said earlier...

if you DO read interviews and watch the deleted scenes and directors cuts?

Its like they are COMPLETELY different films.

But that really densest matter...we gotta judge THEM and EVERYTHING else on what they actually put out there on the screen.

If a girl talks dirty to you for WEEKS about all the nasty freaky things she is gonna do to you

and the night FINALLY comes..and she just lies there?

And afterward she has a HUGE smile on her face and turns to you filled with pride ans says

"Was it good or you?"

How would YOU feel?


Not only,the higher up are a problem,they're trying to put 3 or 4 storylines into one movie and rushing shit.

I read somewhere that the writer wrote the script for Suicide Squad in six weeks....I'm like...wtf :confused::smh:


I don't know much about writing a script,but don't the first draft usually take 10-12 weeks :dunno:
 
and you think THAT string of failure...

would BUILD BRAND LOYALTY and CONSUMER CONFIDENCE?

Wait I thought we were talking hypothetically here? When did Affleck leave and WW and JL come out and fail? Obviously, nothing is fool proof! But let's also not act like this hasn't happened before. Last I checked Marvel made movies before this current run that weren't world beaters and look at them now.
 
Fam,

Come on it's movies not church! Further, it's DC and not some other studio including Marvel. If there is one studio that can afford to not get off to a great start and still recover it's Direct Comics. Btw, those words aren't mines but K.Feige and I believe you trust what he says.

There is a reason the internet STILL makes noise when a DC property like The Batman loses it's director etc. There is a reason why so many articles and blogger videos etc put a negative slant to DC news. There is a reason why BvS is the 2nd most pirated movie in 2016. Number 1 being Deadpool and number 3 being Civil War.(Think about that company. Think about where's X-men on that list?) There is a reason why Rebirth is one of the most successful comic book reboots in history. Simply put because the brand is ridiculously popular. Does that sound like something that's has lost faith? Thus...

Honestly, If WW and JL are good enough movies. Then likely it means they found a balance in how to present their movies and it only goes up from there. Assuming they stick with it!
lmao the most pirated movie in 2016... sharknado 2 was the most watched flick in sci fi channel history dosen't mean it was good it juss means people were curious to see what all the controversy was about..the ben silent treatment during his interview, the consistant bashing of bvs by critics, tons and tons of bvs internet segments of it getting shitting on, negative meme's, the save martha movement, word of mouth of negatives, etc, made this movie a must watch or pirated flick cause people wanted to see was it really that bad..truss some people were more into seeing if the hype of it being garbage than the actual hype of it being bvs...lol most pirated flick means nothing..notice it wasn't the best seller.. people rather watch it for free than to support it
 
I think we need to define flop. If a movie meets or exceeds financial expections it's a hit.

If movie falls below or bottoms out in terms of expectations it's a flop.


A lot of people hated the Star Wars prequels, but no one would call them a flop.

Red Tails in the other hand was a complete flop, as stated by Lucas himself.
a movie can meet or exceed financial expectation and not be a hit - if it exceeds the expectation by x% then its a hit
Deadpool grossing $190 million would exceed expectations for a Feb release and a $60 mill movie and be good profit but not a hit - XMen First Class met expectations but wasn't a hit
to me a flop is vague - it could be a movie that under performs its expectations financially but still turns a profit
but A dud / bomb is unmistakable- it loses money - doesn't make break even $
 
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I think we need to define flop. If a movie meets or exceeds financial expections it's a hit.

If movie falls below or bottoms out in terms of expectations it's a flop.


A lot of people hated the Star Wars prequels, but no one would call them a flop.

Red Tails in the other hand was a complete flop, as stated by Lucas himself.

Sorry, you have to define this for the masses. You would think it's obvious! None of the movies WB/DC has made so far has been flops. That's why when you have people talking about failure. It leaves you scratching your head?
 
Wait I thought we were talking hypothetically here? When did Affleck leave and WW and JL come out and fail? Obviously, nothing is fool proof! But let's also not act like this hasn't happened before. Last I checked Marvel made movies before this current run that weren't world beaters and look at them now.

I thought we WERE talking hypothetical...that is the whole discussion.

I said clearly IF....What then?

and your follow up statement...You JUST proved my point....

You can't compare DC to Marvel at this point because Marvel has the FAITH of the audience comic books and non fans.

So even a Marvel lay up? gets MORE credit and puts even MORE good will in the bank.

while every CONTINUED stumble and f(ck up by DC/WB just puts THAT much more pressure on them.
 
if true bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


i said it b4 i told you guys from the very start bvs was a stupid idea period..the smart human vs jesus from out of space makes no fucking sense due to the greatness that was the zod fight..no way do u go from that to fighting a human..people on this board said i don't kno wtf i was talking about bvs was a great idea it's gonne be a billion dollar smash yadda yadda..now look at where we are now bwahaaaaaaaaaa... all they had to do was come out with man of steel 2..but no they wanted to bring in the human who everybody knows won't die so the battle made no goddamn sense...lol this is 1 of the greatest i told you so ever..lmao this will hands down as the biggest failure ever..bizzaro, brainac , doomsday, anybody could've been in man of steel 2 but nope bvs comes out and the worst enemy was themselves...tears from infinite laughter is comin out..i was totally against the idea and from the looks of it warner bros wish they could turn back the hands of time...dumbest idea ever bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You don't know what you talking about homie. The idea is great they just fucked it up. Batman has a can of whip ass for every super hero. He's a fucking genius too. He's Ironman with an attitude.
 
Sorry, you have to define this for the masses. You would think it's obvious! None of the movies WB/DC has made so far has been flops. That's why when you have people talking about failure. It leaves you scratching your head?
failure as it was disappointing...if u was selling cheeseburgers and u had a line of over 300 people around the block waiting to buy them and every1 buys at least 1 it was successful as far as sells..but if most people were like this burger tasted like crap or it wasn't really that good and said they doubt they'll eat it again and start putting the word of mouth that my burgers aren't good that equals failure.. yeah the money good on that day but for the long haul that shit will effect my future sales and can completely fuck up my bizzness... that was bvs in a nutshell
 
I thought we WERE talking hypothetical...that is the whole discussion.

I said clearly IF....What then?

and your follow up statement...You JUST proved my point....

You can't compare DC to Marvel at this point because Marvel has the FAITH of the audience comic books and non fans.

So even a Marvel lay up? gets MORE credit and puts even MORE good will in the bank.

while every CONTINUED stumble and f(ck up by DC/WB just puts THAT much more pressure on them.


At this point, it's a wait and see position. Wait for WW and wait for JL and see what happens. It's really that simple. The drama is one thing. But, ultimately what's the product look like? We'll find out in a few months.
 
At this point, it's a wait and see position. Wait for WW and wait for JL and see what happens. It's really that simple. The drama is one thing. But, ultimately what's the product look like? We'll find out in a few months.

that's all we can do, and I hope for the best...

cause I'm hearing Booster Gold is coming up next, Black Lighting, Constantine...

NOBODY wants DC to fail...but no one wants them to continue failing also cause they ARE hurting the legacy's
 
watching it and paying to see it are 2 diff things;)...i was part of the pirated bvs community tical was talking about..i wasn't part of the 855 million dollar contributors..long live free

The only movie I ever saw from him was the Mad Max series and even then I don't remember 90% of it....
 
I thought we WERE talking hypothetical...that is the whole discussion.

I said clearly IF....What then?

and your follow up statement...You JUST proved my point....

You can't compare DC to Marvel at this point because Marvel has the FAITH of the audience comic books and non fans.

So even a Marvel lay up? gets MORE credit and puts even MORE good will in the bank.

while every CONTINUED stumble and f(ck up by DC/WB just puts THAT much more pressure on them.
IMO both Thor fliks (mediocre numbers) and Iron Man 2 and 3 (very profitable) weren't good... but Marvel Disney wasn't telling the public they were 3 movies away from a major event to be on par with Avengers: Infinity and attempting to beat Marvel Disney to the punch the way DC did as they went into BvS
But then according to rumors these guys were never interested in telling a good story
 
The only movie I ever saw from him was the Mad Max series and even then I don't remember 90% of it....
wait u never saw lethal weapon:eek2:... on some real shit that apocalypto:yes::yes: was some good shit..hell u can juss start watching when the tribe decide to "let go" of the survivors..oh man epic chase scene
 


https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suic...o-director-suicide-squad-2-for-warner-a148967



I'm not watching Suicide Squad 2,if Mel Gibson is the director....


The only movie I ever saw from him was the Mad Max series and even then I don't remember 90% of it....
if this happens -I'm in
Suggested viewing for you - Apocalypto

@ViCiouS

predicted this sh*t exactly.
:lol:- if this happens - watch- I bet it will be the best flick in DCEU
AND Oscar nominated for best picture too!!! :roflmao2:

the more I think of it... the more I love the idea of a Mel Gibson Will Smith team up
 
wait u never saw lethal weapon:eek2:... on some real shit that apocalypto:yes::yes: was some good shit..hell u can juss start watching when the tribe decide to "let go" of the survivors..oh man epic chase scene


Nope,ever saw any of the Lethal Weapons movies.There are certain people I won't watch,if they're name is attached to a movie project.

I will never see a Roman Polanski movie,Woody Allen movie,Mel Gibson movie,John Wayne movie,there are a few others,but those are the main four.
 


https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suic...o-director-suicide-squad-2-for-warner-a148967

I'm not watching Suicide Squad 2,if Mel Gibson is the director....


Suprising! But before ya'll do the typical BGOL thing let's see how it turns out. Also, let's not forget how many previous directors had CBM making experience in the Marvel or Fox universe before they were approached? Exactly! I don't think anyone would question his directing talent. The other stuff...I'll stay away from that.
 
Nope,ever saw any of the Lethal Weapons movies.There are certain people I won't watch,if they're name is attached to a movie project.

I will never see a Roman Polanski movie,Woody Allen movie,Mel Gibson movie,John Wayne movie,there are a few others,but those are the main four.
i got u
 
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