Official NBA 2016-2017 Thread - 30 teams, 1 goal. 2 weeks left, so much can happen!!

They let Hortford get away for nothing; They have been trending downwards for the last couple of years; They are stuck in the middle; not wanting to rebuild but not improving as a team;


Well it was either Al or Paul, but with maybe with the increase of $$$$ they know they won't be able to keep Paul after he decided to opt out
 
Well it was either Al or Paul, but with maybe with the increase of $$$$ they know they won't be able to keep Paul after he decided to opt out
Well if you gonna trade Milsap why even sign Howard?? A front office has got to know that Milsap will opt with the way the NBA money has skyrocketed; Thats just poor planning on their part; because again if you trade Milsap, might as well go into full rebuild mode; so what was the purpose of signing Howard if you going to full rebuild mode???
 
Well if you gonna trade Milsap why even sign Howard?? A front office has got to know that Milsap will opt with the way the NBA money has skyrocketed; Thats just poor planning on their part; because again if you trade Milsap, might as well go into full rebuild mode; so what was the purpose of signing Howard if you going to full rebuild mode???



I agree maybe Dwight was/is a backup plan, maybe they gonna resign Paul
 
The @WashWizards' @JohnWall (24.3ppg 13apg) & @HoustonRockets' @JHarden13 (37.3ppg 12.5apg 9.8rpg) named #NBA Players of the Week!



 
I don't care what anyone says "One-and Dones" are diluting the hell out the league. Yet people want them to allow high schoolers in. Hell naw. Even that dude Zion Williamson wouldn't be all that dope coming out of HS. Stop the nonsense.
 
Well if you gonna trade Milsap why even sign Howard?? A front office has got to know that Milsap will opt with the way the NBA money has skyrocketed; Thats just poor planning on their part; because again if you trade Milsap, might as well go into full rebuild mode; so what was the purpose of signing Howard if you going to full rebuild mode???

Yeah, sadly it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Ferry was still the GM. They probably thought that they would have had a chance to sign Howard and re-sign Horford.

But to answer your question....

1. To improve their rebounding because the Hawks have not had a true center worthy of a roster spot in years.

2. To sign a potential All- Star caliber player who could create a buzz and that would fill some seats.

3. To offset Tristan Thompson' boards in the post-season.

I think that the Hawks are the only team in the league to have a winning record against winning teams and a losing record against losing teams....if that makes sense. To me, an aging under 20 points a night Korver to go along with an under 10 points a night Kent Bustmore is part of the larger problem too. :angry:
 
NBA PER: Giannis Antetokounmpo Moves Up To No. 2
JAN 3, 2017 11:42 AM

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Giannis Antetokounmpo has moved up to second in the NBA in PER at 28.8 behind Russell Westbrook at 30.3. Antetokounmpo has been steadily moving up the leaderboard over the past few weeks, ranking fourth last Tuesday.

James Harden, DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis round out the top-5.

Week 10 Rankings
1. Russell Westbrook: 30.3
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 28.8
3. James Harden: 28.5
4. DeMarcus Cousins: 27.8
5. Anthony Davis: 27.7
6. Kevin Durant: 27.4
7. Chris Paul: 27.3
8. Isaiah Thomas: 26.9
9. Kawhi Leonard: 26.7
10. Jimmy Butler: 26.6
11. LeBron James: 26.3
12. George Hill: 25.8
13. DeMar DeRozan: 24.8
14. Kevin Love: 24.7
15. Damian Lillard: 24.6
16. Kyle Lowry: 24.2
17. John Wall: 23.9
18. Enes Kanter: 23.7
19. Stephen Curry: 23.4
20. JaVale McGee: 23.3
 
Yeah, sadly it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Ferry was still the GM. They probably thought that they would have had a chance to sign Howard and re-sign Horford.

But to answer your question....

1. To improve their rebounding because the Hawks have not had a true center worthy of a roster spot in years.

2. To sign a potential All- Star caliber player who could create a buzz and that would fill some seats.

3. To offset Tristan Thompson' boards in the post-season.

I think that the Hawks are the only team in the league to have a winning record against winning teams and a losing record against losing teams....if that makes sense. To me, an aging under 20 points a night Korver to go along with an under 10 points a night Kent Bustmore is part of the larger problem too. :angry:
I agree and Im not saying that shouldnt have signed Howard; Im saying if you going to trade Milsap, then there was no need to sign him; Now, Im saying that based off them not getting full value back, and/or getting younger not ready to compete talent back; so if you go that route then might as well go full rebuild mode; Also I always thought Kent would be better served coming off the bench; Hawks are stuck in the middle to low end(in terms of good teams) so I guess I see why they are thinking about trading Milsap....
 
I agree and Im not saying that shouldnt have signed Howard; Im saying if you going to trade Milsap, then there was no need to sign him; Now, Im saying that based off them not getting full value back, and/or getting younger not ready to compete talent back; so if you go that route then might as well go full rebuild mode; Also I always thought Kent would be better served coming off the bench; Hawks are stuck in the middle to low end(in terms of good teams) so I guess I see why they are thinking about trading Milsap....


Well it's either
* get something for him
*sign him this offseason
*he signs elsewhere


Kent is very interesting
 


What do you think about these situations....

Remember I fucks with Bron Bron so his squad normally comes first...

A few trades....


Cavs & Hawks
Love for Millsap(kinda the same player)


Spurs & Hawks
Aldridge for Millsap


Sixers & Hawks
Noel, ????? For Millsap


I think this could be the nasty


Bucks & Hawks
???? For Millsap
 
What do you think about these situations....

Remember I fucks with Bron Bron so his squad normally comes first...

A few trades....


Cavs & Hawks
Love for Millsap(kinda the same player)


Spurs & Hawks
Aldridge for Millsap


Sixers & Hawks
Noel, ????? For Millsap


I think this could be the nasty


Bucks & Hawks
???? For Millsap

I dont think Cavs would trade for Milsap because of how Love has been playing; I do think that would be an improvement for the Cavs though ultimately; I dont think ATL would want Love though..

Now that Spurs trade would benefit Spurs more than the Hawks; I think he would fit on the Spurs well; I dont think he makes them better than GS though; Might make them better than a healthy Clips team; I dont think Aldridge would fit well with the Hawks though; And Hawks kinda got a similar mindset of the Spurs, so Im not sure they would want Aldridge, if the Spurs dont want him..

Sixers not going to do it because he doesnt really help them or fit the direction they are going in..

Bucks would greatly benefit with Milsap; Like you said would be nasty; I think he would take them up their right with Toronto and Boston; But they dont really have anyone to give up; ATL isnt going to take Monroe and Bucks not giving up Greek or Parker..

I personally think the ideal fit for Milsap would be Toronto; they need a PF; and his passing defense and outside shooting would go great with that team; Im not sure they would be willing to sacrifice their depth though; so the price would be steep; but I think they would be a legitimate challenge to Cavs if they got him..
 
Kevin Durant Is a Serious Defensive Player of the Year Candidate


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KD's offensive game is great, but it's about time we pay attention to his defense.
A few weeks back, I wrote about how Kevin Durant is having the best season of his career. I talked a lot about his scoring, shooting and advanced numbers. However, his defensive numbers were only touched on briefly.

Durant's defense could've just been a product of a small-ish sample size, or maybe it was solely due to an increase in pace with the lightning quick Golden State Warriors. For whatever reason, it wasn't covered in great detail, which was the wrong thing to do.

A Big Man's Night
In Wednesday night's hard-fought 121-111 win over the Toronto Raptors, Durant showcased his offensive ability, finishing the contest with 22 points on 8 of 15 from the floor and 3 of 5 from beyond the arc. He even tallied 7 assists in his 38 minutes on the court, but, though it might be hard to believe, Durant's defense was better than his offense.

He didn't have any steals, but the lanky 6'11" (or 7', depending on who you ask) forward blocked five shots, including this dismissive rejection of a DeMar DeRozan dunk attempt.


A couple of his blocks were as authoritative as any center you'll see in the game today -- or even in years past.

Since 1983-84, Durant became the 10th player ever to post 22 points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists and 5 blocks in a game. Take a look at the caliber of players we're talking about here.

Since 1983-84 Instances
Shaquille O'Neal 5
Hakeem Olajuwon 2
Charles Barkley 2
Kevin Garnett 2
David Robinson 1
Karl Malone 1
Robert Parish 1
Danny Manning 1
DeMarcus Cousins 1

Each of those nine players were power forwards, centers or a combination of the two in their careers. They lived around the basket, sucking up rebounds and blocking shots on the regular.

Up until now, you could say Durant is an anomaly, as a tall small forward with guard-type skills -- and you'd be right. But according to Basketball Reference, Durant has played 58% of his minutes this season at the power forward position. His previous high was 26% a year ago.

This means that when Durant's at the four, Draymond Green is at the five in Steve Kerr's small-ball lineup. Green, at 6'7", is no ordinary type of rim-protecting center -- the one we envision blocking shots into the third row. That being the case, it's almost as if Durant is that player and he's the leader of the Warriors' defense.

If you want to say otherwise, last night's box score will disagree. In the Golden State victory, Durant had five of the Warriors' nine total blocks and led the team with a defensive rating of 98 points allowed per 100 possessions. The next-closest player was Green, at 109.

In a nutshell, that's how this season's gone.

A DPOY-Caliber Season
Granted, Draymond still leads the Warriors in defensive rating, allowing just 98 points per 100 possessions, and is tied for second in the league in that category. Durant does have a season-long rating of 100, though -- tying a career-low while also slotting him eighth among all NBA players.

As far as rim-protecting goes, Durant is now averaging 1.6 blocks per game, accounting for 25.4% of the team's league-leading 6.3 per game. At this point, the team's total blocks are up 3.8% from where they were a year ago with the services of Andrew Bogut. Draymond, with 1.3 a game, is the only other Warrior with more than a block per outing.

Not that these two are competing, but Durant and Green are pretty even, as evidenced by their 2.2 defensive win shares apiece. In terms of defensive box plus-minus, however, Green has a commanding 5.0 to 2.6 advantage.

If we turn to on/off numbers to answer the question of whether Durant or Green is playing better defensively, Durant would be the guy.

With Draymond off the floor, teams actually shoot at an effective field goal percentage 2% worse than they do with him on (48.8%). They also have a higher offensive and total rebounding percentage in his time on the court, as well.

In contrast, the Warriors have a better defensive rebounding rate (75.6%) when Durant's on the floor and allow a lower effective field goal percentage (47.6%). This, combined with his offensive impact, makes up a difference of -6.9 in net rating with Durant off versus on the floor, compared to Green's -5.2 (via NBA.com).

This is not to say Durant's going to win Defensive Player of the Year. If I had to put my money on it, Green would be my prediction (at least, between the two). Durant's likely to lose votes for his offensive reputation and for the fact that he's Green's teammate.

This does not mean Durant isn't worthy of consideration, though. Depending on which way you look at it and what metrics you're reading into, he could be the better defender so far this season.

Either way, Durant's filled a void for the Warriors as a shot-blocker and he has played his role really well so far. Whether he or Green fight for Defensive Player of the Year accolades is completely irrelevant in the bigger picture. The duo is a force to be reckoned with for opposing offenses, and Kevin Durant is a big reason why.

@Mask and @largebillsonlyplease what you all think about this???
 
Damn they showing KD mad love
Kevin Durant Is a Serious Defensive Player of the Year Candidate


12151_a11.jpg
KD's offensive game is great, but it's about time we pay attention to his defense.
A few weeks back, I wrote about how Kevin Durant is having the best season of his career. I talked a lot about his scoring, shooting and advanced numbers. However, his defensive numbers were only touched on briefly.

Durant's defense could've just been a product of a small-ish sample size, or maybe it was solely due to an increase in pace with the lightning quick Golden State Warriors. For whatever reason, it wasn't covered in great detail, which was the wrong thing to do.

A Big Man's Night
In Wednesday night's hard-fought 121-111 win over the Toronto Raptors, Durant showcased his offensive ability, finishing the contest with 22 points on 8 of 15 from the floor and 3 of 5 from beyond the arc. He even tallied 7 assists in his 38 minutes on the court, but, though it might be hard to believe, Durant's defense was better than his offense.

He didn't have any steals, but the lanky 6'11" (or 7', depending on who you ask) forward blocked five shots, including this dismissive rejection of a DeMar DeRozan dunk attempt.


A couple of his blocks were as authoritative as any center you'll see in the game today -- or even in years past.

Since 1983-84, Durant became the 10th player ever to post 22 points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists and 5 blocks in a game. Take a look at the caliber of players we're talking about here.

Since 1983-84 Instances
Shaquille O'Neal 5
Hakeem Olajuwon 2
Charles Barkley 2
Kevin Garnett 2
David Robinson 1
Karl Malone 1
Robert Parish 1
Danny Manning 1
DeMarcus Cousins 1

Each of those nine players were power forwards, centers or a combination of the two in their careers. They lived around the basket, sucking up rebounds and blocking shots on the regular.

Up until now, you could say Durant is an anomaly, as a tall small forward with guard-type skills -- and you'd be right. But according to Basketball Reference, Durant has played 58% of his minutes this season at the power forward position. His previous high was 26% a year ago.

This means that when Durant's at the four, Draymond Green is at the five in Steve Kerr's small-ball lineup. Green, at 6'7", is no ordinary type of rim-protecting center -- the one we envision blocking shots into the third row. That being the case, it's almost as if Durant is that player and he's the leader of the Warriors' defense.

If you want to say otherwise, last night's box score will disagree. In the Golden State victory, Durant had five of the Warriors' nine total blocks and led the team with a defensive rating of 98 points allowed per 100 possessions. The next-closest player was Green, at 109.

In a nutshell, that's how this season's gone.

A DPOY-Caliber Season
Granted, Draymond still leads the Warriors in defensive rating, allowing just 98 points per 100 possessions, and is tied for second in the league in that category. Durant does have a season-long rating of 100, though -- tying a career-low while also slotting him eighth among all NBA players.

As far as rim-protecting goes, Durant is now averaging 1.6 blocks per game, accounting for 25.4% of the team's league-leading 6.3 per game. At this point, the team's total blocks are up 3.8% from where they were a year ago with the services of Andrew Bogut. Draymond, with 1.3 a game, is the only other Warrior with more than a block per outing.

Not that these two are competing, but Durant and Green are pretty even, as evidenced by their 2.2 defensive win shares apiece. In terms of defensive box plus-minus, however, Green has a commanding 5.0 to 2.6 advantage.

If we turn to on/off numbers to answer the question of whether Durant or Green is playing better defensively, Durant would be the guy.

With Draymond off the floor, teams actually shoot at an effective field goal percentage 2% worse than they do with him on (48.8%). They also have a higher offensive and total rebounding percentage in his time on the court, as well.

In contrast, the Warriors have a better defensive rebounding rate (75.6%) when Durant's on the floor and allow a lower effective field goal percentage (47.6%). This, combined with his offensive impact, makes up a difference of -6.9 in net rating with Durant off versus on the floor, compared to Green's -5.2 (via NBA.com).

This is not to say Durant's going to win Defensive Player of the Year. If I had to put my money on it, Green would be my prediction (at least, between the two). Durant's likely to lose votes for his offensive reputation and for the fact that he's Green's teammate.

This does not mean Durant isn't worthy of consideration, though. Depending on which way you look at it and what metrics you're reading into, he could be the better defender so far this season.

Either way, Durant's filled a void for the Warriors as a shot-blocker and he has played his role really well so far. Whether he or Green fight for Defensive Player of the Year accolades is completely irrelevant in the bigger picture. The duo is a force to be reckoned with for opposing offenses, and Kevin Durant is a big reason why.

@Mask and @largebillsonlyplease what you all think about this???
 
Damn they showing KD mad love
I know right; but his defensive numbers are impressive; i was one of those who was on the fence about GS adding KD at first; I did feel like if he left he would go to GS or Miami at i posted as such; but before they lost to the Cavs, i didn't know if it would be worth them sacrificing some of their defense for him; i always knew he would fit offensively; but when i rewatched the playoffs games before the nba year started; and seen how he played defense in those games; i was like he will fit well; his defense gonna get better watch........
 
Kevin Durant Is a Serious Defensive Player of the Year Candidate


12151_a11.jpg
KD's offensive game is great, but it's about time we pay attention to his defense.
A few weeks back, I wrote about how Kevin Durant is having the best season of his career. I talked a lot about his scoring, shooting and advanced numbers. However, his defensive numbers were only touched on briefly.

Durant's defense could've just been a product of a small-ish sample size, or maybe it was solely due to an increase in pace with the lightning quick Golden State Warriors. For whatever reason, it wasn't covered in great detail, which was the wrong thing to do.

A Big Man's Night
In Wednesday night's hard-fought 121-111 win over the Toronto Raptors, Durant showcased his offensive ability, finishing the contest with 22 points on 8 of 15 from the floor and 3 of 5 from beyond the arc. He even tallied 7 assists in his 38 minutes on the court, but, though it might be hard to believe, Durant's defense was better than his offense.

He didn't have any steals, but the lanky 6'11" (or 7', depending on who you ask) forward blocked five shots, including this dismissive rejection of a DeMar DeRozan dunk attempt.


A couple of his blocks were as authoritative as any center you'll see in the game today -- or even in years past.

Since 1983-84, Durant became the 10th player ever to post 22 points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists and 5 blocks in a game. Take a look at the caliber of players we're talking about here.

Since 1983-84 Instances
Shaquille O'Neal 5
Hakeem Olajuwon 2
Charles Barkley 2
Kevin Garnett 2
David Robinson 1
Karl Malone 1
Robert Parish 1
Danny Manning 1
DeMarcus Cousins 1

Each of those nine players were power forwards, centers or a combination of the two in their careers. They lived around the basket, sucking up rebounds and blocking shots on the regular.

Up until now, you could say Durant is an anomaly, as a tall small forward with guard-type skills -- and you'd be right. But according to Basketball Reference, Durant has played 58% of his minutes this season at the power forward position. His previous high was 26% a year ago.

This means that when Durant's at the four, Draymond Green is at the five in Steve Kerr's small-ball lineup. Green, at 6'7", is no ordinary type of rim-protecting center -- the one we envision blocking shots into the third row. That being the case, it's almost as if Durant is that player and he's the leader of the Warriors' defense.

If you want to say otherwise, last night's box score will disagree. In the Golden State victory, Durant had five of the Warriors' nine total blocks and led the team with a defensive rating of 98 points allowed per 100 possessions. The next-closest player was Green, at 109.

In a nutshell, that's how this season's gone.

A DPOY-Caliber Season
Granted, Draymond still leads the Warriors in defensive rating, allowing just 98 points per 100 possessions, and is tied for second in the league in that category. Durant does have a season-long rating of 100, though -- tying a career-low while also slotting him eighth among all NBA players.

As far as rim-protecting goes, Durant is now averaging 1.6 blocks per game, accounting for 25.4% of the team's league-leading 6.3 per game. At this point, the team's total blocks are up 3.8% from where they were a year ago with the services of Andrew Bogut. Draymond, with 1.3 a game, is the only other Warrior with more than a block per outing.

Not that these two are competing, but Durant and Green are pretty even, as evidenced by their 2.2 defensive win shares apiece. In terms of defensive box plus-minus, however, Green has a commanding 5.0 to 2.6 advantage.

If we turn to on/off numbers to answer the question of whether Durant or Green is playing better defensively, Durant would be the guy.

With Draymond off the floor, teams actually shoot at an effective field goal percentage 2% worse than they do with him on (48.8%). They also have a higher offensive and total rebounding percentage in his time on the court, as well.

In contrast, the Warriors have a better defensive rebounding rate (75.6%) when Durant's on the floor and allow a lower effective field goal percentage (47.6%). This, combined with his offensive impact, makes up a difference of -6.9 in net rating with Durant off versus on the floor, compared to Green's -5.2 (via NBA.com).

This is not to say Durant's going to win Defensive Player of the Year. If I had to put my money on it, Green would be my prediction (at least, between the two). Durant's likely to lose votes for his offensive reputation and for the fact that he's Green's teammate.

This does not mean Durant isn't worthy of consideration, though. Depending on which way you look at it and what metrics you're reading into, he could be the better defender so far this season.

Either way, Durant's filled a void for the Warriors as a shot-blocker and he has played his role really well so far. Whether he or Green fight for Defensive Player of the Year accolades is completely irrelevant in the bigger picture. The duo is a force to be reckoned with for opposing offenses, and Kevin Durant is a big reason why.

@Mask and @largebillsonlyplease what you all think about this???

I think he shut down Draymond Green in the WCF (Shutting draymond down is a slightly different task and is just as hard as shutting down a scorer imo because Draymond is trying to get everyone else involved) at that point his defense was just not to be dismissed anymore. Just look at the impact Draymond had on the 2 series before the WCF
He had 3 games total with a minus grade in the 1st 2 rounds combined
he had 3 games with a minus against the thunder-
He only had a game over 6 assists 1 time in 7 games.
He had 20 turnovers in that series
and only 12 in the finals
he was -25 and up 2 times in that series
 
I think he shut down Draymond Green in the WCF (Shutting draymond down is a slightly different task and is just as hard as shutting down a scorer imo because Draymond is trying to get everyone else involved) at that point his defense was just not to be dismissed anymore. Just look at the impact Draymond had on the 2 series before the WCF
He had 3 games total with a minus grade in the 1st 2 rounds combined
he had 3 games with a minus against the thunder-
He only had a game over 6 assists 1 time in 7 games.
He had 20 turnovers in that series
and only 12 in the finals
he was -25 and up 2 times in that series
True..i think the article is clearly showing KD defense is underrated; and i think he as well as the team is going to get better; they will have better focus towards the end of the season and into the playoffs....
 
True..i think the article is clearly showing KD defense is underrated; and i think he as well as the team is going to get better; they will have better focus towards the end of the season and into the playoffs....


Yup, do u have them winning it all?
 
Yup, do u have them winning it all?
If they are healthy, yes; Picked them before the season and Im sticking with it; Nothing I have seen so far has discouraged me from that; People dont realize that the more and more they play together the better they will get; 6 new players and 2 new starters and look what they have done so far; I think Cavs will be there in the finals also unless they are unhealthy...
 
LeBron James is Kellerman's NBA MVP so far


Max Kellerman believes that because LeBron James gives his team the best chance to win an NBA title, he deserves to win MVP honors every year, including this season.




 
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