Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

More than that is that he had no personality. He didn't actually want anything. I can forgive him being impressionable. I truly can. I don't blame him or dislike him for that. it's that we don't know shit about him as far as anything lol. No personality. What the hell was he into other than pleasing other people and listening to what they say?

margaery pussy :lol:
 
Look at Tom's face

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that sums up his entire life.

:roflmao3:

what's the expression I heard someone here once say "sweetly retarded" :lol: reading up on his character in the earlier stages of the show...dude has always been described as being overly simple...just playing w/ kittens and shit lol
 
Game of Thrones Showrunners: We’re ‘Hurtling Towards’ the End
Sarah Begley @SCBegley
June 27, 2016


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"The pieces are on the board now"
Warning: This post contains spoilers from the sixth season ofGame of Thrones.

If the entire Game of Thronesseries constitutes one big chess match, we’re not far from the checkmate.

In an in-depth conversation with Deadline, showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss said they’ve had the show’s ending in mind since they first began adapting it from George R.R. Martin’s still-unfinished books. After the season six finale, which aired Sunday night, the series is entering its final stages before the big dénouement.

“We’ve known the end for quite some time and we’re hurtling towards it,” Benioff said. “Those last images from the show that aired last night showed that. Daenerys is finally coming back to Westeros; Jon Snow is king of the North and Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. And we know the Night King is up there, waiting for all of them. The pieces are on the board now. Some of the pieces have been removed from the board and we are heading toward the end game.”

The pair declined to give too many details about upcoming events on the next season — they wouldn’t say how the Wall’s magic would hold up to the White Walkers, for instance — but they did foretell a deep dive into Cersei’s mindset now that she sits on the Iron Throne. “While Cersei has certainly done a lot of horrible things in her life and she could be a very cruel person, the one thing that was redemptive about her was, she genuinely loved her children,” Weiss said. “Now they’re all gone, and I think that is very interesting for us. Who is she without her children? The answer is something you’ll find out next season.”

http://time.com/4384904/game-of-thrones-end-david-benioff-db-weiss/

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'Game of Thrones' season finale sets up epic conflicts
Bill Keveney
USA TODAY
5:45 p.m. EDT
June 27, 2016

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Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, right, and his lieutenant, Bronn (Jerome Flynn),
are shocked to see the destruction in Kings' Landing in HBO's 'Game of Thrones.'


Spoiler alert! This story contains significant details from the Game of Thrones Season 6 finale.

Sunday’s Game of Thrones finale has its stars asking what’s coming next, too.

The action- and story-packed Season 6 closer featured pivotal moments that reshape the Game, including Cersei Lannister blowing up much of Kings Landing and becoming queen; Jon Snow, with Sansa Stark at his side, consolidating power in the north; and Danys Targaryen forming alliances with Dorne, the Tyrells and the Greyjoys as she sails her new armada toward Westeros.

“You read the script and then you go, ‘How are they going to pull this off?’ ” saysNikolaj Coster-Waldau, who plays Cersei’s brother and lover, Jaime. “I just thought the direction was so good, the first 10, 15 minutes, watching the members of court getting dressed and ready for trial, the way (director Miguel Sapochnik) built up to the explosion was amazing.”



Jaime is "in shock and appalled" when he sees that Cersei has destroyed a major part of Kings Landing using wildfire, a nuclear bomb equivalent that he prevented an earlier king from using, Coster-Waldau says.

"I don't think he ever thought that Cersei would do such a thing," he says. "I can't wait to read the scripts for Season 7. I'm very curious to see how that relationship plays out, because he's the most loyal to his family and has done so many things for her and who knows what she's become now? She truly is terrifying, I think."



His Stark siblings, now growing into their power, will likely play major roles, too. Jon Snow has inspired growing allegiance as the king in the north, while Sansa has used her hard-earned political skills to ensure his battle victory. Arya, who was on another continent, is back in Westeros, gaining murderous vengeance against Walder Frey, the man behind the murders of her mother and brother at the Red Wedding.

Hempstead Wright can see the possibility of a family gathering.

"They're all on the same continent for once. Sansa and Jon are at Winterfell, Arya's not far from there. Bran is not far in the North," he says. "It all seems to be coming the way for a Stark reunion. I think they'd make quite the team."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...eason-finale-sets-up-epic-conflicts/86442754/
 
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what's the expression I heard someone here once say "sweetly retarded" :lol: reading up on his character in the earlier stages of the show...dude has always been described as being overly simple...just playing w/ kittens and shit lol

yea man that's all. in a world where a dude who says hodor can be interesting and impactful. Tom wasn't shit. and that makes me angry.
 
he was worried about her being hurt/killed during the battle not them possibly burning her...why is this even a debate? clearly he did not know...when he saw melisandre back @ the wall his worst suspicions had been "confirmed"...that is he thought they were killed in the battle...he had absolutely no reason to believe otherwise until he stumbled upon the deer while looking for a good place to shit I guess :lol:
Well gotdammit, he should have known. :angry:
right nobody knows a kid is going to get burned lol
What? Hell, they were stabbing babies in Season 1.:confused::lol:
 
“While Cersei has certainly done a lot of horrible things in her life and she could be a very cruel person, the one thing that was redemptive about her was, she genuinely loved her children,” Weiss said. “Now they’re all gone, and I think that is very interesting for us. Who is she without her children? The answer is something you’ll find out next season.”

I said this shit many pages back lol.
We bout to find out how much of it was the kids and how much of it is love between Jamie and Cersei.
She has power and 0 fucks to give. You can't dangle anything. Her kids, her father, her brother, power, there is nothing you can offer her to make her grant you mercy. Nothing. She ain't planning for tomorrow. Her legacy is dead.
Yea but he's going to just be a stepford husband and ignore all of it huh lol
 
Dunno if its been said already but... this season, we've seen how folks 'get their news' in Westeros.

That mini-play in Braavos in a prime example, imo. :yes:


Notice: Everything in that play was 'backwards'. :yes:

- King Joffrey was portrayed as a 'kind ruler'.
- Ned Stark was portrayed as a 'cowardly idiot'.
- Cersei was portrayed as a 'devoted, loving mother' with zero malicious feelings. (until Arya told Lady Crane how she would REALLY react to Joffrey's death)

So it kinda makes sense that Rhaegar & Lynna's relationship would also get 'twisted' into Kidnapping & Rape over many years... as more & more people told the story to different people. :yes:

Just my opinion.
Can you explain this part please?
 
8 details you might have missed in the 'Game of Thrones' finale
Kim Renfro

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The season six finale of "Game of Thrones" delivered several jaw-dropping sequences and some long-awaited reveals for book readers and show watchers alike. But — as usual — among the epic scenes of dragons and wildfire there were small details and references that the average viewer may have missed. We've gone through and pulled out the best of these "Game of Thrones" knowledge nuggets.

Scroll down for a look at the eight things you probably missed.


The Bolton sigil was removed from Winterfell in the opening credits.
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Ever since season four, the flayed man sigil of House Bolton has sat atop Winterfell during the animated title sequence. The broken Stark sigil could be seen on the ground next to the tower. But all the changed after episode nine, "The Battle of the Bastards," when Jon and Sansa finally defeated the Boltons.


Here's how Winterfell appeared during the finale credits:
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Fans were thrilled to see the Starks officially returned to power in the North.


Speaking of the Starks, Jon Snow's new nickname has a significant meaning.
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When Robb Stark was crowned King in the North back in season one, his men called him the Young Wolf. Now in season six, when Lord Wyman Manderly declared Jon Snow the King in the North, he referred to Jon as the "White Wolf." This nickname is more than just an allusion to Jon's albino direwolf, Ghost. It has ties to his bastard status.


Jon's new sigil as King in the North will be a reversal of House Stark's banner.
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In Westeros, bastards who take up their house banners must reverse the colors of the sigil. This custom is meant to signal the man's bastard status. House Stark's sigil is a gray direwolf on a white background, which means Jon Snow's banners will show a white wolf on a gray background. Jon Snow, the King in the North, will be known as the White Wolf. The fact that he owns a snowy direwolf is really just a foreshadowed cherry on top.


Arya Stark's highborn mannerisms betrayed her real identity.
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Some observant fans noticed that Walder Frey's servant girl was not who she appeared to be even before Arya revealed herself. Because Arya was raised highborn, she addresses other highborn men and women as "my lord" and "my lady." This is a dead giveaway when she's trying to pass herself off as a lowborn servant.


Tywin Lannister taught her this lesson back in season two.
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When Arya was posing as a young boy and serving as Tywin's cupbearer, he figured out she was lying very quickly. "Lowborn girls say m'lord, not my lord," Tywin told her. "If you're going to pose as a commoner you should it properly." The lesson didn't quite stick, clearly.


Arya's scene had another hidden reference: The Rat Cook.
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Feeding Walder Frey's two sons to him in a pie was actually an adapted storyline from the book series. Though Arya (and Lord Walder) aren't the key characters involved in the books, the showrunners clearly had this plan in mind for awhile. A big hint about the Freys' cannibalistic fate was given back in season three.


Bran Stark told the fable of the Rat Cook right after the Red Wedding.
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"The cook killed the king's son and cooked him into a big pie with onions, carrots, mushrooms and bacon," Bran told Meera and Jojen. "That night, he served the pie to the king. He liked the taste of his own son so much he asked for a second slice. The gods turned the cook into a giant white rat who could only eat his own young."

When Meera mocks Bran's concern about a common murderer being turned into a rat, Bran corrects her.

"It wasn't for murder the gods cursed the Rat Cook, or for serving the king's son in a pie," he says. "He killed a guest beneath his roof. That's something the gods can't forgive."

Bran tells this story right after Walder Frey and Roose Bolton kill the Starks at the Red Wedding. Walder Frey gave Robb, Catelyn, and their men bread and salt, the symbol of guest right in Westeros. By killing the Starks under his roof after feeding them, Walder violated the tradition of guest right. Now, three seasons later, Walder was punished for his crime against the Starks and the gods.


There was a neat Easter Egg in the Citadel library.
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This chandelier-looking contraption was hanging in the Citadel library when Sam entered. It seems to be built to reflect sunlight around the large room. Look familiar?


It looks exactly like the spinning astrolabe from the opening credits.
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Redditor Samurio noticed the similarities and uploaded screenshots to the /r/GameofThrones subreddit. This is likely a symbol of the vast knowledge contained in the Citadel. With thousands of books documenting the history of the world, maesters of the Citadel have the globe at the their fingertips.


Were you wondering how Varys managed to get back to Meereen so fast?
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In the finale episode, we saw Varys in Dorne with Ellaria Sand and Olenna Tyrell as they discussed an alliance. But at the end of the episode he was right behind Daenerys as she set sail for Westeros. The journey from Meereen to Dorne is a couple thousand miles, so how did he do it?


The show skipped ahead by a few weeks at least. We know because you can see Dornish ships among Daenerys' fleet.
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Dorne's sigil is a golden spear piercing a red sun on an orange background. You can spot this symbol among the fleet leaving Meereen. Varys went to Dorne in order to convince Ellaria Sand and Olenna Tyrell to join Daenerys. Because we see Dorne's ships among her Targaryen fleet and the Greyjoy ships, it's clear that a significant amount of time passed between Varys scene with the women of Dorne and Daenerys' departure.


The Tyrell fleet is present as well, meaning Lady Olenna has officially teamed up with the Mother of Dragons.
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House Tyrell's sigil, a golden rose on a green field, was also spotted behind Daenerys ships. For both the Martell AND Tyrell fleet to be there with Daenerys, we'd guess a solid month went by before that ending scene.


Tommen's final costume was a callback to the prophecy predicting his death.
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Back in the season five premiere, viewers watched as a young Cersei had her fortune told by a woman named Maggy the Frog. The witch told her that all three of her children would die. "Gold their crowns, and gold their shrouds," she said. Tommen was dressed in a golden jacket when he committed suicide by jumping from his window in the Red Keep. Cersei's prophecy is complete.

At least, the whole children dying bit is complete. Jaime could have an unpleasant destiny with Cersei in season seven if the fan theories about her prophecy are correct.


Sansa and Littlefinger's conversation was a reversal of a scene from season one.
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When Littlefinger approaches Sansa in the godswood of Winterfell, they were echoing a conversation between Catelyn and Ned Stark in season one. Remember, Littlefinger set the events of season one into motion when he convinced Lysa Arryn to poison her husband, Jon, and send a raven to Catelyn telling her it was the Lannisters' plot.


Catelyn told Ned the news of Jon Arryn's death in this exact same place.
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Sansa still doesn't seem to know Littlefinger was the one truly responsible for all the horrors done to her family. Not only was he the one who flared the rivalry between the Starks and Lannisters, but he betrayed Ned in King's Landing. Sansa's refusal of Littlefinger in this same sacred place her parents once stood was a poetic role reversal.

http://www.techinsider.io/game-of-thrones-episode-analysis-winds-of-winter-2016-6
 
8 details you might have missed in the 'Game of Thrones' finale
Kim Renfro

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The season six finale of "Game of Thrones" delivered several jaw-dropping sequences and some long-awaited reveals for book readers and show watchers alike. But — as usual — among the epic scenes of dragons and wildfire there were small details and references that the average viewer may have missed. We've gone through and pulled out the best of these "Game of Thrones" knowledge nuggets.

Scroll down for a look at the eight things you probably missed.


The Bolton sigil was removed from Winterfell in the opening credits.
the-bolton-sigil-was-removed-from-winterfell-in-the-opening-credits.jpg


Ever since season four, the flayed man sigil of House Bolton has sat atop Winterfell during the animated title sequence. The broken Stark sigil could be seen on the ground next to the tower. But all the changed after episode nine, "The Battle of the Bastards," when Jon and Sansa finally defeated the Boltons.


Here's how Winterfell appeared during the finale credits:
game%20of%20thrones%20winterfell%20opening%20sequence.gif


Fans were thrilled to see the Starks officially returned to power in the North.


Speaking of the Starks, Jon Snow's new nickname has a significant meaning.
speaking-of-the-starks-jon-snows-new-nickname-has-a-significant-meaning.jpg


When Robb Stark was crowned King in the North back in season one, his men called him the Young Wolf. Now in season six, when Lord Wyman Manderly declared Jon Snow the King in the North, he referred to Jon as the "White Wolf." This nickname is more than just an allusion to Jon's albino direwolf, Ghost. It has ties to his bastard status.


Jon's new sigil as King in the North will be a reversal of House Stark's banner.
jons-new-sigil-as-king-in-the-north-will-be-a-reversal-of-house-starks-banner.jpg


In Westeros, bastards who take up their house banners must reverse the colors of the sigil. This custom is meant to signal the man's bastard status. House Stark's sigil is a gray direwolf on a white background, which means Jon Snow's banners will show a white wolf on a gray background. Jon Snow, the King in the North, will be known as the White Wolf. The fact that he owns a snowy direwolf is really just a foreshadowed cherry on top.


Arya Stark's highborn mannerisms betrayed her real identity.
arya-starks-highborn-mannerisms-betrayed-her-real-identity.jpg


Some observant fans noticed that Walder Frey's servant girl was not who she appeared to be even before Arya revealed herself. Because Arya was raised highborn, she addresses other highborn men and women as "my lord" and "my lady." This is a dead giveaway when she's trying to pass herself off as a lowborn servant.


Tywin Lannister taught her this lesson back in season two.
tywin-lannister-taught-her-this-lesson-back-in-season-two.jpg


When Arya was posing as a young boy and serving as Tywin's cupbearer, he figured out she was lying very quickly. "Lowborn girls say m'lord, not my lord," Tywin told her. "If you're going to pose as a commoner you should it properly." The lesson didn't quite stick, clearly.


Arya's scene had another hidden reference: The Rat Cook.
aryas-scene-had-another-hidden-reference-the-rat-cook.jpg


Feeding Walder Frey's two sons to him in a pie was actually an adapted storyline from the book series. Though Arya (and Lord Walder) aren't the key characters involved in the books, the showrunners clearly had this plan in mind for awhile. A big hint about the Freys' cannibalistic fate was given back in season three.


Bran Stark told the fable of the Rat Cook right after the Red Wedding.
bran-stark-told-the-fable-of-the-rat-cook-right-after-the-red-wedding.jpg


"The cook killed the king's son and cooked him into a big pie with onions, carrots, mushrooms and bacon," Bran told Meera and Jojen. "That night, he served the pie to the king. He liked the taste of his own son so much he asked for a second slice. The gods turned the cook into a giant white rat who could only eat his own young."

When Meera mocks Bran's concern about a common murderer being turned into a rat, Bran corrects her.

"It wasn't for murder the gods cursed the Rat Cook, or for serving the king's son in a pie," he says. "He killed a guest beneath his roof. That's something the gods can't forgive."

Bran tells this story right after Walder Frey and Roose Bolton kill the Starks at the Red Wedding. Walder Frey gave Robb, Catelyn, and their men bread and salt, the symbol of guest right in Westeros. By killing the Starks under his roof after feeding them, Walder violated the tradition of guest right. Now, three seasons later, Walder was punished for his crime against the Starks and the gods.


There was a neat Easter Egg in the Citadel library.
there-was-a-neat-easter-egg-in-the-citadel-library.jpg


This chandelier-looking contraption was hanging in the Citadel library when Sam entered. It seems to be built to reflect sunlight around the large room. Look familiar?


It looks exactly like the spinning astrolabe from the opening credits.
it-looks-exactly-like-the-spinning-astrolabe-from-the-opening-credits.jpg


Redditor Samurio noticed the similarities and uploaded screenshots to the /r/GameofThrones subreddit. This is likely a symbol of the vast knowledge contained in the Citadel. With thousands of books documenting the history of the world, maesters of the Citadel have the globe at the their fingertips.


Were you wondering how Varys managed to get back to Meereen so fast?
were-you-wondering-how-varys-managed-to-get-back-to-meereen-so-fast.jpg


In the finale episode, we saw Varys in Dorne with Ellaria Sand and Olenna Tyrell as they discussed an alliance. But at the end of the episode he was right behind Daenerys as she set sail for Westeros. The journey from Meereen to Dorne is a couple thousand miles, so how did he do it?


The show skipped ahead by a few weeks at least. We know because you can see Dornish ships among Daenerys' fleet.
the-show-skipped-ahead-by-a-few-weeks-at-least-we-know-because-you-can-see-dornish-ships-among-daenerys-fleet.jpg


Dorne's sigil is a golden spear piercing a red sun on an orange background. You can spot this symbol among the fleet leaving Meereen. Varys went to Dorne in order to convince Ellaria Sand and Olenna Tyrell to join Daenerys. Because we see Dorne's ships among her Targaryen fleet and the Greyjoy ships, it's clear that a significant amount of time passed between Varys scene with the women of Dorne and Daenerys' departure.


The Tyrell fleet is present as well, meaning Lady Olenna has officially teamed up with the Mother of Dragons.
the-tyrell-fleet-is-present-as-well-meaning-lady-olenna-has-officially-teamed-up-with-the-mother-of-dragons.jpg


House Tyrell's sigil, a golden rose on a green field, was also spotted behind Daenerys ships. For both the Martell AND Tyrell fleet to be there with Daenerys, we'd guess a solid month went by before that ending scene.


Tommen's final costume was a callback to the prophecy predicting his death.
tommens-final-costume-was-a-callback-to-the-prophecy-predicting-his-death.jpg


Back in the season five premiere, viewers watched as a young Cersei had her fortune told by a woman named Maggy the Frog. The witch told her that all three of her children would die. "Gold their crowns, and gold their shrouds," she said. Tommen was dressed in a golden jacket when he committed suicide by jumping from his window in the Red Keep. Cersei's prophecy is complete.

At least, the whole children dying bit is complete. Jaime could have an unpleasant destiny with Cersei in season seven if the fan theories about her prophecy are correct.


Sansa and Littlefinger's conversation was a reversal of a scene from season one.
sansa-and-littlefingers-conversation-was-a-reversal-of-a-scene-from-season-one.jpg


When Littlefinger approaches Sansa in the godswood of Winterfell, they were echoing a conversation between Catelyn and Ned Stark in season one. Remember, Littlefinger set the events of season one into motion when he convinced Lysa Arryn to poison her husband, Jon, and send a raven to Catelyn telling her it was the Lannisters' plot.


Catelyn told Ned the news of Jon Arryn's death in this exact same place.
catelyn-told-ned-the-news-of-jon-arryns-death-in-this-exact-same-place.jpg


Sansa still doesn't seem to know Littlefinger was the one truly responsible for all the horrors done to her family. Not only was he the one who flared the rivalry between the Starks and Lannisters, but he betrayed Ned in King's Landing. Sansa's refusal of Littlefinger in this same sacred place her parents once stood was a poetic role reversal.

http://www.techinsider.io/game-of-thrones-episode-analysis-winds-of-winter-2016-6

a lot was already covered in this thread...but good read...esp. about the reversal of banners...thanks!
 
Jaime and Cersei may have a dark destiny if this 'Game of Thrones' theory is correct
Kim Renfro
Jun. 12, 2016, 10:30 PM
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Maggy the Frog. In both the books and show, Cersei is told she can ask three questions of the witch. For fans of the novels, this seemed like a pretty clear cut scene to adapt. However, there was a big omission from the interaction between Cersei and Maggy.

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Young Cersei and her friend as seen in the opening of season five. HBO

Cersei's questions for Maggy
The first question and answer were almost word for word from a scene of the fourth book, "A Feast for Crows." Here's how the conversation played out on screen:

Cersei: I'm promised to the prince. When will we marry?
Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.
Cersei: But I will be queen?
Maggy: Oh yes. You will be queen, for a time ... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.

Many fans of the books have analyzed the last line from Maggy over and over again.

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Maggy the Frog is a fortune-telling witch. HBO

For a long time, the standing theory was that the "younger, more beautiful" person was another queen. Margaery Tyrell was a clear candidate and the most obvious choice. She was about to marry Tommen and become Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, and this means bad news for Cersei.

But the wording from Maggy is tricky, and it's never specified that this other figure is anotherqueenor even in fact a woman. (Though some believe this could be Daenerys, Sansa, or even Brienne of Tarth.)

Back in the show's opening scene, Cersei moves on from this disconcerting answer, and asks her second question: "Will the king and I have children?" Maggy responds with: "The king will have twenty, you will have three." Cersei tried to interrupt, clearly confused.

Readers and viewers alike now understand that she and the former king, Robert Baratheon, never conceived together; all of his children were bastards and all of hers were born from the incestuous relationship she has with her brother, Jamie Lannister.

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Tommen and Jaime stand over Myrcella's dead body. Helen Sloan/HBO

Maggy continues, stating "Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds," before devolving into hysterical laughter.

This line can be interpreted in a few different ways. The gold crowns could be literal crowns, since Joffrey and Tommen were both crowned king. Plus, in the books, there is a plot centered around women in Dorne crowning Myrcella queen. But it probably simply refers to their hair color: blonde, like their parents.

"Gold their shrouds" is more direct: all of Cersei's children will die. Joffrey and Myrcella have already both been murdered, and each was shown in golden funeral garb. Tommen's days are likely numbered.

In this moment of the show, book fans knew exactly what Maggy was going to say next. Or so they thought. Instead, t he scene quickly ended, cutting to present-day Cersei on her way to her father's funeral.

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Cersei in her mourning gown, headed to Tywin's funeral. HBO

She's clearly musing over how recent events seem to be playing out along Maggy's predictions. And here is where many book readers were left dismayed.

The book text has a third, and crucial, line in Maggy's answer.

The "valonqar" prophecy
Before Cersei leaves the witch's tent, she is told one final and foreboding thing. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you," Maggy says.

This is huge in the realm of Cersei-centric theories. Not only does the text make it clear that her children are going to die before her, but it also predicts her murder at the hands of "the valonqar." In the High Valyrian language of the east, "valonqar" means "little brother." Maggy is telling Cersei that her death will come at the hands of a younger brother.

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Tyrion was wrongfully convicted of murdering his nephew Joffrey. Helen Sloan/courtesy of HBO

Knowing that, all minds may jump to Tyrion, the youngest of the Lannister children. He's currently in exile after being persecuted unfairly by Cersei for the death of her son Joffrey. But, just as with Maggy's first prediction, there are alternate interpretations to this line.

The case for Jaime Lannister
Jaime - Cersei's twin, lover, and father of her children - was the last to leave their mother's womb, making him younger than Cersei by mere minutes. He is technically another of her "little brothers." Could he turn on Cersei in the future, and strangle her to death?

Their relationship was tense in season five. Cersei loathed Jaime's missing hand, and therefore fighting skills, and then he blundered by releasing Tyrion and consequentially allowing his father to be murdered. Jaime is also becoming impatient with Cersei's insistence on terrorizing Tyrion and her increasing paranoia. We have seen Jaime grow from the narcissistic "kingslayer" to a more compassionate and nuanced man.

However, season six has shown Jaime reverting back to being Cersei's number one man. Despite Myrcella's death, the twins seem closer than ever. Jaime has assured Cersei that nothing else in the world matters except them. So were the "valonqar" theories wrong?

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Jaime will eventually need to decide if Cersei is worth losing everything for. Helen Sloan/HBO

We know from the books that Jaime does eventually become disillusioned with Cersei. This is partially due a major falling out he has with Tyrion, during which Jaime learns about Cersei's lack of faithfulness to their relationship.

But since the show left out that significant scene between Tyrion and Jaime, it's unclear whether we'll ever see Cersei lose her twin as a steadfast companion.

The abrupt end to the fortune-telling back in season five makes us wonder why show creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss left out the "volanqar" prophecy. Are they planning on revisiting the flashback and finishing out the scene at some point or is it not as important as book readers thought, and not worth mentioning?

If it wasn't worth mentioning, perhaps that's because it sounded redundant and was already addressed in the first answer, where Cersei learns of "another, younger and more beautiful" who will cast her down. Could that individual be the same as the "valonqar"? As noted earlier, there is no gender associated with this younger and more beautiful enemy. Jaime Lannister, born moments after Cersei, is known for his devilish good looks across the kingdom. Jaime Lannister, whose character arc may lead him further and further away from the hateful and paranoid Cersei, could be her undoing.

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Cersei has built up a lot of bad karma in the past six seasons. Helen Sloan/HBO

Now that Jaime has successfully won back Riverrun on behalf of the Freys, we can assume he'll return to King's Landing. Cersei was denied the right to a trial by combat (the newly pious Tommen made the controversial call) and so she'll need the support of Jaime more than ever.

Viewers know Cersei has been accused of adultery (sleeping with both Lancel Lannister and her brother Jaime), incest (see previous charge), and of conspiring to kill Robert Baratheon.

What viewers don't know is whether or not Jaime is aware of all the charges. Perhaps him witnessing the trial and realizing she had relations with Lancel will be part of his moving away from her. A darker possibility is that Cersei goes full-on crazy and causes irreparable damage to the city in an attempt to beat the High Sparrow.

We know there are caches of wildfire (a magical fire substance capable of wiping out King's Landing) everywhere in the city. And Cersei has told various members of her family that she would "burn cities to the ground" for her children. If she follows through with that promise, Jaime may finally be forced to see his sister for the cruel woman she is.

He may even kill her to prevent the city burning down - just as he did with the Mad King Aerys Targaryen. Now that would be quite the full-circle character arc. Fans will have to wait until next week (or perhaps the finale) to see where Jaime lands.

http://www.techinsider.io/game-of-thrones-valonqar-prophecy-2016-6
 
The "valonqar" prophecy
Before Cersei leaves the witch's tent, she is told one final and foreboding thing. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you," Maggy says.

This is huge in the realm of Cersei-centric theories. Not only does the text make it clear that her children are going to die before her, but it also predicts her murder at the hands of "the valonqar." In the High Valyrian language of the east, "valonqar" means "little brother." Maggy is telling Cersei that her death will come at the hands of a younger brother.

there it is.
 
Again, not new ground for Arya especially mingling among a crowd of other servant girls


Bronn and Jamie already mentioned how easily anyone could approach Frey troops undetected in a previous episode. House Frey a military stronghold? :lol:

Not being new has nothing to do with making sense and again doesn't change the facts.

Jamie was speaking on there ability to wage war. Compared to Jamies troops they may be shit, but they are still soldiers also considering more than likely Arya was already in the castle when Jamies troops were there means the quality of the troops don't mean shit.if anything the castle should be more protected at that point.

Arya was the girl that was looking Jamie when Bronn brought up the fact he thought she wanted to fuck. Aryas development is way to fast period. She basically got in as a server, killed the brothers in hours, cooked parts of them, maybe hid the bodies, killed their dad and still got out without any type of alarm.again this is a little girl who hasn't been training for yours but maybe months to a year.she didn't even (if she really did) complete the training until this season.

You're convinced but I'm calling bullshit. It's cool. There's no such thing as perfect show and like the instant travel this season, it just another flaw in the writing.
 
oh yea and its def gonna be jamie too.

next season don't know when but faced with doom in the form of dorne, tyrell and dany/dragon/drahki people at kings landing she is going to opt for burning the shit down. i can see her saying "burn it all i would see it burn before i see another sit on the iron throne" or something to that effect.
insert jamie. its deja vu for him all over again. he looks like he doesn't want to do it because he doesn't. its different this time. last time he was trying to save people this time he's saving the woman he loves from herself. he's sad it came to this. she is irate and we know how she gets when she's dialed into a purpose. she is as a matter of fact demanding that everyone in the kingdom die before they take it over and jamie just ends it.
i can't peg whether he ends it and kills himself literally or he kills her and after the war is done and tyrion sees him and spares him of course, he is just a shell of his former self. me personally id rather he kill himself physically than to see jamie lannister a shell of his former self but it would kinda be poetic though right? tywin wanted jamie to have maximum power and he had it for a minute but ultimately he's really a simple man. we're introduced to tyrion as a pissy drunk dwarf not living up to his potential and by the end of the series tyrion is the hand to the most powerful leader in the world and jamie is sulking, sad, pissy drunk, don't even put on his other hand anymore shell of himself. that would be more tragic than just slicing his throat too.
 
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and a huge duh to anyone who thought all that shit happened over a matter of moments and not weeks lol
Significant passes in time should be shown in some way by the writers in my opinion leaves changing, sunrise to sunset, no facial hair to beard, newborn to toddler. Something to show that time has indeed passed comma significant time. This episode showed neither. Varys had a trip that consisted of thousands of miles, that process takes months as evidenced by the transatlantic slave trade because ships Sail by an inconsistent wind.

It was a minimal transgression, and the ambiguity could have been corrected in a 5 Second long sentence.
 
Significant passes in time should be shown in some way by the writers in my opinion leaves changing, sunrise to sunset, no facial hair to beard, newborn to toddler. Something to show that time has indeed passed comma significant time. This episode showed neither. Varys had a trip that consisted of thousands of miles, that process takes months as evidenced by the transatlantic slave trade because ships Sail by an inconsistent wind.

It was a minimal transgression, and the ambiguity could have been corrected in a 5 Second long sentence.

i disagree.
he left before the damn greyjoy's arrived. before khaleesi came back. before the slaver's attack on marine. and it took him until all of that happened AND the greyjoy's building an entire fleet of ships to get back to her.
now i don't know how much more plainer it has to be that a lot of time has passed lol.
 
WOW!!!!..what a great season finale!!..it was sooo much going on this episode ..it was crazy!!..Cersei got back at them hard..i knew it at the end of season 5 that she was going to back back at all of them!!..Damn Cersei!!..but that lil King Tommen jumping out of the window got me by surprised when that happen!!..it was a crazy season and damn good!!..:yes::yes::yes:...Man, Daenerys got a fucking army now!!..this shit is about to epic in next season!!...:yes::yes:...Season 6 was great ..every episodes was good!!...:yes::yes:



cant wait for next season!!!
 
shit let me read up on it now...GoT took me by storm...after the first ep and a couple of eps after...I read up on it as much as I could...just finished rewatching this shit...cersei on the throne...crazy


I never knew about Game of Throne,until the night I decided to watch the first episode I got hooked ..I decided to download the books and couldn't believe how massive it was....


Another fantasy series that's getting made into a TV show is "American Gods",it suppose to come out next year on Starz.

A few members been hyping "American Gods",so I'm going to check that series out also
 
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How did Varys travel between Dorne and Meereen so quickly?



The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters the momentum would suffer.

This is vaguely the same philosophy that A Song of Ice and Fire author George R.R. Martin follows. Here’s what he says in a foreword to A Storm of Swords:

A Song of Ice and Fire is told through the eyes of characters who are sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles apart from one another. Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year. With such a structure, the narrative cannot be strictly sequential; sometimes important things are happening simultaneously, a thousand leagues apart.



https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/27/how-did-varys-travel-between-dorne-and-meereen-so-quickly/
 
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grew up on the show...





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.....lol
Wow.
Again, not new ground for Arya especially mingling among a crowd of other servant girls


Bronn and Jamie already mentioned how easily anyone could approach Frey troops undetected in a previous episode. House Frey a military stronghold? :lol:
Indeed. Jamie just finished telling him he wasnt shit without his protection.
Look at Tom's face

that sums up his entire life.
Waiting for instructions on how to be a human
Yea.. thats called being a child bro.. We lose track of the fact that he is a child.. And probably the most normal child the show has shown in a position of power. And being a child, no way was he equipped to mentally handle and process all those feelings, emotions, that accompanied that amount of tragedy and loss.
 
Wow.

Indeed. Jamie just finished telling him he wasnt shit without his protection.

Yea.. thats called being a child bro.. We lose track of the fact that he is a child.. And probably the most normal child the show has shown in a position of power. And being a child, no way was he equipped to mentally handle and process all those feelings, emotions, that accompanied that amount of tragedy and loss.

I think it is easy to forget that Tom is probably the most normal child on that show, and we watch a bunch of children do and go through despicable things so it is easy to separate ourselves from that reality. In the books they are even younger which makes you think... WTF!!
 
With winter officially being here, on a scale of 'probably won't be that bad' to 'this is the worst decision we've ever made' how pissed do you think the Dothraki will be when the ships touchdown and they see snow for the first time?
Oh and let's not forget the army of ice zombies :lol:
 
With winter officially being here, on a scale of 'probably won't be that bad' to 'this is the worst decision we've ever made' how pissed do you think the Dothraki will be when the ships touchdown and they see snow for the first time?
Oh and let's not forget the army of ice zombies :lol:
I don't think the snow will reach King's landing. I always wondered what Ned Starks "winter is coming" phrase meant. I took it as the white walkers are coming. During Jon And Sansas convo at winterfell Jon said "father always said winter is coming". It appears it is.
 
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