Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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But he didn't 'alter' the past, he warg'd into young honor, inadvertently causing him to hear the girl in the present yell hold the door over and over. Bran was simply a cog in the machine of fate, which is what makes the revelation brilliant.
Yeah i cocked my head to the side at the one.I wonder if yara will take her uncle's idea and seek dany out? I'm mad that nigga said hey let's build some ships from scratch and catch up to thembut w/ yara's ships and perhaps her knowledge of building them (and dany has enough ppl to build a fleet once they learn how)...she could be dany's link to westeros
This new fan theory just came up this season.
After episode 3 (The tower of Joy) when Bran shouted "Father!!!" And it seemed as though Ned actually heard him & turned around, but saw nothing.
you're right i guess but at least she ain whining anymore.
Game of Thrones theorycrafting: Who is the Three-Eyed Raven?
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by Lexi Kallis
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At the conclusion of Game of Thrones Season 4, Brandon Stark finally finds the mysterious Three-Eyed Raven in a massive weirwood tree far north of the Wall. He is old and frail, and at this point seems to be part-man and part-weirwood tree. He also has access to great powers—he’s able to possess animals and to peer into the past, present, and future of Westeros. Bran and company sat out Season 5, but they’ll be back this year, and we’ll likely learn that the Three-Eyed Raven has been passing down his skills to the young Stark boy.
When they meet, the Three-Eyed Raven tells Bran “I have been many things, and now I am what you see.” In the novels, it’s heavily implied that the Three-Eyed Raven (or the Three-Eyed Crow, as he’s known on the page) is a man named Brynden “Bloodraven” Rivers. He mentions that his true name is Brynden (and a famous Bryden, at that), the physical descriptions match, and one of his catchphrases (“a thousand eyes and one”) turns up in some suspicious places.
It’s unclear if the show will explore these aspects of the character—it’s not necessary to know who he was for him to train Bran—but Bloodraven was indeed many things: a sorcerer, warrior, Hand of the King, and Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. He had a colorful and storied past—let’s take a look at it.
Early Life
Brynden “Bloodraven” Rivers was born in King’s Landing in 175 AC, making him approximately 125 years old. He was one of several bastard sons of King Aegon “the Unworthy” IV Targaryen. His mother was Aegon’s sixth mistress, Lady Melissa Blackwood.
Brynden was born an albino with pale skin, white hair, and red eyes. On one side of his face, a red wine stain birthmark runs from his throat to his cheek. It was said to look like a raven drawn in blood, hence the nickname Bloodraven. Because his skin was sensitive to light, he often walked around cloaked and hooded.
Even though Bloodraven was smaller than his half-brothers, Aegor “Bittersteel” Rivers and Daemon Blackfyre, he was still known as a skilled fighter. He was the last person known to wield the Valyrian steel sword Dark Sister, one of two ancestral swords belonging to House Targaryen that came over when Aegon and his sister invaded Westeros. He was also an expert archer, and preferred the use of his weirwood longbow to a sword.
Bloodraven never married, but he and Bittersteel fought for the love of their beautiful half-sister, Shiera Seastar. The two brothers weren’t on good terms with each other on the best of days, and this drove them further apart. Shiera refused Bloodraven’s marriage proposals but did share her bed with him. She was rumored to be a sorceress who practiced the dark arts and bathed in maidens’ blood to retain her beauty. Some fan theories have it that she’s still alive and aiding a certain Dragon Queen in her quest to return to Westeros, but that’s a theory for another time.
First Blackfyre Rebellion
When Aegon the Unworthy died, he declared all of his natural children—including Bloodraven—legitimized. Aegon’s action was disastrous—it meant that there were suddenly a lot more potential claimants to the crown than there had been before. In this world, that means trouble, and it wasn’t long before the newly legitimized bastards were at war with their legitimate relatives. These conflicts were known as the Blackfyre Rebellions, and they pestered the realm for generations.
Daemon Blackfyre, one of Bloodraven’s half-brothers, and his followers first attempted to usurp the Iron Throne in 196 AC. The rebellion lasted a year and ended at the Battle of the Redgrass Field, where over 10,000 were killed.
According to The World of Ice and Fire, Bloodraven did not join his half-brothers in rebellion. Instead, he fought for King Daeron Targaryen, Aegon IV’s heir before his deathbed decision, and commanded a group of long bowmen called the Raven’s Teeth. In the midst of the battle, Bloodraven and Bittersteel charged each other and a mighty duel ensued. Bloodraven fought with Dark Sister while Bittersteel wielded Blackfyre, House Targaryen’s other Valyrian steel sword. Bloodraven lost an eye in the melee, and Bittersteel fled to Essos. Afterwards, Bloodraven rarely covered his empty eye socket with a patch, preferring to display his scar to the world.
It should be noted that, when Bran meets the Three-Eyed Crow in A Dance with Dragons, Bran sees that he has only one eye, “and that one red.” This matches the description of Bloodraven given in George R.R. Martin’s Dunk and Egg novellas. The show, however, seems to have done away with the character’s distinctive facial features.
Hand of the King
In 209 AC Bloodraven was named Hand of the King to his nephew, Aerys I Targaryen. His rise to power was attributed not only to his intelligence but also because he and Aerys shared an interest in arcane lore and the higher mysteries. As Hand, Bloodraven had a sinister reputation as a spymaster and sorcerer. The song “A Thousand Eyes, and One” was written about him. The thousand eyes represent his vast network of spies, while the one refers to the only eye remaining to him after his battle with Bittersteel. (Also, note that the Three-Eyed Raven says he’s been watching Bran with “a thousand eyes and one” in both the books and on the show.)
During his first few years as Hand, Bloodraven dealt with several major crises, including the Great Spring Sickness, the Second Blackfyre Rebellion, and a year-long drought. The Great Spring Sickness claimed the lives of two Targaryen princes, the former King Daeron II, as well as tens of thousands of others.
Thanks to Bloodraven and his informants, the Second Blackfyre Rebellion proved far less costly in terms of lives lost. He was able to squelch the rebellion before it began when he became aware of a plot to put Daemon II Blackfyre forward as the legitimate king of Westeros. Daemon gathered Blackfyre loyalists under the pretense of meeting them at the Whitewalls tourney. Bloodraven and his troops marched on the tourney and arrested Daemon.
Nearly a decade later, in 219 AC, Bittersteel returned from Essos and sparked the Third Blackfyre Rebellion. Bloodraven and Bittersteel faced each other during battle, fighting their second duel. The rebellion was once again squashed by the Targaryens and Bittersteel was arrested. Bloodraven argued that he should be put to death, but Aerys sent Bittersteel to the Wall. His ship was intercepted while heading north and he once again escaped to Essos.
Bloodraven continued serving as Hand of the King for nearly fifteen more years, outliving King Aerys as well as his successor, King Maekar I. Bloodraven called a Great Council in 233 AC to debate the disputed matter of succession. Aenys Blackfyre wanted to peacefully participate in the Great Council, and Bloodraven offered him safe conduct to King’s Landing from Tyrosh. However, once Aenys arrived in the capital, he was arrested by the gold cloaks and executed in the Red Keep. The Great Council eventually chose Aegon, one of Maekar’s sons, to succeed as King Aegon “the Unlikely” V Targaryen. Aegon’s first act as king was to arrest Bloodraven for the murder of Aenys.
Bloodraven argued that he sacrificed his honor for the good of the realm, but Aegon refused to set him free. In A Feast for Crows, it’s suggested by Maester Aemon, Aegon’s brother, that Bloodraven was imprisoned in the Red Keep’s black cells. Aegon eventually offered Bloodraven the option of joining the Night’s Watch over death. He accepted.
Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch
Bloodraven and a young Maester Aemon set sail for the Wall together. It’s unknown whether Bloodraven was allowed to take Dark Sister with him. Six years after arriving at the Wall, he rose to the position of Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. He held the post for nearly fifteen years. In 252 AC, at the age of seventy-seven, he disappeared while ranging beyond the Wall and was presumed dead. Little is known about how, when, or why (or, to be entirely fair, if) he took up residence in the cave where Bran finds him, and what he’s been doing for the last fifty years. My hope is that we’ll learn more about that portion of his life as the story progresses, as well as the whereabouts of Dark Sister.
Conclusion
Bloodraven has a lot of fascinating ties to the past as well as to the future of Westeros. It’s doubtful that Bran is the only Winterfell native Bloodraven is interested in. Assuming that, as another popular fan theory holds, Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark were indeed married during Robert’s Rebellions and produced the boy who would grow up to be Jon Snow, that makes Jon a contender to inherit the Targaryen dynasty. It seems plausible that Bloodraven has already been keeping tabs on Jon, possibly by controlling Lord Commander Mormont’s raven. In A Clash of Kings, an interesting exchange takes place between Mormont and Jon concerning the Targaryen succession.
“King,” croaked the raven. The bird flapped across the solar to land on Mormont’s shoulder. “King,” it said again, strutting back and forth.
“He likes that word,” Jon said, smiling.
“I think he means for you to have a crown, my lord.”
“The realm has three kings already, and that’s two too many for my liking.” Mormont stroked the raven under the beak with a finger, but all the while his eyes never left Jon Snow.
There are hints that we’ll find out more about how Jon plays into all this in the coming season of Game of Thrones. As to what other secrets the Three-Eyed Raven might have, that’s something we’ll have to discover right alongside Bran.
http://winteriscoming.net/2016/04/01/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-is-the-three-eyed-raven/
na I think if going w/ dude's future bran theory which I like then future bran sees the big picture...and saving humanity against the white walkers is bigger than saving his family...you know how noble the starks are lol...plus I pointed out some possible limitations...and I'm still not sold on him changing the past...young hodor heard the chic yell hold the door so now that I think about it young bran didn't really change the past @ least not on purpose but he's some kind of gateway between the present and past where ppl in the past might be able to hear him and can definitely hear ppl in the present as long as they're near his physical being...I can't say it enough...shit is just crazy...I'm rock w/ it tho
wow and someone said that could've been what put the idea in ned's head to say he was jon's father
We can agree to disagree. Although he didn't mean for it to happen Bran altered the past (i guess).
I agree...but Bran could only time travel through the roots of the tree. The tree is gone, so maybe thats the last of that ability.
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In order for it to count as altering the past, something in the present had to have been changed. What's was 'altered' in the present though?
That's also my theory and I'm hoping it's true.
It looked like the tip of the spear was made out of dragon glass.
Couldn't tell you but considering that Bran is born after that day it's safe to say the past was altered.hodor being at the cave may not have happened in the first time line. That's why Im not a fan of time travel storylines.
I think you guys have this bran storyline messed up.
Good point... Unless that particular one is special somehow.there are other weir trees all over the north and north of the wall
What I'm really wondering is why would the three eyed raven bring Bran there, knowing it would mean his own destruction. Unless the TER, the children of the forest...all are being manipulated to get Bran the mark...to maybe play a part for the White Walkers to get past the magic of the wall.
Not necessarily.
Remember, Season 1 started long after Hodor had his seizure and was only able to repeat the phrase "Hodor".
The tv show audience was first introduced into the middle of the whole story.
So what we are seeing now is probably the 'present' that has already been altered by the past.
From here on, the whole time travel aspect will make it hard(er) to follow tho.
Sam Tarly gave her his dragon glass
THIS in theory all he has to do is join with one and he will have access to time travel like the three eyed raven
It could be that he can only use that tree to alter the past. In any case there has to be some type of limitations put on the ability.at Brans age it would be hard to believe he'll just learn not to attempt to reshape the past overnight.then again it could be as simple as him making that decision.
u know i had to google her too...she has a few movies out there...
i might have to find this one just for the full frontal....lol
Also why would they create the white walkers if they couldn't control them.
Like I stated earlier I think this may come down to faith/religous belief system that can best serve/bring the people thru the long winter thats coming.
The 'magic' of the Children of the Forest is strongest at that particular tree. The White Walkers could not enter that tree. That's why they brought Bran there.
So the Children of the Forest were at war with the Andals / The First Men thousands of years ago.
They were defeated and a lot of Weirwood trees that were farther South were cut down & destroyed by the First Men, so they probably retreated to that tree as their last 'safe haven'...
Then most likely created the White Walkers as their 'insurance policy' to protect them from any other humans who sought to finish them off later on.
A man enjoyed the leak of Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" ...what an episode!!! every time you think Game of Thrones has topped itself it hits you with a gut punch and leaves you in awe. An intense episode that connected a dots for longtime viewers and readers. As per usual here are my stretched out observations
- Where's Moletown, where Gilly had a part time job a few miles south of the wall
- Sansa told LF her wedding night, she can still feel it...Ramsay busted her red keep wide open
- LF must have stolen Pegasus from Perseus because he travels the fastest around the 7 Kingdoms
- LF is once again at the mercy of a redhead protecting him from a knight (Catelyn & Brandon Stark)
- Blackfish lives, when you dip out of a party with too many fat bitches karma treat you well
- You just got served Arya, the Waif just went Li Mu Bai on your ass without the Green Destiny
- Arya needs to fight like someone just yelled WORLDSTARR
- A man ...tells a girl the first Faceless man was Nat Turner ?
- Apparently the Braavosi Westeros History books have been revised by the Texas Board of Education
- Damn they have Ned acting like Jeff Foxworthy
- The Willy Shakes of Braavos has bars for plays
- A servant doesn't ask questions, neither does a slave or an employee in my experience
- The faces in the Weirwood trees are like landline phones in the matrix
- What are Ayesha Curry and her tree family doing? camping and creating White Walkers with dragonglass
- Bran is getting all the hidden files and documents from Weirwood Area 51
- Did Theon pay the iron price for that haircut ? why not tell Yara about Salt Clips
- The sun never comes out in the Iron Islands or Pyke
- Much better debate at the Kingsmoot than any the GOP or Dems put together
- Euron with a Ragnar like entrance and speech.... Yep I killed my brother AND ?
- Uncle Iron Born showed up, parked in the grass and took the biggest piece of chicken
- Did Unwashed Joel Olsteen just kill Euron? or was the Gandalf the grey
- Worst pledging process ever; drowned and returned with no Iron Cross CPR treatment
- Theon and Yara dipped like someone was about to ask them for child support
- Jorah is the only real family Danaerys has, she doesn't want him to leave
- Jorah singing "never say goodbye" by Jackson 5 to Khaleesi
- Danaerys sent him to find a cure? Jorah gonna come back looking like Ben Grimm
- A new red priestess (please don't take her necklace off EVER)
- This new red witch has more titles than Danaerys
- Tyrion makes a pact with religion? but you can't control religions ...ask your sister
- Metro-sexual Uncle Fester hates magic more than a Boston Celtic fan of the 80's
- Varys looking more worried than Dwight Howard at the free throw line when she brought up his past
- Can Bran get a chair like Prince Doran from Dorne... his crawling is unacceptable
- Bran is seeing the future and the past (same tree the children were under making WW)
- I thought Thriller was about to play when Bran walked through the wights
- Damn that's more cold white people than attend a Bernie Sanders rally
- The Nights King has no words he only speaks with his hands like Terminator X
- the 3 eyed raven isn't telling the whole story, the visions aren't permanent history, Bran can alter events
- Home ec class payed off for Sansa, making sweaters and other Stark clothing
- Sending Brienne to the Riverlands? Uh Nooo... may not be a good idea
- Tormund still swiping right on his Castle Black Tinder app
- Brienne reading Steve Harvey books? Big Red Wildling is not waiting 90 days
- Sansa lies like Littlefinger now... she's playing the game
- OMG the White walkers said can Bran come out and play !!!!
- These White Walkers found Bran and his crew faster than Sally Mae
- Our first sighting of Rickkard Stark (Ned's father) "if you have to fight...win"
- OH NOOOO! they killed Summer... who do they think they are Chance the Rapper?
- The White Walkers are the Ultron of the Children of the forest
- Nights King has a hockey stick made of ice, knew these fools were Canadian
- Ayesha/Leaf was absorbing shots to the neck like a bukkake pro, then BOOOM
- Hold the door = Hodor; a six year reveal (best show on television)
- Did Hodor always know that was his fate? at least we now know what Wyllis was talking about
- Bran can affect the past and the future, 30 years before his birth....
- RIP Hodor... your watch has ended. Most difficult death of the entire series
Yes. All the weapons that were inside the tree that the Children of the Forest made/use are made of dragon glass. (Except for the rocks that they throw like grenades)
They even shoved a piece of dragon glass into the chest of the man who was tied to the tree to create the first White Walker.
Dragon glass made the White Walkers, so it's fitting that it's the only weapon that could kill them.
Looks like Dragon glass is the Westeros version of 'duct-tape'. (i.e. All purpose. Usable for everything
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MANN HOW you got me spitting that drank all over my screen 2nd sentence in
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not surprised that Ramsey is a disciple of ZodMANN HOW you got me spitting that drank all over my screen 2nd sentence in
Keep in mind Melisandre is supporting Jon as the one who was promised, while that new Red Priestess is supporting Dany.
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