4 religions right?
Many Faced God
The Seven
The Lord of Light
And the one you forgot are the tree gods of the North/ Children of the Forest
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Many Faced God
The Seven
The Lord of Light
And the one you forgot are the tree gods of the North/ Children of the Forest
After this episode.... i'm beginning to think a recent 'fan theory' is correct.
FAN THEORY:
- The Mad King wasn't actually mad, after all.
- It's probably Bran talking to him & altering events in the past... and he is just responding to him.
- But since nobody else could see/hear Bran... everyone thought the King was Mad.
BUT HERE's MY ADDITION TO THIS THEORY:
- In Season 1, Jaime told King Robert when he stabbed the Mad King in the back... all he kept saying was "burn them all".
- Now if that Fan theory above is TRUE... then my addition to this theory is that all the times that the Mad King was saying "burn them all" he actually probably telling everyone "How to kill the White Walkers"
... in the very same manner that Hodor has been repeating "Hold the Door" for so many years.
- It's Bran trying to warn everyone... through the Mad King.
- Or maybe he warged into him. Quite often. In an attempt to alter the timeline.
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Old Gods - Children of the forrest are something dirrent
I think that's what it is,but dayum to kill two direwolves in within 3 episodes is fucked up.
I was going to praise her for what she did to LittleFinger and then she immediately went back to playing Tic Tac Toe.....
Oh and the play is exactly how I feel about the Starks. Fuck the Starks!
I thought this episode would have been perfect if dude never woke up from being drowned.
But he did give my favorite line of the night right after:
"Where is my niece and nephew? Lets go murder them"
But he did give my favorite line of the night right after:
"Where is my niece and nephew? Lets go murder them"
No. They are one in the same.
Both the Northern houses and Children of the Forest pray to weir wood trees.
the chick in that fucked up play had some nice breast....
Superb titties
You can run with that, but I say it doesn't matter what his intention was or wasn't. The fact is Bran choose to be in the past site seeing and had he not been there two events of him or his friends voices may not have influenced the past.the first time he voice may not have caused anything but the second he is responsible.
Looking at the scene it's hard to say if he was trying to get the future hodor and took control of the past one out of confusion or as someone else send the link to the future hudor somehow took hold of the past one because of Bran being in the past.because Bran was attempting to take control of one of the hodors I can't consider him a cog.that would negate his responsibility for the death of his friends
Remember: Bran didn't choose to travel back to Winterfell to see the young Hodor, The Three Eyed Raven took him there. Also TER TOLD Bran to "listen to his friend" and warg Hodor.
That is of immense significance because it establishes what TER said the prior episode, that the ink is already dry and you can't change the past.
That means all the time travel in the show is a closed loop. Anything Bran does while time traveling has already been done and thematically we get the opportunity to witness it first hand.
Time is a circle: some moments only exist because a moment in the future caused it.
"Interstellar" tried to explain this concept, ill post some shit later which made me kind of get it.
That is of immense significance because it establishes what TER said the prior episode, that the ink is already dry and you can't change the past.
That means all the time travel in the show is a closed loop. Anything Bran does while time traveling has already been done and thematically we get the opportunity to witness it first hand.
Time is a circle: some moments only exist because a moment in the future caused it.
"Interstellar" tried to explain this concept, ill post some shit later which made me kind of get it.
Might be the best episode to date.....
This is in the Top 3 of HBO's series and that is saying a lot
Man those tits were damn near perfect
In regards to the discussion about the religions I'm starting to question the followers of the Lord of Light. Mind you I'm not doubting the power of the Lord of Light, just his followers.
- The second the Mad King looked like he was going down, they dispatched Thoros of Myr to convert Robert ....guess he was the one that was promised
- Prior to losing at the Battle at the Blackwater, Stannis looked like he had the best chance of winning the throne .... so of course he was the one that was promised
- Jon looks like he has the best chance of winning the North and maybe even winning the throne .... so now he's the one that was promised
- Meanwhile across the narrow sea Khaleesi is amassing a vast army. One so big that she might become queen of whole world and not just Westeros .... so you know that she is the one that was promised
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Ep 5 , another great episode!!...RIP to hodor!!!..all that time..that was he was sayin!!..damn good episode!!..
cant wait for next week!!
cant wait for next week!!
Doc. Tyson it don't matter how you rationalize time travel in it self is illogical.
On the show Bran scrambled hodors brain for the rest of his life so he can be in place to save him from a white walker attack. Smh
On intesteller it slightly made more sense just cuz they used time as a way of measuring distance. He was really talking to murf in real time across the universe.
I'd say the concept of time travel is incomprehensible and it doesn't make sense, but you yourself have shown that it does have some logically implications.
In this timeline Bran ruined Hodor's life to save him from a future event. The how is incomprehensible but the why makes sense.
And in Interstellar, Murphy had to figure out the gravitational formula in order to save mankind and in turn create the future people who created the worm hole and the Tesseract that allowed her father to give to her the gravitational formula. Incomprehensible but it makes some sense?
I stated earlier that to change the past is illogical.
People go back in time to stop something from happening; if they are successful the event never took place meaning they would have had no reason to go back in time in the first place.
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Sheldon on big bang made a joke :
Sheldon : I never invented time travel.
Leonard: how do you know?
Sheldon: if I did then I would come back to this exact moment and just give myself the time machine. (Pause for a few beats) See I told you.
People go back in time to stop something from happening; if they are successful the event never took place meaning they would have had no reason to go back in time in the first place.
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Sheldon on big bang made a joke :
Sheldon : I never invented time travel.
Leonard: how do you know?
Sheldon: if I did then I would come back to this exact moment and just give myself the time machine. (Pause for a few beats) See I told you.
That's only if you look at time as rigidly linear, if you think of time as fluid or circular, then the concept of "timelines" comes into place.
Like in Xmen DOFP...The events of the future world must have existed to force Wolverine to go back into the timeline that created those events.
By altering that past, he created a new timeline where the events of the first never happened. So in order for the second timeline to exist, the first must have existed.
Damn my head hurting too early on Monday lmao!
Like in Xmen DOFP...The events of the future world must have existed to force Wolverine to go back into the timeline that created those events.
By altering that past, he created a new timeline where the events of the first never happened. So in order for the second timeline to exist, the first must have existed.
Damn my head hurting too early on Monday lmao!
Colin warning:
Ok. I went back and watched the last 10 minutes of the episode again and I think I have noticed a few things that make it more clear what happened in the last sequence with Hodor
I think what the sequence tells us is that although Bran's greenseer ability provided the "conduit" for Wylis's transformation into Hodor, Bran didn't actively do anything to trigger it. He didn't warg into young Hodor and young Hodor was not immediately affected when Bran warged into present day Hodor.
On the other hand Meera seems to have shown an ability which no one else has demonstrated up til now. First, she was able to reach through to Bran in his trance state and impact him. Secondly, it was Meera calling out of Hodor name and commanding him to "hold the door" which cause Young Hodor to react and finally sieze up. She clearly can't see the past the way TER and Bran can and she hasn't shown any Warg ability to date, but it was definitely her voice which got young Hodor's attention in the flashabck and triggered the Hodor state.
So to me we now know that Bran is limited in what he can do while in vision mode. People can sorta hear a voice, but can't understand him. I think that was TER's final lesson for Bran. Meera on the other hand seems to come through loud and clear and with enough impact to cause a physical reaction.
So here is my new theory: B(ran) + M(eera) = Time Master!
The only supporting evidence for my theory is that Meera survives the episode when literally everyone else on Team Bran dies. That tells me she probably has a larger tole to play and it may also give further support to the R + L = J(on) & M(eera) theory which I didn't really give any thought too until now.
ON THE OTHER HAND -
All this could be true, but only for the special circumstances that were present at the time. Specifically, Hodor was present in both the green vision flashback and the present which may have provided the extra mystical mumbo jumbo for Meera to make a direct connection through Jon. In which case my theory would only be meaningful for Bran and Meera when the same circumstances are present.
Ok. I went back and watched the last 10 minutes of the episode again and I think I have noticed a few things that make it more clear what happened in the last sequence with Hodor
- Bran didn't voluntarily go back to past Winterfell. The TER took him there because he had to show him something that would prepare him for what was to come
- Bran is already Greenseering mode when the Night King attacks. However, he's watching his Grandfather, Dad and Uncle and not really paying attention to young Hodor
- It's only when Meera frantically shakes Bran and says "Warg into Hodor now" that he responds and turns his attention young Hodor
- The TER also encourages him to listen to Meera and finally Bran wargs into Present Hodor. At this point in time Young Hodor hasn't responded in any way to what is going on with Bran or his future self
- Present Hodor gets Bran up, Summer dies, TER dies after telling Bran to Leave him, Leaf dies and Hodor and Meera make it to the door.
- Meera calls Hodor's name a few times at the door and then finally they get outside and frantically tells present Hodor. "Hold the Door"
- Back in the flashback. Bran turns and sees that young Hodor is already looking in his direction and seemingly responding to Meera's voice (which is the only voice we hear now).
- Finally we see Young Hodor eyes roll up and he falls out and starts repeatedly saying "Hold the Door"
I think what the sequence tells us is that although Bran's greenseer ability provided the "conduit" for Wylis's transformation into Hodor, Bran didn't actively do anything to trigger it. He didn't warg into young Hodor and young Hodor was not immediately affected when Bran warged into present day Hodor.
On the other hand Meera seems to have shown an ability which no one else has demonstrated up til now. First, she was able to reach through to Bran in his trance state and impact him. Secondly, it was Meera calling out of Hodor name and commanding him to "hold the door" which cause Young Hodor to react and finally sieze up. She clearly can't see the past the way TER and Bran can and she hasn't shown any Warg ability to date, but it was definitely her voice which got young Hodor's attention in the flashabck and triggered the Hodor state.
So to me we now know that Bran is limited in what he can do while in vision mode. People can sorta hear a voice, but can't understand him. I think that was TER's final lesson for Bran. Meera on the other hand seems to come through loud and clear and with enough impact to cause a physical reaction.
So here is my new theory: B(ran) + M(eera) = Time Master!
The only supporting evidence for my theory is that Meera survives the episode when literally everyone else on Team Bran dies. That tells me she probably has a larger tole to play and it may also give further support to the R + L = J(on) & M(eera) theory which I didn't really give any thought too until now.
ON THE OTHER HAND -
All this could be true, but only for the special circumstances that were present at the time. Specifically, Hodor was present in both the green vision flashback and the present which may have provided the extra mystical mumbo jumbo for Meera to make a direct connection through Jon. In which case my theory would only be meaningful for Bran and Meera when the same circumstances are present.
This is the reason why they were buried deep in a tree and it was always quiet during their worg phase..other people can influence the past if interfered...i doubt Meera got type of power.
But bran didn't do anything in that scene though. He connected with the three eyed raven, so that the raven could 'dump' his knowledge on to bran before TER was killed. The THREE EYED RAVEN took bran to that point in time, and he also encouraged bran to warg into Hodor. Bran also wasn't the one screaming over and over to 'hold the door'. If anything, bran was brought there to be the inevitable conduit for young Hodor to hear that voice, hence him being a cog in the machine of fate.
^^^^THIS
I have a couple issues with your post.
Makes sense ...remember Meera's brother Jojen had abilities too.
The Reeds are of the first men too like the Starks no Andal blood
There is a theory that Meera and Jon Snow could be the same age.
Remember both of their pops was at the Tower of Joy.
Remember both of their pops was at the Tower of Joy.
It's the one he was murdered and reborn. It's sentimental to him.
I disagree with that. It wasn't that he was nervous, it's just that she played his hand and he couldn't play coy.That red priestess had Varys like
What if little finger is using the magic of the minister of defense from that city?
I thought this episode would have been perfect if dude never woke up from being drowned.
But he did give my favorite line of the night right after:
"Where is my niece and nephew? Lets go murder them"
Low-key I thought he was gonna die and lay there.
I was already getting my laugh ready.
Game of Thrones kills off more niggas that don't deserve than any show ever to be on Tv. I mean shit......they killed him off just for the fuck of it. And how they did it too..........
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