I read somewhere were it would have to make like 950mill just to turn a small profit; I doubt it seriously comes anywhere near that number; I am curious though where they get that figure from; also curious to see how this affects other DC movies; especially if/when Cap Civil War hits the billion mark; I think DC/WB really fucked up with this movie; and it just seems they gonna keep going down hill....
BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)
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The international market is what is going help this movie out the most.
Batman v Superman' Drops Big While Crossing $680 Million Worldwide
Let WB tell it, they're not worried about the drop or weekly numbers, just the final total
WARNER BROS. ISN’T CONCERNED WITH THE SECOND WEEKEND DROP FOR BATMAN V SUPERMAN
I'm guessing the only movie coming up with a BvS type budget would be the Justice League film. I don't know the budget of "Suicide Squad" or "Wonder Woman" (the next 2 DC movies coming) but I'm sure they're in the low $100M.
After a while, BvS will be viewed by some as not as bad as people said and it will be viewed by some as worse than initially thought. In the grand scheme, it depends on what DC/WB does with the rest of their universe. That will be the key to ultimately judge this film. If the films get better, it will get a pass. If the films are the same or worse, they will say that this was the kickoff of the mediocrity and it went downhill from here.
fiction writers take note..BvS is what happens when you give too much power to your hero...because from a writing perspective the more powerful a hero gets the greater the scale of their responsibilities. The whole reason superpowered villains had to be created was because its incredibly ridiculous for superman who has these ultra powers to be taking on common muggers and bank robbers and saving kittens from trees.
I mean as it stands going by this movie you realize that superman went into a war torn african country...probably analogous to conflicts happening in the Congo or Sudan where there are child soldiers and ethnic cleansing and massive rapes...he bypasses ALL OF THAT to save lois. Using his super lightning speed and strength for one person. Then we see scenes of him saving a family on a roof or a kid from a burning building...all singular acts but nothing that actually has any major affect on the world at large.
Batman has no choice but to operate in Gotham because he's just a human being. Superman's abilities means he can operate on a global scale yet he keeps his activities to the region around metropolis. And even in that he limits who he saves...I mean dude can hear lois whimper around the globe but couldn't hear his own mother getting kidnapped?? She cried out the second the goons jumped out the van at her..nothing. How about an elevated heartbeat when they were binding her and taking pictures?? Nada.
This is what happens when you make Superman nearly all powerful it becomes increasingly difficult to justify (from a writing aspect) how he could miss things.
I can't wait to see the HISHE on BvS...their observations should make the film about 10 minutes long..
I mean as it stands going by this movie you realize that superman went into a war torn african country...probably analogous to conflicts happening in the Congo or Sudan where there are child soldiers and ethnic cleansing and massive rapes...he bypasses ALL OF THAT to save lois. Using his super lightning speed and strength for one person. Then we see scenes of him saving a family on a roof or a kid from a burning building...all singular acts but nothing that actually has any major affect on the world at large.
Batman has no choice but to operate in Gotham because he's just a human being. Superman's abilities means he can operate on a global scale yet he keeps his activities to the region around metropolis. And even in that he limits who he saves...I mean dude can hear lois whimper around the globe but couldn't hear his own mother getting kidnapped?? She cried out the second the goons jumped out the van at her..nothing. How about an elevated heartbeat when they were binding her and taking pictures?? Nada.
This is what happens when you make Superman nearly all powerful it becomes increasingly difficult to justify (from a writing aspect) how he could miss things.
I can't wait to see the HISHE on BvS...their observations should make the film about 10 minutes long..
Yes I know the international market is going to help; even still It wont get close to 950mill worldwide; and they say that is what is needed to turn a small profit; so again wouldnt this movie be considered a failure?? and wouldnt this movie damper the other DC movies?? I mean this is DC to biggest stars and the movie shouldnt have had any issues hitting a billion; how can the other lesser known stars do better than the 2 biggest stars??
fiction writers take note..BvS is what happens when you give too much power to your hero...because from a writing perspective the more powerful a hero gets the greater the scale of their responsibilities. The whole reason superpowered villains had to be created was because its incredibly ridiculous for superman who has these ultra powers to be taking on common muggers and bank robbers and saving kittens from trees.
I mean as it stands going by this movie you realize that superman went into a war torn african country...probably analogous to conflicts happening in the Congo or Sudan where there are child soldiers and ethnic cleansing and massive rapes...he bypasses ALL OF THAT to save lois. Using his super lightning speed and strength for one person. Then we see scenes of him saving a family on a roof or a kid from a burning building...all singular acts but nothing that actually has any major affect on the world at large.
Batman has no choice but to operate in Gotham because he's just a human being. Superman's abilities means he can operate on a global scale yet he keeps his activities to the region around metropolis. And even in that he limits who he saves...I mean dude can hear lois whimper around the globe but couldn't hear his own mother getting kidnapped?? She cried out the second the goons jumped out the van at her..nothing. How about an elevated heartbeat when they were binding her and taking pictures?? Nada.
This is what happens when you make Superman nearly all powerful it becomes increasingly difficult to justify (from a writing aspect) how he could miss things.
I can't wait to see the HISHE on BvS...their observations should make the film about 10 minutes long..
He didn't miss things. He didn't care. That's the whole point. He grew up a man not a being. He has morals and values. He has a responsibility to HIMSELF. He isn't trying to save the world. He's not trying to clean up crime. He's just trying to stop the MAJOR threats and he's trying to work his little job and fuck lois. send his mom some money. normal shit. He's tween. Could he save the world and clean up all the shit you're talking about? Only if he just killed all the people who are bad or are thinking about being bad. Governments and all of that shit. He'd be working every day for a long time AND THEN after he does that and the governments fall he has to be on watch trying to stop other shit from sprouting. it'll be a wildfire of groups and other shit popping up etc etc etc
and he just don't want to do all of that shit.
I get that FULLY.
He has morals and values. He just picks and chooses how to exercize them.
He has a responsibility to HIMSELF. pretty selfish outlook for a hero
He isn't trying to save the world. He's not trying to clean up crime. clearly because he hasn't made a effort...which would make an interesting story itself.
He's just trying to stop the MAJOR threats most of which his mere presence brings to the planet.
and he's trying to work his little job and fuck lois. send his mom some money. normal shit. but he's not normal and thats the conflict and point.
so the man of steel who can lift billions of tons, fly faster than the speed of sound, has laser vision is content to save his white woman and the occasional alien invasion meanwhile all others can suffer cuz
fuck it...and thats a hero to you??
You guys don't realize how convoluted and full of shit Hollywood accounting can be. You got movies that made BILLIONS STILL crying broke on the books.
LucasFilm Tells Darth Vader that Return of the Jedi Hasn’t Made a Profit!?
“I get these occasional letters from Lucasfilm saying that we regret to inform you that as Return of the Jedi has never gone into profit, we’ve got nothing to send you. Now here we’re talking about one of the biggest releases of all time,” said Prowse. “I don’t want to look like I’m bitching about it,” he said, “but on the other hand, if there’s a pot of gold somewhere that I ought to be having a share of, I would like to see it.”
Of course, Return of the Jedi has grossed over $572 million worldwide, which includes an estimated $88 million when the film was re-released in 1997. So how is it possible that the film has yet to make a profit? Prowse really can’t be serious, can he?
TimesOnline contacted LucasFilm about the story but the company declined to comment as a matter of policy. In the interview, Prowse warns young actors to know exactly what kind of contracts they are signing:
“There is a big difference between having a share of the gross profit and having a share of the net profit. It is a huge difference in just one word. Sometimes, with net profit, with all the expenses and so on, it seems like you end up paying them.”
FOH...these motherfuckers cook books and talk all kinds of shit. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because its not really about the money its about the propaganda.
Don't go by what they say go by what they DO!! Spielberg and Lucas talked about an imminent "implosion" in the Hollywood system due a perfect storm of big budget flops close together. And yet these motherfuckers haven't changed strategy. Why?? Because IT DOESN'T MATTER. No matter what happens they will still make MONEY..Hollywood has license to PRINT money. Its the only explanation that can explain why they throw HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at bullshit that couldn't possibly earn its money back.
this shit cost upwards of HALF A BILLION to make and market: Upon release, John Carter received a mixed critical reception and performed poorly at the domestic box office, although it did show strength overseas, particularly in Russia where it set box office records.[17] Disney attributed the $160 million swing from profit to loss in its Studio Entertainment division in the second 2012 fiscal quarter "primarily" to the performance of John Carter.[18][not in citation given] The film resulted in a $200 million writedown for Disney, grossing $284 million against total production and marketing costs of $350 million.[19] Paul Dergarabedian, president of Hollywood.com noted, "John Carter’s bloated budget would have required it to generate worldwide tickets sales of more than $600 million to break even...a height reached by only 63 films in the history of moviemaking
it cost over 250 to make and 300 million to market...you can't tell me anyone seriously thought this crap was going to make over a billion or 2 in its run..and theyWROTE IT OFF!! Thats PRINTING MONEY. And yet Black cast films don't make a profit so their bad investments and deals..
IT. AINT. ABOUT. THE. MONEY.
I posted it before I'll post it AGAIN..
The reality is hollywood is the soft power aspect of white supremacy/hegemony..
The hard power is weapons/technology and military might - a straight up fight
The soft power is media and propaganda - winning hearts and minds
This is why they are constantly showing white people going anywhere in the world and taking over or being the best at something even more so than the people born into it.
It also explains why we (and I mean the big WE...all of us non whites) are totally comfortable watching a story where a white man or woman can go to the deepest darkest parts of asia, africa or south america wherever and move around and be in control
YET if we saw a asian, black or brown person ANYWHERE in europe unaccompanied by a white person we'd all think "THATS BULLSHIT"
We've all been conditioned to accept whiteness like Visa...its everywhere you want to be.
That's NOT a coincidence.
What did you see in this movie?? Three powerful white men talking about what it means to be a god, The ONLY people of color you saw in BvS were bad guys and dupes. The african terrorists, the african woman who blamed superman for destroying her village. The asian assistant to lex, superman saves a mexican kid and the whole village looks at him in worship...
Thats not an Alien..thats a white man. And thats the WHOLE POINT of all of these stories to reinforce the concept of the superior white man and only he can save you and do it in a way that we all willingly buy into it. And we do.
John Carter is a VERY BAD example...You guys don't realize how convoluted and full of shit Hollywood accounting can be. You got movies that made BILLIONS STILL crying broke on the books.
LucasFilm Tells Darth Vader that Return of the Jedi Hasn’t Made a Profit!?
“I get these occasional letters from Lucasfilm saying that we regret to inform you that as Return of the Jedi has never gone into profit, we’ve got nothing to send you. Now here we’re talking about one of the biggest releases of all time,” said Prowse. “I don’t want to look like I’m bitching about it,” he said, “but on the other hand, if there’s a pot of gold somewhere that I ought to be having a share of, I would like to see it.”
Of course, Return of the Jedi has grossed over $572 million worldwide, which includes an estimated $88 million when the film was re-released in 1997. So how is it possible that the film has yet to make a profit? Prowse really can’t be serious, can he?
TimesOnline contacted LucasFilm about the story but the company declined to comment as a matter of policy. In the interview, Prowse warns young actors to know exactly what kind of contracts they are signing:
“There is a big difference between having a share of the gross profit and having a share of the net profit. It is a huge difference in just one word. Sometimes, with net profit, with all the expenses and so on, it seems like you end up paying them.”
FOH...these motherfuckers cook books and talk all kinds of shit. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because its not really about the money its about the propaganda.
Don't go by what they say go by what they DO!! Spielberg and Lucas talked about an imminent "implosion" in the Hollywood system due a perfect storm of big budget flops close together. And yet these motherfuckers haven't changed strategy. Why?? Because IT DOESN'T MATTER. No matter what happens they will still make MONEY..Hollywood has license to PRINT money. Its the only explanation that can explain why they throw HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at bullshit that couldn't possibly earn its money back.
this shit cost upwards of HALF A BILLION to make and market: Upon release, John Carter received a mixed critical reception and performed poorly at the domestic box office, although it did show strength overseas, particularly in Russia where it set box office records.[17] Disney attributed the $160 million swing from profit to loss in its Studio Entertainment division in the second 2012 fiscal quarter "primarily" to the performance of John Carter.[18][not in citation given] The film resulted in a $200 million writedown for Disney, grossing $284 million against total production and marketing costs of $350 million.[19] Paul Dergarabedian, president of Hollywood.com noted, "John Carter’s bloated budget would have required it to generate worldwide tickets sales of more than $600 million to break even...a height reached by only 63 films in the history of moviemaking
it cost over 250 to make and 300 million to market...you can't tell me anyone seriously thought this crap was going to make over a billion or 2 in its run..and theyWROTE IT OFF!! Thats PRINTING MONEY. And yet Black cast films don't make a profit so their bad investments and deals..
IT. AINT. ABOUT. THE. MONEY.
I posted it before I'll post it AGAIN..
The reality is hollywood is the soft power aspect of white supremacy/hegemony..
The hard power is weapons/technology and military might - a straight up fight
The soft power is media and propaganda - winning hearts and minds
This is why they are constantly showing white people going anywhere in the world and taking over or being the best at something even more so than the people born into it.
It also explains why we (and I mean the big WE...all of us non whites) are totally comfortable watching a story where a white man or woman can go to the deepest darkest parts of asia, africa or south america wherever and move around and be in control
We've all been conditioned to accept whiteness like Visa...its everywhere you want to be.
That's NOT a coincidence.
What did you see in this movie?? Three powerful white men talking about what it means to be a god, The ONLY people of color you saw in BvS were bad guys and dupes. The african terrorists, the african woman who blamed superman for destroying her village. The asian assistant to lex, superman saves a mexican kid and the whole village looks at him in worship...
Thats not an Alien..thats a white man. And thats the WHOLE POINT of all of these stories to reinforce the concept of the superior white man and only he can save you and do it in a way that we all willingly buy into it. And we do.
It didn't lose Disney any money and it pacified the most profitable area of Disney films - Pixar
from Disney's perspective that movie is more profitable than Avengers 1 and 2...
it was made as a chess move to lock in Andrew Stanton,
keep the rest of the Pixar gang happy
and in the end it was an object lesson to reign in John Lasseter
gotcha...You guys don't realize how convoluted and full of shit Hollywood accounting can be. You got movies that made BILLIONS STILL crying broke on the books.
LucasFilm Tells Darth Vader that Return of the Jedi Hasn’t Made a Profit!?
“I get these occasional letters from Lucasfilm saying that we regret to inform you that as Return of the Jedi has never gone into profit, we’ve got nothing to send you. Now here we’re talking about one of the biggest releases of all time,” said Prowse. “I don’t want to look like I’m bitching about it,” he said, “but on the other hand, if there’s a pot of gold somewhere that I ought to be having a share of, I would like to see it.”
Of course, Return of the Jedi has grossed over $572 million worldwide, which includes an estimated $88 million when the film was re-released in 1997. So how is it possible that the film has yet to make a profit? Prowse really can’t be serious, can he?
TimesOnline contacted LucasFilm about the story but the company declined to comment as a matter of policy. In the interview, Prowse warns young actors to know exactly what kind of contracts they are signing:
“There is a big difference between having a share of the gross profit and having a share of the net profit. It is a huge difference in just one word. Sometimes, with net profit, with all the expenses and so on, it seems like you end up paying them.”
FOH...these motherfuckers cook books and talk all kinds of shit. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because its not really about the money its about the propaganda.
Don't go by what they say go by what they DO!! Spielberg and Lucas talked about an imminent "implosion" in the Hollywood system due a perfect storm of big budget flops close together. And yet these motherfuckers haven't changed strategy. Why?? Because IT DOESN'T MATTER. No matter what happens they will still make MONEY..Hollywood has license to PRINT money. Its the only explanation that can explain why they throw HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at bullshit that couldn't possibly earn its money back.
this shit cost upwards of HALF A BILLION to make and market: Upon release, John Carter received a mixed critical reception and performed poorly at the domestic box office, although it did show strength overseas, particularly in Russia where it set box office records.[17] Disney attributed the $160 million swing from profit to loss in its Studio Entertainment division in the second 2012 fiscal quarter "primarily" to the performance of John Carter.[18][not in citation given] The film resulted in a $200 million writedown for Disney, grossing $284 million against total production and marketing costs of $350 million.[19] Paul Dergarabedian, president of Hollywood.com noted, "John Carter’s bloated budget would have required it to generate worldwide tickets sales of more than $600 million to break even...a height reached by only 63 films in the history of moviemaking
it cost over 250 to make and 300 million to market...you can't tell me anyone seriously thought this crap was going to make over a billion or 2 in its run..and theyWROTE IT OFF!! Thats PRINTING MONEY. And yet Black cast films don't make a profit so their bad investments and deals..
IT. AINT. ABOUT. THE. MONEY.
I posted it before I'll post it AGAIN..
The reality is hollywood is the soft power aspect of white supremacy/hegemony..
The hard power is weapons/technology and military might - a straight up fight
The soft power is media and propaganda - winning hearts and minds
This is why they are constantly showing white people going anywhere in the world and taking over or being the best at something even more so than the people born into it.
It also explains why we (and I mean the big WE...all of us non whites) are totally comfortable watching a story where a white man or woman can go to the deepest darkest parts of asia, africa or south america wherever and move around and be in control
We've all been conditioned to accept whiteness like Visa...its everywhere you want to be.
That's NOT a coincidence.
What did you see in this movie?? Three powerful white men talking about what it means to be a god, The ONLY people of color you saw in BvS were bad guys and dupes. The african terrorists, the african woman who blamed superman for destroying her village. The asian assistant to lex, superman saves a mexican kid and the whole village looks at him in worship...
Thats not an Alien..thats a white man. And thats the WHOLE POINT of all of these stories to reinforce the concept of the superior white man and only he can save you and do it in a way that we all willingly buy into it. And we do.
He has morals and values. He just picks and chooses how to exercize them.
He has a responsibility to HIMSELF. pretty selfish outlook for a hero
He isn't trying to save the world. He's not trying to clean up crime. clearly because he hasn't made a effort...which would make an interesting story itself.
He's just trying to stop the MAJOR threats most of which his mere presence brings to the planet.
and he's trying to work his little job and fuck lois. send his mom some money. normal shit. but he's not normal and thats the conflict and point.
so the man of steel who can lift billions of tons, fly faster than the speed of sound, has laser vision is content to save his white woman and the occasional alien invasion meanwhile all others can suffer cuz
He never said he was a hero. It ain't HIS FAULT you want him to save you. That's how I always felt and looked at it and Im glad its being shown this way.
A guy who grew up a guy isn't going to be infinitely GREAT every step of the way. He's not going to say oh this is bigger than me im just going to do right 24/7 and dedicate my life to saving the entire world every day.
Im way more interested in conflict than a simple ass resolution of him listening to michael jackson working day and night during a 2 hour montage of him stopping everything at all times. I'd walk out of that.
I like when he's at a party trying to do something and he sees the kid in the building and the reporters are like is he just going to let that little girl die? and he's like damn i was about to do something but FUCK OK.
and he goes there and saves the little girl look at his face. he's tired of this shit lol. Look at him. I enjoyed that the most. He's always hovering and doing his thing and it's really getting old. It's not exciting to him and him being a man in upbringing is the most important point and charm of him imo. he's super MAN not super god. He's not detached like a Dr. Manhattan was in watchmen, ready to just be out and go fuck with mars or walk on the sun and shit.... He wants a LIFE that he can't really have. he seeks counsel from his mom who says be a hero or don't you don't owe them nothing the conflict inside of him and the weight that it carries is captured and i love that. love it.
Look at his face in public. He's always looking stoic and annoyed at having to do this shit and i feel him! lol.
Look at when he showed up at the hearing. Bored with the shit already. He looked like he had to go to Jury Duty. He moved the little puny door and moved into the front area which was funny as fuck. It's superman walking down the hall of the building lol walking into the room. Standing there annoyed as fuck.
He looked at the senator's face. Looked at the chair probably sensed that it was a bomb and probably could have gotten him out of there in the nick of time and had the explosion over the building but.. he just looked like..meh I'll be alright lol.
I love him struggling to care.
it cost over 250 to make and 300 million to market...you can't tell me anyone seriously thought this crap was going to make over a billion or 2 in its run..and theyWROTE IT OFF!! Thats PRINTING MONEY. And yet Black cast films don't make a profit so their bad investments and deals..
IT. AINT. ABOUT. THE. MONEY.
I posted it before I'll post it AGAIN..
The reality is hollywood is the soft power aspect of white supremacy/hegemony..
The hard power is weapons/technology and military might - a straight up fight
The soft power is media and propaganda - winning hearts and minds
This is why they are constantly showing white people going anywhere in the world and taking over or being the best at something even more so than the people born into it.
It also explains why we (and I mean the big WE...all of us non whites) are totally comfortable watching a story where a white man or woman can go to the deepest darkest parts of asia, africa or south america wherever and move around and be in control
We've all been conditioned to accept whiteness like Visa...its everywhere you want to be.
That's NOT a coincidence.
What did you see in this movie?? Three powerful white men talking about what it means to be a god, The ONLY people of color you saw in BvS were bad guys and dupes. The african terrorists, the african woman who blamed superman for destroying her village. The asian assistant to lex, superman saves a mexican kid and the whole village looks at him in worship...
Thats not an Alien..thats a white man. And thats the WHOLE POINT of all of these stories to reinforce the concept of the superior white man and only he can save you and do it in a way that we all willingly buy into it. And we do.
As far as this goes. Tackling the movie industry is a different point than the movie. It ain't about US accepting whiteness. It's about white people being in charge of the production of these blockbuster movies. They show what they want to see like WE would do in the same situation.
So WE not buying into shit. Influential BLACK PEOPLE who have the money to invest and change things are the ones we need to point the finger at. The ones with millions and connections and ability to get loans and directors and know talented black casts and shit and DON'T make moves for US to go and support at the box office. That's the problem.
So when black panther comes out. we BETTER make it the top grossing super hero film of ALL TIME or stfu. I know I'm going to see it 9 times off GP whether its complete TRASH or not.
if it's good Im going to see it for a week straight to keep those numbers UP.
But the people with actual money who could do the shit for us don't that's why we are where we are film wise.
a chess move that burned off half a billion... your looking at the figures and players and I'm looking at the overall big picture... answer this question...name a movie starring a nonwhite hero figure they would have done that with?
and we're back to conditioning to accept whiteness as the standard. The house negro is privileged above the field negros and the reason he or she might not do overt things to challenge the status quo is to protect their privilege...but whats worse is they aren't just operating in it they may actually BELIEVE in it. The blacks that are in that industry now certainly don't want to do anything that threatens their toe hold in it but some may actually not even think along those lines to begin with.
I can't see a non white lead or centric movie getting large money Period.
that being said, if Lasseter and Co wanted to make a $300 million My Little Pony movie in live action - Disney would have made it.
It ain't about the money, and the studio didn't lose half a billion... it was insured money, and in the end it was a project to secure the most valued talent in a $20 billion division
3 years later - big picture:
NO other studio, has properties as lucrative in media and merchandise as the ones Disney now owns, with a core teams of profitable directors and writers now married to Disney.
Disney has recreated the old studio system, with behind the camera talent and instead of movie stars they are locking down IP
"go along to get along"
until the monopoly on distribution is broken... you are playing in their world, so there are rules and consequences
They have the problem not me and you. We would support the movies that come out that are black. We know they're well done. I know I went to see creed 3 times. Stallone wasn't shit. Coogler and Jordan wrote it did it and made the movie.
When it came time for awards they only acknowledged the cac.
translation: liscense to print money..all thats well and good but it doesn't change my basic point.
That "I love this shit!" look on her face after getting thrown by Doomsday was the bright spot in the flick..God I hope they don't fuck up her movie!!
Is there a stream for this movie yet
biggest film of the year?
Snyder full of shit that is evident in the 1st 2 minutes of this bullshit review
The whole video is funny but I lost my shit at the 2:02 mark.
There isn't a single 'hero' in the Marvel (or DC) Universe that has 'cleaned up' all criminal activity... or stopped all alien invasions... or stopped all suffering on the planet.so the man of steel who can lift billions of tons, fly faster than the speed of sound, has laser vision is content to save his white woman and the occasional alien invasion meanwhile all others can suffer cuz
- Not Spiderman.
- Not Batman.
- Not the Avengers.
- Not Captain America.
- Not Superman.
- Not the X-men.
- Not [insert name here].
- None of them. Not a one.
Because Petty Crooks... Escaped Convicts.... Serial Killers... Organized Crimelords... Professional Hitmen... Mass Murderers... Drug Cartels... Global Terrorists.... Psychotic Lunatics... Raging Monsters... Paid Mercenaries.... Super-villains... Armies of Robots... Secret Societies.... Evil Empires... Magical Creatures ... Powerful Henchmen... Intergalactic Threats.... or someone who just wants to take control of the entire Universe... continues to pop-up in every issue... of every comic book... or in every script... of every comic-book movie / or cartoon episode.
A threat pops up. Someone stops it. Rinse & repeat. On a monthly basis.
That's the way comic books work.
I hope that 'preventing all crime & suffering' on the ENTIRE planet.... isn't your 'benchmark' for a character to be considered a 'hero' on the silver screen.
That's pretty unrealistic.
For ANY movie genre. (Not just comic book movies.)
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I am curious, where was the conversation about how much Avengers made when it came out - did it hit $200,000,000? Disney is worried its not going to make it money back? I don't remember any of these stories when the Avengers came out a few years ago. the conversation was about how cool it was to have Iron Man and Thor and Hulk and Captain America all in the same movie - about however one was on the floor when Hulk hit Thor or Hulk grabbing Loki and saying puny God.
THe Avengers was not a perfect film but it gave the fans what they wanted - and then sum -
I think the reason why they everyone is talking box office and story points is because the movie let the fans down and when I mean I don't mean the hardcore fans that read every Frank Miller book or knows that names of all of Superman's girlfriends and freaked out on the Death of Superman books --this movie didnt make the fans happy because it didnt understand that Batman v Superman is the title but we wanted to see Batman and Superman fight and then bond (and not over a mothers name) and become the heroes they both are.
They wanted the happy warrior in Superman and the Dark Knight in Batman - the original odd couple. Gloomy Gus and Mr. Sunshine...
Maybe that is not a Zack Snyder film but his film is not the one movie fans wanted to see.
One last thing - the part of the movie that fans do talk about the most is the scene where Doomsday hits Wonder Woman and she goes flying back and smashes into something - and as she hits - a smile comes over her face and she leaps back into battle - that smile is what people want to see - yeah she is getting her ass kicked but this is only round 1 and she looks like she is ready for more - because Wonder Woman loves to kick ass. A fun moment
THe Avengers was not a perfect film but it gave the fans what they wanted - and then sum -
I think the reason why they everyone is talking box office and story points is because the movie let the fans down and when I mean I don't mean the hardcore fans that read every Frank Miller book or knows that names of all of Superman's girlfriends and freaked out on the Death of Superman books --this movie didnt make the fans happy because it didnt understand that Batman v Superman is the title but we wanted to see Batman and Superman fight and then bond (and not over a mothers name) and become the heroes they both are.
They wanted the happy warrior in Superman and the Dark Knight in Batman - the original odd couple. Gloomy Gus and Mr. Sunshine...
Maybe that is not a Zack Snyder film but his film is not the one movie fans wanted to see.
One last thing - the part of the movie that fans do talk about the most is the scene where Doomsday hits Wonder Woman and she goes flying back and smashes into something - and as she hits - a smile comes over her face and she leaps back into battle - that smile is what people want to see - yeah she is getting her ass kicked but this is only round 1 and she looks like she is ready for more - because Wonder Woman loves to kick ass. A fun moment
There isn't a single 'hero' in the Marvel (or DC) Universe that has 'cleaned up' all criminal activity... or stopped all alien invasions... or stopped all suffering on the planet.
Yet they are all STILL considered 'heroes'.
- Not Spiderman.
- Not Batman.
- Not the Avengers.
- Not Captain America.
- Not Superman.
- Not the X-men.
- Not [insert name here].
- None of them. Not a one.
Because Petty Crooks... Organized Crimelords... Global Terrorists.... Super-villains... Evil Empires... Intergalactic Threats.... or someone who just wants to take control of the entire Universe... continues to pop-up in every issue... of every comic book... or in every script... of every comic-book movie, or cartoon.
A threat pops up. Someone stops it. Rinse & repeat. On a monthly basis.
That's the way comic books work.
I hope that 'preventing all crime & suffering' on the ENTIRE planet.... isn't your 'criteria' for a character to be considered a 'hero' on the silver screen.
That's pretty unrealistic.
For ANY movie genre. (Not just comic book movies.)
My original statement was:
The point I was making was from a writing/story structure standpoint was that superman is constantly exhibiting these incredible abilities and yet in order to service the story and get from point A to point B suddenly he fails to do something he easily did repeatedly earlier in the story..being able to detect his girlfriend in danger but not his mother??
Its not about eradicating all crime its about creating this all power hero who suddenly has limits and failings in inexplicable ways. And its those things that people pick up on either consciously or subconsciously which is why the movie has mixed to poor reviews and bad word of mouth is slowing its BO pace.
"I didn't see it (the bomb) because I wasn't looking for it" - Superman
This line already explains WHY he didn't see his mom being kidnapped.,. Because he wasn't paying attention to her. He wasn't focused on his mom. One could reasonably conclude that he tends to fix the problems he pays attention to. That's why he's always saving Lois. Because he pays a lot of attention to her.
It's not that hard to figure out. (But maybe you feel like that answer is 'not good enough', but it's very clear that's the way the writers set it up)
It has nothing to do with making characters 'too powerful' to move the story from point A to point B without adding a supervillain.
And btw, it's a comic book movie.
There are SUPPOSED to be super-powered villains and/or fantastical creatures for Superman to battle.
So that's not really an issue either.
People do not buy movie tickets to watch Superman chase down muggers in Central Park. They want to see Superman slug it out with Batman (on a level playing field), or Zod, or Bizarro, or Metallo, or Darkseid or whoever.
The only reason people focus on these 'inexplicable limitations' of Supermans powers is because of the other issues they have with the script.
Damn I've got some reading... The notifications on the new board are so inconsistent. Any way... I just discovered sad batman.
Actually it did and then some. A $207 million opening weekend. Plus, it had mostly positive review from fans and critics. But I agree with everything else you wrote.
I was speaking hypothetically - just making the point that how much money it made wasn't the main discussion after it came out - it was how enjoyable it was
Winter Soldier which was a film that was not all sunshine and flowers was also a fun movie despite the fact that Hydra destroyed SHIELD and Captain America was criminalized.
If people are enjoying the movie the box office is the secondary story - not the primary story as with BvS
parts of your statement just repeat what I said already...yes supervillains were created for better battles, yes comicbook stories require a higher suspension of disbelief that the usual work of fiction and yes people have other issues with the story which is why theres much grumbling."I didn't see it (the bomb) because I wasn't looking for it" - Superman
This line already explains WHY he didn't see his mom being kidnapped.,. Because he wasn't paying attention to her. He wasn't focused on his mom. One could reasonably conclude that he tends to fix the problems he pays attention to. That's why he's always saving Lois. Because he pays a lot of attention to her.
It's not that hard to figure out. (But maybe you feel like that answer is 'not good enough', but it's very clear that's the way the writers set it up)
It has nothing to do with making characters 'too powerful' to move the story from point A to point B without adding a supervillain.
And btw, it's a comic book movie.
There are SUPPOSED to be super-powered villains and/or fantastical creatures for Superman to battle.
So that's not really an issue either.
People do not buy movie tickets to watch Superman chase down muggers in Central Park. They want to see Superman slug it out with Batman (on a level playing field), or Zod, or Bizarro, or Metallo, or Darkseid or whoever.
The only reason people focus on these 'inexplicable limitations' of Supermans powers is because of the other issues they have with the script.
Your explanation for why he missed his mother sounds reasonable if you never saw the first movie or don't know supermans history. In MOS we see a young clark overwhelmed by his senses and the world around him he learned how to control his abilities by focusing on his mother's voice.
Clark: The world's too big mom.
Martha: Then make it small. Focus on my voice...
One could assume that when he watched his father die he didn't just see it he heard the elevated heartbeat and grasps of pain as the tornado ripped his father apart. the ONLY reason Pa died is because he stopped Clark from saving him. You think he would let that happen again? Ma and Pa Kent were Clarks ONLY touchstones to his humanity long before Lois showed up so its reasonable to assume he would be acutely sensitive to his only surviving parent.
If youre a fan of this treatment of superman then you buy into this so (to me) it seems a very large stretch that superman would lose focus of the first person who taught him how to do it. And its more a convenience for the story than an organic flow of how the story flows. People buy into suspension of disbelief up to a certain point even in comic book stories. The myth says that superman can hear clouds scrape each other in the sky. he hear lois's indiscriminate banging under water over the cacophony of the sounds of battle with DD.
I believe a man can fly
I believe kryptonite makes him weak
I don't believe he wouldn't recognize the sounds of his mother in distress.
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