White people shit.
BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)
- Thread starter stretchwallz
- Start date
man that was actually a BIG deal in their circles, because all them white boys were tight friends.
Kevin pretty much gave Affleck his first major movie role.
he was as tight with Kevin as he was Damon but that chick aint like all that frat boy comic book vulgar humor and didnt like that Ben and Matt used to act just like him when they were hanging out together. Hell she tried to get Damon too but that was money AND friends shit so she chilled on taking it that far.
But Kevinn actually contacted him first when he got the batman role and defended him to the death and Affleck hollered back like man I appreciate that and we good, we gotta talk face to face.
Kevin actually talked about it.
So if Kevin sh*t on this movie? after all those mended fences? then it had to be a royal clusterf*ck
Had no idea...
Kev didnt trash Ben tho. He complimented him and the movie was terrible.
damn ...
*in trump voice* "I'm going to build a wall around the fortress of solitude!"Damn they said Ben was like bat trump
Had no idea...
Kev didnt trash Ben tho. He complimented him and the movie was terrible.
good I'm not surprised.
Cause as a dude with very few REAL friends I understand how that sh*t must to have hurt his heart to lose a friend because of his wife you never did nothing to.
sadly this happens much more then we think.
Last edited:
I will say this,DC have Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman left,before Justice League comes out.
If,those two movies get good reviews,I think everyone will be hyped about Justice League.And,if Justice League get mostly positive reviews,everything will be forgiven about BvS.
If,those two movies get good reviews,I think everyone will be hyped about Justice League.And,if Justice League get mostly positive reviews,everything will be forgiven about BvS.
No... I'm completely fine with him evolving. That's why I loved the Dark Knight, but DAMNIT... you have to explain this shit. Just one scene or discussion about why he is this way now... would have explained so much.
If he is killing because he lost Robin then fine... Have one quick conversation with Alfred where Alfred fears that Master Bruce is taking it too far and has lost his original path. Or just have him... Look at Robin Monument/trophy.. or what ever the fuck that was... and Play some gun shots or screams in the background that only bruce hears... Or Use one of the 5 flashbacks to show Robin's death. Problem solved... Evolved Murdery batman has been explained.. Audience is satisfied.
---
Finally.. Of course we are going to be there. It is a Super hero movie, but I'm never going to forget my rants here. The question becomes... Not about will we watch it, it is how many times will be watch it... That's the problem for DC. My second viewing of this movie was on Kodi. I watched Transformers 2 in the theater three times and it sucked so much ass, but damnit... it looked fucking amazing. That is where I hold hold Batman v. Superman... It is currently below a movie that was racist and had giant robot testicles in it.
It takes a real friend to tell you that your 250 million dollar movie is a piece of shit. That's real talk right there.
true
Where?????
All of the Flashbacks involve things that we know about Batman from the very beginning.
He only made one comment to Alfred about being at this for over 20 years.
To my knowledge that was the only time Bruce actually referenced the time that he has been Batman.
So where??? Seriously... Not to sound nitypicky, but I honestly didn't see that part. I probably missed it.
Well...
terrorist
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorist
That's where you and I split. I already assumed this was a darker Batman and they didn't need to explain it here. Maybe they will later, but for right now, I got it. I don't need bread crumbs...this Batman was darker and I enjoyed the different take. In fact this was the best Batman I'd ever seen so far.
Ok... With the flashbacks we see how tormented he is about his upbringing and parents death. The tone is set there... Trauma associated with the alien attack and all it cost innocent people...His conversations with Alfred- as you mentioned- revolved around his many wars, physical and mental damage, regrets and near death experiences and the toll it has taken. The constant nightmares imply a haunted and tortured mind/soul. We see Robins vandalized uniform with the words "Jokes on you Batman" (a displayed constant reminder of his loss and failure to prevent something he could have).. His dialogue with Alfred again, as it pertains to Superman speaks about how if there is even 1% chance that this entity can cause preventable damage he needs to be ended (this exchange expresses regret and guilt from not taking necessary measures in the past)... When he meets Clark he refers to Superman being another sick "clown" (Murderous Joker reference) that needs to be put down before he kills someone.. We see the grey hair, weary look, and crows feet eyes...
Honestly bro, this was the best articulated aspect of the entire film. I dont see how anyone can say they didnt fully provide context and perspective on Batman being totally fucked up and dealing with depression, rage, guilt, etc...
Well said! This was the BEST BATMAN I've ever seen on screen. A man who's at the end....
Look bro, at this point i think you're being an asshole or playing a game of semantics i dont care to partake in.Well...
terrorist
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorist
Implied in the word terrorist- certainly in a current real world context- is a perpetrator of violent acts upon a unwitting innocent or uninvolved party. Labeling the guy who we all admit ONLY kills criminals and the depraved, as a terrorist is horse shit. He is and always has been a vigilante. At worst we can now call him an anti-hero but i dont even agree with that. Hes a vigilante.. One who now kills.
Man respectfully, if we gonna discuss the shit lets atleast stop nitpicking and dissecting every nonsensical word we disagree on just for the sake of disagreeing. He is in no way a fucking terrorist bro.
Man that shit was fucking awesome. Like i said pages earlier, the film had many issues that caused me to pause... But Batman killed it! And it made all the sense in the world.... Decades of letting scum live, only to watch them kill innocents and continue to terrorize civilians.. then that death visits your door... At what point does a man not snap. Not re-evaluate his methods...?? What man is the same idealistically at 45 as he was at 25?? Dont get much realer than that?
I get your point. I just think if you take away any previous knowledge of what type of Batman this was going to be from the plot synopsis and just looked at this from a movie standpoint... It does a horrible job of explaining any of this and I am a DC fan.
But I went into this movie to see the world that it presents and this movie rests too much on people knowing the plot synopsis going in. I intentionally didn't read shit about the plot or the cameos. I tried to avoid the trailers when I noticed that they were spoiling to much. While I was watching it... I didn't know if there was going to be a Robin in the universe of Batman. I didn't know how long Bruce had been Batman. I didn't know that Lex was actually Lex junior. Other then the 20 year conversation with Alfred.... the rest of the shit was just glossed over.
It'll be interesting to see what WB does. MOS and BvS were both ripped critically, but made $. Will they stay the course with Synder and laugh to the bank while Marvel/Disney continues to be the critical and financial darling (you won't see a dark DC theme park no time soon) or will they make adjustments and take the criticism to heart?
Yea.. But, if you dont have any previous knowledge are you really THAT upset with Batman killing? Without prior knowledge wouldnt one not know of his code? And thus not be offended by him breaking it? So in that regard, those with actual prior knowledge are informed enough to deduce whats going on with the character...imo. Do you agree?
Ok. I knew the portrayal would be of a older grizzled Bats.. So maybe that colored my perspective before hand. The rest i didnt know about.
I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm actually trying to have a discussion about this. Technically Batman is a terrorist. So what if he is? He terrorizes people. He breaks bones. He is a vigilante. You said he wasn't by any definition of the word and I just pointed out that by the very definition he is. So what if he is one. In some alternate stories of Batman... Where the city isn't behind.. Like Batman Year One. He is viewed like a criminal... So what..
It doesn't take away from him being Batman.
I just think that one of the fundamentals things about Batman is his nonkilling policy and his phobia with guns... Throughout history this has been one of the most well known things about him. If you are going to change this. You have to have some kind of explanation. This is part of the CHARACTER of BATMAN.
If Zach Snyder.. decided to have Superman immune to Kryptonite, people would be up in arms over this. But technically... it's the same thing. Everyone knows that Superman is weak to Kryptonite and everyone knows that Batman doesn't intentionally kill.
If this is explained in the 3hr version... Then all my arguments are mute. I'm only talking about this movie as it is now and even Warner Bros themselves have admitted that key scenes were cut out of the movie to shorten it's length, hence the Communion deleted scene. The movie as it is in the theater now is incomplete. We can continue to go around circles of being nitpicky/ versus legitimate issues... but hopefully we can all agree that the movie playing now is not the true version.
Cool. I totally agree with the killing aspect as ive stated already. But i get your issue with gun usage... But as i stated earlier, it was very limited where he pointed guns that were in the hands of others, and it was one scene (not included Kryptonite grenade). A scene where a flame thrower was being held to the head of a senior citizen. If he were walking around with a six shooter and holster i would have a bigger problem. But again, i see your objection there.
That part.. I would agree. If I went in with zero knowledge of the film. I think I would have enjoyed it alot more.
I think if I knew that it was a grizzled version of Bats I could see your point about not caring that he was killing people... I wouldn't have needed an explanation because I already know. And I think that's how Warner Bros's cut this movie... They cut this movie for the people that not only knew the history of the characters but were die hard enough to soak up every single detail of the film. They knew those people wouldn't need the hand holding... and they went for the quick cash grab with the world wide release and the "shorter time".. to get the non-diehards in. From a business perspective it was a very smart gamble. But long term it could come back to bite them... especially if Wonder Woman doesn't make the numbers. People are just going to be burnt out..... The diehards are going to watch Justice League, but the rest of the country might be turned off.... I mean we all know that we are going into this movie.. with at least 40 minutes dedicated to the rebirth of Superman. On the real.. I think he might not show up at all in the first movie and they make him some kind of Deus ex machina (Gandalf the White Wizard) for Part 2 and come back when everyone is getting fucked up by Darkseid.
Last edited:
This is what I love about BGOL.. every argument doesn't have to turn into name calling. Sometimes cats can act like grown men and see the others side without any drama.
Last edited:
There were definitely some issues with the editing. Unacceptable considering how long ago this movie wrapped too. And yea man, they have a mess on their hands going forward. I dont see how they can introduce all those JL characters, a villain, and resurrect Superman in one well put together movie. They may wanna rearrange that schedule and have those stand alone movies come first... or as you said, have one JL film sans Supes.
knowing Hollywood accounting they will report this as a loss.
This movie is not hot garbage but they really missed the mark on what could have been an epic movie. First the Director could have cut at least 45 minutes from the movie. Too much unnecessary melodrama, too many failed operatic themes and music, and way too little action. If there is going to be a JLA they need to hire another director.
so diplomatic in his criticism...
you think its gonna break a billi?
That was weird because he just ripped it in the earlier podcast and then he comes out saying that he liked the movie. It was almost as if he had a heart to heart with Ben right out his first podcast.
Similar threads
