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The Carmichael Show Will Have a Bill Cosby Episode in Season Two

Jerrod Carmichael's The Carmichael Showwas praised in its first season for the show's no-holds-barred conversations on race relations, and it's looking to push the boundaries even further: Entertainment Weekly reports that the show's second season will have a full episode dedicated to tackling Bill Cosby and the dozens of abuse allegations he's facing. Carmichael — who was once "summoned" by Cosby to meet with him at Cosby's L.A. home — will co-write the episode with the show's executive producer, Mike Scully. As EW notes, the episode will be controversial not just because of the sensitive nature of the subject, but because NBC was once home to The Cosby Show. (In 2014, NBC even cut ties with Cosby on a new sitcom the two were developing together after the accusations came to light.) And while Carmichael says the network initially gave him a hard no on covering Cosby, NBC execs have since given him their blessing. Carmichael tells EW that the episode will approach the subject from the angle of "the dilemma of any fan" (not unlike cultural conversations about R. Kelly) but won't make any judgments regarding Cosby's guilt or innocence:


"Removed from the legal aspects of it, removed from all of the accusations, I think it’s the most fair argument on what’s happening with Bill Cosby that you’re going to see on television. It’s the most honest, sincere argument about it. It’s both sides. It’s people not knowing what to do with it. There’s doubt, there’s the acknowledgement of how horrendous the accusations are. I think we balance the argument. That’s what we try to do with every episode, but especially this one because we didn’t want any agenda, any narrative. This isn’t a 'Let’s defend Bill Cosby' episode. This is also not a 'Let’s persecute him' [episode]. It’s really just, 'Well, this is how I feel about his work. This is what he meant to me and with these circumstances, this is how I’m trying to deal with that.'"

Carmichael also reveals that season two will explore gentrification, Islamophobia, cheating, and the death of a family member. The Carmichael Show is set to return this spring.

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The Carmichael Show’s Complicated Answer to ‘Is It Okay to Enjoy Bill Cosby’s Comedy Anymore?’
By Matt Zoller SeitzFollow @mattzollerseitzShare64Tweet17Share3Email11The Carmichael Show, urging his girlfriend to join him at a Bill Cosby show. "Who knows how long he's gonna be alive. Or free."

Sunday night's installment of Jerrod Carmichael's comedy series, whichreturned for a second season Wednesday, deals not just with the Cosby rape allegations, but with the audience's ethical responsibility toward the art and entertainment it consumes. It is the second major network sitcom episode in two weeks to weave a blunt, Norman Lear-style discussion of current events into its storyline. The other was the February 25 episode ofBlack-ish (which does this kind of thing regularly, though rarely with as much force). Louis C.K.'s download-only sitcom Horace and Pete works in the same vein. If you want sitcoms that are directly connected to life, it's a good time to be watching TV.

To its credit, the Carmichael episode doesn't take an either-or stance, nor does it devolve into a shouting match. It keeps the discussion low-key, and it recognizes that the further away you get from the matter at hand — whether to stop watching and listening to anything the accused rapist Cosby has been associated with — the harder it becomes to strike a definitive pose.

"You would have to knock me unconscious to get me to see Bill Cosby," says the hero's girlfriend Maxine (Amber Stevens West). That eventually becomes the consensus of most of the show's major characters — how could it be otherwise, with upwards of 50 women accusing the comedian of sexual assault? — but it's not the be-all and end-all on the topic generally.The Carmichael Show does plenty to complicate the discussion, citing Cosby's pioneering status as an African-American entertainer (I didn't know Nelson Mandela watched The Cosby Show while in prison!), and bringing in Woody Allen, Michael Jackson, and other problematic or disgraced entertainers.

The point is not to shut anybody down, but to get everybody to climb down off their high horses for a minute, and think about why they believe what they say they believe, and whether they are cutting some entertainers breaks while giving others the consumers' version of the death penalty.

Carmichael's character, Jerrod, isn't wrong to point out that his girlfriend paid to see Allen's Blue Jasmine in a theater at the height of the molestation allegations (she responds by pledging never to pay to see another Allen movie if Jerrod declines to see Cosby perform). Nor is the series wrong to point out that every ticket to a Mark Wahlberg film represents an investment in a man who committed violent, possibly bias-driven crimes as a teenager. Michael Jackson was accused of multiple incidents of child molestation, but we listen to his music; is this okay because he's dead? When Bill Cosby finally dies, will it be okay to watchThe Cosby Show again?

"Talent trumps morals," the hero declares early in the episode, but he becomes less sure of himself with time. The only conclusion anyone can come to is that we all have to make these decisions for ourselves, and on our own terms, and that the fact that nobody's reasoning is perfect shouldn't dissuade us from reasoning.
 
Jerrod Carmichael on the Bill Cosby Episode of The Carmichael Show, ‘Fallen Heroes’

If there’s one thing comedian Jerrod Carmichael wants to do with his NBC sitcom, The Carmichael Show, and his comedy in general, it’s foster debate. Case in point: the Bill Cosby episode of his show, which succeeds, as The Carmichael Show often does, by defying the assumption that opinions are monoliths. Each character approaches the issue of whether or not to attend a Cosby stand-up show from a different angle, and the comedy emerges from that conflict. In "Fallen Heroes," which aired tonight on NBC, characters don’t necessarily suggest Cosby didn’t do it, but they do debate the tougher issue: whether that means they have to completely throw away what he and his show meant for them. Carmichael is not a Cosby apologist; he’s an apologist for the Cosby apologist begrudgingly lingering in our subconsciouses.

It’s a complicated issue, and Carmichael wants to keep it that way, allowing nothing to be a given — even the assumption that just because an interviewer wants to talk about something that the artist has to be game. Below is my interview about the episode, including the disagreement about me interviewing him about Cosby, just like Carmichael would’ve wanted it.

Jerrod Carmichael: [Continuing a conversation before recording] All of my friends refer to when they turn 23 as their Jordan year. None of them accomplished remotely what Michael Jordan accomplished at age 23 or with that number but it makes people feel good.

When I was a kid I couldn't wait to be 23. It was arguably the worst of my adult years.
Really?

It wasn't terrible but I definitely was at a low, professionally.
Yeah. I anticipate 30. I like 30 literally only from a business perspective. It lends itself to a certain level of legitimacy. It's just like, alright, well you're 30. It's easier for the 60-year-olds in power to accept.

And then you're no longer a young upstart.
The obsession with youth. They love, But did you know how young he is? Well, I’m not young.

Let’s talk about Bill Cosby.
I understand why you want to talk about Cosby. The headlines. It's buzzy, it's flashy. It's a new guy you don't really know, but he's talking about Bill Cosby. How fucking exciting is that?! But who wants to just talk about that.

I specifically want to talk to you about Bill Cosby as a comedian, as a young black comedian, as a comedian who met Bill Cosby.
But think about that — your immediate association, me being a young black comedian, has nothing to do with Bill Cosby. I think his work, if nothing else, transcended black comedy. So it really isn't a race thing. We can make the O.J. argument of a black man being accused in America, but that's all for journalism. Listen, that's a horrible crime. I don't care what race you are. I don't care who you are. It's a horrible crime regardless. So, let's remove the race from it.

I bring it up because in the episode, you specifically have a character, and the first thing she reads on the Wikipedia page is, “Bill Cosby is the first African-American to star ...”
That's an accomplishment. But here's the thing. If this episode were about Woody Allen, we would start talking about his early days as a writer. It would be a different list of accomplishments. I don't like the contrived associations because it's bigger. You know that. You know it's bigger. If Bill Cosby were Hispanic, if Bill Cosby were an Eskimo, the accusations are as horrific. The fallout is the same thing.

I am interested in your perspective as a comedian who grew up watching him.
What's happening here isn't a comedy-related thing. You understand what I’m saying? Comedians in trouble, how do you feel about that? People get in trouble all the time. It's removed from that. Those accusations have nothing to do with comedy. If you were a dramatic actor, same accusations. If you were a musician, same accusations. So the accusation has nothing to do with comedy.

He does have that bit where he talks about Spanish fly.But none of the accusations talk about his jokes. The accusations are associated with a man in power abusing it.

I ask less because of him, and more because I want to know how it affects you. I did a list of the 100 jokes that shaped modern comedy that came out a month ago. Bill Cosby's on that list. And interviewers asked me why we included Bill Cosby. I said you can remove him from your heart hypothetically, but you can't just remove him from the history of comedy. As a comedian, how do you reconcile the fact that he influenced you because he influenced everyone who did comedy, and the fact that he also has these accusations against him?
Once again, as a person who enjoys music how do you reconcile listening to Michael Jackson? As a person who enjoys any art, anything — it's the struggle of categorizing. How you reconcile an abusive father who provided? How do you reconcile an alcoholic mother who cooked dinner every night? You compartmentalize. That's all you can do.

Can you talk about the genesis of the episode?
It was a thing that people talked about, and our show likes to talk about things that happen in the world, and conversations that people have.

What point of views did you hope were covered by the characters in it?
Evenly distributed. The point of view around a watercooler, where Nancy thinks it's horrible and John thinks it's fishy, and Mike thinks another thing. It's a reflection.

I read that you talked to Judd Apatow beforehand. What were those conversations like?
Judd's pretty clear on his stance, and he enjoyed the episode. Judd read it really literally right before shooting that episode and gave some really good notes. Having Nick Stoller [one of The Carmichael Show’s executive producers] there is also incredibly helpful, having Mike Scully and these great minds on it.

There's a skepticism to your comedy. Was there a debate in the writer's room about how to approach an issue like this that you know could easily be taken wrong by people?
Yeah, you trust your intention. As far as approach, there was debate. With any topic that we choose to cover on the show, the beauty of the writers' room is that we know if we are arguing then we have something good on our hands. We have something that could be a great episode.

There's a divide in the episode in how the female characters react to this and how the male characters do. What was the tension there?
Everyone in the room is open about their opinion, open about how they feel, not afraid of an argument. That's how I chose all the writers: People that don't shy away from an argument. We all got to have a human conversation on it. This is a horrific situation where nobody wins. Everybody loses. With that understanding, it's still within whatever we're talking about. If you notice with the episode, it's about yourself more than it's about that. It's about you and how you process and how you compartmentalize and what to do with it. We don't go into details — that's not our job. Our job is to reflect the people talking about it.

That’s what makes the episode work. Through the characters you allow a person watching it to indulge certain points of view that they might not have anyway. They might disagree with it, but you're still allowing those point of views to be aired and not necessarily vilified. What was interesting is how this worked into the material you already did on your HBO special, Love at the Store, about talent being more important than morals; however, here, it came from different points of view. In what ways do you feel like the show is a better articulation of your comedic view than stand-up is?
It's a complete argument. By nature of being one guy on a stage, you get one perspective a lot of times within a bit. The show allows for everyone to have a bit of my stand-up. It's sprinkled throughout the characters because it's a constant argument and it's all for the sake of exploration. It's all for analyzing any topic from all sides. I get to argue one thing onstage from one side and now it's all angles and responses, and it's rich. It's a rich argument.

This interview has been condensed and edited.
 
wasn't bad. they attached woody allen in the episode so im ok with it.

still not quite natural yet as a show. it sounds like they're waiting to read the lines at the time they're supposed to read them. it's like a pretty good play as opposed to a peek into their lives like a good show is.

keep up the work though
 
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The premise of Episode 202, titled ‘‘Fallen Heroes,’’ is that Jerrod scores tickets to see Cosby perform; his girlfriend, Maxine, is appalled; debates ensue. (The show’s creators solicited outside opinions on the episode, including from Judd Apatow — one of Cosby’s most prominent Hollywood critics — and Darnell Hunt, a professor of sociology and director of African-American studies at U.C.L.A., whom Carmichael brought on last year as a series consultant to help him navigate controversial issues.) Carmichael offered few details about the Cosby story line, but if one of his old stand-up bits is any indication, the results will not be milquetoast: Arguing that ‘‘talent is more important than morals,’’ Carmichael cites the abhorred 2014 ‘‘RoboCop’’ remake, deeming it so atrocious ‘‘that halfway through it, I forgave Woody Allen.’’

In the editing room, considering his ‘‘damn shame’’ line, Carmichael said, ‘‘It might be more interesting to fade out on the warm feeling, because the line I say is, sadly, implied the whole episode, anyway.’’ He pursed his lips and walked into the hall. ‘‘I try to avoid having ‘a message,’ ’’ he went on. ‘‘The risk here is that the whole episode is a gray area, and that line’s black — I wanted to watch my delivery, to see if it allowed for gray.’’
 
wasn't bad. they attached woody allen in the episode so im ok with it.

still not quite natural yet as a show. it sounds like they're waiting to read the lines at the time they're supposed to read them. it's like a pretty good play as opposed to a peek into their lives like a good show is.

keep up the work though

excellent observation
 
Jerrod Carmichael on the Bill Cosby Episode of The Carmichael Show, ‘Fallen Heroes’

If there’s one thing comedian Jerrod Carmichael wants to do with his NBC sitcom, The Carmichael Show, and his comedy in general, it’s foster debate. Case in point: the Bill Cosby episode of his show, which succeeds, as The Carmichael Show often does, by defying the assumption that opinions are monoliths. Each character approaches the issue of whether or not to attend a Cosby stand-up show from a different angle, and the comedy emerges from that conflict. In "Fallen Heroes," which aired tonight on NBC, characters don’t necessarily suggest Cosby didn’t do it, but they do debate the tougher issue: whether that means they have to completely throw away what he and his show meant for them. Carmichael is not a Cosby apologist; he’s an apologist for the Cosby apologist begrudgingly lingering in our subconsciouses.

It’s a complicated issue, and Carmichael wants to keep it that way, allowing nothing to be a given — even the assumption that just because an interviewer wants to talk about something that the artist has to be game. Below is my interview about the episode, including the disagreement about me interviewing him about Cosby, just like Carmichael would’ve wanted it.

Jerrod Carmichael: [Continuing a conversation before recording] All of my friends refer to when they turn 23 as their Jordan year. None of them accomplished remotely what Michael Jordan accomplished at age 23 or with that number but it makes people feel good.

When I was a kid I couldn't wait to be 23. It was arguably the worst of my adult years.
Really?

It wasn't terrible but I definitely was at a low, professionally.
Yeah. I anticipate 30. I like 30 literally only from a business perspective. It lends itself to a certain level of legitimacy. It's just like, alright, well you're 30. It's easier for the 60-year-olds in power to accept.

And then you're no longer a young upstart.
The obsession with youth. They love, But did you know how young he is? Well, I’m not young.

Let’s talk about Bill Cosby.
I understand why you want to talk about Cosby. The headlines. It's buzzy, it's flashy. It's a new guy you don't really know, but he's talking about Bill Cosby. How fucking exciting is that?! But who wants to just talk about that.

I specifically want to talk to you about Bill Cosby as a comedian, as a young black comedian, as a comedian who met Bill Cosby.
But think about that — your immediate association, me being a young black comedian, has nothing to do with Bill Cosby. I think his work, if nothing else, transcended black comedy. So it really isn't a race thing. We can make the O.J. argument of a black man being accused in America, but that's all for journalism. Listen, that's a horrible crime. I don't care what race you are. I don't care who you are. It's a horrible crime regardless. So, let's remove the race from it.

I bring it up because in the episode, you specifically have a character, and the first thing she reads on the Wikipedia page is, “Bill Cosby is the first African-American to star ...”
That's an accomplishment. But here's the thing. If this episode were about Woody Allen, we would start talking about his early days as a writer. It would be a different list of accomplishments. I don't like the contrived associations because it's bigger. You know that. You know it's bigger. If Bill Cosby were Hispanic, if Bill Cosby were an Eskimo, the accusations are as horrific. The fallout is the same thing.

I am interested in your perspective as a comedian who grew up watching him.
What's happening here isn't a comedy-related thing. You understand what I’m saying? Comedians in trouble, how do you feel about that? People get in trouble all the time. It's removed from that. Those accusations have nothing to do with comedy. If you were a dramatic actor, same accusations. If you were a musician, same accusations. So the accusation has nothing to do with comedy.

He does have that bit where he talks about Spanish fly.But none of the accusations talk about his jokes. The accusations are associated with a man in power abusing it.

I ask less because of him, and more because I want to know how it affects you. I did a list of the 100 jokes that shaped modern comedy that came out a month ago. Bill Cosby's on that list. And interviewers asked me why we included Bill Cosby. I said you can remove him from your heart hypothetically, but you can't just remove him from the history of comedy. As a comedian, how do you reconcile the fact that he influenced you because he influenced everyone who did comedy, and the fact that he also has these accusations against him?
Once again, as a person who enjoys music how do you reconcile listening to Michael Jackson? As a person who enjoys any art, anything — it's the struggle of categorizing. How you reconcile an abusive father who provided? How do you reconcile an alcoholic mother who cooked dinner every night? You compartmentalize. That's all you can do.

Can you talk about the genesis of the episode?
It was a thing that people talked about, and our show likes to talk about things that happen in the world, and conversations that people have.

What point of views did you hope were covered by the characters in it?
Evenly distributed. The point of view around a watercooler, where Nancy thinks it's horrible and John thinks it's fishy, and Mike thinks another thing. It's a reflection.

I read that you talked to Judd Apatow beforehand. What were those conversations like?
Judd's pretty clear on his stance, and he enjoyed the episode. Judd read it really literally right before shooting that episode and gave some really good notes. Having Nick Stoller [one of The Carmichael Show’s executive producers] there is also incredibly helpful, having Mike Scully and these great minds on it.

There's a skepticism to your comedy. Was there a debate in the writer's room about how to approach an issue like this that you know could easily be taken wrong by people?
Yeah, you trust your intention. As far as approach, there was debate. With any topic that we choose to cover on the show, the beauty of the writers' room is that we know if we are arguing then we have something good on our hands. We have something that could be a great episode.

There's a divide in the episode in how the female characters react to this and how the male characters do. What was the tension there?
Everyone in the room is open about their opinion, open about how they feel, not afraid of an argument. That's how I chose all the writers: People that don't shy away from an argument. We all got to have a human conversation on it. This is a horrific situation where nobody wins. Everybody loses. With that understanding, it's still within whatever we're talking about. If you notice with the episode, it's about yourself more than it's about that. It's about you and how you process and how you compartmentalize and what to do with it. We don't go into details — that's not our job. Our job is to reflect the people talking about it.

That’s what makes the episode work. Through the characters you allow a person watching it to indulge certain points of view that they might not have anyway. They might disagree with it, but you're still allowing those point of views to be aired and not necessarily vilified. What was interesting is how this worked into the material you already did on your HBO special, Love at the Store, about talent being more important than morals; however, here, it came from different points of view. In what ways do you feel like the show is a better articulation of your comedic view than stand-up is?
It's a complete argument. By nature of being one guy on a stage, you get one perspective a lot of times within a bit. The show allows for everyone to have a bit of my stand-up. It's sprinkled throughout the characters because it's a constant argument and it's all for the sake of exploration. It's all for analyzing any topic from all sides. I get to argue one thing onstage from one side and now it's all angles and responses, and it's rich. It's a rich argument.

This interview has been condensed and edited.
Good interview. I like how he took the interviewer to task and didnt let him off the hook for what he perceived as mislabeled and racialized questioning.

wasn't bad. they attached woody allen in the episode so im ok with it.

still not quite natural yet as a show. it sounds like they're waiting to read the lines at the time they're supposed to read them. it's like a pretty good play as opposed to a peek into their lives like a good show is.

keep up the work though
Agreed. It actually has the feel of a Tyler Perry sitcom... That off the cuff yet very choreographed and kind of plastic, stage play format and presentation.
 
Good interview. I like how he took the interviewer to task and didnt let him off the hook for what he perceived as mislabeled and racialized questioning.


Agreed. It actually has the feel of a Tyler Perry sitcom... That off the cuff yet very choreographed and kind of plastic, stage play format and presentation.

cause too many white folks got their hands in the writing room im willing to bet.
 
Carmichael cites the abhorred 2014 ‘‘RoboCop’’ remake, deeming it so atrocious ‘‘that halfway through it, I forgave Woody Allen.’’

He felt the same way i did about it :roflmao2:
 
I'm rooting for this show. I saw one episode and liked it. I was shocked to see it get a second season especially on NBC. That's a great look.
 
So is Judd Apatow the judge of all things Cosby now?

I wonder how much they had to change due to this asshole?
 
Oh clearly when hes talking about Apatow and running it by him first..

hell yea. every helpful name was white BUT i understand he doesn't have the pull to demand shit at this stage in his career on network tv.
now maybe if Oprah was in the business of fucking with other folks BESIDES tyler perry he and his black staff could have a show. matter of fact blackish, the carmichael show and mr robinson could be on her channel...and i'd watch it on her network too.
but oh well

I'm rooting for this show. I saw one episode and liked it. I was shocked to see it get a second season especially on NBC. That's a great look.

They had a good test run last spring so i think they'll probably get 12 episodes this time. if they do good then they'll be on the fall schedule. its a shame they do black shows like this though, you need to be 3 seasons in before you get a full trot out there but that's just NBC
 
Only thing I really despise about the sitcoms on NBC that have black folks is the intro music. Hate it. It's dated. it don't match it don't fit it's like they said ok well if you gonna be black we gonna remind you of the good old days
 
So is Judd Apatow the judge of all things Cosby now?

I wonder how much they had to change due to this asshole?

I surprised Carmichael did this...like he needed a pass.

After the way he was schooling the interviewer about how it wasn't about race or not taking sides...

If a man who wants to bury Cosby LIKES it then he feels it did its job?

How does that compute?

I have to watch his entire comedy special to be fair but based off his breakfast club interview he seems somewhat fake smart.
 
Ok I watched the other episode and it's Jerrod and the girlfriend and bobby. they gotta get their acting chops up. When It's david and loretta its seamless
 
hell yea. every helpful name was white BUT i understand he doesn't have the pull to demand shit at this stage in his career on network tv.
now maybe if Oprah was in the business of fucking with other folks BESIDES tyler perry he and his black staff could have a show. matter of fact blackish, the carmichael show and mr robinson could be on her channel...and i'd watch it on her network too.
but oh well



They had a good test run last spring so i think they'll probably get 12 episodes this time. if they do good then they'll be on the fall schedule. its a shame they do black shows like this though, you need to be 3 seasons in before you get a full trot out there but that's just NBC

Man I think NBC does that with all their shows. Well, the ones that they put on in like the summer time. They most NEVER make it to a 2nd season. They've had a few comedies take that route.
 
Man I think NBC does that with all their shows. Well, the ones that they put on in like the summer time. They most NEVER make it to a 2nd season. They've had a few comedies take that route.

possible i just peeped it with these two specifically cause they're black. you're right, might be the norm but usually it's only for 1 season and then they go ahead and get the full run.
hopefully NEXT YEAR lol they'll get the full 24 episode treatment. there's 24 episodes in this one easily because the show is just basically talking. they don't really go anywhere or do anything it's not dependent on stunts and shit. just the family house and his apartment and maybe 1 more place and that's the entire episode every episode lol
 
This show is garbage. Why is Loretta SCREAMING the whole fucking show?

Its almost like they put the dialogue from 20 other black shows in a bowl and started pulling it out. Along with the characters.

The timing is horrible almost like its a bad play.
 
This show is garbage. Why is Loretta SCREAMING the whole fucking show?

Its almost like they put the dialogue from 20 other black shows in a bowl and started pulling it out. Along with the characters.

The timing is horrible almost like its a bad play.
It's not garbage in any way but that's Loretta's character to be loud. It's takes an episode or two to get used to her. I didn't like it until episode 2 at the end. This show pulls no punches.
 
ok i'm back on the fence about this show...that Cosby ep kinda wears on you.....like it's trying to hard to make a point..

way to preachy

and Loretta makes my ears bleed...


maxine is fine as shit though
 
NBC Renews The Carmichael Show For a Third Season

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Well, that didn’t take long: NBC has ordered a third season of The Carmichael Show, just a few hours after it appeared NBC and producer 20th Century Fox TV were at animpasse over the shape of a renewal. The Peacock has picked up 13 more episodes of comic Jerrod Carmichael’s eponymous family comedy, which has quickly become one of TV’s best-reviewed half-hour comedies. Per two industry insiders, NBC had initially told 20th it wanted to commit to just 10 episodes of the show, an unusually small number for a broadcast sitcom entering its third season. While 13 isn’t a dramatically bigger number, it was enough to get both sides to sign off on a renewal. As one does, Carmichael reacted to the news via Twitter. “Season 3 of The Carmichael Show is happening, and it's thanks to all of you,” the comic/actor wrote. There’s no word yet on when the new season will launch, though it’ll be more likely than not sometime in early 2017. A new episode will air tonight at 8 p.m.
 
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