Do you think he's namond, and Rey is kenard?
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As far as we know, Fin doesn't have the Force, so Lando didn't have to have it either.
But even if Fin does turn out to be Jedi material, still doesn't mean either of his parents had it.
It's only when someone has a strong connection to the Force that we find out the parent did too.
Part of the reason Kylo Ren is so weak is because Leia never had any Force training and Han was only force-sensitive, not force capable.
Genetically, he got a bum deal. If Leia had worked on developing her Force powers, the Force would probably have been stronger in Ren.
By the same token, untrained Rey is powerful enough that it makes sense that Luke is her dad. He's the last Jedi, so there wasn't supposed to be anybody else left to father a kid that powerful.
The Jedi weren't quite a dying breed, they were wiped out. Darth Sidius had thousands of Jedi assassinated all in one day. They didn't need to have kids of their own in order to replenish the ranks, because regular people could give birth to kids with enough force power to become apprentices and eventually Jedi. But because the Force was out of balance, fewer and fewer people were being born with it.
I don't agree with this. The force can be strong with you without you being trained and able to control it. The force was strong with Leia, meaning she had a great natural connection to it... I liken that to a person who is naturally gifted athletically. He may never train and become a great athlete, but people who know better can look at him and say 'man if he only trained and was dedicated he would be unstoppable,'. The force was strong with Anakin, and he was well trained, but dooku still treated him like a kid during their first fight. It wasn't until a few years later, after much more training and experience and earning the jedi knight title was he able to beat Dooku. Ren is probably not as strong in the force as Anakin, and was not near the level of a fully trained jedi knight yet, but his potential was still obvious. Wouldn't have mattered if Leia and Han were full fledged Jedi or not I believe. Padme wasn't force sensitive as far as I remember.
Yep! The force was very strong with little Anakin when he was a slave on Tatooine. Remember how he was an excellent Pod racer, a sport that was damn near impossible for humans to participate in? He was able to because he used the force, subconsciously to guide him as a podracer.
Also, to go over the point @lukas james made, which you put in bold text, Han was never force sensitive....Where the heck did he get that from?
I hear what you're saying.
But what I'm saying is that Han and Leia could have had zero connection to the force and still might have had a kid who was.
They could have both been Jedi masters and might have had a kid with zero power. Both scenarios are possible, but not as likely.
A naturally gifted athlete who never even played sports or worked out can still pass on traits making his kids naturally athletic, but a naturally gifted athlete who also trains and conditions is more likely to pass on more of those genetic traits to his kids.
But some just as someone who has a connection to the force is more likely to have kids who are, some one who has strengthened their connection to the force thru training is even more likely to pass on even more of that potential. The stronger the force is with you, the more of it you can potentially pass on.
George Lucas himself said that Han Solo, although unaware of it, could be considered force-sensitive (not force-capable) due to his ability to pilot the Millenium Falcon as well as he did (think Kessel Run). They've never shown him to have any ability beyond that. Though to be fair, it's obvious Lucas didn't plan it that way in the beginning, he clearly didn't get that idea until after he made it "a thing" with young Anakin.
Leia, we know is not only way more force-sensitive than Han, but probably force-capable, meaning she can most likely consciously and deliberately use the force if she trained.
It was never shown on film. Fuck what Lucas said or may have said, if it didn't happen on screen, it didn't happen. Fuck that "could be considered" shit...
the force doesn't work that way -y'all are all over the place with this.
based on canon - eliminating jedi didn't reduce the amount of force sensitive being born- they just weren't being sought and trained unless the emperor sensed them and those were the very strong, which has always been few
there are entire races that are ALL force sensitive and capable of wielding the force
for the most part going back a thousand years jedis wouldn't have children but they still maintained their numbers
the connection to the force, the amount of power one wields is not exclusively hereditary
fyi - Maz Kanata is force sensitive
a parent training does not make one stronger in the force either- Kylo Ren is very strong in the force but really untrained, he is being conned that he walks in dark side but he isn't. Not Jedi not Sith, he has no discipline, no rage... just insecurity, fear and frustration. I'm very curious to see what corrupted him while training under Luke
IMO -Rey is related to someone - she had some youngling training... she was hidden on Jakku and had her memories suppressed w/ a command to wait implanted
Finn - they left him up in the air - so the next movies aren't locked in to him being force sensitive...
but in this movie the force is stronger in him than anyone else. The lightsaber may have called out to Rey, but the force guided Finn from the moment he and Poe said "we're doing this!"
Throughout the whole movie Finn's first instinct was always right (forget the "we all got to run away")
Finn was guided to Rey
He chose the Millennium Falcon while Rey looked for the practical
he pulled a Qui Gon Jinn when they were about to break into the base (fuck a plan, the force will guide us)
was guided to Rey again.
+instinctive learning:
capable on weapons system on the tie fighter
mirrored Rey in the Millennium Falcon
he defended himself 2x with a lightsaber without injuring himself
remember "there is no luck, only the force"
Whether or not that athlete trains or not will not make his genes more dominant or more recessive. The kid will get what the kid gets. I'd say he is equally as likely to get good athletic genes from a well trained parent who maximized his potential as from an untrained parent with the same potential but never applied himself.
I look at it like this. John Stockton and Vince Carter. Vince was way more superior in terms of raw physical talent. But, stockton became a better skilled player with his lesser ability. Because stockton was the better player doesn't mean that his son will get better genes than Vince's will. his son will still have short stumpy legs and be lucky to touch the rim.
If you still believe in midichlorians, being a jedi doesnt make your midichlorian count increase, it just makes you better able to feel and control the force. (are they going to get rid of those abominations???) The only benefit I can see Ren getting from Leia being a jedi is that she could have been more likely to train him subtly from his birth, instead of shipping him off to Luke when he was older. I'll give you that.
Lucas said that tongue in cheek...
Lea is as strong in the force as Luke but completely untrained... my guess is she decided to focus on rebuilding and defending the republic instead of getting any training
I had it in the top 3 star wars movies. If they hadn't done the super big death star with the same attack plan as ANH mixed with ROTJ, I would have like it that much more. I hope they are able to put some originality into the next two versions... but damn the new sequel trilogy got off to a great start in my opinion. There are so many different paths that this next one can take. I like Finn's character... he was strong and Vicious made a great argument for him being force sensitive... I really hope they make him a jedi. Even if they don't, he is the next Han solo type character, vitally important to the films.
This guy:
(General Grievous)
And this guy (as well as his ancestors):
Pre Vizla
He used a dark saber that was stolen from the Jedi Temple by his Mandalorian ancestors during the fall of the Old Republic. "Since then, many Jedi have died upon its blade" - Pre Vizla
There are many examples of a light saber being wielded by non-force sensitives, which have defeated/killed Jedi in light saber duels with better skill.
Mandolorians are genetically enhanced for greater durability and enhanced reflexes - its why they can go toe to toe with weaker jedi or sithAnd this guy (as well as his ancestors):
Pre Vizla
He used a dark saber that was stolen from the Jedi Temple by his Mandalorian ancestors during the fall of the Old Republic. "Since then, many Jedi have died upon its blade" - Pre Vizla
There are many examples of a light saber being wielded by non-force sensitives, which have defeated/killed Jedi in light saber duels with better skill.
Again.... Grevious was a cyborg with fighting computers that enabled him to use lightsabers effectively
I don't know where they stand on midichlorians. I wouldn't be surprised if no Star Wars movie ever mentions that shit again.
But if that explanation still stands, then you're probably right.
If it's just plain genetics, then you're absolutely wrong.
We're not talking about the difference between two NBA players.
We're talking about the difference between 2 radically different versions of the same person.
Two identical twins who lived their lives at opposite sides of the athletic spectrum will not pass on the exact same athletic potential as each other.
Certain traits in their DNA will be the same for both no matter what type of lifestyle they lived, but some gene sequences are activated or deactivated due to their different lifestyles when passed on to offspring.
The genetic sample more closely reflects the physical state you're in at that given time.
please post the research where you got this from
Procreation does not require love or emotion. Jedis can make kids, and bounce. Oath is still intact.
And why are you convinced he is Lando's son? What is there to suggest that?
Completely false.... and before you buck. Im a doctor, Ive bred Great danes for over 20 years, have done genetic research and have taken enough Genetics classes to damn near be a certified Geneticist.
Heres a quick break down.
Monozygotic or Identical Twins: From one sperm fertilizing one egg and then the zygote (egg and sperm combo) splits.... ALWAYS the same genetic composition and same sex. Can be the same genetic makeup but look SLIGHTLY different. To proce the point taht they aren't carbon copies of each other. They have DIFFERENT fingerprints.
Dizygotic Twin: Mom releases 2 DIFFERENT eggs, 1 sperm fertilizes one egg and a DIFFERNT sperm fertilizes the other. This is Luke and Leia. While they both came from the same parents, the piece of DNA given in each of the 4 reproductive cells (Mom x2, Dad x2) are COMPLETELY different. They don't even share a placenta majority of the time.
EVEN IF you somehow were able to have a Monozygotic (Identical) Twins that had different sex, the male would express the Y chromosome which will change a number of factors, the female will disregard her duplicate X chromosome (for the most part) And express different traits than her brother.
Hope that helps.
let's not forget that Skywalker, Kenobi, Yoda and the rest of the Jedi Knights are essentially monks. Vader did Force choke a dude who mocked his "religion" and there is a spiritual feel to the Force, that is until George Mr. Midi-chlorian Lucas decided to make it nothing more than bacteria in the blood. And there is some kind of rule against marriage or something..but none of that has anything to do with the OT so its not canon IMO
If you look, you'll see where I said "2 different versions of the same person."
I loosely used the term "identical twins" to indicate a visual and mental starting point for the imagination.
We're not talking about Luke and Leia, or any other twins.
We're talking about hypothetical carbon copies (yes, i know, no such thing) ONLY because were taking them in 2 different directions.
We're talking about how 1 genetic makeup, due to lifestyle/environment, can change in terms of which genes are "on" or "off" when passed to the next generation.
Bruh, that's 10th grade biology class, but if you doubt it, Google it.
Try "gene expression" and "epigenetics".
ok. had nothing to do with my point that procreation doesn't require marriage or attachment. They don't want feelings or personal relationships to interfere. Knocking up some chick, and leaving your kid in a desert protects you and the kid. Jedis aren't banned from sex. They are discouraged from forming relationships. Anakin said bump that.
Ima see it again
Phasma was supremely underutilized in ep7 and her 2 "big" scenes were complete let-downs, after some of the hype that surrounded that character once the trailers were released....but there is hope for ep 8.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star...Whole-Lot-More-One-Side-Character-101547.html
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star...Whole-Lot-More-One-Side-Character-101547.html
ok, but it doesn't work the way you described
this white boy behind me was about to say run nigga run when fin was first running from the other storm troopers but as soon as he said run..i looked at him and he did the whole "ahem cough cough cough" thing.
that was the only low point for me but i give it a solid 7.5 because they did what they needed to do, pass the torch to the new generation so they can make 5 more of these movies.
7.5 cause Ren was that fucking awesome
lol... dont know what i was thinking about.
well vader SAYS I'm your father..but since he's a villain the biggest speculation after that among fans was whether he was lying or not. If there was an internet back in 1980 the Empire Strikes Back thread in bgol would have been 50+ pages just arguing over if vader was telling the truth or trying to fuck with luke..
we're already 11 pages in and cats are seriously debating the parentage of rey and finn
Lucas wanted the stories to have symmetry and mirror each other and I get that..but thats the biggest issue fanboys will have once the hype dies down. Its one thing to mirror basic elements its another to just replay exact scenes and plot elements verbatim.
ANOTHER death star??
ANOTHER person from a desert setting? Its fine that Rey comes from humble beginnings but there isn't any other place she could have come from in the GALAXY?
R2 took himself out of the game because he's SAD..really??
If theyre just going to replay episodes 4,5 and 6 then what are we getting invested in and for what?? to see the same things happen dang near the same way over and over again?
Lucas tried to mirror his prequels but he made bad choices in writing and execution. People complain about casting but the actors can only do their best with whats given to them. the biggest detractors to me in the prequels was
Anakin was too young
midi-chlorians
convoluted plot about taxation of space routes.
Also the whole symmetrical/mirror arc doesn't work for the prequels like it does for the later trilogies. in a nutshell it goes like this:
OT
Ep 4 - humble beginnings, begins journey
Ep5 - trains to be a jedi, sad ending
Ep 6 - becomes Jedi, happy ending
3rd Trilogy
Ep 7 - humble beginnings, begins journey
Ep 8 - trains to be a jedi, sad ending
Ep 9 - becomes Jedi, happy ending
But the PT kicks everything off so its arc is
Ep 1 - humble beginnings, begins journey
Ep 2 - trains to be a jedi, sad ending
Ep 3 - becomes sith, sad ending
I just hope ep 8 isn't going to be almost shot for shot like 7 was..
ANOTHER death star??
ANOTHER person from a desert setting? Its fine that Rey comes from humble beginnings but there isn't any other place she could have come from in the GALAXY?
R2 took himself out of the game because he's SAD..really??
If theyre just going to replay episodes 4,5 and 6 then what are we getting invested in and for what?? to see the same things happen dang near the same way over and over again?
Lucas tried to mirror his prequels but he made bad choices in writing and execution. People complain about casting but the actors can only do their best with whats given to them. the biggest detractors to me in the prequels was
Anakin was too young
midi-chlorians
convoluted plot about taxation of space routes.
Also the whole symmetrical/mirror arc doesn't work for the prequels like it does for the later trilogies. in a nutshell it goes like this:
OT
Ep 4 - humble beginnings, begins journey
Ep5 - trains to be a jedi, sad ending
Ep 6 - becomes Jedi, happy ending
3rd Trilogy
Ep 7 - humble beginnings, begins journey
Ep 8 - trains to be a jedi, sad ending
Ep 9 - becomes Jedi, happy ending
But the PT kicks everything off so its arc is
Ep 1 - humble beginnings, begins journey
Ep 2 - trains to be a jedi, sad ending
Ep 3 - becomes sith, sad ending
I just hope ep 8 isn't going to be almost shot for shot like 7 was..
I just saw the movie. I really enjoyed it. I knew Kylo was either Han and Leia son or he was Luke's. Phasma didn't do shit in the movie. Fin held his own against Rin. Wonder if he's a bit force sensitive but probably not. Cac's had to be even more pissed about Fin and Rey's romance.
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