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There you go. for whatever reason YOU don't respect what the warriors are doing or have done and you really have no reason not to other than pure hate lol.
You said earlier if the warriors don't repeat as champions don't go nowhere like lol... like that's a thing. like you can't respect the ring unless they win it back to back
you were the same one last season saying yea they got the best record they got the best defense the best offense they got the mvp of the league BUT let's wait and see in the playoffs. Let's wait and see if they can do it
Once they did it... GHOST
You're a microcosm of the entire NBA.
1st thing out of everybody mouth is "they were so healthy"
YES! they were FINALLY fucking healthy lol
The 1 year they were healthy they ran away with the shit. Years before that? Curry hurt, Thompson hurt, bogut missing entire 2nd halves of the season and shit, david lee out for the season and shit but NOBODY said shit about them NOT being healthy did they?
Even during the streak bogut got hurt, thomspon got hurt barnes is STILL hurt. that's 3 different starters who's missed some time even if it is only for a couple games already during this season and people STILL talking about damn they so healthy if we could just be healthy we'll win.
Shit is ridiculous at this point. I'm not moving any goal posts. Look at what you're doing fam.. and I say fam because you are fam.
You came in here and said what happened like they lost lol
Not what happened they lost to the bucks again i guess they can't beat the bucks
you came in and said i thought they were going to get annihilated but they didn't so somehow this is a warriors fail?
Yes let's be objective then real quick
The Warriors are 26-1
The Spurs are 23-5
Right now it's looking like it's going to be those two in the conference finals.
I'm not worried about strategies and shit.
I'm worried about the discrediting of everything that they're doing. That's it.
If people would stop trying to undermine it and find a reason for it then I'd be cool.
All this other stuff? I don't know about. But just those things irk me everything else is fine.
I understand your sentiments about the discrediting, that why it's not a big deal for fans to defend THAT aspect. Everything else other than that is where I have issues in basketball discussions. If I speak to you about strategies I believe work in betting the best team, I would expect you to counter argue, but not to the point where you can not speak objectively because you know how basketball is played.
you know why I said what I said
When Miami lost that last finals.....people were in here rejoicing like a motherfucker
When the Spurs went out in the first round motherfuckers all of a sudden could find every excuse.....which by the way I addressed when you told me that Kawhi was the only one that showed up which was demonstrably false.
Then I heard that missing two of their core in the finals wouldnt have mattered in the finals for the Cavs
When I apply the same process to other teams.....its funny how there is always an adjustment..
But I am done with this anyway...you guys like who you like...which you are entitled to do.
I am not speaking on another GSW or Spurs game...
I am sticking to Eastern conference teams......
When Miami lost that last finals.....people were in here rejoicing like a motherfucker
When the Spurs went out in the first round motherfuckers all of a sudden could find every excuse.....which by the way I addressed when you told me that Kawhi was the only one that showed up which was demonstrably false.
Then I heard that missing two of their core in the finals wouldnt have mattered in the finals for the Cavs
When I apply the same process to other teams.....its funny how there is always an adjustment..
But I am done with this anyway...you guys like who you like...which you are entitled to do.
I am not speaking on another GSW or Spurs game...
I am sticking to Eastern conference teams......
You want objective lolol
Pick any thread about the Miami Heat ever posted on this forum..at random.....and then lets have a chat.....
I was NOT though. I was one of the people saying how important bosh is to you. How important wade is and how him being hurt, hurt your chances. I didn't laugh when you lost.
I never said Leonard was the only one to show up I said he and DUNCAN were the only ones to show up. Duncan outplayed leonard but leonard and duncan were the only ones to make an appearance that series and duncan took jordan to school.
If anyone else shows up they probably win the series however they get no pass. they lost. It's not that big of a deal to me just like the heat not making the playoffs after making the finals wasn't a big deal to me shit happens people get hurt every season is very much in its own vacuum and then you look at the totality of it all after
that's why i was saying the streak wasn't no 28 games or whatever shit they added on to it from last season it was 24. that's what I'll acknowledge those last season games don't count. None of them including the playoffs. they're the champs until someone else wins it all just treat them as such.
The issue with the Wizards is that they can be really good if they try with max effort.....but max effort all of the time is hard to do man
The Spurs and Warriors HAVE MORE TALENT than them
The spurs do not have to give max effort to beat a fair number of teams..
But for those teams that are in their competitive strata..ie the Thunder, Warriors, Cavs, Clippers...they better do it or they would get their wig pushed back
Again...if you have to give max effort all of the time to be a very good team you will look mediocre...
Believe it or not...there is such a thing as a switch in basketball....which can also lead to bad habits but that is another discussion
Warriors are the 2004 Pistons
I don't know what other people say about the Heat too much, but enough to know that people hated the Heat. Some choose not to ever admit it. I have no problem admitting I do not like a team. I was in some of those heat threads. The conversations were mainly centered around defense of the constant hate they would receive. Most of the time with people trying to discredit their accomplishments. No different than what some Warrior's fans have to do. This why I said it is impossible to talk basketball. a lot of times it's just a nonsensical arguments with little substance or illogical reasoning. Fanboyism.
From any conversation I ever have with you, bills, mask, rage, or anyone about basketball, I make sure that I speak with substance and objection because I want to have a real discussion. I'm not a fan of any team. Just the game. I got teams I hate and respect. I hate no team now, but I hated the Lakers and the really got tired of the Heat busting everyone's ass. That 27 game win streak was torture. I would wonder why couldn't people figure them out, so I would look for strategies to take them out. But when you do that you get labeled and the conversation turns from basketball to dumb arguments.
Bulls are the 2014 Knicks
true true
The issue with the wizards is their coach; im not sure why hes still around
I see your strategies but I feel like alot of those are based in ideal situations; or in a vacuum...Its like the perfect situation has to occur and even then it doesnt mean that the teams will win; But I will say you believe in the Spurs alot; for me way too much lol but thats you so its all good...
Believing and recognizing what a good team looks like are two different things. I recognize the Spurs as a good team (nobody can argue that). 'Believing' that they can accomplish a championship KNOWING that teams like the Clippers or OKC match up well against them would be a subjective opinion. Every strategy is ideal until implemented and executed with successful outcomes at the end. Whether is works or not, the philosophy of basketball is always put yourself in a position to win. And there are many way to accomplish that. I prefer to blow out teams, but that is not always the case. Some teams just out match the other, so you must finds ways to adjust. It's the nature of the game. Nothing about that is ideal. Basketball is like martial arts. Some people master THEIR style, but not one style beats all.
I been around the game long enough to see teams out matched by their opponent to win championships simply because they had a better coaching strategy and was successfully implemented.
Clippers take another L while Houston makes it to .500.
Clippers jacked up 38 3s while only making 11. Missing 27 3 pointers is such a waste of possessions.
Clippers jacked up 38 3s while only making 11. Missing 27 3 pointers is such a waste of possessions.
FOH y'all the 2014 heat who ain't make the playoffs
i feel ya
There is nothing to counter argue....they are the Champs...lol
Seriously? What does everything have to be so blanket around here?
dam... dwight went back to his orlando days...lol.and james only took 13 shots!!!!!!.houston we have a problem...lol
D Wade only missed 1 game so far this season. 
Butler: 'We probably have to be coached a lot harder at times
NEW YORK -- Chicago Bulls All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler had some harsh words for first-year head coach Fred Hoiberg after Saturday night's 107-91 loss to the New York Knicks.
When asked if he believed in the Bulls roster or if a shakeup was in order for players to start getting a message, Butler was blunt in his assessment.
"I believe in the guys in this locker room, yeah," Butler said. "But I also believe that we probably have to be coached a lot harder at times. I'm sorry, I know Fred's a laid-back guy, and I really respect him for that, but when guys aren't doing what they're supposed to do, you got to get on guys, myself included. You got to do what you're supposed to do when you're out there playing basketball."
The Bulls, now 15-10, have struggled in adjusting to Hoiberg's style after five seasons under former coach Tom Thibodeau. Hoiberg has a much calmer demeanor and style than Thibodeau, who ran a tighter ship than most around the league. Thibodeau earned a 255-139 record in five seasons but was fired at the end of the 2014-15 season in part because of a broken relationship with the Bulls' front office and frayed relationships with his players.
Despite all the tension at the end, Bulls players, including Butler, never publicly called out Thibodeau. Now 25 games into his first season, Hoiberg will have to do deal with palpable frustration from within his locker room. Butler acknowledged "it's different" between the two coaches' styles but has repeatedly shown frustration and anger at the way his team has performed throughout the season.
"It's not even about being coached a certain way for five years," Butler said. "It's making everybody do their job. We weren't doing what we were supposed to be doing, what we wrote up on that board before the game, and nobody spoke up about it. I did probably not enough times, but I think that he has to hold everybody accountable. From the No. 1 player all the way down to however many guys we got. You got to hold everybody accountable; everybody has to do their job. You win your matchup, you do your job, we win the game."
Butler said he believes Hoiberg can be the coach who calls players out when needed.
"Yeah, he's got to be," Butler said. "He's got to be on me, too. He's got to be on our leaders to call guys out when they're not doing their job. But I just think from the jump it got out of hand, dug ourselves a hole. When we do that, we normally don't come out of that hole."
At the same time, Butler didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement when asked if there is still time for him and his teammates to listen to the message Hoiberg is giving.
"It's on everybody," Butler said. "But I think when it's coming from him, it's a lot different. It's different when a player is telling another player and a coach is telling a player. I know it's really not in him like that, but, at times, that's what we need."
Butler, who has been open over the past six months about his desire to be more of a vocal leader for the group, feels he has to set a better example, as well.
"It's always frustrating whenever you lose," Butler said. "If we would have won, we wouldn't be saying this, but since we lost the way that we did, I think that had something to do with it. ... No matter if we were a veteran or young team, you still got to do your job. But yeah, we have to lead since we are the vets. We got to lead by example and talk everything out out there. We got another one Monday."
Toward the end of his media session, Butler acknowledged the Bulls are indeed struggling with the adjustment between Thibodeau and Hoiberg.
"Basketball is basketball," Butler said. "Players come play the game, but it's different. I'm not going to say it's not."
NEW YORK -- Chicago Bulls All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler had some harsh words for first-year head coach Fred Hoiberg after Saturday night's 107-91 loss to the New York Knicks.
When asked if he believed in the Bulls roster or if a shakeup was in order for players to start getting a message, Butler was blunt in his assessment.
"I believe in the guys in this locker room, yeah," Butler said. "But I also believe that we probably have to be coached a lot harder at times. I'm sorry, I know Fred's a laid-back guy, and I really respect him for that, but when guys aren't doing what they're supposed to do, you got to get on guys, myself included. You got to do what you're supposed to do when you're out there playing basketball."
The Bulls, now 15-10, have struggled in adjusting to Hoiberg's style after five seasons under former coach Tom Thibodeau. Hoiberg has a much calmer demeanor and style than Thibodeau, who ran a tighter ship than most around the league. Thibodeau earned a 255-139 record in five seasons but was fired at the end of the 2014-15 season in part because of a broken relationship with the Bulls' front office and frayed relationships with his players.
Despite all the tension at the end, Bulls players, including Butler, never publicly called out Thibodeau. Now 25 games into his first season, Hoiberg will have to do deal with palpable frustration from within his locker room. Butler acknowledged "it's different" between the two coaches' styles but has repeatedly shown frustration and anger at the way his team has performed throughout the season.
"It's not even about being coached a certain way for five years," Butler said. "It's making everybody do their job. We weren't doing what we were supposed to be doing, what we wrote up on that board before the game, and nobody spoke up about it. I did probably not enough times, but I think that he has to hold everybody accountable. From the No. 1 player all the way down to however many guys we got. You got to hold everybody accountable; everybody has to do their job. You win your matchup, you do your job, we win the game."
Butler said he believes Hoiberg can be the coach who calls players out when needed.
"Yeah, he's got to be," Butler said. "He's got to be on me, too. He's got to be on our leaders to call guys out when they're not doing their job. But I just think from the jump it got out of hand, dug ourselves a hole. When we do that, we normally don't come out of that hole."
At the same time, Butler didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement when asked if there is still time for him and his teammates to listen to the message Hoiberg is giving.
"It's on everybody," Butler said. "But I think when it's coming from him, it's a lot different. It's different when a player is telling another player and a coach is telling a player. I know it's really not in him like that, but, at times, that's what we need."
Butler, who has been open over the past six months about his desire to be more of a vocal leader for the group, feels he has to set a better example, as well.
"It's always frustrating whenever you lose," Butler said. "If we would have won, we wouldn't be saying this, but since we lost the way that we did, I think that had something to do with it. ... No matter if we were a veteran or young team, you still got to do your job. But yeah, we have to lead since we are the vets. We got to lead by example and talk everything out out there. We got another one Monday."
Toward the end of his media session, Butler acknowledged the Bulls are indeed struggling with the adjustment between Thibodeau and Hoiberg.
"Basketball is basketball," Butler said. "Players come play the game, but it's different. I'm not going to say it's not."
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