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I think Pat can still put together a championship team. The waiting players are:
Pg. Napier,Cole
Sg.Wade
Sf.James(Ray Allen probably package deal)
Pf.Bosh
C.Haslem
If I was him, I would've made these cats my targets from jump...
Pg - Greivis Vasquez/Chauncey Billups
Sg - Anthony Morrow/Vince Carter
Sf - Al-Farouq Aminu/Francisco Garcia/Richard Jefferson
Pf - Pau Gasol/Kris Humphries/Jordan Hill/ Ryan Kelly
C - Jermaine Oneal/Emeka Okafor/Ryan Hollins
I'm sure he did express interest to them, but how u let the Pistons first to sign somebody decent. Lebron is waiting on you(Ray Allen as package deal), Lebron is waiting on your actions. Im offering Gasol slightly more than the MLE early.
I think Pat can still put together a championship team. The waiting players are:
Pg. Napier,Cole
Sg.Wade
Sf.James(Ray Allen probably package deal)
Pf.Bosh
C.Haslem
If I was him, I would've made these cats my targets from jump...
Pg - Greivis Vasquez/Chauncey Billups
Sg - Anthony Morrow/Vince Carter
Sf - Al-Farouq Aminu/Francisco Garcia/Richard Jefferson
Pf - Pau Gasol/Kris Humphries/Jordan Hill/ Ryan Kelly
C - Jermaine Oneal/Emeka Okafor/Ryan Hollins
I'm sure he did express interest to them, but how u let the Pistons first to sign somebody decent. Lebron is waiting on you(Ray Allen as package deal), Lebron is waiting on your actions. Im offering Gasol slightly more than the MLE early.
yeah good luck with that hot shit.
Knick already said they ain't doing a S & T for him
Melo's gone, Bron's not coming--and #Lakers didn't have a clue, giving Kobe $54M, THEN wooing
Lakers Lose Melo, Won't Get That Close With LeBron, Misplace Minds in Bargain
Say it loud and there’s music playing. Say it soft and it’s almost like praying…
Carmelo?
Yes, Carmelo Anthony, the “superstar” who has gotten beyond the first round twice, the second round once and the conference finals never in 11 seasons, is touring the NBA so interested teams–Bulls, Rockets, Mavericks, Lakers—can touch the hem of his garment.
Ka-ching!
With the Lakers set to offer a four-year $96 million contract, the New York Daily News reported that the Knicks, who are allowed to go a fifth season for their player, are closing in on a deal with Anthony at$129 million.
Hardly had those reports made the round when Laker GM Mitch Kupchak was said to be winging to Cleveland to meet with LeBron James’ agent, Rich Paul.
Just asking: If they wanted to pursue James and Anthony, why, oh, why did they give Kobe Bryant that $48.5 million extension, cluttering up next season’s salary cap with $23.5 million of it?
With Steve Nash waived and “stretched” so his cap charge goes down to $3.2 million, that would have left four more players under contract (Robert Sacre, Ryan Kelly, rookies Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson) with enough for a maximum offer ($22.4 million in first-year salary for Melo, $20 million for Bron) and $10-12 million to give six more players… after renouncing Pau Gasol.
Thus the Lakers were asking Anthony–and will ask James–to play with the 36-year-old Bryant; two rookies; one second-year second-round pick and eight guys off the waiver wire.
Hopefully, no one laughs in their face but for a storied franchise in what was once the NBA’s destination of choice, that’s not a serious offer.
In fact when the team gave Bryant that extension–at the prompting of Jeanie Buss, the popular member of the family, before Kobe returned from injury and lasted six games–the word around the organization was: We did this knowing that James and Anthony aren’t likely to be on the market and if they are, we’re not likely to have a shot at them.
Many misadventures later, the Buss kids, who weren’t capable of thinking the Kobe extension through, are desperate for a big score, no matter how unlikely that is with James and Anthony the only stars on the market and so little chance either would leave his team.
What the Lakers are doing now no longer qualifies as planning. It’s panic.
If it was Thursday, this must have been Los Angeles on the Melo Road to Nowhere. Of course, you may feel used if this ends with Anthony right back where he started, after wending his way from Chicago, where Joakim Noah talked Derrick Rose out of boycotting this meeting (as he did their 2010 presentation to James)… to Texas… to LaLa Land to see the Lakers… and, finally, what looks like a productive meeting with Los Angeles-based Knick boss Phil Jackson.
If Anthony would have taken less to contend, the Bulls and Rockets would have been attractive options, but with only enough cap room to offer $70-75 million deals, it was a lot less.
The Lakers were reportedly set to offer $96 million, even though it would have meant renouncing Pau Gasol.
A Kobe-Melo team with a waiver-wire supporting cast could make the playoffs but would be roadkill in the Western draw where the Spurs, themselves, went from 2007 to 2013 between Finals.
Oh, and there would have gone the Lakers’ money for Kevin Love or some other 2015 free agent–unless Kevin or whomever is OK with a waiver wire supporting cast.
And while we’re on the subject of Laker nightmares, as the team prepared to meet with Anthony, the Spurs and Heat were reaching out to Gasol. Now local fans, grappling with not getting Melo, can also envision Pau lining up alongside Tim Duncan or LeBron.
Long shot that the Bulls are with the lowest offer on the board, at least they have a reason to target Anthony with Rose’s injury history. It’s a mystery why savvy Heat Pres. Pat Riley wanted Melo–before writing it off as a “pipe dream”–instad of trying to revitalize his supporting cast as Gregg Popovich did, breathing life back into his Spurs.
Giving Rocket GM Daryl Morey credit for starting at square one and bagging James Harden and Dwight Howard, wooing Melo is another of life’s mysteries. With the shot-happy Harden, the petulant Howard and the pampered Melo, it wouldn’t be a grownup ensemble led by James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. “With Morey,” says an official of another NBA team, “it’s always about the splash.”
“Melo has always felt cheated,” said the official. “He got traded to New York. He didn’t get the billboards or the drama…. But he’s not LeBron. He’s not Kevin Durant. He’s not going to leave $35 million on the table. He’s going to take the money in New York for the same reason Kyrie Irving took it in Cleveland [signing a $90 million extension.] It’s a lot of money.
“If Melo was 26 and had two more max contracts in him, that would be something else. But he’s 30 and he only has one more.”
If Anthony has raised his game among those of the elite, his career is remarkable for his teams’ lack of accomplishment and his I-want-what-I-want-when-I-want it agenda. In 2011 he got the Knicks to trade young players like Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler for him, rather than go there as a free agent that summer to take one of their full salary slots… with the other waiting for Chris Paul.
A diminished cap projection with the 2010 lockout looming and the loss of flexibility with Melo’s $19 million salary is place of the eight players they had to move, cost the Knicks their chance at Paul, who was planning to leave New Orleans for New York–even joking about it in a toast at Melo’s 2010 wedding.
Obliged to find a new team, Paul held off until the Clipper deal was right, making sure they kept key players like Eric Bledsoe. With the Knicks, Melo had held out for no one, just the maximum number of dollars.
Grown-up superstars have much expected of them. In 2010 James junked a planned tour of the teams on his short list outside Cleveland–Miami, New York, Chicago and the Clippers–knowing it would look like it was about the attention.
No one is criticizing Anthony’s tour, however narcissistic an exercise it may turn out to be. If some GMs are too desperate to care, Melo’s not LeBron. No one else expects that much of him.
Hip insiders understand. Putting the Deadspin twist on it, the story about the Texas Tech football player who punched a women’s basketball star in the face in a pickup game, one was followed by a sardonic comment noting that women must accept equal treatment–”So, sorry ladies, but Carmelo Anthony isn’t going to pass you the ball, either.”
Replied theBeerBaron33: “What a horribly misguided post. It doesn’t matter what gender you are, Melo isn’t going to pass.”
Actually, it turned out that Anthony could pass after all. Ask the Lakers.
Lakers Lose Melo, Won't Get That Close With LeBron, Misplace Minds in Bargain
Say it loud and there’s music playing. Say it soft and it’s almost like praying…
Carmelo?
Yes, Carmelo Anthony, the “superstar” who has gotten beyond the first round twice, the second round once and the conference finals never in 11 seasons, is touring the NBA so interested teams–Bulls, Rockets, Mavericks, Lakers—can touch the hem of his garment.
Ka-ching!
With the Lakers set to offer a four-year $96 million contract, the New York Daily News reported that the Knicks, who are allowed to go a fifth season for their player, are closing in on a deal with Anthony at$129 million.
Hardly had those reports made the round when Laker GM Mitch Kupchak was said to be winging to Cleveland to meet with LeBron James’ agent, Rich Paul.
Just asking: If they wanted to pursue James and Anthony, why, oh, why did they give Kobe Bryant that $48.5 million extension, cluttering up next season’s salary cap with $23.5 million of it?
With Steve Nash waived and “stretched” so his cap charge goes down to $3.2 million, that would have left four more players under contract (Robert Sacre, Ryan Kelly, rookies Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson) with enough for a maximum offer ($22.4 million in first-year salary for Melo, $20 million for Bron) and $10-12 million to give six more players… after renouncing Pau Gasol.
Thus the Lakers were asking Anthony–and will ask James–to play with the 36-year-old Bryant; two rookies; one second-year second-round pick and eight guys off the waiver wire.
Hopefully, no one laughs in their face but for a storied franchise in what was once the NBA’s destination of choice, that’s not a serious offer.
In fact when the team gave Bryant that extension–at the prompting of Jeanie Buss, the popular member of the family, before Kobe returned from injury and lasted six games–the word around the organization was: We did this knowing that James and Anthony aren’t likely to be on the market and if they are, we’re not likely to have a shot at them.
Many misadventures later, the Buss kids, who weren’t capable of thinking the Kobe extension through, are desperate for a big score, no matter how unlikely that is with James and Anthony the only stars on the market and so little chance either would leave his team.
What the Lakers are doing now no longer qualifies as planning. It’s panic.
If it was Thursday, this must have been Los Angeles on the Melo Road to Nowhere. Of course, you may feel used if this ends with Anthony right back where he started, after wending his way from Chicago, where Joakim Noah talked Derrick Rose out of boycotting this meeting (as he did their 2010 presentation to James)… to Texas… to LaLa Land to see the Lakers… and, finally, what looks like a productive meeting with Los Angeles-based Knick boss Phil Jackson.
If Anthony would have taken less to contend, the Bulls and Rockets would have been attractive options, but with only enough cap room to offer $70-75 million deals, it was a lot less.
The Lakers were reportedly set to offer $96 million, even though it would have meant renouncing Pau Gasol.
A Kobe-Melo team with a waiver-wire supporting cast could make the playoffs but would be roadkill in the Western draw where the Spurs, themselves, went from 2007 to 2013 between Finals.
Oh, and there would have gone the Lakers’ money for Kevin Love or some other 2015 free agent–unless Kevin or whomever is OK with a waiver wire supporting cast.
And while we’re on the subject of Laker nightmares, as the team prepared to meet with Anthony, the Spurs and Heat were reaching out to Gasol. Now local fans, grappling with not getting Melo, can also envision Pau lining up alongside Tim Duncan or LeBron.
Long shot that the Bulls are with the lowest offer on the board, at least they have a reason to target Anthony with Rose’s injury history. It’s a mystery why savvy Heat Pres. Pat Riley wanted Melo–before writing it off as a “pipe dream”–instad of trying to revitalize his supporting cast as Gregg Popovich did, breathing life back into his Spurs.
Giving Rocket GM Daryl Morey credit for starting at square one and bagging James Harden and Dwight Howard, wooing Melo is another of life’s mysteries. With the shot-happy Harden, the petulant Howard and the pampered Melo, it wouldn’t be a grownup ensemble led by James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. “With Morey,” says an official of another NBA team, “it’s always about the splash.”
“Melo has always felt cheated,” said the official. “He got traded to New York. He didn’t get the billboards or the drama…. But he’s not LeBron. He’s not Kevin Durant. He’s not going to leave $35 million on the table. He’s going to take the money in New York for the same reason Kyrie Irving took it in Cleveland [signing a $90 million extension.] It’s a lot of money.
“If Melo was 26 and had two more max contracts in him, that would be something else. But he’s 30 and he only has one more.”
If Anthony has raised his game among those of the elite, his career is remarkable for his teams’ lack of accomplishment and his I-want-what-I-want-when-I-want it agenda. In 2011 he got the Knicks to trade young players like Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler for him, rather than go there as a free agent that summer to take one of their full salary slots… with the other waiting for Chris Paul.
A diminished cap projection with the 2010 lockout looming and the loss of flexibility with Melo’s $19 million salary is place of the eight players they had to move, cost the Knicks their chance at Paul, who was planning to leave New Orleans for New York–even joking about it in a toast at Melo’s 2010 wedding.
Obliged to find a new team, Paul held off until the Clipper deal was right, making sure they kept key players like Eric Bledsoe. With the Knicks, Melo had held out for no one, just the maximum number of dollars.
Grown-up superstars have much expected of them. In 2010 James junked a planned tour of the teams on his short list outside Cleveland–Miami, New York, Chicago and the Clippers–knowing it would look like it was about the attention.
No one is criticizing Anthony’s tour, however narcissistic an exercise it may turn out to be. If some GMs are too desperate to care, Melo’s not LeBron. No one else expects that much of him.
Hip insiders understand. Putting the Deadspin twist on it, the story about the Texas Tech football player who punched a women’s basketball star in the face in a pickup game, one was followed by a sardonic comment noting that women must accept equal treatment–”So, sorry ladies, but Carmelo Anthony isn’t going to pass you the ball, either.”
Replied theBeerBaron33: “What a horribly misguided post. It doesn’t matter what gender you are, Melo isn’t going to pass.”
Actually, it turned out that Anthony could pass after all. Ask the Lakers.
Yep but he wouldn't count against the cap
That's the thing Bulls could never create enough space to offer the full max
The Mavs had the space but don't have the balls to for whatever reason
Only leaves Rockets, Lakers, and Knicks
Dwight Howard left his bird rights last year but he signed the full max
You can't possibly think most players will not only leave that 5th year behind that not sign the max with the new team as well
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 16 minutes ago
It's difficult to imagine LeBron leaving the #Heat. With the Big 3 intact, aren't they're the East favorites to reach the 2015 NBA Finals?
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 21 minutes ago
You also have to wonder if LeBron is giving your team a real shot at him, or if he's just trying to tell the Heat to step up their game.
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 22 minutes ago
The danger of waiting on LeBron to make up his mind is that you may lose out on other players that you also truly want. But that's business.
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 24 minutes ago
If you have a shot at getting LeBron, you have to pick up a bat and take a swing. But how long do you wait?
It's difficult to imagine LeBron leaving the #Heat. With the Big 3 intact, aren't they're the East favorites to reach the 2015 NBA Finals?
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 21 minutes ago
You also have to wonder if LeBron is giving your team a real shot at him, or if he's just trying to tell the Heat to step up their game.
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 22 minutes ago
The danger of waiting on LeBron to make up his mind is that you may lose out on other players that you also truly want. But that's business.
Dwain Price @DwainPrice about 24 minutes ago
If you have a shot at getting LeBron, you have to pick up a bat and take a swing. But how long do you wait?
Chris Bosh is NBA free agency's quiet game-changer
By Paul Flannery @Pflanns on Jul 4 2014, 11:18a +
A player of Chris Bosh's ability should command big money and tons of attention in free agency, yet the rumor mill has been largely silent. Where he goes will have a huge impact.
In normal times, Chris Bosh would be a coveted player in free agency with teams tripping all over themselves in a race to offer him a maximum contract. Still just 29 years old, Bosh is a nine-time All-Star with two championship rings and is coming off a season in which he established himself as the league's most versatile defensive big man. And big men get PAID in free agency, especially players of his caliber who are healthy and still near their prime (see, Gortat, Marcin.)
Yet Bosh has been undervalued for so long and so amenable to performing a tertiary role that his stealth free agency has played out according to type. He has taken no meetings, and until the BronBomb late Thursday night that LeBron and his agent were planning to meet with other teams, there have been no rumors attached to the big man.
"IF HE WANTED, BOSH COULD UPSET THE ENTIRE RHYTHM OF FREE AGENCY BY MAKING A DECISION AHEAD OF THE OTHER AVAILABLE STARS."
There's the belief that Bosh genuinely enjoys living in Miami and doesn't want to leave his adopted home. There's also the notion that LeBron wants to take at least one other max player with him wherever he goes, and while Carmelo Anthony makes the recruiting rounds and drives the headlines, Bosh is the more logical choice as a sidekick.
It has long been speculated that Dwyane Wade held the key to the Miami Heat's free agency plans. Once LeBron exercised the early termination option on his contract, all eyes turned to Wade. Would he also opt out and forego more than $40 million in guaranteed money over the next two years for a deal more in line with his production and availability? He did, and so did Bosh, but Wade is still the one that drives the discussion.
Wade's long ties to the franchise have made him the youngest member of a small group of iconic players whose psychic value to a franchise has to be measured along with their physical contributions. That group includes Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki, all of whom signed new deals in the last calendar years. Kobe, of course, opted for one more huge payday, while Duncan and Nowitzki re-upped for far more sane numbers.
Wade represents something of an unknown, because it has always been assumed that Bosh would do whatever was necessary to make the numbers work. That's strange in that Bosh is far more important on the court these days. Big men who can do what he can do and who don't complain about doing it are the rarest and most valuable players in the sport after superstars like LeBron and Kevin Durant. If he wanted, Bosh could upset the entire rhythm of free agency by making a decision ahead of the other available stars.
LeBron's other suitors have a lot to offer
It seems inconceivable that Bosh would strike on his own, but plug him into in any of the teams rumored to be chasing after the big offseason prizes and they immediately become better. Take Houston, for example, which was the first team to enter the Bosh rumor mill. A defensive-minded frontcourt complement to Dwight Howard would be frightening, especially one who can shoot like Bosh and who has already shown a willingness to play a lesser offensive role for the good of the team. All of which makes you wonder why Darryl Morey put the full-court press on Melo rather than Bosh.
Or, consider the Phoenix Suns, who are loaded on the perimeter but notably thin up front. Floor-spacing big man Channing Frye is a free agent and Bosh could easily slide into the stretch four role while offering an upgrade defensively. It's not inconceivable that Bosh could also return to his back-to-the-basket roots in the right situation like Phoenix, where his post-up ability would be an asset, not a luxury.
The fit is less clear in Dallas with Nowitzki and recently re-acquired center Tyson Chandler already in the fold, but one suspects Rick Carlisle could figure something out. A Laker team with cap space is always a factor.
All of which is to say that Chris Bosh has options. Whether he chooses to use them or not is as much of an interesting subplot as anything else that will happen in the next few weeks.
By Paul Flannery @Pflanns on Jul 4 2014, 11:18a +
A player of Chris Bosh's ability should command big money and tons of attention in free agency, yet the rumor mill has been largely silent. Where he goes will have a huge impact.
In normal times, Chris Bosh would be a coveted player in free agency with teams tripping all over themselves in a race to offer him a maximum contract. Still just 29 years old, Bosh is a nine-time All-Star with two championship rings and is coming off a season in which he established himself as the league's most versatile defensive big man. And big men get PAID in free agency, especially players of his caliber who are healthy and still near their prime (see, Gortat, Marcin.)
Yet Bosh has been undervalued for so long and so amenable to performing a tertiary role that his stealth free agency has played out according to type. He has taken no meetings, and until the BronBomb late Thursday night that LeBron and his agent were planning to meet with other teams, there have been no rumors attached to the big man.
"IF HE WANTED, BOSH COULD UPSET THE ENTIRE RHYTHM OF FREE AGENCY BY MAKING A DECISION AHEAD OF THE OTHER AVAILABLE STARS."
There's the belief that Bosh genuinely enjoys living in Miami and doesn't want to leave his adopted home. There's also the notion that LeBron wants to take at least one other max player with him wherever he goes, and while Carmelo Anthony makes the recruiting rounds and drives the headlines, Bosh is the more logical choice as a sidekick.
It has long been speculated that Dwyane Wade held the key to the Miami Heat's free agency plans. Once LeBron exercised the early termination option on his contract, all eyes turned to Wade. Would he also opt out and forego more than $40 million in guaranteed money over the next two years for a deal more in line with his production and availability? He did, and so did Bosh, but Wade is still the one that drives the discussion.
Wade's long ties to the franchise have made him the youngest member of a small group of iconic players whose psychic value to a franchise has to be measured along with their physical contributions. That group includes Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki, all of whom signed new deals in the last calendar years. Kobe, of course, opted for one more huge payday, while Duncan and Nowitzki re-upped for far more sane numbers.
Wade represents something of an unknown, because it has always been assumed that Bosh would do whatever was necessary to make the numbers work. That's strange in that Bosh is far more important on the court these days. Big men who can do what he can do and who don't complain about doing it are the rarest and most valuable players in the sport after superstars like LeBron and Kevin Durant. If he wanted, Bosh could upset the entire rhythm of free agency by making a decision ahead of the other available stars.
LeBron's other suitors have a lot to offer
It seems inconceivable that Bosh would strike on his own, but plug him into in any of the teams rumored to be chasing after the big offseason prizes and they immediately become better. Take Houston, for example, which was the first team to enter the Bosh rumor mill. A defensive-minded frontcourt complement to Dwight Howard would be frightening, especially one who can shoot like Bosh and who has already shown a willingness to play a lesser offensive role for the good of the team. All of which makes you wonder why Darryl Morey put the full-court press on Melo rather than Bosh.
Or, consider the Phoenix Suns, who are loaded on the perimeter but notably thin up front. Floor-spacing big man Channing Frye is a free agent and Bosh could easily slide into the stretch four role while offering an upgrade defensively. It's not inconceivable that Bosh could also return to his back-to-the-basket roots in the right situation like Phoenix, where his post-up ability would be an asset, not a luxury.
The fit is less clear in Dallas with Nowitzki and recently re-acquired center Tyson Chandler already in the fold, but one suspects Rick Carlisle could figure something out. A Laker team with cap space is always a factor.
All of which is to say that Chris Bosh has options. Whether he chooses to use them or not is as much of an interesting subplot as anything else that will happen in the next few weeks.
he told them to step up their game by opting out early
he's taking meetings now because the heat haven't done shit
literally
nothing
You think getting an Anthony Morrow or Gasol keeps him there?
@EthanJSkolnick If LBJ was 100% he'd return he'd say so to give Riley leverage. He's not doing that. Reminds me of 4yrs ago, alot. FWIW
@marcusjj19 On the surface -- unless something else is going on -- this isn't making it easier on Riley. I agree.
@EthanJSkolnick Theory: teams in-play for LeBron would also be interested in Gasol/Deng. As long as LeBron hope exists...their $ is tied up.
@DolphinsManCave that's one of the many theories out there
@EthanJSkolnick would you be able to sum up where the Heat stand today in regards to who realistically is in play and who is a smoke screen
@tpcfins they're taking a run at top tier guys/ a bit of a longshot. Then they have other smaller deals on tap. Morrow, etc
@EthanJSkolnick @tpcfins
I don't see LeBron staying here and playing with those lesser players
@EthanJSkolnick Is it possible that all the meetings LBJ agent is having with other teams helps LBJ that Miami is still the best fit for him
@tpcfins possible, yes. I just wonder how it helps Miami recruit, when three is uncertainty over his situation
@EthanJSkolnick does it feel like LeBron is sabotaging Miami's efforts to strengthen the team around him? Max money, non committal
@marcusjj19 On the surface -- unless something else is going on -- this isn't making it easier on Riley. I agree.
@EthanJSkolnick Theory: teams in-play for LeBron would also be interested in Gasol/Deng. As long as LeBron hope exists...their $ is tied up.
@DolphinsManCave that's one of the many theories out there
@EthanJSkolnick would you be able to sum up where the Heat stand today in regards to who realistically is in play and who is a smoke screen
@tpcfins they're taking a run at top tier guys/ a bit of a longshot. Then they have other smaller deals on tap. Morrow, etc
@EthanJSkolnick @tpcfins
I don't see LeBron staying here and playing with those lesser players
@EthanJSkolnick Is it possible that all the meetings LBJ agent is having with other teams helps LBJ that Miami is still the best fit for him
@tpcfins possible, yes. I just wonder how it helps Miami recruit, when three is uncertainty over his situation
@EthanJSkolnick does it feel like LeBron is sabotaging Miami's efforts to strengthen the team around him? Max money, non committal
I don't know because they have nobody.. so really 2 players means they have a grand total of 7 under contract if they all resign.
where's the bench going to be?
Fuck him for suggesting that
he isn't sabotaging a damn thing
he made his demands he doesn't have to commit to shit.
Again, showing his lack of GM ability right in front of our eyes
Still quality FAs on the market that can play a vital role in the heat getting back to the finals for 5 straight years..
The big names in FA don't make or break shit..
Especially when all the FAs that were supposed to pack up and run to Miami, take pay cuts just for the opportunity to play with the 'Big 3' gave the Heat their asses to kiss and bounced elsewhere when they realized the Heat were going to pay them minimum wage because their cap is fucked up with the 'Big 3'
Yeah, they don't make or break shit..... NOW they the are all gone!
Especially when all the FAs that were supposed to pack up and run to Miami, take pay cuts just for the opportunity to play with the 'Big 3' gave the Heat their asses to kiss and bounced elsewhere when they realized the Heat were going to pay them minimum wage because their cap is fucked up with the 'Big 3'
Yeah, they don't make or break shit..... NOW they the are all gone!
Man Miami always operated late into free agency, the problem is Lebron added pressure...
Anyone follow @Josh_Tep? Apparently he broke Peyton to Broncos about 10 days before it happened, which was his claim to fame. Now he's claiming to know that LeBron is once again a Cavalier.
Last night his timeline went nuts because he posted this long diatribe about LBJ to Cleveland is a done deal and he's already told MIA he is not coming back. I don't know how reliable he is, but an interesting read nonetheless.
Here's his whole feed: https://mobile.twitter.com/Josh_Tep
Here are some of the interesting nuggets:
@Josh_Tep: LeBron officially tells MIA he won't be returning. It'll be breaking news tomorrow. He'll announce Cavs decision by end of next week.
@Josh_Tep: As I stated last night, LeBron is already a Cleveland Cavalier. Informed Heat of departure and informed Cavaliers of his intention to join.
@Josh_Tep: Some may already understand that LBJ and Mav Carter have virtually zero power in MIA. The show is run by Pat Riley, and Pat Riley only, in which has seriously destroyed any chances of LeBron signing with them, as LBJ has already notified MIA of decision to leave. With that said major money under the table is in play for Mav Carter if he can successfully convince LeBron James to return to Cleveland, where both Carter and LeBron will have full run of the city as they did when LeBron was first drafted here. Dan Gilbert has ALREADY agreed to take a step back from his role as owner, and allow the players and management to make their own choices (something he was unwilling to do in past).
@Josh_Tep: After Finals loss, LeBron texted former coach Dru Joyce II. The text read as follows, plain and simple: "I want to be back in Cleveland"
Last night his timeline went nuts because he posted this long diatribe about LBJ to Cleveland is a done deal and he's already told MIA he is not coming back. I don't know how reliable he is, but an interesting read nonetheless.
Here's his whole feed: https://mobile.twitter.com/Josh_Tep
Here are some of the interesting nuggets:
@Josh_Tep: LeBron officially tells MIA he won't be returning. It'll be breaking news tomorrow. He'll announce Cavs decision by end of next week.
@Josh_Tep: As I stated last night, LeBron is already a Cleveland Cavalier. Informed Heat of departure and informed Cavaliers of his intention to join.
@Josh_Tep: Some may already understand that LBJ and Mav Carter have virtually zero power in MIA. The show is run by Pat Riley, and Pat Riley only, in which has seriously destroyed any chances of LeBron signing with them, as LBJ has already notified MIA of decision to leave. With that said major money under the table is in play for Mav Carter if he can successfully convince LeBron James to return to Cleveland, where both Carter and LeBron will have full run of the city as they did when LeBron was first drafted here. Dan Gilbert has ALREADY agreed to take a step back from his role as owner, and allow the players and management to make their own choices (something he was unwilling to do in past).
@Josh_Tep: After Finals loss, LeBron texted former coach Dru Joyce II. The text read as follows, plain and simple: "I want to be back in Cleveland"
I said Vasquez would be a good fit plus he got some height on him..
Vince would be a good option of the bench too, don't like Morrow..
Okfar Gasol or Hollis are good at the 5.. If they want Gasol gotta offer more than MLE
Heat keep the core 3 all they have to do is sure up pg which they have in a young up start and center..
Get some complimentary bench guys and that's it
Re: ~*~2013 NBA OffSeason Thread - Who's Doing What??? ~*~
Nice list if you can land most
you need more shooting
spo offense you need multiple people who can hit wide open 3's from penetration
which is why i don't see gasol going to the heat.
they could post up lebron and have him play with this back to the basket right now in the half court but they don't
they could do it with bosh too
they don't so why would they do it with gasol suddenly?
yall will be complaining about how all gasol does is shoot jumpers fro 15 feet within the 2nd month
Nice list if you can land most
you need more shooting
spo offense you need multiple people who can hit wide open 3's from penetration
which is why i don't see gasol going to the heat.
they could post up lebron and have him play with this back to the basket right now in the half court but they don't
they could do it with bosh too
they don't so why would they do it with gasol suddenly?
yall will be complaining about how all gasol does is shoot jumpers fro 15 feet within the 2nd month
If that's the case I want to see what ninjas say about dude going back to a team where the owner shitted on him..
All I know is I'm going in of he goes back to Cleveland straight up ninja thought I was hard on him before he left sheeeeeeeeettttt u ain't see nothing yet, if he don't come back expect Riley to step down as GM and go back to LA
Yo eeww get the grill out I'm fry that Ninja properly
Now with that say I still don't believe he going back to the cavs.. He better off going somewhere else or staying in Miami..
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What about Gasol at the 5?
True, I think his whole mindset changed when Riley tried to play that power play head game shit! He probably had a Gilbert flashback. He definitely hit the Heat administration with a head fake with that Max thing. Sometimes it's best to keep certain shit from in front of a Microphone.
BeatDown, apparently him and Gilbert have peace'd it out face to face. I will say that if Bron goes back, Gilbert should make a public apology at the announcement.
Cleveland makes the most sense now. If Wade was Wade, Miami would make the most sense. But Wade is a shell of his former self. You can't play only 2/3 of the games on suspect knees and think you should still make $12mm. He should be making sub-$10 (and possibly coming off the bench.....and spend the summer working on a mid-range J). The Cavs have a young squad, pieces to shop in a trade, and 3 #1 picks next year. Miami has.....?
I wouldn't have given the guy breaking this story time of day but two things 1) LeBron requested max money. With him requesting max, it pretty much eliminated the Heat, bc him taking max would mean Wade taking a huge pay cut, which we know isn't happening. 2) Why in the world would Kyrie sign an extension in that place without some assurance that Bron would be coming?
Again, this could all be hype and he goes back to Miami, but the story does pass the laugh test.
Cleveland makes the most sense now. If Wade was Wade, Miami would make the most sense. But Wade is a shell of his former self. You can't play only 2/3 of the games on suspect knees and think you should still make $12mm. He should be making sub-$10 (and possibly coming off the bench.....and spend the summer working on a mid-range J). The Cavs have a young squad, pieces to shop in a trade, and 3 #1 picks next year. Miami has.....?
I wouldn't have given the guy breaking this story time of day but two things 1) LeBron requested max money. With him requesting max, it pretty much eliminated the Heat, bc him taking max would mean Wade taking a huge pay cut, which we know isn't happening. 2) Why in the world would Kyrie sign an extension in that place without some assurance that Bron would be coming?
Again, this could all be hype and he goes back to Miami, but the story does pass the laugh test.
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Doesn't matter, he'd be playing the 5 anyway.
unless there is a radical change in philosophy the heat don't want their big men in the lane taking up the space for lebron and wade to operate.
they want them to not be down low but somehow find a way to rebound aggressively
gasol would be out of the paint and lane area
and if they change it up then that's a slap in the face to bosh who could have been doing that 4 years in a row.
the unwillingness to even pick and roll with bosh and other big men shows how little they mean to the offense.
shooters mean more cause after penetration and a couple passes they get wide open 3's that's how they won 2 rings. not cause of anything close to resembling an inside play
because they had people who could shoot 3's playing with the best player on the planet.
Doesn't matter, he'd be playing the 5 anyway.
unless there is a radical change in philosophy the heat don't want their big men in the lane taking up the space for lebron and wade to operate.
they want them to not be down low but somehow find a way to rebound aggressively
gasol would be out of the paint and lane area
and if they change it up then that's a slap in the face to bosh who could have been doing that 4 years in a row.
the unwillingness to even pick and roll with bosh and other big men shows how little they mean to the offense.
shooters mean more cause after penetration and a couple passes they get wide open 3's that's how they won 2 rings. not cause of anything close to resembling an inside play
because they had people who could shoot 3's playing with the best player on the planet.
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That's what I'm thinking, bout situations would allow the team to operate within the cap(not that I care if they stay under but paying players what they're worth I guess)
Pg...Napier/Cole/Billups
Sg...Wade/Allen/Morrow
Sf....James/Aminu/Garica
Pf.....Bosh/Naslem/Lewis
C......Gasol/Birdman/Oakafor
Or
Pg - Vasquez,Napier,Billups,Cole
Sg - Wade,Allen,Morrow/ Vince Carter
Sf - James, Garica,
Pf - Bosh,Haslem, Beasley
C - Gasol,Birdman,Hollins
That's what I'm thinking, bout situations would allow the team to operate within the cap(not that I care if they stay under but paying players what they're worth I guess)
Pg...Napier/Cole/Billups
Sg...Wade/Allen/Morrow
Sf....James/Aminu/Garica
Pf.....Bosh/Naslem/Lewis
C......Gasol/Birdman/Oakafor
Or
Pg - Vasquez,Napier,Billups,Cole
Sg - Wade,Allen,Morrow/ Vince Carter
Sf - James, Garica,
Pf - Bosh,Haslem, Beasley
C - Gasol,Birdman,Hollins
it wouldn't just be about getting rid of boozer but I think sign/trade would allow for melo to be on the bulls AND get the max
If he does go back I believe Givert publicly apologizing will be part of it. As I said before, going back to Cleveland is a lot bigger than just Gilbert to LeBron, he has a lot of roots in that area. Also, it probably hurt him the way the general public turned on him when he left and this will go a long way in repairing his overall image and 'like ability', going home to save the franchise. Cleveland in terms of personnel and future is a much better destination as well, with the young pieces and a budding superstar in Kyrie as well a 3 first rounders next year. Compare that to a broken down D Wade and the constant flux and retooling in Miami every year and it makes sense.
I hear u
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