Dude said basketball is an american sport.
Basketball is a top 2/3 sport in the world and we damn sure dominate that.
NBA is the best leag in the world thats what he is saying
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NBA is the best leag in the world thats what he is saying
Right and Pele is just one man...
Kids are going to see the people we have coming up now.. when I'm old they're going to ask me about how did green look his 1st game
how was yedlin in 2014
how come they didn't play brooks and he ended up an all time great
etc etc
Dude said basketball is an american sport.
Basketball is a top 2/3 sport in the world and we damn sure dominate that.
So Basketball isn't an American sport now? Since when did this occur. Last time I checked America was the country that has played it the most in the history of the sport.
What nations have invested in basketball at the same level as us for the last 20 yrs? I'll wait.
I never said we'd destroy them that's where the disconnect is.
I don't think we learn it we rule it.
I think we learn it, our best play it, we are top 5 we have a chance we are a power... not just a pretty good team.
It's not possible to dominate any other sport like we dominate basketball.. just not possible.
and these other countries literally have 100 years head start
Dude said basketball is an american sport.
Basketball is a top 2/3 sport in the world and we damn sure dominate that.
and there's nothing they can do about it
if our elite athletes commit
we will be elite period.
there's just no way around it
we have the money we have the coaching now... not some soccer dad ushering his son into coaching the team..
shit is about to get real
every young player we put in immediately did shit to impact the game in a crazy way that had you thinking why the fuck didn't they play before this?
if we moving forward
move forward
get the cac out of here
keep dempsey
None, there is no reputable basketball league outside America.
But if you're good enough and from another country you can come play here
which is my point about players from here going to play over there....
that's not true. there are some good leagues out there but not as good as the nba...
people get drafted into the nba from out of those leagues
all the time
Speaks the truth here. If only we can learn from the shit we film.
u learn to play like that on the streets
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I never said we'd destroy them that's where the disconnect is.
I don't think we learn it we rule it.
I think we learn it, our best play it, we are top 5 we have a chance we are a power... not just a pretty good team.
It's not possible to dominate any other sport like we dominate basketball.. just not possible.
and these other countries literally have 100 years head start
Ok, I got you. Top 5 is a bit much in my opinion, but it does sound good as a goal to achieve eventually. I say this nation could be on the level of a portugal within 30 years or so.
yep true
Those leagues are equivalent to the MLS.
Case in point "people get drafted into the nba from out of those leagues"
I never said we'd destroy them that's where the disconnect is.
I don't think we learn it we rule it.
I think we learn it, our best play it, we are top 5 we have a chance we are a power... not just a pretty good team.
It's not possible to dominate any other sport like we dominate basketball.. just not possible.
and these other countries literally have 100 years head start
ah here was the disconnect i get it now. you right we been saying the same shit
Better.
Don't underestimate the determination of the black kids in America
Anything we want we get
Right....
the topic was players from here need to play in the elite leagues to have the experience and I was saying that if they're good enough they will get "Drafted from the mls and into the elite leagues over there....
Messi doesn't play in Argentina professionally
Neymar doesn't play in Brazil professionally...
Etc etc
The way you said basketball was an american sport came off sounding like you were saying it was a sport only we played.
You then went on to say there isn't a worldly sport that we dominant, which is false, because basketball is a worldly sport and we dominant that.
u learn to play like that on the streets
Fam, I encourage my kids to play as much pick up as they can, no matter where they are or who they're with. There's such an underrated, rich education in the streets that you can't find on a club, travel or even University level.
It's truly what were missing at the top.
More than likely the latter. American sports fans are extremely fickle to begin with, so something as chess like as football shoots over most people's heads and they retort to, "this shit is gay.."
There was one of these threads on the front page this very week about it being a pussy sport.
Plus we don't win as much as needed to grab the American attention span. These all collide into a deadly recipe for disaster, hence the hate.
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The assertion that Americans are averse to football is belied by the reality. America
has the highest number of people who play football, at 25 million, in the whole world
except for China. America literally invented female football, and the female world cup,
thanks to Title IX. Those who are saying that the sport has failed to take off are
speaking out of the pain of being knocked out of the world cup. This experience, is
teaching America about the unparalleled passion in the game of football. There is no
Americans sports event that galvanises America like the world cup. I went to my
niece's job, in a big mortgage company, and she let me in without anyone knowing
that I was not supposed to be there. The company made an exception to its dress
policy to allow people to wear American colours. Employees were excused by
company management to go home and watch the game, as long as they could make
up the time. Old women were talking about the football, and many were asking
my niece about the world cup, and she directed them to me, telling them that I
was a man and knew subject better. When I went back to my job, the entire lab
was deserted. My boss was in the breakroom, but everyone had driven to Hooters
and other places in Richardson and Plano to catch the game, if not at home.
Ironically, I was the only person who did not bother to watch the game, as I am
continuing my boycott of the World Cup. I did politely explain to my co-workers
earlier, that the European team would win the game, though
But at the same time Basketball has MLS (or lower) status in most of these countries. People play it and enjoy but don't look at a career too seriously or even really know how it is possible. I mean even in the UK I would struggle to name a local team, or tell you what channel it is broadcast on (if it even is anymore). The sport just doesn't have that level of professional attraction.
So yes you absolutely dominate but you should.
One of my friends owns and operates a thriving tire business and shut the place down for the match. Another runs a well known insurance company, and closed his doors at 3 for the game. I never thought i'd live to see the day where American businesses would close their doors or excuse workers for the tournament. This is true passion for the game. More than just a fever. There are legitimate football fans in this country everywhere you go. I was recently in Dallas/San Antonio, and there's incredible support for the NASL team there, and that's not even Pro level.
For the naysayers at present, I get the pain, but as posted here, its necessary for growth, so I urge you to find the local football scene in your community and follow it. Be a part of it. Don't let this Cup be your first and last experience of this game. There's so much more out there.
Watching some of those guys is like watching the difference between someone who started playing "soccer" as a kid and someone who grew up playing soccer. I mean that in the literal sense. A kid that never had a period in his life without a ball at his foot vs a kid who started at whatever age ( 8 for instance). You can see the subtle differences. Because I've been living in Brazil for so long, I've watch Brazilian football and the Premier League all the time because it's on TV... the Americans (the older generation) have two things that let you know you're watching Americans play almost immediately
a. the passes and first touches are rarely clean
b. the midfield lacks creativity.
The U.S. has gotten much better.. i mean we looked like amateurs in the world cup in 1994 but that's the obvious thing you will notice right away.
That first touch ability comes from playing for so long that you can't do it any other way. It can't be taught in so much as just learned and picked up from playing with people that play that way their entire lives because you'll never retain control of the ball (in brazil pick up games for instance) if you can't handle the first touch. You can get away with that in the U.S. and thus they don't need to learn right away to resolve the issue. For instance, a brazilian would have never mishandled the first touch like Bradley did against Portugal. It was the first touch that caused all the issues that lead to that goal by Portugal. And quiet at kept, that made a big difference because we could have gotten Algeria instead of Belgium.
For instance, if you start learning a foreign language as a 10 year old, you may learn it, but you'll never speak it like a native.. never.. you'll always have a slight accent, don't get all the slang, etc... only a rare person ever gets to fluency like that..UNLESS the 10 year old gets a full immersion in that native environment.
Pele was "discovered" as an 11 year old by another professional that took him under his wing and trained him secretly. But he had already been playing so much football as a kid that he dropped out after like the 4th grade. He was hustling on the street to make a bit of money and playing football.
That's what we're competing with
Dempsey is average. Howard is really good.
Dude said basketball is an american sport.
Basketball is a top 2/3 sport in the world and we damn sure dominate that.
It is mainly an American sport though. The rest of the world was all amateur level just 3 decades ago. We sent our pros to the Olympics and crushed everyone easily. However, the rest of the world has caught up...but for a majority of its history, basketball was an American sport...but it's changing...shit half the Spurs are foreign
Now, we don't even dominate with our pros...bringing home bronze medals and shit.
Athleticism plays a huge role in basketball and you can pick it up later in life if you have the body for it. Just like power forwards are moving over to TE in American football and becoming stars. It requires less technique.
However, football is primarily technique-based. You aren't going to start playing at 15 and become a pro. You aren't going to play another sport in college and try to convert to soccer so that you become a professional athlete. It will never happen. All the subtle shit takes 1000s of hours of practice... the foot-eye coordinate of guys that have played their entire lives is orders of magnitudes higher than your will ever be.
there it is^^^
Our kids will have to grow up with nothing but soccer on their mind, in order for the U.S. to consistently compete at the very highest levels.
He played 5 or 6 years professionally (with Santos) before going to Europe. A lot of international players actually play in the Brazilian league too. So some of these countries have good enough professional leagues to grow their talent and they're good enough to complete with the elite. The problem is that we aren't producing great home-grown talent because it's almost impossible to become elite competing against inferior talent. It's not out of the question for the a team like Corinthians (from Sao Paulo) or Boca Juniors (from Buenos Aires) to beat a good premier league team and beat them soundly on a good day. Our MLS teams aren't doing that.
Just think of how our youth could be if we spent the same amount of time and money like we do the church. We'd run this country.
One of the reasons why players play professionally outside their country is because of the money.
That being said a lot of elite Italians play professionally in their country.
Same for Germans and players from Spain.
I hate to use Pele because he is exceptional but Pele never played outside of Brazil during his prime.
Its happening already which is why the next generation of footballers in this country is going to be an absolute treat to watch. The kids who are 6-8 years old right now will flourish in 10 years time.
Good things are on the horizon.
I was at the beach yesterday in a city just outside of Sao Paulo. There was a dude out there with his two sons playing soccer. They were about 10 and 2. They were playing in triangle where you just keep passing it quickly (they'll usually do this where the ball can't touch the ground but the 2 year old was too young for this). One time the two year kicked the shit out of the ball but way outside of the triangle. He pointed to the ball and said "dad go get it". His dad was like "you kicked it. you go get it". Lil man ran it down and dribbled it back. Not saying he's going to be a pro but he's just an example of a kid that probably had a soccer ball in his crib and already cheers for his local team. They're in the sand man. Little man could barely walk in the sand without the ball.
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It's THE reason. If not for the money, most brazilians would never leave Brazil. If they could make the same money here, they wouldn't leave. You almost have to force them to leave. Neymar delayed it as long as he could but it was too much money to turn down.
Its happening already which is why the next generation of footballers in this country is going to be an absolute treat to watch. The kids who are 6-8 years old right now will flourish in 10 years time.
Good things are on the horizon.
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