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White Male Privilege Rebuttal Construction Thread
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Here's what I don't get, whites in privy positions are quick to point out how some great grandparent had to survive some atrocity. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU?!!!! Funny how they can fall back on something that DIDN'T HAPPEN TO THEM to justify their privilege, but we can't use slavery and it's Jim Crow repercussions to explain our overall plight, because "that had nothing to do with us or them." They're quick to tell us "I never owned slaves.", yeah, you never had to escape Nazi controlled Poland in the dead of night either, so shut up about it. Whether you want to admit it or not, white skin gives you certain advantages in this country. Just you because you don't acknowledge it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
*puts away soapbox. goes back to studying for exam*
*puts away soapbox. goes back to studying for exam*
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C/S to the fullest.
I read that response in its entirety and if I could shake all of y'all hands I would. That is an AMAZING read.
Grammatical errors aside, may I offer the following:
I think the main critique I have is the flow of the letter. You can look at it and tell that it was written by more than one person. This IMO gives the impression that it's not one collective thought but instead a group of ideas mashed together.
To edit this would require a melding of points (combing the references if the Black Wall Street or holocaust citations, for example) to make them one collective thought. As it reads now it's a bunch of chapters of a book without much distinction of when one chapter ends and the next begins. and yes I see the Roman numerals but i think that won't be in the final draft and it further proves my point because even without those I could probably tell when the baton is passed from one person to the next.
To remedy this I'd take the approach of having each persons thoughts on a separate sheet of paper and take the ideas expressed and combine those thoughts into one.
Right now, as is, this shit is ether. You get this to flow like water and it turns to Hiroshima.....
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Grammatical errors aside, may I offer the following:
I think the main critique I have is the flow of the letter. You can look at it and tell that it was written by more than one person. This IMO gives the impression that it's not one collective thought but instead a group of ideas mashed together.
To edit this would require a melding of points (combing the references if the Black Wall Street or holocaust citations, for example) to make them one collective thought. As it reads now it's a bunch of chapters of a book without much distinction of when one chapter ends and the next begins. and yes I see the Roman numerals but i think that won't be in the final draft and it further proves my point because even without those I could probably tell when the baton is passed from one person to the next.
To remedy this I'd take the approach of having each persons thoughts on a separate sheet of paper and take the ideas expressed and combine those thoughts into one.
Right now, as is, this shit is ether. You get this to flow like water and it turns to Hiroshima.....
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The existing of federal agencies today points to the validity of the issues we raise, EEOC etc and the compensation paid to black farmers etc..
What i normally do is correlate the struggle of other groups e.g. women and the real movement in corporate america to promote women to leadership positions.
Then ask if that is not valid.
If it is then why is 400 years of that fuckery on a much larger scale and impact not valid?
Then i say you didn't own slaves
But what would you say to the child of the neighbor your dad robbed?
My bad, I didn't do it while cheesing with the benefits of the ill-gotten gain?
What do you call someone who drives the getaway car but didn't go into the bank to do the actual robbery?
Whatever sources you have could be left here in this thread or the original I started as jewels for others to enjoy.....
I for one would love to have that information.And to Kaya that point about racism being about skin color as much as feminism is about a moustache...... Wowsers
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right?
The existing of federal agencies today points to the validity of the issues we raise, EEOC etc and the compensation paid to black farmers etc..
What i normally do is correlate the struggle of other groups e.g. women and the real movement in corporate america to promote women to leadership positions.
Then ask if that is not valid.
If it is then why is 400 years of that fuckery on a much larger scale and impact not valid?
Then i say you didn't own slaves
But what would you say to the child of the neighbor your dad robbed?
My bad, I didn't do it while cheesing with the benefits of the ill-gotten gain?
What do you call someone who drives the getaway car but didn't go into the bank to do the actual robbery?
The existing of federal agencies today points to the validity of the issues we raise, EEOC etc and the compensation paid to black farmers etc..
What i normally do is correlate the struggle of other groups e.g. women and the real movement in corporate america to promote women to leadership positions.
Then ask if that is not valid.
If it is then why is 400 years of that fuckery on a much larger scale and impact not valid?
Then i say you didn't own slaves
But what would you say to the child of the neighbor your dad robbed?
My bad, I didn't do it while cheesing with the benefits of the ill-gotten gain?
What do you call someone who drives the getaway car but didn't go into the bank to do the actual robbery?
Yo ...... my sides!!!
Sometimes there's so much truth in something you just gotta laugh
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Please do. I always thought the final editing (because this is being crowd-written) was always going to be a very serious issue (like spider said).
"Sure, they escaped the Nazis and whatnot, but they were also given the lushest part of an occupied country with the help of the most powerful governments in the world, AND that "country" gets about 8 billion dollars per year from us. Where does the "struggle" end and "privilege" kick in for them? Where's the line?" - the wife
Wouldn't it make more sense to present it as a point-counterpoint piece rather than as one long overarching response?
My contribution #4 :
"First, that there was a place at all that would take them from the ruins of Europe. And second, that such a place was one where they could legally enter, learn the language, and acclimate to a society that ultimately allowed them to flourish."
Unfortunately, during that very same time, other groups were not "allowed" to flourish.
Examples:
FBI's illegal COINTELPRO operation http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/cointelpro.html
Eq
The need for Civil Rights legislation
The need for a federal agency called Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
Equal work, equal pay legislation which we are still struggling with, the status quo being white males.
Don't ask, Don't Tell legislation
The fact that there are African Americans who migrate to Germany and flourish do NOT invalidate the existence of systematic programs that existed to destroy Jews and surely does not place blame on those Jews who failed to flourish in Germany today.
"Maybe my privilege is that they worked hard enough to raise four children, and to send them to Jewish day school and eventually City College."
You said earlier "acclimate to a society", yet your parents chose for you to attend a Jewish school.
Why?
Shouldn't you have attended an American school? Learn't American values?
Is there something wrong with American schools? The same schools African Americans, Hispanics and Asians attend?
What exists in Jewish schools that you could not get from an American school?
End of contribution
Thoughts;
Our arguments should be broad enough that it covers systematic discrimination of several groups since he is painting utopia for everyone.
It's easy to talk shit about AA but not so easy to do for groups like women and gays, he bites and it's all over
Imma call you,"The Toaster". You just singed his entire premise.
Point; Counter-point, conclusion. My 2 cents.
That works for me.
Couple things. That's not the final, order of the piece, like I said it was put in order so writers can find their part and easily identify what they said and give the concerns about their area before final editing which will be posted here.
other than that i got no problems with sammy editing as well as fixing the flow of the piece or if we want, to post it as point counterpoint. it's up to us.
other than that i got no problems with sammy editing as well as fixing the flow of the piece or if we want, to post it as point counterpoint. it's up to us.
i think it makes it more digestible for the short attention spanned ass layperson, and also makes the editing a little easier.
really just editing for redundancy and grammar for the most part.
you guys are some very intelligent brothers.
alright have at it. i want to put it up on the site today so it can be shared across various social media streams.
Title will be
What's The Easiest Way To Prove White Privilege Does Exist? Write An Essay Claiming It Doesn't.
I agree. Everyone who has contributed has done everyone proud. Hopefully this will be the start of something. Maybe collectively start a blog that challenges racial issues from sports to politics. Who knows?
I wish someone would remind his delusional, ignorant ass that those grandparents of his who were running from the Nazis had black soldiers from America who came to help save their asses and even though these heroic soldiers came to help their asses, German PWO's were treated better than the black soldiers buy white US troops!!!! His Jew ass needs to choke on that for a while.. this is a perfect example that racism is a cancer and white skin always is always treated better, so YES you benefit fromwhite skin!
I have to say, this is much stronger than I would have anticipated. Wish I had the time to get into it.
The question whites need to understand concerning white privilege is not that whites need to apologize for it, but to accept the probability of it existing. Considering that in most instances, whites use a historical narrative centered around the doggedness of self-assertiveness misses the counter-argument that some 'people' were denied that opportunity during the same period asserted. So to imply that his current success is based solely on individual effort and not privilege runs contrary to the historical fact that some were denied that. And that the mindset needed to 'justify' these conditions for others are in fact the underpinnings for a society wherein those opportunities denied others are more available if effort is given; If you are considered a member of the dominating group. Narcissism is considered a mental illness; Denial and self-aggrandizement are symptoms of this condition, therefore the targets of the authors assessments need not consider this nonsense because his entire argument is false, and delusional.
I started to write something along these lines as a part of the response to his intro and I think this point needs to be a part of this.
Nobody is asking him to apologize! It's just about having a basic level of consciousness and understanding.
That was my original thought. I like it better in point-counterpoint form. It just needs to still be cohesive (in terms of appearing as one voice).
Agreed and fixed.
Yeah, I'm working on my sentence structuring; Thanks. Was speaking in the passive voice to instruct, and not assert like your active voice correction which by the way; Is more concise.
I think that is the best way to present it too. I tried to make shorter paragraphs because that's how Internet readers read. I think bold subheadings should be used too. Most of us put our pieces out rather quickly, so grammatical errors are to be expected.
Yep. I agree on the bold subheadings if possible.
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