Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?

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Friday, Feb. 26, 2010
Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?
By John Cloud

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The notion that liberals are smarter than conservatives is familiar to anyone who has spent time on a college campus. The College Democrats are said to be ugly, smug and intellectual; the College Republicans, pretty, belligerent and dumb. There's enough truth in both stereotypes that the vast majority of college students opt not to join either club.

But are liberals actually smarter? A libertarian (and, as such, nonpartisan) researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Political Science, has just written a paper that is set to be published in March by the journal Social Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only whether conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why that might be so. (See the top 10 political gaffes of 2009.)

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example, a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics. What's new in Kanazawa's paper is a provocative theory about why intelligence might correlate with liberalism. He argues that smarter people are more willing to espouse "evolutionarily novel" values — that is, values that did not exist in our ancestral environment, including weird ideas about, say, helping genetically unrelated strangers (liberalism, as Kanazawa defines it), which never would have occurred to us back when we had to hunt to feed our own clan and our only real technology was fire. (See the top 10 religion stories of 2009.)

Kanazawa offers this view of how such novel values sprang up in our ancestors: Imagine you are a caveman (if it helps, you are wearing a loincloth and have never shaved). Lightning strikes a tree near your cave, and fire threatens. What do you do? Natural selection would have favored the smart specimen who could quickly conceive answers to such a problem (or other rare catastrophes like sudden drought or flood), even if — or maybe especially if — those answers were unusual ones that few others in your tribe could generate. So, the theory goes, genes for intelligence got wrapped up with genes for unnatural thinking.

It's an elegant theory, but based on Kanazawa's own evidence, I'm not sure he's right. In his paper, Kanazawa begins by noting, accurately, that psychologists don't have a good understanding of why people embrace the values they do. Many kids share their parents' values, but at the same time many adolescents define themselves in opposition to what their parents believe. We know that most people firm up their values when they are in their 20s, but some people experience conversions to new religions, new political parties, new artistic tastes and even new cuisines after middle age. As Kanazawa notes, this multiplicity of views — a multiplicity you find within both cultures and individuals — is one reason economists have largely abandoned the study of values with a single Latin phrase, De gustibus non est disputandum: there's no accounting for taste. (See pictures of John 3:16 in pop culture.)

Kanazawa doesn't disagree, but he believes scientists can account for whether people like new tastes or old, radical tastes or Establishment ones. He points out that there's a strong correlation between liberalism and openness to new kinds of experiences. But openness to new experience isn't necessarily intelligent (cocaine is fun; accidental cocaine overdose is not).

So are liberals smarter? Kanazawa quotes from two surveys that support the hypothesis that liberals are more intelligent. One is the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which is often called Add Health. The other is the General Social Survey (GSS). The Add Health study shows that the mean IQ of adolescents who identify themselves as "very liberal" is 106, compared with a mean IQ of 95 for those calling themselves "very conservative." The Add Health study is huge — more than 20,000 kids — and this difference is highly statistically significant. (See the top 10 scientific discoveries of 2009.)

But self-identification is often misleading; do kids really know what it means to be liberal? The GSS data are instructive here: Kanazawa found that more-intelligent GSS respondents (as measured by a quick but highly reliable synonym test) were less likely to agree that the government has a responsibility to reduce income and wealth differences. In other words, intelligent people might like to portray themselves as liberal. But in the end, they know that it's good to be the king.

The jury may be out on whether conservatives are less intelligent than liberals, but there's evidence that they may be physically stronger. Last year, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a fascinating paper by Aaron Sell, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the Center for Evolutionary Psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara. The authors measured the strength of 343 students using weight-lifting machines at a gym. The participating students completed questionnaires designed to measure, among other things, their proneness to anger, their history of fighting and their fondness for aggression as a way to solve both individual and geopolitical problems.

Sell, Tooby and Cosmides found that men (but not women) with the most physical strength were the most likely to feel entitled to good treatment, anger easily, view themselves as successful in winning conflicts and believe in physical force as a tool for resolving interpersonal and international conflicts. Women who thought of themselves as pretty showed the same pattern of greater aggression. All of which means that if you are a liberal who believes you're smarter than conservatives, you probably shouldn't bring that up around them. You might not like them when they're angry.
 
Friday, Feb. 26, 2010

The jury may be out on whether conservatives are less intelligent than liberals, but there's evidence that they may be physically stronger. Last year, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a fascinating paper by Aaron Sell, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the Center for Evolutionary Psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara. The authors measured the strength of 343 students using weight-lifting machines at a gym. The participating students completed questionnaires designed to measure, among other things, their proneness to anger, their history of fighting and their fondness for aggression as a way to solve both individual and geopolitical problems.

Sell, Tooby and Cosmides found that men (but not women) with the most physical strength were the most likely to feel entitled to good treatment, anger easily, view themselves as successful in winning conflicts and believe in physical force as a tool for resolving interpersonal and international conflicts. Women who thought of themselves as pretty showed the same pattern of greater aggression. All of which means that if you are a liberal who believes you're smarter than conservatives, you probably shouldn't bring that up around them. You might not like them when they're angry.
thats the same shit white people have said about black people for years I call this bulllshit
 
liberals sure aren't smart enough to get the damn health care bill done, are they?

fuckin' pussies.
 
Belief is the nucleus of conservative ideology.

Belief is the root of conservative capital income.

Belief is the death of intelligence.

Do the math.

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Liberals are progressive, smarter I'm not so sure. But the conservatives I feel are detrimental to advancement in this country. They are detrimental to new ideas and change that would better the middle and lower classes aka the masses. Example Bush a so called conservative refused stem cell research. Why? To protect special interest groups aka those who donate heavily to the republican/conservative party.

IMO conservatives are the elitist. They are also the root problem of what's wrong in America today. If the changes the liberals want were to put more dollars into the pockets of the conservatives and their supporters everyone in this country would be better off and questions like this would never be asked.
 
Social conservatives are idiots.....................................:yes:

That is why you find them in inner cities and the bible belt. One group votes democrat the other votes republican.


 
thats the same shit white people have said about black people for years I call this bulllshit

The jury may be out on whether conservatives are less intelligent than liberals, but there's evidence that they may be physically stronger. Last year, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a fascinating paper by Aaron Sell, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the Center for Evolutionary Psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara. The authors measured the strength of 343 students using weight-lifting machines at a gym. The participating students completed questionnaires designed to measure, among other things, their proneness to anger, their history of fighting and their fondness for aggression as a way to solve both individual and geopolitical problems.

Sell, Tooby and Cosmides found that men (but not women) with the most physical strength were the most likely to feel entitled to good treatment, anger easily, view themselves as successful in winning conflicts and believe in physical force as a tool for resolving interpersonal and international conflicts.
Women who thought of themselves as pretty showed the same pattern of greater aggression. All of which means that if you are a liberal who believes you're smarter than conservatives, you probably shouldn't bring that up around them. You might not like them when they're angry.


Let me read this in depth and I'll get back to you.

I will say this before I leave, I have notice this about white people. They are obsessed with physical size. Bigger white people expect to be treated better than smaller ones. A white due is always scared of a cat bigger than him. It doesn't work like that with brothers, a 5'8 brother isn't scare of 6'1 dude. He knows that if he's faster and more athletic, he can win.

I've spent almost 20 years in the military and law enforcement and I've seen guys get over because of their size, such as promotions and special assignments. Dudes could be stupid, lazy, and an undercover coward but the white boys would give him mad props because of his size.

I have this saying, "I've been mixed my whole life, I know what people say when they don't think there's any black people around. White people usually think I'm hispanic or arabic or something else ethnic." Conservatisim is all about race, it's not limited government, it's their believe that they're losing their "white privilege". I have never overheard white people talking about abortion or fiscal responsibilites, they talk about welfare and affirmative action.

Long story short, those types of people, they don't like blacks because we're not afraid of them like white people are. A 6'1 white guy fears a 5'8 brother.

All these studies are bullshit. Conservatism is racism. Most of them don't know anything about the Constitution or supply side economics. They're just buzz words that they latched on to.
 
If conservatives were smarter than liberals, they wouldn't be conservatives.

It's really self-defining.
 
Friday, Feb. 26, 2010
Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?
By John Cloud

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The notion that liberals are smarter than conservatives is familiar to anyone who has spent time on a college campus. The College Democrats are said to be ugly, smug and intellectual; the College Republicans, pretty, belligerent and dumb. There's enough truth in both stereotypes that the vast majority of college students opt not to join either club.

But are liberals actually smarter? A libertarian (and, as such, nonpartisan) researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Political Science, has just written a paper that is set to be published in March by the journal Social Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only whether conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why that might be so. (See the top 10 political gaffes of 2009.)

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example, a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics. What's new in Kanazawa's paper is a provocative theory about why intelligence might correlate with liberalism. He argues that smarter people are more willing to espouse "evolutionarily novel" values — that is, values that did not exist in our ancestral environment, including weird ideas about, say, helping genetically unrelated strangers (liberalism, as Kanazawa defines it), which never would have occurred to us back when we had to hunt to feed our own clan and our only real technology was fire. (See the top 10 religion stories of 2009.)

Kanazawa offers this view of how such novel values sprang up in our ancestors: Imagine you are a caveman (if it helps, you are wearing a loincloth and have never shaved). Lightning strikes a tree near your cave, and fire threatens. What do you do? Natural selection would have favored the smart specimen who could quickly conceive answers to such a problem (or other rare catastrophes like sudden drought or flood), even if — or maybe especially if — those answers were unusual ones that few others in your tribe could generate. So, the theory goes, genes for intelligence got wrapped up with genes for unnatural thinking.

It's an elegant theory, but based on Kanazawa's own evidence, I'm not sure he's right. In his paper, Kanazawa begins by noting, accurately, that psychologists don't have a good understanding of why people embrace the values they do. Many kids share their parents' values, but at the same time many adolescents define themselves in opposition to what their parents believe. We know that most people firm up their values when they are in their 20s, but some people experience conversions to new religions, new political parties, new artistic tastes and even new cuisines after middle age. As Kanazawa notes, this multiplicity of views — a multiplicity you find within both cultures and individuals — is one reason economists have largely abandoned the study of values with a single Latin phrase, De gustibus non est disputandum: there's no accounting for taste. (See pictures of John 3:16 in pop culture.)

Kanazawa doesn't disagree, but he believes scientists can account for whether people like new tastes or old, radical tastes or Establishment ones. He points out that there's a strong correlation between liberalism and openness to new kinds of experiences. But openness to new experience isn't necessarily intelligent (cocaine is fun; accidental cocaine overdose is not).

So are liberals smarter? Kanazawa quotes from two surveys that support the hypothesis that liberals are more intelligent. One is the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which is often called Add Health. The other is the General Social Survey (GSS). The Add Health study shows that the mean IQ of adolescents who identify themselves as "very liberal" is 106, compared with a mean IQ of 95 for those calling themselves "very conservative." The Add Health study is huge — more than 20,000 kids — and this difference is highly statistically significant. (See the top 10 scientific discoveries of 2009.)

But self-identification is often misleading; do kids really know what it means to be liberal? The GSS data are instructive here: Kanazawa found that more-intelligent GSS respondents (as measured by a quick but highly reliable synonym test) were less likely to agree that the government has a responsibility to reduce income and wealth differences. In other words, intelligent people might like to portray themselves as liberal. But in the end, they know that it's good to be the king.

The jury may be out on whether conservatives are less intelligent than liberals, but there's evidence that they may be physically stronger. Last year, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a fascinating paper by Aaron Sell, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the Center for Evolutionary Psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara. The authors measured the strength of 343 students using weight-lifting machines at a gym. The participating students completed questionnaires designed to measure, among other things, their proneness to anger, their history of fighting and their fondness for aggression as a way to solve both individual and geopolitical problems.

Sell, Tooby and Cosmides found that men (but not women) with the most physical strength were the most likely to feel entitled to good treatment, anger easily, view themselves as successful in winning conflicts and believe in physical force as a tool for resolving interpersonal and international conflicts. Women who thought of themselves as pretty showed the same pattern of greater aggression. All of which means that if you are a liberal who believes you're smarter than conservatives, you probably shouldn't bring that up around them. You might not like them when they're angry.

Bullshit science at work....too many variables to make a broad determination like this...people are not one dimensional you can hold liberal views in one area and conservative views in another...what political party one chooses to back is more apart of the advertising each party puts out to get an emotional ,not rational, response from their target. Never think you are smart that's the surest way to get dumb.
 
Liberals tend to be social activist, college professors, educators, so on and so forth. To be a professional on those fields you have to be smart so my answer to this study would be Yes liberals are smarter than conservatives
 
Obama- best student in his class, Harvard Lawyer
Clinton- Yale Graduate, Rhodes Scholar
Carter- Nuclear Engineer


Bush---Lol
Bush--Lol
Reagan---Actor, graduate of Eureka College


_____________________________________________________________

Having said this, I would rather deal with any of the 2 Bushes than any of the
first 2 Democrats above. All the Bushes are simple minded; if they tell they are
going to kill you, they are going to kill you. You can see where they are coming
from. Obama and Clinton are fork tongued, and possibly perilous to their friends.
You trust them at your own risk. They will say one thing and do another. I want
that in neither my friends nor my politicians.

I cannot speak for Reagan and Carter because they came before I arrived in the
USA. However, I hated Reagan from afar, and kind of liked Carter...
 
Isn't this the same pseudo-scientist responsible for the research piece: "Why Black Women Are Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women"

Why can't this joker just go away.
 
Both sides are equally stupid... because they prescribe to a dichotomy which separates them and never solves a single problem for the people as a whole.
 
When religion>science is your life...you aren't intelligent. Nothing is wrong with being religious, but don't push aside science because it doesn't suit the agenda.
 
Friday, Feb. 26, 2010
Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?
By John Cloud

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

The notion that liberals are smarter than conservatives is familiar to anyone who has spent time on a college campus. The College Democrats are said to be ugly, smug and intellectual; the College Republicans, pretty, belligerent and dumb. There's enough truth in both stereotypes that the vast majority of college students opt not to join either club.

But are liberals actually smarter? A libertarian (and, as such, nonpartisan) researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Political Science, has just written a paper that is set to be published in March by the journal Social Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only whether conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why that might be so. (See the top 10 political gaffes of 2009.)

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example, a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics. What's new in Kanazawa's paper is a provocative theory about why intelligence might correlate with liberalism. He argues that smarter people are more willing to espouse "evolutionarily novel" values — that is, values that did not exist in our ancestral environment, including weird ideas about, say, helping genetically unrelated strangers (liberalism, as Kanazawa defines it), which never would have occurred to us back when we had to hunt to feed our own clan and our only real technology was fire. (See the top 10 religion stories of 2009.)

Kanazawa offers this view of how such novel values sprang up in our ancestors: Imagine you are a caveman (if it helps, you are wearing a loincloth and have never shaved). Lightning strikes a tree near your cave, and fire threatens. What do you do? Natural selection would have favored the smart specimen who could quickly conceive answers to such a problem (or other rare catastrophes like sudden drought or flood), even if — or maybe especially if — those answers were unusual ones that few others in your tribe could generate. So, the theory goes, genes for intelligence got wrapped up with genes for unnatural thinking.

It's an elegant theory, but based on Kanazawa's own evidence, I'm not sure he's right. In his paper, Kanazawa begins by noting, accurately, that psychologists don't have a good understanding of why people embrace the values they do. Many kids share their parents' values, but at the same time many adolescents define themselves in opposition to what their parents believe. We know that most people firm up their values when they are in their 20s, but some people experience conversions to new religions, new political parties, new artistic tastes and even new cuisines after middle age. As Kanazawa notes, this multiplicity of views — a multiplicity you find within both cultures and individuals — is one reason economists have largely abandoned the study of values with a single Latin phrase, De gustibus non est disputandum: there's no accounting for taste. (See pictures of John 3:16 in pop culture.)

Kanazawa doesn't disagree, but he believes scientists can account for whether people like new tastes or old, radical tastes or Establishment ones. He points out that there's a strong correlation between liberalism and openness to new kinds of experiences. But openness to new experience isn't necessarily intelligent (cocaine is fun; accidental cocaine overdose is not).

So are liberals smarter? Kanazawa quotes from two surveys that support the hypothesis that liberals are more intelligent. One is the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which is often called Add Health. The other is the General Social Survey (GSS). The Add Health study shows that the mean IQ of adolescents who identify themselves as "very liberal" is 106, compared with a mean IQ of 95 for those calling themselves "very conservative." The Add Health study is huge — more than 20,000 kids — and this difference is highly statistically significant. (See the top 10 scientific discoveries of 2009.)

But self-identification is often misleading; do kids really know what it means to be liberal? The GSS data are instructive here: Kanazawa found that more-intelligent GSS respondents (as measured by a quick but highly reliable synonym test) were less likely to agree that the government has a responsibility to reduce income and wealth differences. In other words, intelligent people might like to portray themselves as liberal. But in the end, they know that it's good to be the king.

The jury may be out on whether conservatives are less intelligent than liberals, but there's evidence that they may be physically stronger. Last year, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published a fascinating paper by Aaron Sell, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the Center for Evolutionary Psychology at the University of California at Santa Barbara. The authors measured the strength of 343 students using weight-lifting machines at a gym. The participating students completed questionnaires designed to measure, among other things, their proneness to anger, their history of fighting and their fondness for aggression as a way to solve both individual and geopolitical problems.

Sell, Tooby and Cosmides found that men (but not women) with the most physical strength were the most likely to feel entitled to good treatment, anger easily, view themselves as successful in winning conflicts and believe in physical force as a tool for resolving interpersonal and international conflicts. Women who thought of themselves as pretty showed the same pattern of greater aggression. All of which means that if you are a liberal who believes you're smarter than conservatives, you probably shouldn't bring that up around them. You might not like them when they're angry.

This guys report is based on "studies" , Did he actually go out and "talk" to real people...

and if he did talk to anybody, all he talked to were "college" students.

People change from their childhood behavior and attitudes after they get into liberal oriented colleges and adopt their ideas.

After they become "mature" adults and parents with families, they see the "results" of their college borne ideas. Thats when they generally go back to the early lessons of their childhood.

i.e. look at young college females.... they recieve years of indoctrination about radical feminism on college campuses.

After marriage and they produce male children of their own, many dismiss that "radical liberal" feminist stuff for what it is... a bunch of hogwash.

For the first time, they don't see all men as "evil"... they don't see all men as "sexual predators," they don't see all men as being "violent mean spirited ogres"...

what they see is their son... a young male who simply wants to be loved.
 
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Obama- best student in his class, Harvard Lawyer
Clinton- Yale Graduate, Rhodes Scholar
Carter- Nuclear Engineer


Bush---Lol
Bush--Lol
Reagan---Actor, graduate of Eureka College


_____________________________________________________________

Having said this, I would rather deal with any of the 2 Bushes than any of the
first 2 Democrats above. All the Bushes are simple minded; if they tell they are
going to kill you, they are going to kill you. You can see where they are coming
from. Obama and Clinton are fork tongued, and possibly perilous to their friends.
You trust them at your own risk. They will say one thing and do another. I want
that in neither my friends nor my politicians.

I cannot speak for Reagan and Carter because they came before I arrived in the
USA. However, I hated Reagan from afar, and kind of liked Carter...

Interesting that you mention Obama and Clinton who are both "lawyers" by profession, and call the Bush's simple minded...

If you've ever had any experience dealing with lawyers, you know they practice daily the art of bullshit and double speak.

that being said, consider this quote by Malcolm X

"Malcolm X:

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.

The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative.

Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negros friend and benefactor;

and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives."


I find it amazing how "white" liberals like to use race and feminism to divide this country so they can promote their radical agenda... and from what all I see, it works.
 
Liberals tend to be social activist, college professors, educators, so on and so forth. To be a professional on those fields you have to be smart so my answer to this study would be Yes liberals are smarter than conservatives

And your observation about liberals being social activist, college professors and educators is correct...

at the same time, all they really promote is tons of "rhetoric and propoganda."

in the "real" world, most appear to be "dodgers" and not "doers."

also notice, how many do not own businesses that actually give people jobs...

reading and writing a book is easy... creating tangible realities is hard.
 
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i haven't lived in the inner city in years and I do not vote nor follow politics,

but it always baffled me and still does, how EDUCATED black people can just look at ghettos and dilapidated conditions on a daily basis where people are literally living in sub-human conditions

and not one time think, or even make the connection that the political group that has been "in our corner" for going on what, 60 years now? have NO responsibility for that at all. none whatsoever.

and they will fight, argue, and die to defend them with all their might if you dare criticize them (democrats).

now i know you dudes will automatically assume that if you are down w/democrats, that means you are PRO republican. no - just don't follow politics or be political at all. we can reject all politicians and politics and generate our own $$$ if we wanted to.

so you have you to be pretty fucking smart to convince an entire group of people that doing absolutely nothing for them is the same as being in their corner for over half a century.
 
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i haven't lived in the inner city in years and I do not vote nor follow politics,

but it always baffled me and still does, how EDUCATED black people can just look at ghettos and dilapidated conditions on a daily basis where people are literally living in sub-human conditions
and not one time think, or even make the connection that the political group that has been "in our corner" for going on what, 60 years now? have NO responsibility for that at all. none whatsoever.

and they will fight, argue, and die to defend them with all their might if you dare criticize them (democrats).

now i know you dudes will automatically assume that if you are down w/democrats, that means you are PRO republican. no - just don't follow politics or be political at all. we can reject all politicians and politics and generate our own $$$ if we wanted to.

so you have you to be pretty fucking smart to convince an entire group of people that doing asolutely nothing for them is the same as being in their corner for over half a century.

Living here in Atlanta, I have been saying that same thing for years...

Atlanta has lots of educated black folk and more than its share of liberal black politicians...

The saying goes, "talk is cheap." I believe, "actions will always speak louder than words."
 
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If you've ever had any experience dealing with lawyers, you know they practice daily the art of bullshit and double speak.

I never thought about that....My family is full of scientists and engineers.
We make perfect sense to each other because we reason alike. Now
that I am a bit older, I also see how it makes us non-functional in society
because in everyday life, issue do not have proposal->method->result->conclusion
format. I am learning to adjust in the normal world to what seems to be
common sense to all, otherwise, I am non-functional to those who do not
think like me...
 
that being said, consider this quote by Malcolm X

"Malcolm X:

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.

The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative.

Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negros friend and benefactor;

and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives."

It is so profound, and so true, and the reason why I said years ago on this
forum that I would rather deal with the GOP than the Democrats. The cacs
in the GOP tell you what they and cacs in the Democratic party really believe,
where as the Democratics pretend to be your friend, only to abandon you
at critical time. Does anyone remember how Clinton threw Sistah Soujah
under the bus, or how he tried to incite racial predjudice against Obama in
South Carolina in 2008? With the GOP, that shit would be on display from
the beginning, and you would never be surprised when it happened.
 
I never thought about that....My family is full of scientists and engineers.
We make perfect sense to each other because we reason alike. Now
that I am a bit older, I also see how it makes us non-functional in society
because in everyday life, issue do not have proposal->method->result->conclusion
format. I am learning to adjust in the normal world to what seems to be
common sense to all, otherwise, I am non-functional to those who do not
think like me...

Here in the U.S., fewer than 30% actually have a 4yr college degree or better.

The mere numbers alone dictate that if you venture outside of that 30%, then you have to speak their language, use their logic, etc.

Think of it like this, you're a businessman.... and good customer service is a part of your business.
 
Living here in Atlanta, I have been saying that same thing for years...

Atlanta has lots of educated black folk and more than its share of liberal black politicians...

The saying goes, "talk is cheap." I believe, "actions will always speak louder than words."

- me and my pops got into an argument about this once about how the prison system exploits poor black males (WHICH IT DOES)

i asked about cities like atlanta, baltimore, cincinatti - and major cities that have black police chiefs and mayors, yet the prisons are STILL over flooded w/poor black men filling the prisons.

stumped him. and i didn't do it to embarrass him, but to look at all sides of issues not just the ones we've been trained to look at.
 
Here in the U.S., fewer than 30% actually have a 4yr college degree or better.

The mere numbers alone dictate that if you venture outside of that 30%, then you have to speak their language, use their logic, etc.

Think of it like this, you're a businessman.... and good customer service is a part of your business.
I am trying to relearn that language. 22 years of scientific inculcation
places a very strong hold on a person...
 
- me and my pops got into an argument about this once about how the prison system exploits poor black males (WHICH IT DOES)

i asked about cities like atlanta, baltimore, cincinatti - and major cities that have black police chiefs and mayors, yet the prisons are STILL over flooded w/poor black men filling the prisons.

stumped him. and i didn't do it to embarrass him, but to look at all sides of issues not just the ones we've been trained to look at.

you should be ashamed of yourself for talking back to your father like that...:lol::lol::lol:


Interesting you mention "prisons."....

I just realized I have seen lots of "prisons" in and around Atlanta... federal, state, county and city. I would bet good money the majority population is black.

Black mayor, black police chief...
 
you should be ashamed of yourself for talking back to your father like that...:lol::lol::lol:


Interesting you mention "prisons."....

I just realized I have seen lots of "prisons" in and around Atlanta... federal, state, county and city. I would bet good money the majority population is black.

Black mayor, black police chief...

- oh yeah, it's like that everywhere, all these cities with black mayors and police chiefs have the same rates of black incarcerated men as the ones with white mayors and police chiefs.
 
- oh yeah, it's like that everywhere, all these cities with black mayors and police chiefs have the same rates of black incarcerated men as the ones with white mayors and police chiefs.

but you're correct... I don't understand how so many educated black folk can look at this and act as if they don't see it..
 
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