Why are you so against fast food workers making $15 a hour?

[Chase Bannon]

The problem with that is it puts FAR TOO MUCH trust in corporations, we've been shown in multiple ways that if there is no minimum, quite a few opt to keep things as cheap as possible!

Compare Major League Baseball and the NFL, MLB has no minimum, in 2013 Alex Rodriguez will make more than the ENTIRE payroll of the Houston Astros ($24.3 million), Miami cut 60% of its payroll with absolutely NO repercussions, after fans shelled out who knows how many millions for season tickets, they might as well travel up to Toronto, who will be playing/paying 37 million $$$ worth of former Marlins players, meanwhile the NFL has a minimum that ALL teams must spend 89% of their salary cap total over a 4 year period, so we see in the real world one has it wrong, the other has it right!

Then travel over to China, where a recent report found workers that assemble Ipads/Ipods were being paid as little as $1.72/hr (US), @ one factory 9 workers committed suicide within 3 months by jumping out of the building, they actually had to install suicide nets to prevent more deaths (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html) it was this type of exploitation by big business in the 1800s here in the US that ushered in unions, and ultimately getting the federal government involved in establishing a minimum wage.

Having no minimum wage would be insane, corporations left to their own devices WILL exploit, the federal minimum wage is ok where it stands @ $7.25 as a floor, regionally though local governments need to take into account local situations, this is why Washington has a minimum wage of $9.19/hr, and Connecticut has a minimum wage of $8.25/hr, NY state HAS to do better!!!

I don't quite understand your baseball example. Where are you going with that.

The big problem is you have too many nonskilled workers wanting more loot. At one time during the Clinton years you had tons of people making good wages because it was too hard to find workers available. Unemployment was at an all time low.

I know you say I have too much trust in corporations, but I don't. One thing about the economy is it dictates itself. YOu really can't manipulate it. You have approximately 3 million skilled jobs that can't be filled for because workers aren't qualified. Remind you these aren't jobs that required college, just some training. You raise minimum wage and everything else in the economy goes up. Raising minimum wage doesn't fix poverty. Skill training does. Trust me. If McDonalds couldn't find workers to fill those positions, their wages would go up. You have to look at people as supply and demand. Michael Jackson gross millions because he was a rare commodity. QBs get paid the most because that is the most important position in football. You use the nba for example. Lebron James is several underpaid for his talents. You have a cap on his salary, but you can't tell me he should be getting the same pay as other max players. All in all minimum wage workers have another problem besides not being paid higher wages. They lack skills. Or better yet they have skills everyone else in America has.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

One thing about the economy is it dictates itself. YOu really can't manipulate it.

you are confused.

 

[yoda]

If people studied the mechanics of economics they would see why this type of across the board wage increase is a very bad idea, and it will only lead to inflation, not an actual wage increase. Your salary is as only good as the purchasing power of the the dollar. The minimum wage in 1968 was $1.69 cents or something, and that wage would yield the purchasing power of $10 today. Actually minimum wage holds less purchasing power then it did back then. So to answer the OP question, yes, the minimum wage need to be increased, but an across the board increase to $15 is most definitely not the answer.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I don't quite understand your baseball example. Where are you going with that.

The big problem is you have too many nonskilled workers wanting more loot. At one time during the Clinton years you had tons of people making good wages because it was too hard to find workers available. Unemployment was at an all time low.

I know you say I have too much trust in corporations, but I don't. One thing about the economy is it dictates itself. YOu really can't manipulate it. You have approximately 3 million skilled jobs that can't be filled for because workers aren't qualified. Remind you these aren't jobs that required college, just some training. You raise minimum wage and everything else in the economy goes up. Raising minimum wage doesn't fix poverty. Skill training does. Trust me. If McDonalds couldn't find workers to fill those positions, their wages would go up. You have to look at people as supply and demand. Michael Jackson gross millions because he was a rare commodity. QBs get paid the most because that is the most important position in football. You use the nba for example. Lebron James is several underpaid for his talents. You have a cap on his salary, but you can't tell me he should be getting the same pay as other max players. All in all minimum wage workers have another problem besides not being paid higher wages. They lack skills. Or better yet they have skills everyone else in America has.

My point about baseball was to illustrate that when owners (corporations) are left to their own devices, you don't know which way they'll go, some will spend, some won't EVEN THOUGH they have the money, what good reason does the Houston Astros owner have for having a team payroll that's lower than a single person that plays in the same league?!?

Granted, A Rod is overpaid @ this point, but NO single player's salary should come close to ANY team!

The NFL dictates that a minimum MUST be spent, and this is how the NFL has achieved parity, if the amount spent by each team is roughly the same, then the success of each team is now a factor of the choices made by management & the coaching staff.

In business, if there were no minimum the OVERALL wage @ the bottom would be significantly lower, companies only pay what they have to, NOT what they should, as I've pointed out in this thread the minimum wage has more than doubled since the 80s, if the minimum wage did not go up, wages @ the bottom WOULD HAVE REMAINED STAGNANT just like the middle class!

It was the raising of the minimum wage that forced companies in several areas to comply, but keep in mind that as I pointed out earlier as well, the final wage of any business is dictated by like businesses in that area, in order to compete businesses have to match the prevailing wage of a given area, as earlier posts attest, even though McDonald's is an unskilled job, locations in places like Houston & several places in Connecticut have to start as high as $10-$12/hr because of their respective locations prevailing wage, THIS is where the free market kicks in!

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I think the national wage should rise but otherwise c/s.

W/O studying it any further I can't tell if places like West Virginia, Mississippi, Iowa or Wisconsin need or can absorb a minimum wage increase right now, although I do agree that soon, in the near future, it should be raised to the $8-$8.25 range, though I believe that only something like $7.75 is being discussed right now.

Remember that it is ONLY a minimum, local governments can & should raise it according to the cost of living for each particular area, which is why it is indeed shameful the NY's is ONLY the federal minimum, but we do have to keep in mind that while NYC is home to 8 million people, it is but the toenail of the Great State of NY!

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Currently on front page of huffpo. Post it somebody...

Moo Cluck Moo, Detroit-Area Fast Food Joint, Pays Workers $12 An Hour, Still Profits

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I ran my own business for 12 years. Every dime I returned, let slide or didn't collect was a dime out of the family budget.

My brother invested his family's money in the corporate world. Every dime the company returned, let slide or didn't collect was a dime out of his family's budget.

Corporations are still the people. Poor people don't invest in corporations so they don't have any problem taking from those entities.

Every dime belongs to someone.

If I have 25K invested in Apple or Microsoft or McDonalds then I want these companies to earn money for me.

Folks want to make the poor and unskilled the entitled. No one is entitled to more for the sake of having more.

I want everybody to make more and have more but no one is entitled or deserves anything.

The terms like exploitation, greed and fairness are traps

No, not at all.

I want these multi billion dollar corporation to not be entitled to my tax money. I think it's morally, politically, and economically correct to make them pay their employees that work for them enough that I don't have to kick in at the register and from my taxes.

W/O studying it any further I can't tell if places like West Virginia, Mississippi, Iowa or Wisconsin need or can absorb a minimum wage increase right now, although I do agree that soon, in the near future, it should be raised to the $8-$8.25 range, though I believe that only something like $7.75 is being discussed right now.

I think the minimum should be raised but it's a regional thing as to whether any state or municipality can or will raise it further. Even in those rural areas, the cost of living isn't getting cheaper but the wages are just as stagnant.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

No, not at all.

I want these multi billion dollar corporation to not be entitled to my tax money. I think it's morally, politically, and economically correct to make them pay their employees that work for them enough that I don't have to kick in at the register and from my taxes.

Understandable, but to make that happen damn near half the country would have to go on a simultaneous strike to show that we mean business, what do you think the odds of that happening are?!?

It's sad, but it NEEDS to happen, companies right now are just going to keep following the status quo!

I think the minimum should be raised but it's a regional thing as to whether any state or municipality can or will raise it further. Even in those rural areas, the cost of living isn't getting cheaper but the wages are just as stagnant.

True, and every little bit helps, but the problem is NOT @ the bottom, but in the lower middle, just look @ what's happened, wages have remained stagnant or gone down for @ least half of the workforce, strangely enough the minimum wage being raised is the ONLY thing that kept things from being worse, but raising it did NOT impact or raise the floor the way everyone thinks/thought it would!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/s...ductivity-climbs-but-wages-stagnate.html?_r=0​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Understandable, but to make that happen damn near half the country would have to go on a simultaneous strike to show that we mean business, what do you think the odds of that happening are?!?

It's sad, but it NEEDS to happen, companies right now are just going to keep following the status quo!

As far as the striking workers, that is a battle they'll have to win on their own, for the most part. If we as customers boycott, the drop in revenue will just be another excuse to not up their pay.
But the hiking of the minimum wage is something all of us can work toward.

True, and every little bit helps, but the problem is NOT @ the bottom, but in the lower middle, just look @ what's happened, wages have remained stagnant or gone down for @ least half of the workforce, strangely enough the minimum wage being raised is the ONLY thing that kept things from being worse, but raising it did NOT impact or raise the floor the way everyone thinks/thought it would!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/s...ductivity-climbs-but-wages-stagnate.html?_r=0​

I don't think it's a panacea but it's a good start in attacking the inequality that's being purposely created in this country.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Currently on front page of huffpo. Post it somebody...

Moo Cluck Moo, Detroit-Area Fast Food Joint, Pays Workers $12 An Hour, Still Profits

You can raise wages to $22 and they still will be generating excessive revenue.

 

[JamesATL]

Wendy's vs. Wal-Mart vs. Costco

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/news/economy/costco-fast-food-strikes/index.html?iid=Lead

 

[bham_brotha]

Currently on front page of huffpo. Post it somebody...

Moo Cluck Moo, Detroit-Area Fast Food Joint, Pays Workers $12 An Hour, Still Profits

Moo Cluck Moo

Regular Burger $3
Double Burger $5
Chicken Sandwich $6
Fries $2.50
Veggie Burger $6
Combo +$3
Shake $4
Chicken Salad $6
Grill Chicken Sandwich $5

McDonald's

Regular Burger $1.99
Double Burger (I'll use a Big Mac just to be fair) $3.69
Fries $1.49
Big Mac Meal $5.69
Double Quarter Pounder meal $6.39
Southern Style Chicken meal $5.59
Southwest Salad $4.69
Grilled Chicken Sandwich $3.99
Shake $2.49



So $9 for a Chicken sandwich combo? With taxes that's basically $10. Yea, I bet they can afford to pay more. Yes, McDonalds can pay more if they raise their prices. Moo cluck moo's combo's are nearly double what McDonald's are. Not exactly a level playing field there. Just goes back to what I pointed out before, raise the pay the prices raise along with it. Someone is going to eat those costs and it's not going to be the business.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Moo Cluck Moo

Regular Burger $3
Double Burger $5
Chicken Sandwich $6
Fries $2.50
Veggie Burger $6
Combo +$3
Shake $4
Chicken Salad $6
Grill Chicken Sandwich $5

McDonald's

Regular Burger $1.99
Double Burger (I'll use a Big Mac just to be fair) $3.69
Fries $1.49
Big Mac Meal $5.69
Double Quarter Pounder meal $6.39
Southern Style Chicken meal $5.59
Southwest Salad $4.69
Grilled Chicken Sandwich $3.99
Shake $2.49



So $9 for a Chicken sandwich combo? With taxes that's basically $10. Yea, I bet they can afford to pay more. Yes, McDonalds can pay more if they raise their prices. Moo cluck moo's combo's are nearly double what McDonald's are. Not exactly a level playing field there. Just goes back to what I pointed out before, raise the pay the prices raise along with it. Someone is going to eat those costs and it's not going to be the business.

Nope.

There's already a video (because we know BGOLers hate to read) about how this is untrue and the price and employee wages are barely tangentially related.

Try again.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Nope.

There's already a video (because we know BGOLers hate to read) about how this is untrue and the price and employee wages are barely tangentially related.

Try again.

Understand that my argument has NEVER been about either raising McDonald's workers or the minimum wage itself causing job losses, while this is a fact it is also COMPLETELY blown out of proportion by the industry, you would only be talking about possibly a couple of positions per store, and that's NOT guaranteed, @ the end of the day the amount of business that comes thru the front door determines the amount of employees that you need per shift, NOT the amount of pay each worker makes!

Simply put, if your wage/hrs dictate that you need 16 workers, THEN YOU NEED 16 WORKERS, IF your sales go down and only warrant 10, then you schedule 10, if your wage/hrs dictate 10, but you schedule 12, then you must increase productivity by having the extra hands clean parts of the store and do tasks that aren't done on a daily basis like organizing the stockroom or cleaning out the walk-in freezer.

The video that you reference fails to take into account one thing however as it pertains to McDonald's, as I've already pointed out, since McDonald's is a franchise operation (80% are franchises, 20% are run by the McDonald's Corporation itself) the corporation itself sets the prices, NOT the individual stores, since waste & wages are the 2 things that managers/stores can control the most the company itself sets these as a low priority when coming up with the formula to set prices, they actually use an average wage ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMPANY to do this, so therefore the prices would remain the same NO MATTER WHAT the prevailing wage is @ ANY particular location, the real estate however is something that, while it remains constant, IS BEYOND THEIR CONTROL, they cannot dictate how much land costs in any area, which is why that particular cost has a high priority in the price & is higher @ certain locations, but notice that even that elevated price IS STILL THE SAME across the board, whether it's in San Francisco, or in Manhattan.

Bottom line though, as the video pointed out the price of a Big Mac would only have to increase by .30 cents (I guessed .25) and of course they wouldn't do this, they would spread it out over several items, but the bigger point (and I've argued this in regards to "Obamacare" as well) if people want it, THEY WILL BUY IT!!!

And they will keep buying, I am in TOTAL agreement with you in terms of how corporations are screaming "The sky is falling!" in terms of the minimum wage going up, but the problem is MUCH BIGGER in the middle than it is @ the bottom.

 

[Chase Bannon]

My point about baseball was to illustrate that when owners (corporations) are left to their own devices, you don't know which way they'll go, some will spend, some won't EVEN THOUGH they have the money, what good reason does the Houston Astros owner have for having a team payroll that's lower than a single person that plays in the same league?!?

Granted, A Rod is overpaid @ this point, but NO single player's salary should come close to ANY team!

The NFL dictates that a minimum MUST be spent, and this is how the NFL has achieved parity, if the amount spent by each team is roughly the same, then the success of each team is now a factor of the choices made by management & the coaching staff.

In business, if there were no minimum the OVERALL wage @ the bottom would be significantly lower, companies only pay what they have to, NOT what they should, as I've pointed out in this thread the minimum wage has more than doubled since the 80s, if the minimum wage did not go up, wages @ the bottom WOULD HAVE REMAINED STAGNANT just like the middle class!

It was the raising of the minimum wage that forced companies in several areas to comply, but keep in mind that as I pointed out earlier as well, the final wage of any business is dictated by like businesses in that area, in order to compete businesses have to match the prevailing wage of a given area, as earlier posts attest, even though McDonald's is an unskilled job, locations in places like Houston & several places in Connecticut have to start as high as $10-$12/hr because of their respective locations prevailing wage, THIS is where the free market kicks in!

I kind of see what you are saying, but I think the variable you don't take into factor is the NFL, NBA and MLB are the best of the best workers where as in the general economy you have all types of workers skilled and non skilled. Everyone in those leagues are skilled.

My big problem with your argument is what is that magic minimum wage amount where everyone will be satisfied? Does $15 an hour cure all? I just like you have compassion for people on the bottom, but i don't think raising the minimum wage solves anything. I'm pretty sure we won't convince each other to see it from either of our perspectives. I think if you really study supply, demand, equilibrium, price points, etc. You might change your view.

Some of you see employers as evil, but they are no different from you. Just like them, you are looking for the cheapest goods and services. You got cats who bitch about this board costing $10 a year. At the end of the day people are people no matter if they are employees or corporations. Everyone is looking for the bottom price. That's why i'm not in favor of minimum wage.

 

[brickwall92]

Moo Cluck Moo

Regular Burger $3
Double Burger $5
Chicken Sandwich $6
Fries $2.50
Veggie Burger $6
Combo +$3
Shake $4
Chicken Salad $6
Grill Chicken Sandwich $5

McDonald's

Regular Burger $1.99
Double Burger (I'll use a Big Mac just to be fair) $3.69
Fries $1.49
Big Mac Meal $5.69
Double Quarter Pounder meal $6.39
Southern Style Chicken meal $5.59
Southwest Salad $4.69
Grilled Chicken Sandwich $3.99
Shake $2.49



So $9 for a Chicken sandwich combo? With taxes that's basically $10. Yea, I bet they can afford to pay more. Yes, McDonalds can pay more if they raise their prices. Moo cluck moo's combo's are nearly double what McDonald's are. Not exactly a level playing field there. Just goes back to what I pointed out before, raise the pay the prices raise along with it. Someone is going to eat those costs and it's not going to be the business.

When was the last time you went to mcdonalds ? Your prices are wayyyyyyy to cheap..... and I know prices can vary to an extent ,but 2.50 for a shake ? atleast 3 dollars starting here

Looking at moo cluck moo.. prices.. it's not that drastic from Mcdonalds

this isn't the 90's you're not not getting a combo at Mcdonalds no more for under 6 plus..and that's small.


You bad mouth their combo prices.. saying the chicken combo is 9 plus tax..

if I go to McDonalds... right now I'm paying about close to 8 bucks for there large combo where's the big difference in price ?

Btw they do all this.. better pay... real food.. and the soda is natural...Northwoods Soda

now this isn't food you eat if you want to look like TO everyday ,but the quality... and the negligible price difference it's a good option

You don't have to even be rich to eat moo cluck moo...so if you need a fast food fix.. they're at healthier option.. real food.. beats fries that can never spoil and they hardly fill up it up

Mcdonalds use to be cheap... not anymore.. I remember KFC always use to cost more in comparison to Mcdonalds and Burgerking when I was a kid ... now ? everyone is even

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I kind of see what you are saying, but I think the variable you don't take into factor is the NFL, NBA and MLB are the best of the best workers where as in the general economy you have all types of workers skilled and non skilled. Everyone in those leagues are skilled.

My big problem with your argument is what is that magic minimum wage amount where everyone will be satisfied? Does $15 an hour cure all? I just like you have compassion for people on the bottom, but i don't think raising the minimum wage solves anything. I'm pretty sure we won't convince each other to see it from either of our perspectives. I think if you really study supply, demand, equilibrium, price points, etc. You might change your view.

Some of you see employers as evil, but they are no different from you. Just like them, you are looking for the cheapest goods and services. You got cats who bitch about this board costing $10 a year. At the end of the day people are people no matter if they are employees or corporations. Everyone is looking for the bottom price. That's why i'm not in favor of minimum wage.

Actually, if you read my other replies you'll see that I DO see things from both sides, I was a manager in fast food for six years so I understand how stores arrive @ the wages they pay, how shifts are set up/run, what actual costs are, and what things people believe motivates employees vs. what actually does, my point about baseball had nothing to do with the players, it just illustrates how some owners are selfish while others are generous, corporations, with stockholders looking over their shoulders, would opt MUCH MORE on the conservative side, for every "generous" employer like Costco, you'll have several like McDonald's & Walmart.

Understand that part of my job as manager was to keep wages as low as possible!

There is no "magic minimum", but it should be higher than it is now, somewhere between $8-$9, I know Obama is advocating for $9, but somewhere around $8.25-$8.50 seems prudent.

Read my last reply to Upgrade Dave just above your last reply, that is essentially my thinking in a nutshell.

 

[Famous1]

Moo Cluck Moo

Regular Burger $3
Double Burger $5
Chicken Sandwich $6
Fries $2.50
Veggie Burger $6
Combo +$3
Shake $4
Chicken Salad $6
Grill Chicken Sandwich $5

McDonald's

Regular Burger $1.99
Double Burger (I'll use a Big Mac just to be fair) $3.69
Fries $1.49
Big Mac Meal $5.69
Double Quarter Pounder meal $6.39
Southern Style Chicken meal $5.59
Southwest Salad $4.69
Grilled Chicken Sandwich $3.99
Shake $2.49



So $9 for a Chicken sandwich combo? With taxes that's basically $10. Yea, I bet they can afford to pay more. Yes, McDonalds can pay more if they raise their prices. Moo cluck moo's combo's are nearly double what McDonald's are. Not exactly a level playing field there. Just goes back to what I pointed out before, raise the pay the prices raise along with it. Someone is going to eat those costs and it's not going to be the business.

moo cluck moo probably uses real meat and more of it...

and Wendy's has a 8.60 combo...

 

[Famous1]

Actually, if you read my other replies you'll see that I DO see things from both sides, I was a manager in fast food for six years so I understand how stores arrive @ the wages they pay, how shifts are set up/run, what actual costs are, and what things people believe motivates employees vs. what actually does, my point about baseball had nothing to do with the players, it just illustrates how some owners are selfish while others are generous, corporations, with stockholders looking over their shoulders, would opt MUCH MORE on the conservative side, for every "generous" employer like Costco, you'll have several like McDonald's & Walmart.

Understand that part of my job as manager was to keep wages as low as possible!

There is no "magic minimum", but it should be higher than it is now, somewhere between $8-$9, I know Obama is advocating for $9, but somewhere around $8.25-$8.50 seems prudent.

Read my last reply to Upgrade Dave just above your last reply, that is essentially my thinking in a nutshell.

baseball is not a good analogy because of the revenue sharing..

 

[gene cisco]

Nope.

There's already a video (because we know BGOLers hate to read) about how this is untrue and the price and employee wages are barely tangentially related.

Try again.

The greed is. In order to maintain crazy profits, that's just how fast food places operate. As I said earlier, they could maintain nice profits and increase wages, but the greedy bastards want CRAZY profits.

I wonder how franchise owners feel about this shit.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

baseball is not a good analogy because of the revenue sharing..

If MLB is NOT a good analogy, please explain why Houston's payroll is 24.3 million & Miami's payroll is 39.6 million, meanwhile the NY Yankees payroll is 229 million & the LA Dodgers payroll is 216.3 million?
http://deadspin.com/2013-payrolls-and-salaries-for-every-mlb-team-462765594

Is it or is it not the owners?!?

The fact that there IS revenue sharing makes my point even more, Houston is being given money, similar to government subsidies to the big corporations, and yet STILL the owners chose NOT TO SPEND MONEY, instead opting to keep ALL OF THE MONEY made by the team, AND the money received thru revenue sharing IN THEIR POCKETS and NOT their employees, the SAME WAY company's would and do when left to their own devices!!!

My analogy WAS ONLY TO SHOW human nature in business, just as you have some that are generous (Yankees, Dodgers), the majority will fall in the middle (St. Louis, Washington, Cincinnati & Chicago, all with payrolls of 100+ million) and then you have owners that are greedy and will suck the business dry, DESPITE being given money from outside sources and the money spent by paying customers (Houston, Miami).

The Federal Minimum Wage is loosely akin to the NFL's minimum spending policy on payroll, EVERY team has a floor, or in other words an amount that they have to spend, just like employers have to spend @ least $7.25/hr!

It can be argued that this "leveling" of the payroll structure has helped create parity in the NFL, and on a smaller scale it has @ least made things better for the "benchwarmers", who see a minimum of $400k/yr, minimums do indeed work, while I do understand why company's don't want them, it's better for those who are @ the bottom, no matter WHAT occupation you speak of!

 

[Djmarkxr7]

moo cluck moo probably uses real meat and more of it...

and Wendy's has a 8.60 combo...

Strangely enough, McDonald's is the biggest buyer of beef in the US, they also purchase over 3.4 billion pounds of potatoes as well!

 

[Cock Head Jones]

 

[JamesATL]

they did another walk out, this time in metro Atlanta today.

why the black person in the back of the pic on the sign? (and looks white?)

old dude like i just want my food.

it dont look like none of these white folks work fast food, they just trying to start some shit...

 

[ShortyCumStain]

They ain't gettin' no $15 in da A. Hell, they're lucky if they get 9-10.

 

[mike123]

its crazy how dudes who are against fast-food workers gettin paid more will use faulty logic, ramble or just outright lie just to prove their point
and when facts get posted they either just disappear or pretend like the shit wasnt posted an continue with their argument

another thing they need to consider is that paying more to people who spend most of their pay checks would be a huge boost to the economy
even if they go out spend the cash on bullshit, all them people that gotta work at them stores will be in a much better position to get raises themselves

oh and robotics an automation is gonna get rid of 90% of the fast food jobs in a 15 or so years, maybe sooner
http://gizmodo.com/5962656/this-robo+griller-can-flip-360-burgers-an-hour
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/11/burger_making_r.php

how long before these things are dirt cheap an easy maintain

 

[geist]

its crazy how dudes who are against fast-food workers gettin paid more will use faulty logic, ramble or just outright lie just to prove their point
and when facts get posted they either just disappear or pretend like the shit wasnt posted an continue with their argument

another thing they need to consider is that paying more to people who spend most of their pay checks would be a huge boost to the economy
even if they go out spend the cash on bullshit, all them people that gotta work at them stores will be in a much better position to get raises themselves

oh and robotics an automation is gonna get rid of 90% of the fast food jobs in a 15 or so years, maybe sooner
http://gizmodo.com/5962656/this-robo+griller-can-flip-360-burgers-an-hour
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2012/11/burger_making_r.php

how long before these things are dirt cheap an easy maintain

Don't even try to make sense on this topic, man.

 

[SPECTRE1]

It should be $10 an hour plus a component tied to sales.


If a store restaurant earns 3 million that year, than your wage will be recomputed to $15 an hour, up from $10.

Many restaurants fail their first year, so having a high minimum wage will increase the rate of failures and startups.

 

[geechiedan]

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

Don't even try to make sense on this topic, man.

How does that make sense? If fast food jobs start paying the same or more than cushy entry level jobs then just about EVERY hourly job will have to go up. That's not happening. I don't know how out of touch some of y'all are whether y'all were raised with a silver spoon or just not even in the workforce yet, but $15 an hour for fast food not realistic. $10 or around $10 is do-able, but who's realistically gonna start paying fast food workers that much??? Ain't nobody stopping them, and nobody is really "against" them getting higher pay, but that much of an increase is illogical.​

 

[mike123]

How does that make sense? If fast food jobs start paying the same or more than cushy entry level jobs then just about EVERY hourly job will have to go up.​

everybodies wages wont have to go up but the additional cash that'll be circulating in the economy will make it possible for alot of people to get raises

That's not happening. I don't know how out of touch some of y'all are whether y'all were raised with a silver spoon or just not even in the workforce yet, but $15 an hour for fast food not realistic.
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what are these assertions based on
why is it realistic for a millioniare ceos and management to give themselves outrageous pay-raises but hookin up the workers is crazy

$10 or around $10 is do-able, but who's realistically gonna start paying fast food workers that much??? Ain't nobody stopping them, and nobody is really "against" them getting higher pay, but that much of an increase is illogical.​

why is $10 more do-able then $15
yall do know that most of these fast-food companies are having record profits and they buy the cheapest everything
dont know why its so hard for yall to see that paying regular people more helps everybody and making rich people richer only helps the rich

its like yall all runnin yall own companies, hidin profits from the public an the gov., gettin bailout ya, raisin prices and usin slave labor as much as ya can

 

[Djmarkxr7]

everybodies wages wont have to go up but the additional cash that'll be circulating in the economy will make it possible for alot of people to get raises.

ANY business pays a prevailing wage according to the requisite business, with regional factors being applied @ the local level (i.e. Houston & Connecticut stores paying more because high income areas, low unemployment regions), if ALL fast food places raised their starting salary to $15/hr than ALL surrounding businesses would have to do the same just to retain employees, I pointed this out earlier, while places like McDonald's, Target & Wal-Mart can handle this, this would effectively serve to severely hamper the few remaining "Mom & Pop" type stores & small business chains that already run on slim profit margins.

Also, you need to study economics more, while people having more money is a good thing, it doesn't necessarily translate into them spending more, THAT is the basis for what is known as Ronald Reagan's (and the Republican) theory of "Trickle-Down" economics, the MORE people you having working, the MORE money goes into the economy and also creates a larger tax base, THIS is what drove the economy during the Bill Clinton years, an era in which he taxed the wealthy more, but added over 23 million jobs to the economy.

what are these assertions based on
why is it realistic for a millioniare ceos and management to give themselves outrageous pay-raises but hookin up the workers is crazy

It's not crazy, just realistic, companies are driven by profits, @ the higher levels management works for bonuses, @ the lowest levels the two things that are ALWAYS within complete control of management are wages & waste, EVERYTHING today is about efficiency, being able to do more with less, management ranks have been cut along with rank & file workers, because this amounts to higher profits for the company @ large, NO business is in business to LOSE money, PERIOD!

why is $10 more do-able then $15
yall do know that most of these fast-food companies are having record profits and they buy the cheapest everything
dont know why its so hard for yall to see that paying regular people more helps everybody and making rich people richer only helps the rich

its like yall all runnin yall own companies, hidin profits from the public an the gov., gettin bailout ya, raisin prices and usin slave labor as much as ya can

First off, since we are mainly talking about fast food peeps need to remember that higher corporate profits do NOT equal better pay for employees, in fact they have little to do with employees, since the majority of most fast food places are franchises THEY GET THEIR MONEY OFF THE TOP, REGARDLESS OF INDIVIDUAL STORE INCOME, so McDonald's as a company doesn't really care what franchisees pay their employees, that money comes out of THEIR profits, NOT the corporation!

Corporate store = EVERYTHING run by parent corporate entity

Franchise store = While name & product are familiar, EVERYTHING else is run by another individual or company (i.e. Riese Brothers in NY) who pay a monthly fee to the corporate entity for using their product & name, this fee DOES NOT CHANGE according to sales, franchises must also buy ALL product from corporate entity to maintain quality control, because of this setup a store can "fail" while corporate profits continue to rise, McDonald's is extremely successful, but I've seen more than one Burger King & KFC shut down because, while the parent company was making money, the individual stores themselves weren't profitable.

Peeps keep glossing over the fact that NOBODY was clamoring for McDonald's/fast food worker wages to go up back in the 80s, 90s, or early 2000s, but now they are, has ANYONE asked WHY?!?

It's ONLY because of the squeeze that's been created by the fact that middle-class jobs have been going overseas @ record rates and now people are looking to the jobs that are remaining to foot their bills, but NOTHING has changed from the fast food POV, they are enjoying record profits NOT because of low wages, but because of streamlining waste and promoting efficiency, the minimum wage has more than doubled over the last 30 years, WHAT other industry can say that their pay scale has doubled in that same time period?!?

NONE!

Since any owner, before setting up business, has a business model, @ this point in time this DOES NOT include paying workers $15/hr, while they may be forced to do so, TRUST that many more employees will be fired or just never hired, businesses simply do not exist for employees & their families, they exist to make profits for the owner(s), no more, no less!

This ISN'T hate towards fast food workers, it's being realistic about the business world.

In major metro areas though, the pay should hover around $10/hr, any less & I would be on strike as well!

 

[November 17]

http://www.aflcio.org/Corporate-Watch/CEO-Pay-and-You/100-Highest-Paid-CEOs

 

[alexw]

thats right, get youre strike on

you are the life line of these fast food joints

they cant ship these jobs overseas

pay you or the business doesnt make any money at all

its the only option

 

[gene cisco]

They're actually striking? Damn. The fast food places can have them replaced in minutes. There are too many unskilled people looking for work or extra work. There also the 'overqualified' types that these places turn down. Plenty of 'homemakers' who need the job to contribute something to the household.

I know corporations could pay more, but they always been greedy pigs.