{--Miami Heat vs Indiana Pacers - East Conf. Finals 2013--Miami 4 - Pacers 3--}
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If Hibbert was on the floor and in the paint, Bosh would have most likely had a smaller player trying to guard him due to defensive rotation switch off... As for the argument "I'd rather Bosh shoot a 15 footer than James lay up the ball" this would not be much of an argument if they collaps on LeBron like they were supposed to do... The argument should have been would you rather the Heat shoot an outside jumper with a player defending or risk free someone due to slower foot speed or poor rotation..
Allowing James to attack the basket the way he did, should not have been part of the equation,
If the Pacers were to do their job right 1- George would have kept LeBron in front on him, 2- Hansbrough should have collaps hard in the paint, knowing there was only two secs and not enough time to pass it to the wing, and 3- there should have been help from the weak side also collapsing on LeBron.
That last play was a isolated play, in the scheme of things where the Heat was able to play small and not have to worry about rebounding and playing defense on the other end, this is the reason why they could not this way during the whole game. But playing a smaller quicker line-up in that instance created all types of nightmares for a bigger slower team especially with so many outside shooters on the floor... However defending with the quicker more athletic lineup, the Pacers main goal was to not give the Heat any wide open jump shots (just imagine the flack they would have gotten if Bosh was to pull up for a 15 footer while being guarded by a smaller guard via defense rotation) while being able to collapse in the paint..
If Hibbert was on the floor and in the paint, Bosh would have most likely had a smaller player trying to guard him due to defensive rotation switch off... As for the argument "I'd rather Bosh shoot a 15 footer than James lay up the ball" this would not be much of an argument if they collaps on LeBron like they were supposed to do... The argument should have been would you rather the Heat shoot an outside jumper with a player defending or risk free someone due to slower foot speed or poor rotation..
Allowing James to attack the basket the way he did, should not have been part of the equation,
If the Pacers were to do their job right 1- George would have kept LeBron in front on him, 2- Hansbrough should have collaps hard in the paint, knowing there was only two secs and not enough time to pass it to the wing, and 3- there should have been help from the weak side also collapsing on LeBron.
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Bottom line Pacers jagged that game. Fuck the last two Heat possessions. What about the careless turnovers and not being able to knock down freethrows? I hate both of these squads but for different reasons so I don't care who wins. Logic says despite my feelings Heat will prevail
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At Norris Cole "Ric Flairing" David West and Shane's UFC flying knee to Hibbert. I know one thing no Heat fan better not ever accuse other teams of being dirty.
Bottom line Pacers jagged that game. Fuck the last two Heat possessions. What about the careless turnovers and not being able to knock down freethrows? I hate both of these squads but for different reasons so I don't care who wins. Logic says despite my feelings Heat will prevail
.At Norris Cole "Ric Flairing" David West and Shane's UFC flying knee to Hibbert. I know one thing no Heat fan better not ever accuse other teams of being dirty.
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Heat wasn't playing dirty stop
Bottom line Pacers jagged that game. Fuck the last two Heat possessions. What about the careless turnovers and not being able to knock down freethrows? I hate both of these squads but for different reasons so I don't care who wins. Logic says despite my feelings Heat will prevail
Heat wasn't playing dirty stop
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C'mon BDR, Shane Battier always be on some Dennis Rodman/Bruce Bowen type tactics. He is always on the ground or flailing all over the place. Word of warning though watch Hacksborough he will be on that shit again so tell Udonis to be vigilant
C'mon BDR, Shane Battier always be on some Dennis Rodman/Bruce Bowen type tactics. He is always on the ground or flailing all over the place. Word of warning though watch Hacksborough he will be on that shit again so tell Udonis to be vigilant
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coach pop doesn't coach OKC.
different teams create different match-up issues.
did you think chris "birdman" anderson would go-off like he did on his own, or was it bc hibbert had to help THE OTHER WEAK ASS DEFENDERS after they failed to keep their man out the lane?
football is very, very similar to basketball:
to win football, you need to STOP the run, and you need to be ABLE to run. when the defense collapses to stop the run, you pass.
to win in basketball you need to stop the lane penetration and you need to be able to penetrate the lane. when the defense starts collapsing to stop penetration, you pass to the open shooters.
for example, tony parker and manu are penetrating at will and giving WIDE OPEN looks to 3-point shooters, esp. in the corner. it will continue until memphis STOPS the penetration.
last night, you tell your players to collapse into the lane after the ball is in-bounded. 2.2 seconds is not enough time to call an illegal defense; so lebron is going up against 4 players after he gets by george.
in the san antonio game, zbo was covered by 3 or 4 people EVERY time he touched the ball; he had NO space.
wait hold up
you think that clogging the lane is a new tactic.....or something that teams dont take into consideration ?
Offenses are built to try and create spacing.
By the way that stopping the superstar didnt work when OKC backdoor swept the spurs last year.
Why didnt he use some of that pixie dust last year?
coach pop doesn't coach OKC.
different teams create different match-up issues.
did you think chris "birdman" anderson would go-off like he did on his own, or was it bc hibbert had to help THE OTHER WEAK ASS DEFENDERS after they failed to keep their man out the lane?
football is very, very similar to basketball:
to win football, you need to STOP the run, and you need to be ABLE to run. when the defense collapses to stop the run, you pass.
to win in basketball you need to stop the lane penetration and you need to be able to penetrate the lane. when the defense starts collapsing to stop penetration, you pass to the open shooters.
for example, tony parker and manu are penetrating at will and giving WIDE OPEN looks to 3-point shooters, esp. in the corner. it will continue until memphis STOPS the penetration.
last night, you tell your players to collapse into the lane after the ball is in-bounded. 2.2 seconds is not enough time to call an illegal defense; so lebron is going up against 4 players after he gets by george.
in the san antonio game, zbo was covered by 3 or 4 people EVERY time he touched the ball; he had NO space.
YOU DO NOT LOSE BASKETBALL GAMES ON A LAST SECOND LAY-UP! NEVER.
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Alright it's between games. Now, where were you getting at, exactly? It sounds silly, unless I'm tripping, stating this team is going to change from year-to-year. Of course it is.
But the core players will remain: Hill, Hibbert, and George. West is leaning towards staying. And if you're talking about affording Lance, a guy who most people didn't know about prior to this season, Orlando Johnson may materialize. Lance was struggling last season searching for an identity.
And Granger's salary is off the books after next season. Maybe you're really high on Lance. Maybe you believe West will command too high of a salary.
So where is this luxury tax? Which player(s) is this about specifically?
You're entitled to your opinion about any team. But when you're placing absolutes on Indiana's future personnel decisions, that sounds like some serious shade/ fear. The Pacer's roster is fairly secure right now. I'm sure they have a plan. If West bounces, he bounces, that's additional salary for additional support.
And I take that back about the Nets. Y'all got your own problems but that's a solid bunch at times. Who knows what may happen for you guys in the future? I'm not a player hater. Good luck next season.
Out of no where
Why you think the guy who put this team together quit after he won Exec of the Year. Again what did Bird say??
Then again maybe Bird was wrong. Maybe I'm full of shit. Maybe Indiana will be different than the other small market teams who had to make cost cutting trades. Maybe the Pacers will be the small market team to go over the luxury tax.
Don't be mad at me for saying Santa isn't real
Alright it's between games. Now, where were you getting at, exactly? It sounds silly, unless I'm tripping, stating this team is going to change from year-to-year. Of course it is.
But the core players will remain: Hill, Hibbert, and George. West is leaning towards staying. And if you're talking about affording Lance, a guy who most people didn't know about prior to this season, Orlando Johnson may materialize. Lance was struggling last season searching for an identity.
And Granger's salary is off the books after next season. Maybe you're really high on Lance. Maybe you believe West will command too high of a salary.
So where is this luxury tax? Which player(s) is this about specifically?
You're entitled to your opinion about any team. But when you're placing absolutes on Indiana's future personnel decisions, that sounds like some serious shade/ fear. The Pacer's roster is fairly secure right now. I'm sure they have a plan. If West bounces, he bounces, that's additional salary for additional support.
And I take that back about the Nets. Y'all got your own problems but that's a solid bunch at times. Who knows what may happen for you guys in the future? I'm not a player hater. Good luck next season.
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Pacers-Heat Preview
MIAMI (AP) Losing a game at the final buzzer, no less than a playoff game on the road against the reigning NBA champion Miami Heat, would seem to have potential to demoralize the Indiana Pacers.
Or not.
``Our belief,'' Pacers coach Frank Vogel said Thursday, ``has strengthened.''
Barely 12 hours after LeBron James scored on a drive as time expired in overtime to give the Heat a win in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals, the Pacers were more steeled than shaken when they arrived for practice at the arena where it all went awry in the series opener. The second-guessing of Vogel's decision to keep Roy Hibbert on the bench for the final play was still going strong, but the Pacers insisted that they're mentally fine.
A short memory would likely help Indiana now, especially with Game 2 of the series back in Miami on Friday night.
``Very encouraged,'' Vogel said. ``Our belief in our ability to beat this team has strengthened after Game 1. Our familiarity in the playoffs, in the playoff series grows with each day, grows with each game, and there's a lot of things we can definitely do better.''
And on that point, the Pacers and Heat are in total agreement.
For as intense and down-to-the-wire as Game 1 was, with 35 ties or lead changes over 53 scintillating minutes where neither team ever held more than a seven-point lead, both the Pacers and Heat are expecting Friday to simply be better.
Matching the level of drama may be difficult, but the actual level of play, they think, will improve. It's easy to see how that could be the case, after a series-opener where both teams were turnover-happy - 20 for Indiana, 21 for Miami, hardly the norm for either side - and play was at times choppy thanks in part to 58 personal fouls being called.
``We're going to play a lot better,'' Heat center Chris Bosh said after film and on-court work Thursday. ``We've come to expect that of ourselves. We know that yesterday wasn't the championship effort that we need in order to win the series, let alone win the finals. We're going to have to do a much better job on defense and on offense to take care of the basketball, do a better job on the boards, do a better job of containing some of their actions.''
For all the sensational statistical story lines that were born from Game 1 - James' 30-point, 10-rebound, 10-assist effort, Chris Andersen making all seven of his shots, David West and Hibbert combining for 20 field goals - the boxscore alone points to plenty of areas where things could get better for both sides on Friday night.
In Miami's case, key reserves Ray Allen, Shane Battier and Norris Cole combined to shoot 2 for 16. In Indiana's case, George - who finished with 27 points - only had two at halftime, and Lance Stephenson shot just 2 for 10.
``We can get better,'' James said. ``I think both teams didn't play to the level that they're capable of playing at in Game 1. But both teams had a chance to win.''
The Heat usually have more than a chance to win. They're now 46-3 in their last 49 games, and 28-0 when Andersen grabs at least four rebounds. Still, Heat coach Erik Spoelstra was pleading for more.
``We have to push to get to another level,'' Spoelstra said. ``It was a very competitive game. Both teams were laying it all out there but we're trying to push to another level that we think we can get to - and we'll need to in this series.
``We have to continue to push forward and evolve. ... We have to play better in this series. In order to be able to win this series, we have to get to another level,'' Spoelstra said.
Another lineup - not another level - might have done wonders for the Pacers at the end of Game 1.
Vogel's decision to not have a 7-foot-2 shot-blocking machine like Hibbert in the game for the final play was still creating plenty of buzz on Thursday, though the second-guessing seemed to not be raining on Indiana's collective mood.
With Miami down by one, James took an inbounds pass from Shane Battier with 2.2 seconds left, drove past an overcommitted George and easily dropped a left-handed layup home as time expired. If Hibbert was in the game, odds are he would have been able to at least contest James at the rim. Without Hibbert, no one so much as seemed to even jump toward the final shot.
``I may have been able to get a hand on it,'' Hibbert said. ``I may not have. He may have done something differently. Can't really think about that. You just have to move on.''
When James scored, West turned and raised his arms a bit in clear disbelief. On Thursday, the Pacers' leader spoke about it all with a calm tone.
``I mean, hindsight is always 20-20,'' West said. ``We know he wants to be out there on the floor. Looking back at it, probably should have been on the floor. Again, we still had the chance to make the play.''
What's done is done, and Vogel said the second-guessing didn't bother him whatsoever. He's already moved on, and with good reason. The Pacers lost Game 1 of a second-round series in Miami last season, then took Game 2 and swiping home-court advantage away.
And he knows a Pacer win on Friday would change the complexion of this matchup as well.
``I don't think you can say you're the better team when that team has done what they've done,'' Vogel said. ``But I believe we can beat them.''
NOTES: Miami starting point guard Mario Chalmers said he's still dealing with a bruised left shoulder but expects to play in Game 2. Chalmers left in the third quarter on Wednesday after running into a hard screen set by Hibbert, though Spoelstra said he could have returned to the lineup if necessary. ... James headlined the All-NBA first team, collecting each of a possible 119 votes. George and Miami's Dwyane Wade were both on the third team.
Pacers-Heat Preview
MIAMI (AP) Losing a game at the final buzzer, no less than a playoff game on the road against the reigning NBA champion Miami Heat, would seem to have potential to demoralize the Indiana Pacers.
Or not.
``Our belief,'' Pacers coach Frank Vogel said Thursday, ``has strengthened.''
Barely 12 hours after LeBron James scored on a drive as time expired in overtime to give the Heat a win in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals, the Pacers were more steeled than shaken when they arrived for practice at the arena where it all went awry in the series opener. The second-guessing of Vogel's decision to keep Roy Hibbert on the bench for the final play was still going strong, but the Pacers insisted that they're mentally fine.
A short memory would likely help Indiana now, especially with Game 2 of the series back in Miami on Friday night.
``Very encouraged,'' Vogel said. ``Our belief in our ability to beat this team has strengthened after Game 1. Our familiarity in the playoffs, in the playoff series grows with each day, grows with each game, and there's a lot of things we can definitely do better.''
And on that point, the Pacers and Heat are in total agreement.
For as intense and down-to-the-wire as Game 1 was, with 35 ties or lead changes over 53 scintillating minutes where neither team ever held more than a seven-point lead, both the Pacers and Heat are expecting Friday to simply be better.
Matching the level of drama may be difficult, but the actual level of play, they think, will improve. It's easy to see how that could be the case, after a series-opener where both teams were turnover-happy - 20 for Indiana, 21 for Miami, hardly the norm for either side - and play was at times choppy thanks in part to 58 personal fouls being called.
``We're going to play a lot better,'' Heat center Chris Bosh said after film and on-court work Thursday. ``We've come to expect that of ourselves. We know that yesterday wasn't the championship effort that we need in order to win the series, let alone win the finals. We're going to have to do a much better job on defense and on offense to take care of the basketball, do a better job on the boards, do a better job of containing some of their actions.''
For all the sensational statistical story lines that were born from Game 1 - James' 30-point, 10-rebound, 10-assist effort, Chris Andersen making all seven of his shots, David West and Hibbert combining for 20 field goals - the boxscore alone points to plenty of areas where things could get better for both sides on Friday night.
In Miami's case, key reserves Ray Allen, Shane Battier and Norris Cole combined to shoot 2 for 16. In Indiana's case, George - who finished with 27 points - only had two at halftime, and Lance Stephenson shot just 2 for 10.
``We can get better,'' James said. ``I think both teams didn't play to the level that they're capable of playing at in Game 1. But both teams had a chance to win.''
The Heat usually have more than a chance to win. They're now 46-3 in their last 49 games, and 28-0 when Andersen grabs at least four rebounds. Still, Heat coach Erik Spoelstra was pleading for more.
``We have to push to get to another level,'' Spoelstra said. ``It was a very competitive game. Both teams were laying it all out there but we're trying to push to another level that we think we can get to - and we'll need to in this series.
``We have to continue to push forward and evolve. ... We have to play better in this series. In order to be able to win this series, we have to get to another level,'' Spoelstra said.
Another lineup - not another level - might have done wonders for the Pacers at the end of Game 1.
Vogel's decision to not have a 7-foot-2 shot-blocking machine like Hibbert in the game for the final play was still creating plenty of buzz on Thursday, though the second-guessing seemed to not be raining on Indiana's collective mood.
With Miami down by one, James took an inbounds pass from Shane Battier with 2.2 seconds left, drove past an overcommitted George and easily dropped a left-handed layup home as time expired. If Hibbert was in the game, odds are he would have been able to at least contest James at the rim. Without Hibbert, no one so much as seemed to even jump toward the final shot.
``I may have been able to get a hand on it,'' Hibbert said. ``I may not have. He may have done something differently. Can't really think about that. You just have to move on.''
When James scored, West turned and raised his arms a bit in clear disbelief. On Thursday, the Pacers' leader spoke about it all with a calm tone.
``I mean, hindsight is always 20-20,'' West said. ``We know he wants to be out there on the floor. Looking back at it, probably should have been on the floor. Again, we still had the chance to make the play.''
What's done is done, and Vogel said the second-guessing didn't bother him whatsoever. He's already moved on, and with good reason. The Pacers lost Game 1 of a second-round series in Miami last season, then took Game 2 and swiping home-court advantage away.
And he knows a Pacer win on Friday would change the complexion of this matchup as well.
``I don't think you can say you're the better team when that team has done what they've done,'' Vogel said. ``But I believe we can beat them.''
NOTES: Miami starting point guard Mario Chalmers said he's still dealing with a bruised left shoulder but expects to play in Game 2. Chalmers left in the third quarter on Wednesday after running into a hard screen set by Hibbert, though Spoelstra said he could have returned to the lineup if necessary. ... James headlined the All-NBA first team, collecting each of a possible 119 votes. George and Miami's Dwyane Wade were both on the third team.
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they gone cover the bill?
they gone cover the bill?
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I wonder if Spo will remember he has Mike Miller
I wonder if Spo will remember he has Mike Miller
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given the defensive strategy on that last possession, i don't find any fault with coach vogel's decision to NOT have roy hibbert on the floor.
the pacers were in a "switch everything" mode. was roy hibbert going to be able to chase ray allen into the corner? nah.
coach spoelstra's intel on the pacer's D was better in the final play. and coach spoelstra's play call to run off the help was genius.
given the defensive strategy on that last possession, i don't find any fault with coach vogel's decision to NOT have roy hibbert on the floor.
the pacers were in a "switch everything" mode. was roy hibbert going to be able to chase ray allen into the corner? nah.
coach spoelstra's intel on the pacer's D was better in the final play. and coach spoelstra's play call to run off the help was genius.
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i went over that! lol.
i don't believe they would've switched everything. but there were no screens set. so no confusion to even be had.
just stick with bosh and he would have been in the paint.
it's only 2 seconds not really enough time to make 2 or 3 passes and then get a shot.
i went over that! lol.
i don't believe they would've switched everything. but there were no screens set. so no confusion to even be had.
just stick with bosh and he would have been in the paint.
it's only 2 seconds not really enough time to make 2 or 3 passes and then get a shot.
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i can see if people want to criticize coach vogel for his decision to "switch everything" (which they did, and had tyler hansbrough chasing ray allen into the corner, opening up the middle), but not his personnel choice.
i can see if people want to criticize coach vogel for his decision to "switch everything" (which they did, and had tyler hansbrough chasing ray allen into the corner, opening up the middle), but not his personnel choice.
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but i believe they go hand in hand.
he doesn't choose to switch everything then hibbert can be in the game.
he does choose to switch everything then tyler comes in.
but i believe they go hand in hand.
he doesn't choose to switch everything then hibbert can be in the game.
he does choose to switch everything then tyler comes in.
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Vogel if he were smart which he isn't would have had Hibbert on the ball for the in bounds man Battier, that would have taken away that quick cut play to the basket James made lol
Vogel if he were smart which he isn't would have had Hibbert on the ball for the in bounds man Battier, that would have taken away that quick cut play to the basket James made lol
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i've never HATED an NBA player until i saw the antics of bruce bowen. i'm glad he's retired now... bc the NBA doesn't need people like him on the court.
dude was foul as fuck.
bruce bowen = main reason why i hate the spurs...bc the team NEVER suspended him for his dirty antics.
what he did to vince carter and amare was criminal. his tactic of placing his foot in your landing area after a jumper is about as dirty as it gets.
I HATE THIS MAN.
C'mon BDR, Shane Battier always be on some Dennis Rodman/Bruce Bowen type tactics. He is always on the ground or flailing all over the place. Word of warning though watch Hacksborough he will be on that shit again so tell Udonis to be vigilant
i've never HATED an NBA player until i saw the antics of bruce bowen. i'm glad he's retired now... bc the NBA doesn't need people like him on the court.
dude was foul as fuck.
bruce bowen = main reason why i hate the spurs...bc the team NEVER suspended him for his dirty antics.
what he did to vince carter and amare was criminal. his tactic of placing his foot in your landing area after a jumper is about as dirty as it gets.
I HATE THIS MAN.
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Man believe me i tried not to reply to this...
Game 5 against the Bulls I wanted Wade to rest/sit. Miller goes from no minutes to starting, then Lewis spares James and Bosh minutes.
The one thing Mike "Let It Fly" Miller does (that i love)which takes effort, is weak side rebound. I fucking hate Bosh @ the five for extended minutes. That spreading the floor scheme, leaves no movement towards the rim when the ball is swung to Bosh's corner. Lebron watch the play often, BUT when he does decide to interact in rebounding, he does well(Wade also). Mike Miller crashes damn near every time, unless he's Letting it fly.
Man believe me i tried not to reply to this...
Game 5 against the Bulls I wanted Wade to rest/sit. Miller goes from no minutes to starting, then Lewis spares James and Bosh minutes.
The one thing Mike "Let It Fly" Miller does (that i love)which takes effort, is weak side rebound. I fucking hate Bosh @ the five for extended minutes. That spreading the floor scheme, leaves no movement towards the rim when the ball is swung to Bosh's corner. Lebron watch the play often, BUT when he does decide to interact in rebounding, he does well(Wade also). Mike Miller crashes damn near every time, unless he's Letting it fly.
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so flip the discussion on it's head.
you insert roy hibbert for the final play. who is the rest of the pacers 5 on the floor?
and for the record, if i were going to have removed anyone on the floor for the pacers on that final play, it would've been sam young.
so flip the discussion on it's head.
you insert roy hibbert for the final play. who is the rest of the pacers 5 on the floor?
and for the record, if i were going to have removed anyone on the floor for the pacers on that final play, it would've been sam young.
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Sam took Roy's spot tho...
The coach did what he did, to be honest Lebron could've took the jumper also.
Sam took Roy's spot tho...
The coach did what he did, to be honest Lebron could've took the jumper also.
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not really. sam young was checking ray allen on the inbounds.
sam young switched off with tyler hansbrough on the fake/brush screen.
not really. sam young was checking ray allen on the inbounds.
sam young switched off with tyler hansbrough on the fake/brush screen.
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just replace young with hibbert and move tyler to the inbounds pass and have him use his active energy to try and disrupt.
all the heat did was have allen run to the three in the corner...
then have bosh go to outside the block.
then have bron and the other flash to the top of the key.
nobody even made contact with anyone else so there were no screens to confuse anyone. and nobody even really came into bron/george area.
he just grossly overplayed the flash at the top of the key.
just replace young with hibbert and move tyler to the inbounds pass and have him use his active energy to try and disrupt.
all the heat did was have allen run to the three in the corner...
then have bosh go to outside the block.
then have bron and the other flash to the top of the key.
nobody even made contact with anyone else so there were no screens to confuse anyone. and nobody even really came into bron/george area.
he just grossly overplayed the flash at the top of the key.
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norris cole - george hill
ray allen - david west
shane battier - tyler hansbrough
lebron james - paul george
chris bosh - roy hibbert
this is what you're suggesting.
to me, that doesn't sit right.
norris cole - george hill
ray allen - david west
shane battier - tyler hansbrough
lebron james - paul george
chris bosh - roy hibbert
this is what you're suggesting.
to me, that doesn't sit right.
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nah that's not how it happened.
but this supports my other post about how they should have or could have played it
cole comes from the bottom. bosh is at the top shane inbounds the ball.
allen runs through to flare off at the 3. no screen set, just a touch on bosh to let him know to go.
bosh goes down. same time cole runs around bosh to the top. hill doesn't get screened so he just goes under and meets cole at the top
same time as cole gets to the top bron flashes to the top of the key and gets it.
there were 2.2 seconds left. with a direct line to the basket off of a quick cut the ball went in with 0.1 seconds left.
now if lebron has to hesitate for a second because of hibbert if he tries a layup he might not even get the shot off..
if he has to try and pass it to bosh to shoot the jumper the shot might not even get off..
if paul george doesn't grossly overplay the inbound pass he has to shoot a bunny or a fade away or a leaner....
anything other than what paul george did means the play becomes 10000x more difficult.
nah that's not how it happened.
but this supports my other post about how they should have or could have played it
cole comes from the bottom. bosh is at the top shane inbounds the ball.
allen runs through to flare off at the 3. no screen set, just a touch on bosh to let him know to go.
bosh goes down. same time cole runs around bosh to the top. hill doesn't get screened so he just goes under and meets cole at the top
same time as cole gets to the top bron flashes to the top of the key and gets it.
there were 2.2 seconds left. with a direct line to the basket off of a quick cut the ball went in with 0.1 seconds left.
now if lebron has to hesitate for a second because of hibbert if he tries a layup he might not even get the shot off..
if he has to try and pass it to bosh to shoot the jumper the shot might not even get off..
if paul george doesn't grossly overplay the inbound pass he has to shoot a bunny or a fade away or a leaner....
anything other than what paul george did means the play becomes 10000x more difficult.
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no take west out and add stephenson.
no take west out and add stephenson.
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LBOP,
what i said is EXACTLY how it happened.
ray allen ran off the help defender: tyler hansbrough. this happened because sam young and tyler hansbrough switched ray allen for chris bosh.
it's a disguised "clear out" based on timing.
LBOP,
what i said is EXACTLY how it happened.
ray allen ran off the help defender: tyler hansbrough. this happened because sam young and tyler hansbrough switched ray allen for chris bosh.
it's a disguised "clear out" based on timing.
Re: {--Miami Heat vs Indiana Pacers - East Conf. Finals 2013--}
Bills your correct, but I would've though about ball denial on Lebron...
Bills your correct, but I would've though about ball denial on Lebron...
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nah that was mistake at the top part the multi quote didn't work.
the youtube video to below is what was specifically for you. that's my bad.
LBOP,
what i said is EXACTLY how it happened.
ray allen ran off the help defender: tyler hansbrough. this happened because sam young and tyler hansbrough switched ray allen for chris bosh.
it's a disguised "clear out" based on timing.
nah that was mistake at the top part the multi quote didn't work.
the youtube video to below is what was specifically for you. that's my bad.
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can't based on how george played him.
george reacted so late on the flash that you could have realistically let lebron flash to the top have george rush to catch up then have lebron cut to the basket and pass it to him for an even easier layup
hibbert missing is just to hide the error george made.
can't based on how george played him.
george reacted so late on the flash that you could have realistically let lebron flash to the top have george rush to catch up then have lebron cut to the basket and pass it to him for an even easier layup
hibbert missing is just to hide the error george made.
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Which is something Coach V didn't see coming.
To be honest it's was a nice play drawn up for the Heat, simple movement, that caused detractions.
I'm not letting Lebron get the ball that easy, The Knicks played him great in these situation last year during the season. Melo would deny the ball, keeping the ball outta his hand at times.
Which is something Coach V didn't see coming.
To be honest it's was a nice play drawn up for the Heat, simple movement, that caused detractions.
I'm not letting Lebron get the ball that easy, The Knicks played him great in these situation last year during the season. Melo would deny the ball, keeping the ball outta his hand at times.
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Denial for what! When is the last game winning jumper he made? If I was the coach I would have kept my big man in and worried about Ray Allen or Bosh hitting the jumper. I think they were trying to keep the ball out of Allen's hands
Denial for what! When is the last game winning jumper he made? If I was the coach I would have kept my big man in and worried about Ray Allen or Bosh hitting the jumper. I think they were trying to keep the ball out of Allen's hands
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i think tyler would have been more active and made that pass difficult. he's a pest. other than that unless you're playing zone everyone else was literally spread out.
but if george keeps him in front of him this is a different situation.
lebron is more than capable of hitting the game winning jumper.
the problem is you can't give up a layup. it has to be harder. not that a 10 foot jumper is THAT much more likely to not go in.
but it has a better chance than a layup..
i think tyler would have been more active and made that pass difficult. he's a pest. other than that unless you're playing zone everyone else was literally spread out.
but if george keeps him in front of him this is a different situation.
lebron is more than capable of hitting the game winning jumper.
the problem is you can't give up a layup. it has to be harder. not that a 10 foot jumper is THAT much more likely to not go in.
but it has a better chance than a layup..
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easy answer... cause lebron is getting the ball, no doubt.
with 2.2 seconds on the clock, place hibbert in-front the rim no matter where his man is located because that's NOT enough time for an illegal defense call.
paul george: keep lebron in-front of you. stand straight-up on a jump shot, but do NOT allow him to drive.
the 3 other motherfuckers need to collapse TOWARDS LEBRON after the ball is in-bounded... allowing ANYBODY else to take a jump shot to win the game.
again, you NEVER, EVER EVER lose a basketball game by allowing the other team to drive for a motherfucking lay-up.
easy answer... cause lebron is getting the ball, no doubt.
with 2.2 seconds on the clock, place hibbert in-front the rim no matter where his man is located because that's NOT enough time for an illegal defense call.
paul george: keep lebron in-front of you. stand straight-up on a jump shot, but do NOT allow him to drive.
the 3 other motherfuckers need to collapse TOWARDS LEBRON after the ball is in-bounded... allowing ANYBODY else to take a jump shot to win the game.
again, you NEVER, EVER EVER lose a basketball game by allowing the other team to drive for a motherfucking lay-up.
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