Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
of course he does
of course he does
As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former foe
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Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Stop trying to defend Kobe for a second (notice the trend) and just think about this. We are saying that not only could Kobe have gotten the two he eventually got a few years later, he could have gotten those two and most likely at least a couple of more WITH shaq.
Shaq was still good enough to team up with Wade and take a non-competitive team to a title. That just proves that Shaq still had titles in him.
Shit, the lakers should have won in 2004 if Kobe would have stayed in his lane.
Stop trying to defend Kobe for a second (notice the trend) and just think about this. We are saying that not only could Kobe have gotten the two he eventually got a few years later, he could have gotten those two and most likely at least a couple of more WITH shaq.
Shaq was still good enough to team up with Wade and take a non-competitive team to a title. That just proves that Shaq still had titles in him.
Shit, the lakers should have won in 2004 if Kobe would have stayed in his lane.
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I don't have to read the book to understand what Kobe's bitch-ass did, not only to Shaq, but to Gasol as well (allegedly). Shaq should have put Kobe on the IR for months for that sucker shit....
I'm a Laker fan, but I'll tell ANYONE within earshot that I don't fuck with Kobe, nor do I fuck with niggas that subscribe to his bullshit.
SupremeExtremist said:If you read that book, while you may not agree with it, you will at least be able to to understand why Kobe would say the shit he said to the cops in Colorado.
I don't have to read the book to understand what Kobe's bitch-ass did, not only to Shaq, but to Gasol as well (allegedly). Shaq should have put Kobe on the IR for months for that sucker shit....
I'm a Laker fan, but I'll tell ANYONE within earshot that I don't fuck with Kobe, nor do I fuck with niggas that subscribe to his bullshit.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
If you look at in that narrow view, then Buss made the right decision.
However, it was Kobe in the 2004 Finals that drove Shaq to make the ultimatum.
So if Kobe just stayed in his lane, it would have never been an issue in the first place.
Come on man, that shit Kobe pulled in the 2004 Finals was fucking ridiculous (even as a Pistons fans that shit was disturbing).
If you look at in that narrow view, then Buss made the right decision.
However, it was Kobe in the 2004 Finals that drove Shaq to make the ultimatum.
So if Kobe just stayed in his lane, it would have never been an issue in the first place.
Come on man, that shit Kobe pulled in the 2004 Finals was fucking ridiculous (even as a Pistons fans that shit was disturbing).
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
That's too easy.
I understand where you're coming from, but you're looking at the violation committed, and not the impetus.
You probably wouldn't agree still...
...but when someone humiliated you in front of everyone as many times as Shaq did Kobe, it was only a matter of time before Kobe found a way to 'get even'.
You all also have to realize that, psychologically speaking, Kobe ain't wired like most people. I could post a ton of shit to clarify my point, and by the time I was done, ya'll would be on some 'Oooooooh, shit' stuff.
Phil had Dennis, but why do you think Phil was so adamant about gettin' rid of Kobe, and even going at him in that book? Phil didn't even tell the whole story.
I'm a fan, but there is something wrong with Kobe.
That's too easy.
I understand where you're coming from, but you're looking at the violation committed, and not the impetus.
You probably wouldn't agree still...
...but when someone humiliated you in front of everyone as many times as Shaq did Kobe, it was only a matter of time before Kobe found a way to 'get even'.
You all also have to realize that, psychologically speaking, Kobe ain't wired like most people. I could post a ton of shit to clarify my point, and by the time I was done, ya'll would be on some 'Oooooooh, shit' stuff.
Phil had Dennis, but why do you think Phil was so adamant about gettin' rid of Kobe, and even going at him in that book? Phil didn't even tell the whole story.
I'm a fan, but there is something wrong with Kobe.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Quotes? Excerpts?You dudes need to read 'Mad Game' by Roland Lazenby.
You will quickly find out why Kobe and Shaq couldn't work...
...and it wasn't just because Kobe wanted to be 'the man'.
Shaq did and said a lot of really fucked up shit to Kobe. If you read that book, while you may not agree with it, you will at least be able to to understand why Kobe would say the shit he said to the cops in Colorado.
There is REAL hatred between those dudes.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
bumping this.
Yeah. Hit us with some quotes from the book if you have them.
bumping this.
Yeah. Hit us with some quotes from the book if you have them.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Let me get it. I want to quote verbatim.
Give me about 15 to 30 minutes to read through it, and get back to ya'll.
Update: How about this: I'll update as I find them, instead of trying to post them all at once.
This is more funny than anything(It's a pretty big book) -- "In his first season in Los Angeles, O'neal used that humor to nudge Kobe toward being more of a team player. The center even composed ditty set to tune of 'Greatest Love Of All", aimed at Bryant. In the lockerroom Shaq would croon: "I believe that 'Showboat' is the future/Call the play and let that motherfucker shoot..." He'd sing a verse and comeback with the next a little louder: "I believe that 'Showboat' is the future....."
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Let me get it. I want to quote verbatim.
Give me about 15 to 30 minutes to read through it, and get back to ya'll.
Update: How about this: I'll update as I find them, instead of trying to post them all at once.
This is more funny than anything(It's a pretty big book) -- "In his first season in Los Angeles, O'neal used that humor to nudge Kobe toward being more of a team player. The center even composed ditty set to tune of 'Greatest Love Of All", aimed at Bryant. In the lockerroom Shaq would croon: "I believe that 'Showboat' is the future/Call the play and let that motherfucker shoot..." He'd sing a verse and comeback with the next a little louder: "I believe that 'Showboat' is the future....."
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Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
i have to read that lazenby book
i have to read that lazenby book
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Yup Kobe pulled some straight b.s in the 04 finals
Yup Kobe pulled some straight b.s in the 04 finals
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
bet..
i gotta cop that and that wilt autobiography
bet..
i gotta cop that and that wilt autobiography
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Kobe ran Shaq outta town with that shit. You kind of gotta respect a muthafucka that goes full-retard. That muthafucka is crazy. Ive never seen anything like that before in my life. Kobe was like...fuck that Shaq winning finals MVP shit..
Kobe ran Shaq outta town with that shit. You kind of gotta respect a muthafucka that goes full-retard. That muthafucka is crazy. Ive never seen anything like that before in my life. Kobe was like...fuck that Shaq winning finals MVP shit..
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
no matter what he said can't be worse than what kobe told the police
no matter what he said can't be worse than what kobe told the police
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Maybe it's because I'm a Kobe fan...
...but, to me, it wasn't THAT bad. He didn't say Shaq raped anyone. He didn't even say Shaq committed a crime. He just said that Shaq pays women, and maybe he should've did that to not be in this situation.
Frankly, it's only bad because it came out. Otherwise, what can the cops do with that information other than think Shaq is a trick?
Maybe it's because I'm a Kobe fan...
...but, to me, it wasn't THAT bad. He didn't say Shaq raped anyone. He didn't even say Shaq committed a crime. He just said that Shaq pays women, and maybe he should've did that to not be in this situation.
Frankly, it's only bad because it came out. Otherwise, what can the cops do with that information other than think Shaq is a trick?
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Maybe ya'll shouldn't read that book.
If ya'll don't like Kobe now...
...that book ain't gonna help at all.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
You can't tell the future. You see where he is now? He got 5. What in the world makes you think he'd get 5 total with Shaq then two on his own if they're struggling to get no 6.
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It really paints Kobe as a weirdo, anti-social, obsessed with basketball and his own goals. Tex Winter said he tried to talk to Kobe, because he said Kobe seemed like the kind of guy that would have a 'nervous breakdown' over basketball.
...I don't THINK Kobe intended to piss people off, but dude was so locked into his mode until expectation of team-play were a distant second concern.
Maybe he should've picked up golf or tennis.
It really paints Kobe as a weirdo, anti-social, obsessed with basketball and his own goals. Tex Winter said he tried to talk to Kobe, because he said Kobe seemed like the kind of guy that would have a 'nervous breakdown' over basketball.
...I don't THINK Kobe intended to piss people off, but dude was so locked into his mode until expectation of team-play were a distant second concern.
Maybe he should've picked up golf or tennis.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
tell the future? we can look at the past.
there wasn't a team in the east that could beat them. and they broke the spirits of everyone in the west.
they could have made it there 5 or 6 times to begin the decade and beat anyone the east had to offer easily.
if shaq took a young wade and a bunch of nobodies and they used him to get a ring... what would the talented lakers have done? they could have easily won 5 together.
kobe still could have gotten his 2 later as well.
tell the future? we can look at the past.
there wasn't a team in the east that could beat them. and they broke the spirits of everyone in the west.
they could have made it there 5 or 6 times to begin the decade and beat anyone the east had to offer easily.
if shaq took a young wade and a bunch of nobodies and they used him to get a ring... what would the talented lakers have done? they could have easily won 5 together.
kobe still could have gotten his 2 later as well.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Yep. Seems like he is made for individual sports.
I am actually interested to read his book when he eventually writes it.... because unlike most people, I think Kobe knows his faults and he will eventually be very blunt about it... I think he will admit to running shaq off, prematurally making the decision to chase Jordan, etc....
I actually hope this muthafucka decides to try to play PG to finish his career... he is healthy enough and works hard enough to keep playing... and he is crazy enough to try to play the decision and put up assists just to prove a point... he is that off..
Yep. Seems like he is made for individual sports.
I am actually interested to read his book when he eventually writes it.... because unlike most people, I think Kobe knows his faults and he will eventually be very blunt about it... I think he will admit to running shaq off, prematurally making the decision to chase Jordan, etc....
I actually hope this muthafucka decides to try to play PG to finish his career... he is healthy enough and works hard enough to keep playing... and he is crazy enough to try to play the decision and put up assists just to prove a point... he is that off..
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Hindsight is always 20/20. A lot of armchair quarterbacks in here.
How do you know this? How would one come to that conclusion in 2004? Think of players who've won once and never again, or got to the finals and lost and never got back.
Hindsight is always 20/20. A lot of armchair quarterbacks in here.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Its bad because he said it and its bad because it came out.
it was horrible. Shaq was married at the time. you can't say that to the police.. you can't say that to anyone out loud if you know that about a coworker or teammate or whatever you want to call them.
the moment you say shaq pays women to the police is the moment you can't be trusted by your teammates to keep stuff in the locker room and that's the moment people stop messing with you.
Its bad because he said it and its bad because it came out.
it was horrible. Shaq was married at the time. you can't say that to the police.. you can't say that to anyone out loud if you know that about a coworker or teammate or whatever you want to call them.
the moment you say shaq pays women to the police is the moment you can't be trusted by your teammates to keep stuff in the locker room and that's the moment people stop messing with you.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
I said should and could (as in possibly).
But I think we can all conclude that team was good enough to continue to compete for titles.
and for the next 4 years, the Lakers didnt even get out of the first round... So I think logically we could conclude that Kobe had a better chance of winning titles with Shaq (who was still a dominant player)
I said should and could (as in possibly).
But I think we can all conclude that team was good enough to continue to compete for titles.
and for the next 4 years, the Lakers didnt even get out of the first round... So I think logically we could conclude that Kobe had a better chance of winning titles with Shaq (who was still a dominant player)
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Props to Shaq on the jersey retirement. Well deserved.
Props to Shaq on the jersey retirement. Well deserved.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
I don't know who the "we" you're referring to are, but I never said they couldn't have won more chips together and I'm not defending Kobe (you're projecting). I'm saying that at the time Kobe, Shaq, Phil Jackson and Dr Buss felt their tandem was too damage to continue and the decision was made to stick with the guy who would go on to win more chips than the other guy. That's not a defense; those are facts. If you weren't so busy trying call Kobe out, you would see there's nothing for me to defend.
Stop with the soap opera narratives and he said she said, bruh... Dr Buss chose to roll with the player he felt would earn him more chips and money from that point forward. Of course Kobe did some dumb shit... so did Shaq. The situation reached critical mass and a basketball decision was made. I dig Shaq and Kobe, both as teammates and rivals, but nothing lasts forever, man. I'm a lifelong Lakers fan and even I'm not crying over what could have been as much as cats who don't even like the Lakers do. That's crazy.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
I think you guys should put yourselves in that type of position and think about what you'd do.
Winning with Shaq wasn't necessarily a given. What would be a given is a deteriorating relationship between two prideful men.
But as a MAN, knowing what Kobe experienced with Shaq- they bullying, the disrespect- would YOU opt for championships, or to forge your own name?
I think you guys should put yourselves in that type of position and think about what you'd do.
Winning with Shaq wasn't necessarily a given. What would be a given is a deteriorating relationship between two prideful men.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
This shows me just how much kareem is hated in the nba.
This shows me just how much kareem is hated in the nba.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Funny how people are just blaming Kobe as if Shaq didn't play a part
Phil even admits they fucked up some. That's why he came back
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Shit, how did his time in Miami end? His relationship with Kobe is better than it is with DWade.
Are him and Lebron buddy buddy now?
Shaq had no choice, but to be a side kick, and you never heard how he was a leader and great teammate like a Juwaun Howard or Sheed..
Funny how people are just blaming Kobe as if Shaq didn't play a part
Phil even admits they fucked up some. That's why he came back
,Shit, how did his time in Miami end? His relationship with Kobe is better than it is with DWade.
Are him and Lebron buddy buddy now?
Shaq had no choice, but to be a side kick, and you never heard how he was a leader and great teammate like a Juwaun Howard or Sheed..
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Come on Ming. Stop the bullshit. Youre in ever thread where something is said about Kobe and you start defending him. Stop playing man. I dont even know why you keep trying to fake the funk on that shit.
Even SupremeExtremist is on record about the fuckery Kobe pulled in the 2004 Finals. No one is busy trying to call Kobe out. That is just calling a spade a spade. That shit was ridiculous.
Shaq was very clearly articulating the shit during the series too. Kobe knew what he was doing. That was hijacking by definition.
I fixed that for you.
As I fan of basketball, I would have liked to seen everything milked out of that squad. That team ended prematurely and Shaq was still in his prime (the end of it....but still in it).
Come on Ming. Stop the bullshit. Youre in ever thread where something is said about Kobe and you start defending him. Stop playing man. I dont even know why you keep trying to fake the funk on that shit.
Even SupremeExtremist is on record about the fuckery Kobe pulled in the 2004 Finals. No one is busy trying to call Kobe out. That is just calling a spade a spade. That shit was ridiculous.
Shaq was very clearly articulating the shit during the series too. Kobe knew what he was doing. That was hijacking by definition.
I fixed that for you.
As I fan of basketball, I would have liked to seen everything milked out of that squad. That team ended prematurely and Shaq was still in his prime (the end of it....but still in it).
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
exactly true fans want to see excellence and want to see a team fulfill everything it could.
don't matter what the team is. its not a lakers issue its a history issue.
exactly true fans want to see excellence and want to see a team fulfill everything it could.
don't matter what the team is. its not a lakers issue its a history issue.
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo
Shaq could have been equally to blame for the infighting. It still doesnt change the fact that Kobe could have likely won more titles if he just road it out while Shaq was still in his prime.
The argument was about Kobe getting to 6. My argument is that he probably would have had a better chance if he just rode Shaq out....nothing more...nothing less.
I dont understand what the big fucking deal is about that argument. I bet you Kobe is going to admit that much after he retires.
Shaq could have been equally to blame for the infighting. It still doesnt change the fact that Kobe could have likely won more titles if he just road it out while Shaq was still in his prime.
The argument was about Kobe getting to 6. My argument is that he probably would have had a better chance if he just rode Shaq out....nothing more...nothing less.
I dont understand what the big fucking deal is about that argument. I bet you Kobe is going to admit that much after he retires.
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Oh. I am not saying that maybe Shaq was making it very difficult for Kobe to accept that role...especially considering Kobe had his own ideas for his legacy.
Dawg..I am not even arguing against that or even slamming Kobe for the reason why he might have made the decision.
The only thing I am arguing is that both of them probably would have won more titles if they had not let the ego get in the way and more than anyone, considering their age and stage of their careers, Kobe was the one would probably could have chilled for a couple more seasons.
I understand the whole alpha-male argument.... however, he would have likely already had number 6 right now had he been a bit more patient
Oh. I am not saying that maybe Shaq was making it very difficult for Kobe to accept that role...especially considering Kobe had his own ideas for his legacy.
Dawg..I am not even arguing against that or even slamming Kobe for the reason why he might have made the decision.
The only thing I am arguing is that both of them probably would have won more titles if they had not let the ego get in the way and more than anyone, considering their age and stage of their careers, Kobe was the one would probably could have chilled for a couple more seasons.
I understand the whole alpha-male argument.... however, he would have likely already had number 6 right now had he been a bit more patient
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