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With reconciliation not an option between feuding stars Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal after the 2004 season, the Lakers were forced to choose sides.

Lakers owner Dr. Jerry Buss opted for the younger Bryant, who later rewarded him with two championships. Now nearly nine years later, the Lakers are showing their appreciation for O'Neal by retiring his No. 34 jersey Tuesday night, when the Lakers face the Dallas Mavericks.

Splitting up has helped Kobe and Shaq gain some appreciation for each other. (Getty Images)In one of the team's signature eras, Shaq and Kobe made four NBA Finals appearances with the Lakers, winning three consecutive titles from 2000-02.

O'Neal won his only post-Lakers title with the Miami Heat in 2006, and it's something Bryant won't let the big man live down.

"I always remind him every time I see him," Bryant, who's won five championships with the Lakers, told Yahoo! Sports. "I saw him after the All-Star Game and said, 'How you doing, 'Four' ?' He said, 'Oh, you [expletive].' [Our relationship is] really good now. We have such a mutual respect for each other."

But it wasn't always that way.

The NBA has not had many duos as talented as O'Neal and Bryant, who each had huge egos that proved more challenging than any opponent.

Bryant viewed O'Neal as out of shape and overweight, and questioned his leadership. O'Neal pointed out that he was the "big dog" on the team. He thought Bryant was selfish and didn't pass the ball enough. O'Neal would later say the biggest issues between the two were of the marketing variety.

After falling to the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals, Bryant had enough when O'Neal compared him to Penny Hardway and the All-Star guard said there was "not a chance" they could play together again.

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"It was inevitable," Bryant said. "You can't expect Michael [Jordan] to play with Wilt [Chamberlain] for his entire career. That's just not going to work. I had too much talent and too much to showcase. And then there was a challenge issued by him about me not being able to win without him. That's a challenge I couldn't pass.

"But ultimately during those years I sacrificed a lot, numbers-wise, to play with him. The thing that always bothered me was people said, 'Well, Kobe's selfish.' I'm not selfish. If I was selfish, I would have left. I gave up a lot to play with him."

What if the Lakers had chosen O'Neal over Bryant?

"I would have went some place else and won more championships," Bryant said. "That's how driven I was. I was just that obsessed about winning without him. Everything was about that. I was obsessive about it and there was nothing that was going to get in my way."

O'Neal was traded to the Miami Heat on July 14, 2004, for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant and first- and second-round picks. Bryant was re-signed by the Lakers the next day, but that didn't put an end to the rivalry.

In 2009, O'Neal was videotaped rapping at a club, where he said, "Kobe couldn't do it without me" while offering other explicit, taunting lyrics. Bryant responded by winning championships in 2009 and 2010. Among Bryant's first comments after winning the 2010 title was that he had passed O'Neal, who eventually retired in 2011.

"Personalities and playing for each other weren't the best of dynamics because he always wanted to do things a certain way and I was always on him about his work ethic," Bryant said. "He didn't want to hear that, but I didn't care.

"It was tough for that relationship to work forever. But there was a mutual respect, and that's why you see us engaging with each other and conversing with each other because we knew what that was about."

Despite the many issues, Bryant added that he "really, really learned a lot" during O'Neal's time with the Lakers from 1996-2004.

"The thing that I respected about him was when he stepped on the court he was ferocious. That's the thing we both had in common. Between those lines nothing could stop us," Bryant said.

O'Neal averaged 27 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists and 2.5 blocks per game in 514 regular-season contests with the Lakers. His best Laker season was the 1999-2000 campaign in which he averaged an NBA-best 29.7 points per game and won the regular-season and NBA Finals MVP awards.


O'Neal will become the ninth Laker to have his jersey retired when his No. 34 is hung in the Staples Center rafters Tuesday night. The others honored: Wilt Chamberlain (13), Elgin Baylor (22), Gail Goodrich (25), Magic Johnson (32), Kareem Abdul-Jabaar (33), James Worth (42), Jerry West (44) and Jamaal Wilkes (52), who are all in the Hall of Fame. While O'Neal was known for his toughness on the floor, Bryant believes a softer side will be seen Tuesday night.

"Throughout his career he's always tried not to be sensitive," Bryant said. "But hopefully he will kind of let himself go a little bit. The fans should give him what he deserves because he gave us phenomenal, phenomenal years."
 
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo

Just imagine if Kobe knew how to get along with others. That could of been the best Laker tandem ever!
 
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo

shoot..........I didnt know they were retiring Diesel's jersey

congrats to him.

One of the most dominant athletes, not just big men in his prime

I will always remember his dunks on Chris Dudley and the Admiral
 
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo

Kobe said one thing that is very true: In his prime years, no matter what you can say about Shaq's work ethic, dude was a monster.

It got even crazier during the playoffs.

For ALL he accomplished, I still think Shaq should've retired no less than top two. Dude had too fucking much NOT to. I love Mike, but Shaq is about as rare as they come. If you search through another sport, you may find another Lebron...

...but, I don't recall every seeing another Shaq, with all that came with that size and strength of his.
 
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could've won 5 straight if he wasn't such a dumb ass

history SQUANDERED he'd have 7 rings right now
 
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they won 3 chips....they did quite fine :lol:

fine is ok but they had a chance... people don't get those chances.

lebron is having his right now..

jordan took his opening

shit hakeem took his opening...

there was no reason for them to lose from 00-06

shaq went elsewhere and won immediately.. come on now
 
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could've won 5 straight if he wasn't such a dumb ass

history SQUANDERED he'd have 7 rings right now

Homie, that's all well and good...

...but everyone ain't wired to be Pippen mentally. Even Pip made his comments from time to time.

Ultimately, a lot of shit was being said by Shaq and others that tormented dude. Dude came in the league wanting to be 'the man' - and people started saying Kobe was only great because he played with Shaq. Some people can deal with that...

...but, who wants that said about them? Shaq even started to insinuate that...

...and that's how shit fell apart. Every ring Kobe has won with Shaq is like a stain on his career. To this day, many people don't even count those rings, because he was apparently insignificant.
 
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The only time Bobby Knight played an all out zone was to thwart Shaq and the LSU Tigers out of the tourney. That was a great game.

Much respect to Shaq as a professional and personality. Wasn't always in shape but he paved a way for a lot of athletes to eat outside the lines.
 
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fine is ok but they had a chance... people don't get those chances.

lebron is having his right now..

jordan took his opening

shit hakeem took his opening...

there was no reason for them to lose from 00-06

shaq went elsewhere and won immediately.. come on now

It took him a year bro, then he never won shit else!!! :lol::lol:

Fuck Snaq :D
 
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shoot..........I didnt know they were retiring Diesel's jersey

congrats to him.

One of the most dominant athletes, not just big men in his prime

I will always remember his dunks on Chris Dudley and the Admiral

He used to abuse my Vlade.
 
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo

...and Kobe and Shaq ain't fooling me.

Some of the shit those niggas said about each other, and some of the things that happened...

...you can't talk that shit back. :lol:

Shaq pimped slapped Kobe in practice, and Kobe called up Jim Gray and gave the interview version of 'Ether'.

Both are sensitive as FUCK, so they may play nice, but they won't ever like each other.
 
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Kohe won a couple more without him.

and Shaq won one too.

However, those guys should have won more together and Kobe could have still pickedup up two more later.
 
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Homie, that's all well and good...

...but everyone ain't wired to be Pippen mentally. Even Pip made his comments from time to time.

Ultimately, a lot of shit was being said by Shaq and others that tormented dude. Dude came in the league wanting to be 'the man' - and people started saying Kobe was only great because he played with Shaq. Some people can deal with that...

...but, who wants that said about them? Shaq even started to insinuate that...

...and that's how shit fell apart. Every ring Kobe has won with Shaq is like a stain on his career. To this day, many people don't even count those rings, because he was apparently insignificant.

fuck what those people feel. as selfish as he is projected to be he shouldn't have given a fuck what they thought and got more rings and more rings and more rings.

cause he damn sure mentions he has 5 now and not 2

and he for damn sure would throw 7 rings in jordan's face.
 
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fuck what those people feel. as selfish as he is projected to be he shouldn't have given a fuck what they thought and got more rings and more rings and more rings.

cause he damn sure mentions he has 5 now and not 2

and he for damn sure would throw 7 rings in jordan's face.

Yep. Rings are precious. Shit, Kobe cheated himself out of a ring against my Pistons in 2004 by shooting his team out of the finals. It was obvious he was having no parts of another Shaq Finals MVP.
 
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It took him a year bro, then he never won shit else!!! :lol::lol:

Fuck Snaq :D

that could have been your ring though.
it could have been historic with 5 straight

shit even the league was on your side *sacramento* cough *sacramento*
 
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On a board with so many self professed alpha males, I wonder why they would expect an actual alpha male in his profession would want to play second fiddle and not try his hand at being the man with the weight on his shoulders?
 
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Yep. Rings are precious. Shit, Kobe cheated himself out of a ring against my Pistons in 2004 by shooting his team out of the finals. It was obvious he was having no parts of another Shaq Finals MVP.

that's what i mean. its frustrating.

once you break through, you need to loot. that's the lesson.

that back and forth shit only worked with magic and bird.

once you break through... you need to loot. jordna only stopped plundering cause they killed his father

he came back and got more his belly was full.

lebron and them are there now they broke through. now they need to fill up their bags with rings
 
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that could have been your ring though.
it could have been historic with 5 straight

shit even the league was on your side *sacramento* cough *sacramento*



Those niggas shot themselves out of the last game. They had a chance, but couldn't buy a freethrow.

Why let Sac shoot that many freethrows if it's a conspiracy to put LA in the Finals?

The suspicious game was a back breaker mentally, and it was a wrap.


...and while I can't deny fishy shit goes on in the NBA, there is a lot that can be brought up that shows the NBA ain't as rigged as it appears to be.

The Spurs with four rings? Two more than the NEW YORK Knicks have in their entire history.

How do the Knicks have 4 rings and the Spurs - who have horribly rated Finals - end go four times in about ten years?
 
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On a board with so many self professed alpha males, I wonder why they would expect an actual alpha male in his profession would want to play second fiddle and not try his hand at being the man with the weight on his shoulders?

age would dictate it was going to happen ANYWAY. why not USE HIM to get as many as he's worth and then get the rest on your own.

if he used shaq for 5 then got 2
you can't tell him shit

just like you can't tell him shit now cause no matter what you say once he got that 1 without shaq the whole argument is thrown out the window.
 
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Those niggas shot themselves out of the last game. They had a chance, but couldn't buy a freethrow.

Why let Sac shoot that many freethrows if it's a conspiracy to put LA in the Finals?

The suspicious game was a back breaker mentally, and it was a wrap.


...and while I can't deny fishy shit goes on in the NBA, there is a lot that can be brought up that shows the NBA ain't as rigged as it appears to be.

The Spurs with four rings? Two more than the NEW YORK Knicks have in their entire history.

How do the Knicks have 4 rings and the Spurs - who have horribly rated Finals - end go four times in about ten years?

you're confusing things.

knicks and spurs have nothing to do with it.

the knicks got ewing didn't they?
ok then...

the spurs are a better run organization period that's why. the league can't help a team win that can't even compete...

so the spurs have rings because they have a better coaching staff gm and owner than the knicks PERIOD.

when teams are even. refs tilt the scale.

the kings and the lakers were even...
 
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"It was inevitable," Bryant said. "You can't expect Michael [Jordan] to play with Wilt [Chamberlain] for his entire career. That's just not going to work. I had too much talent and too much to showcase. And then there was a challenge issued by him about me not being able to win without him. That's a challenge I couldn't pass.
And that was Tobes biggest problem. He thought he was Jordan. :smh:

Dude should have played his fucking position and and they would have won 2mroe titles together easily.
 
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you're confusing things.

knicks and spurs have nothing to do with it.

the knicks got ewing didn't they?
ok then...

the spurs are a better run organization period that's why. the league can't help a team win that can't even compete...

so the spurs have rings because they have a better coaching staff gm and owner than the knicks PERIOD.

when teams are even. refs tilt the scale.

the kings and the lakers were even...

Ok, well ...

...you don't appear to be one of the 'Illuminati' heads. Some dudes feel every thing about pro sports is fixed by the Illuminati.

Generally, those people root for teams who can't buy a championship ring.

But, I don't disagree.
 
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo

and Shaq won one too.

However, those guys should have won more together and Kobe could have still sticked pickeup up two more later.

c/s

the worst thing said b4 shaq was traded was that they lost in the FINALS. they went to the fukin finals on the regular! had they been able to co-exist past 2004 who KNOWS how many championships they would've had.....crazy to even think about it. shaq could've retired as a laker and kobie still would've been leading the team. can u imagine how dope they would've been as a one/two punch those xtra years? if they really would've liked each other and been good friends on and off the court? dayum..............:smh:
 
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You dudes need to read 'Mad Game' by Roland Lazenby.

You will quickly find out why Kobe and Shaq couldn't work...

...and it wasn't just because Kobe wanted to be 'the man'.

LA, and the pressure on that team to win was ridiculous. Shaq felt more pressure than anyone, to be honest. Because of that, Kobe going through his 'trying to prove myself' mode was driving dude insane.

Shaq did and said a lot of really fucked up shit to Kobe. If you read that book, while you may not agree with it, you will at least be able to to understand why Kobe would say the shit he said to the cops in Colorado. :lol::lol:

There is REAL hatred between those dudes.
 
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Ok, well ...

...you don't appear to be one of the 'Illuminati' heads. Some dudes feel every thing about pro sports is fixed by the Illuminati.

Generally, those people root for teams who can't buy a championship ring.

But, I don't disagree.

nah im not but at the same time im not trusting totally.

some calls are just full of shit
and when you string full of shit calls together against 1 team the game becomes full of shit.

it happens. also timing of calls matter too.

if you make a bad call in the 1st quarter its not the same as in the 4th with 2 seconds left so don't point to early calls

don't point to early free throws

don't point to early anything

anything you have ample time to make up for is moot.

its the last 2 minutes that shape the game if its close. and if in the last 2 minutes they go 1 way... then it's bullshit and needs to be called.
 
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c/s

the worst thing said b4 shaq was traded was that they lost in the FINALS. they went to the fukin finals on the regular! had they been able to co-exist past 2004 who KNOWS how many championships they would've had.....crazy to even think about it. shaq could've retired as a laker and kobie still would've been leading the team. can u imagine how dope they would've been as a one/two punch those xtra years? if they really would've liked each other and been good friends on and off the court? dayum..............:smh:

Yep. And it was very clear Shaq was comfortable finishing his career in a supporting role because he did it his last few years.

Kobe just wanted to take over too soon.
 
Re: As the Lakers prepare to retire Shaq's jersey, Kobe now appreciates his former fo

and Shaq won one too.

However, those guys should have won more together and Kobe could have still sticked pickeup up two more later.
Two is greater than "one, too." Kobe didn't feel he needed to put up with the bullshit between the two of them to get more chips than Shaq, without Shaq... and he was correct. Dr Buss made the call after Shag gave him the "he goes or I go" ultimatum. he too thought he could get more rings without Shaq than without Kobe... he too was correct. As MJ would say, two more beats one more every time.
 
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