Iol. I know both LBJ and Wade are and have always been better defenders than Kobe. Just thought Kobe was elite at some point in his career. I remember when he said his goal was to be DPOY.
I will take LEBRON JAMES over in his PRIME over
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Iol. I know both LBJ and Wade are and have always been better defenders than Kobe. Just thought Kobe was elite at some point in his career. I remember when he said his goal was to be DPOY.
I don't doubt that Kobe "could" have been a better defensive player. I just don't think he's cared so much about it most of the times. He just sleeps too much on defense. I think he very consciously saves all his energy for the offensive end.
Kobe has had moments or stretches of excellent defensive play stretched out over the course of his career.
However, it's clear that his primary interest - perhaps only interest - is scoring...
....or maybe even shooting.
if you don't get your ass out of here with that bullshit.
this is why its hard to take some of you seriously
he just had a game where he went 9-11 and had 30 points
and he hit no parts of n 3's
so how did he get that many points? oh yea the free throw line.
lebron has flopped before and does flop at times
i am not calling him a flopper the only true flopper on your squad is chalmers
but to act like the fear was because of the whistle? get the fuck out of here.
they don't fear lebron because nobody looks at him like an assassin right or wrong that's not how they look at him and its ss simple as that.
trying to say the fear was cause of the whistle?
Kobe is scary on defense when he wants to be
they gave that to kobe like they gave greg maddux gold gloves
sure he did show flashes but overall every year? kind of didn't really do much to get it
he's interested in doing whatever he wants to do which changes from time to time
if you don't get your ass out of here with that bullshit.
this is why its hard to take some of you seriously
he just had a game where he went 9-11 and had 30 points
and he hit no parts of n 3's
so how did he get that many points? oh yea the free throw line.
lebron has flopped before and does flop at times
i am not calling him a flopper the only true flopper on your squad is chalmers
but to act like the fear was because of the whistle? get the fuck out of here.
they don't fear lebron because nobody looks at him like an assassin right or wrong that's not how they look at him and its ss simple as that.
trying to say the fear was cause of the whistle?
Your emotional outburst suggest your feelings are hurt
My bad bro
Your emotional outburst suggest your feelings are hurt
My bad bro
cut the kid shit. that's something you reserve for people who don't actively discuss sports like i do.
there was nothing emotional about it. it was pointing out how wrong you were.
address it, dispute it, that response wasn't something that i'd expect from you.
Yeah your mad
Relax
And niggas was floppin way before Lebron..
Kobe was an active member of the floppin club so stop with that brand new shit u spewing
Anthony turn the Nuggets around in a tougher conference and to me played better than LBJ but everyone knew who was gonna win it before the 1st game of the season. You threw Paul in like that was something to brag about but he did use to bust LBJ ass before getting old. If his defense is even average give a name..... O yeah he did shut Ibaka down last year
he's interested in doing whatever he wants to do which changes from time to time
This is why you can't say ANY of these dudes are on MJ's level.
SURE, both Kobe and Lebron have done things Jordan haven't done...
...but over the course of a career? GTFOH.
Lebron is said to be more all-around, but Jordan has had a season of 32ppg and 8rbs and 8asts. Lebron has not done those numbers yet, especially not the PPG with the assists and rebounds. He's gotten close...
...but no cigar.
Jordan has had two seasons of over 120 blocks and multiple seasons where he has averaged more than 2.5 steals per game.
Lebron has never averaged 2.5 steals, and has yet to crack 100 blocks.
I COULD run down why Kobe isn't on Jordan's level, but that has been done a million times as Kobe has been the 'next Jordan' for well over a decade'.
The NBA is trying to make that 10 billion dollars or more like they did off Mike, and they don't care who they have to overrate to do it.
None of these niggas fucking with MJ.
irritated with your mad and emotional claims is more like it.
i kind of lightweight expected a little more from you in the side of basketball discussion instead of bgol tactics 101
it's all good
this thread ain't about kobe. and if you read my post i made it clear that i wasn't calling him a flopper.
What makes jordan jordan and everyone else everyone else has been a combination of overall talent combined with his will and desire to win and be the best.
lebron is kind of close in skill
but jordan wins in every other category
Kobe is scary on defense when he wants to be
yeah..if the mofo only wanted to be...
Kobe has been a lot of things but flopper has NOT been one of them. He has gone on the record saying he doesn't take charges or even jump in front of moving trains period.... so he doesn't even get very many opportunities to flop.
I think that's Kobe's slot.
Lebron is close in dominance and efficiency. I just saw Lebron say the other night that he doesn't have a 'go to' move. Lebron is a freak of nature, who has a very high basketball IQ. Not saying he DOESN'T have SKILL...
...but his physical ability and IQ are his greatest assets.
irritated with your mad and emotional claims is more like it.
i kind of lightweight expected a little more from you in the side of basketball discussion instead of bgol tactics 101
it's all good
this thread ain't about kobe. and if you read my post i made it clear that i wasn't calling him a flopper.
How am I irrational again? Projecting much?
Foh you came at me with a long ass rant
And yes this ain't about froby
Its bout u saying bron a flopper
But again he ain't that bad
Compared to mofos like Evans Paul and half them niggas on the clippers
Buy let's be clear Jordan did his fair share, Reggie Miller was somewhere else wit that shit etc
This new gen only learned from the past era of NBA players
part of that is his coach not allowing him to utilize his best assets
i think kobe is very skilled as well. kobe's will is misplaced at times
Will or skill?
If you mean will, to me Kobe is one of the most ambitious athletes ever. Dude clearly has a tremendous desire to be the best. Haven't seen that desire in anyone since Jordan. Not to THAT extent.
At the same time, he has this weird thing that makes him take the most difficult shots on a consistent basis. Also, he takes a lot of risks which results in a lot of turnovers.
I know Kobe knows better, because in these recent games when he needs his shots to fall, dude goes in the post, and only shoot high percentage shots. When he goes back to firing off fall-aways from yonder place, well... his shooting percentage drops considerably.
My friend - a Jordan STAN like Kobe - thinks that Kobe is subconsciously trying to one-up Jordan by taking so many tough shots, and is not very fond of high percentage shots, because they don't PROVE anything. My friend knows this because this is the way he's always played the game, and watching Jordan highlights inspired him to play that way.
i believe i said irritated and said nothing about you being irrational, nothing at all so maybe a Freudian slip on your part?
again you ain't reading
i said he has flopped i said he is not a flopper and made that clear in the post. and called out the only flopper on your team...chalmers.who cares about the clippers my name isn't 2 one 3
difference is, the old generation used to really get hit so that lends itself to the whistle and assumption that they did actually get mugged.
will, his skill isn't misplaced
his will is. his desire.
if he desired to win more he'd do what he had been doing when he was distributing during that recent stretch...his entire career. he's capable he just simply doesn't want to do it. which is why he get knocked by me so much. if he couldn't do it it'd be one thing. him not doing it for what can only be attributed to selfish reasons is the problem.
he's won while playing basketball his way on his terms
however if he played it the "right" way he probably has 8 rings right now
This nigga is really saying Jordan flopped...
How do you have such a horrible memory when you're one of the older cats talking basketball.
Jordan never flopped? Never?
Go watch some tape against the pacers
i believe i said irritated and said nothing about you being irrational, nothing at all so maybe a Freudian slip on your part?
again you ain't reading
who cares about the clippers my name isn't 2 one 3
difference is, the old generation used to really get hit so that lends itself to the whistle and assumption that they did actually get mugged.
Don't matter shit was the art of working the refs
Niggas use any advantage to win
Flopping was apart of it
I think this is why he just changed. In his mind, it has to be something else, 'cause he has five rings playing the way he played.
I STILL attribute it to a laxed effort by Kobe's teammates because they weren't getting the ball. If you look at the Lakers defensive ranking in the NBA, there is a correlation between that and how well the team does. Even when Kobe chucks - which he's always done - the team ranks high in PPG, but the opponents/PPG seems to be the determining factor in how many games they win.
I guess motherfuckers said this year, 'If I ain't getting the ball, I ain't playing defense either."
which lebron uses also.
there is a such thing as unbiased opinion. i'm not against lebron.
but lebron is not jordan. that's just what it is.
lebron is the best player in the nba
kevin durant is #2
when bron is done with his prime
durant will be entering his.
we're going to enjoy good basketball for years to come.
c/s
I think this is why he just changed. In his mind, it has to be something else, 'cause he has five rings playing the way he played.
I STILL attribute it to a laxed effort by Kobe's teammates because they weren't getting the ball. If you look at the Lakers defensive ranking in the NBA, there is a correlation between that and how well the team does. Even when Kobe chucks - which he's always done - the team ranks high in PPG, but the opponents/PPG seems to be the determining factor in how many games they win.
I guess motherfuckers said this year, 'If I ain't getting the ball, I ain't playing defense either."
well the lakers have no defense because they fired mike brown period.
you can change the offense to something else that's easy
getting a team to play defense is something else entirely.
even when you were losing your defense was better and you were in those games.
dantoni does not preach defense.
amare said this is the 1st year he's had to learn defense in his entire nba career
who did he play for in pretty much all of it?
and phil is a defensive coach
as much as people talk about the triangle offense
what phil jackson coached team do you know that didn't play excellent defense?
Bro who gives a fuck what you think...
Bron has flopped..D. Wade has flopped...Bosh has flopped
Just like CP3 & Blake were floppers in the past as well.
Michael never flopped.
If I'm wrong. Prove it.
Bron has flopped..D. Wade has flopped...Bosh has flopped
Just like CP3 & Blake were floppers in the past as well.
Michael never flopped.
If I'm wrong. Prove it.
I'm not the one here comparing Bron to Mike
But niggas in here on some dismissive shit like rings is the end all be all
horry got 7 rings and that nigga ain't worth a damn lol
I always said if u going to compare Lebron compare him to Magic
Bro who gives a fuck what you think...
Bron has flopped..D. Wade has flopped...Bosh has flopped
Just like CP3 & Blake were floppers in the past as well.
Michael never flopped.
If I'm wrong. Prove it.
Obviously u give a fuck since u came in here like a moist bitch nigga quoting me.. Foh and stop trolling this thread
When Mike and Reggie played against each other both then niggas was doing their damnest to get fouls and both were floppin Reggie more so than Jordan
Obviously u was too young or wasn't even born yet to see those games
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