~--~Official 2012 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread~--~

[M.H.C.]

hey killa remember when you said no one care about the NBA

Past season. Monster Ratings
Shoot people are intensely following summer league ball.
NBA draft drew major interest

THIS THREAD IS 73 pages deep. AN OFFSEASON THREAD

Hating Lebron was good for the league.

I don't think the Lebron Hate was the main reason for the success. The NBA was exciting this year because of the storylines. The Jeremy Lin's, The Gerald Green's, The Javale McGee's, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, OKC rise to prominence, etc. The quality of ball was lacking due to injuries and lack of prep but still it was fun to watch.

If people went off of popular BGOL opinion, then nobody would watch the NBA because everybody here seems to think that it's useless for any other team to step on the court because Miami is going to win it all. FUCK OUTTA HERE. I'm so glad that Lebron finally got his ring and i'm so excited for this NBA season. It looks to be a competitive exciting year.

 

[vandamation]

born?

who gives a fuck where you came out ya momma pussy at?

niggas can be born in germany on us soil.

MIKE from chicago or NC

he def not claming weak ass brooklyn

don't make me mad nigga

wade grew up in chicago.

mike raised his family in chicago

his career is in chicago

his family is still in chicago.


u brooklyn niggas is not ever gonna claim jordan.

does he come there to talk?

does he has a highschool named after him?

yall niggas not serious, yea yall just fuckin wit me.

Listen... No matter how you rationalize it... MIKE IS FROM NYC... DEAL WITH IT...
NIGGA FACE IT... The two GREATEST MUTHAFUCKAS TO EVER STEP FOOT IN THE CHI... COME FROM BROOKLYN...
Al CAPONE... and MICHAEL JORDAN...
AND... THE GREATEST COACH CHICAGO EVER HAD... IS A NEW YORK KNICK...

Fuck where his kids were raised... or what school is named after him... All that means is... A nigga from Brooklyn got kids in chicago and that there's a school named after a Brooklyn nigga in Chi-Town...

You lay claim to your own... and SO DO I, Jo... ON LARRY and KING DAVID...

 

[BLACKLOOP]

Listen... No matter how you rationalize it... MIKE IS FROM NYC... DEAL WITH IT...
NIGGA FACE IT... The two GREATEST MUTHAFUCKAS TO EVER STEP FOOT IN THE CHI... COME FROM BROOKLYN...
Al CAPONE... and MICHAEL JORDAN...
AND... THE GREATEST COACH CHICAGO EVER HAD... IS A NEW YORK KNICK...

Fuck where his kids were raised... or what school is named after him... All that means is... A nigga from Brooklyn got kids in chicago and that there's a school named after a Brooklyn nigga in Chi-Town...

You lay claim to your own... and SO DO I, Jo... ON LARRY and KING DAVID...

Buuuuurrrrrrrrrnnnnbb

Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk

 

[BDR]

Listen... No matter how you rationalize it... MIKE IS FROM NYC... DEAL WITH IT...
NIGGA FACE IT... The two GREATEST MUTHAFUCKAS TO EVER STEP FOOT IN THE CHI... COME FROM BROOKLYN...
Al CAPONE... and MICHAEL JORDAN...
AND... THE GREATEST COACH CHICAGO EVER HAD... IS A NEW YORK KNICK...

Fuck where his kids were raised... or what school is named after him... All that means is... A nigga from Brooklyn got kids in chicago and that there's a school named after a Brooklyn nigga in Chi-Town...

You lay claim to your own... and SO DO I, Jo... ON LARRY and KING DAVID...

Let me guess shady talking that wild shit again huh?

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

Listen... No matter how you rationalize it... MIKE IS FROM NYC... DEAL WITH IT...
NIGGA FACE IT... The two GREATEST MUTHAFUCKAS TO EVER STEP FOOT IN THE CHI... COME FROM BROOKLYN...
Al CAPONE... and MICHAEL JORDAN...
AND... THE GREATEST COACH CHICAGO EVER HAD... IS A NEW YORK KNICK...

Fuck where his kids were raised... or what school is named after him... All that means is... A nigga from Brooklyn got kids in chicago and that there's a school named after a Brooklyn nigga in Chi-Town...

You lay claim to your own... and SO DO I, Jo... ON LARRY and KING DAVID...

 

[curryshotta]

I don't think the Lebron Hate was the main reason for the success. The NBA was exciting this year because of the storylines. The Jeremy Lin's, The Gerald Green's, The Javale McGee's, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, OKC rise to prominence, etc. The quality of ball was lacking due to injuries and lack of prep but still it was fun to watch.

If people went off of popular BGOL opinion, then nobody would watch the NBA because everybody here seems to think that it's useless for any other team to step on the court because Miami is going to win it all. FUCK OUTTA HERE. I'm so glad that Lebron finally got his ring and i'm so excited for this NBA season. It looks to be a competitive exciting year.

Yes that is all fine and good

Note I did not say anything about the Miami Heat specifically. Lets face it the fact that there was a media maelstrom depicting Lebron as Lucifer was a LARGE COMPONENT in why people were watching basketball. SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE WHO WATCHED TO ROOT against him.

Everything they did came under a microscope. Having a villain helped ratings.

I am not suggesting that other factors did not play a part in the league getting back into favor. But the incessant braying, selective amnesia and hypocrisy of the media for the last two seasons surrounding the heat has been good for the NBA.

 

[Mask]

Five ways Jordan Hill's return helps the Lakers
By Mark Medina

Below are five ways Jordan Hill's return to the Lakers significantly helps the team's bench.

1. The job of the Lakers' front office becomes easier.By securing Hill with a two-year deal for around $7 million, the Lakers' quest to upgrade their bench becomes a lot easier. The Lakers could offer such a contract partly because they own Hill's "Bird Rights." But they had hoped to acquire every other reserve at the veteran's minimum. Such constraints would've made it nearly impossible to find another forward with a skill set similar to Hill's.

The Lakers are probably far from finished with changing their bench, considering they're not expected to re-sign Matt Barnes and Troy Murphy. But with Antawn Jamison and Hill locked up, the Lakers already made two crucial signings without having to bite deeply into their finances.

2. Energy. The Lakers don't need to worry about calling Hill's number. He displayed the mind-set the Lakers want bench players to have. He made himself valuable by hustling for loose balls, owning the glass (4.8 rebounds per game) and providing a physical presence.

Such a mind-set should rub off on his teammates. It will increase the likelihood that the Lakers can make defensive stops and convert them into transition baskets. That will make it more likely that the starters won't have to come in to regain a blown lead or overcome a double-digit deficit.

3. Frontcourt depth. The Lakers' haven't fully used their size advantage in recent seasons, partly because they lacked depth. Hill's presence partly mitigates that. It gives the Lakers some relief should Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol suffer an injury or need to rest. With Hill able to play at center and power forward, Coach Mike Brown also has more flexibility in figuring out combinations.

4. Long-term investment. Hill's skill set still remains somewhat raw. He hasn't fully grasped Brown's offense. His defense reflected effort more than knowledge of the schemes. But consider: Hill is 25 and spent his first month with the Lakers rehabbing an MCL sprain in his right knee.

Hill can mitigate his weaknesses in his post moves and jumper in numerous ways. Steve Nash's presence will probably make it easier for Hill to receive open looks (as it will for everyone). More practice time going against the Lakers' bigs should further develop Hill's game. More knowledge of Brown's system will help him to avoid relying solely on energy and hustle.

5. Hill's presence lessens the Lakers' pain. Many, including yours truly, didn't like the Lakers' trading Derek Fisher and a first-round pick to the Houston Rockets, for a variety of reasons. The move amounted to a salary dump, relative pennies considering Fisher was slated to make only $3.4 million next season. The Lakers lost a coveted chance to add a first-round pick. Even if Fisher had played a reduced role, his leadership could've played a large part in keeping the locker room together and keeping Bynum in line.

Absolutely no one anticipated that Hill would make a contribution on the Lakers. That is, until Brown randomly inserted him into the lineup April 22 against Oklahoma City, where he posted 14 points and 15 rebounds. So it's a stretch to say the Lakers' front office was able to predict all of this. Still, the move gave them a legitimate backup frontcourt player, something the Lakers have lacked in recent seasons. It may not have been more valuable than a first-round pick or Fisher's locker-room presence, but it's still a valuable piece.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Yes that is all fine and good

Note I did not say anything about the Miami Heat specifically. Lets face it the fact that there was a media maelstrom depicting Lebron as Lucifer was a LARGE COMPONENT in why people were watching basketball. SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE WHO WATCHED TO ROOT against him.

Everything they did came under a microscope. Having a villain helped ratings.

I am not suggesting that other factors did not play a part in the league getting back into favor. But the incessant braying, selective amnesia and hypocrisy of the media for the last two seasons surrounding the heat has been good for the NBA.

I agree with everything except the bolded portion. Whenever I went to ESPN.com or any other "reputable" sports page the majority of the writers with jumping on ANYONE that didn't side with LeBron. Yeah, there was some haters and you weren't going to sway diehard Cavs fans, but there were people who were just fans of an opposing team who happened to be playing the Heat and dickheads like Brian Windhorst was trying to tell people that they were wrong for it. They fueled most of the hate.

 

[Better]

Listen... No matter how you rationalize it... MIKE IS FROM NYC... DEAL WITH IT...
NIGGA FACE IT... The two GREATEST MUTHAFUCKAS TO EVER STEP FOOT IN THE CHI... COME FROM BROOKLYN...
Al CAPONE... and MICHAEL JORDAN...
AND... THE GREATEST COACH CHICAGO EVER HAD... IS A NEW YORK KNICK...

Fuck where his kids were raised... or what school is named after him... All that means is... A nigga from Brooklyn got kids in chicago and that there's a school named after a Brooklyn nigga in Chi-Town...

You lay claim to your own... and SO DO I, Jo... ON LARRY and KING DAVID...

Wait, so I can claim to be a New Yorker too?

I spent my first YEAR on earth on in Brooklyn.

Heh.

I will probably just not do that.

 

[Complex]

I was reading that trying to re-sign Hill was actually how the Lakers got Nash. They share the same agent, and they got to talking about Steve and since Phoenix didn't show any real interest that's how that came to fruition.

 

[vandamation]

Wait, so I can claim to be a New Yorker too?

I spent my first YEAR on earth on in Brooklyn.

Heh.

I will probably just not do that.

It's no different than Kyrie Irving being born in Australia....
Your birthplace is your birthplace... and it allows you to be called... One of theirs...
So if Kyrie Irving can legitimately be called an Australian... Then you can be called a New Yorker... if you choose to...

Besides, I have a way more legitimate claim of calling MJ a New Yorker than Shaddy has of claiming KG... You can't compare a birthplace to ONE YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL...

 

[D-TOWN REP]

still some solid players out there but the money had dried up on them

teams will now get bargains

 

[M.H.C.]

still some solid players out there but the money had dried up on them

teams will now get bargains

Nate Robinson is still on the market.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Nate Robinson is still on the market.

Carl Landry
Gilbert Arenas
Tracy McGrady
Leandro Barbosa
Matt Barnes
Nate Robinson
Ben Wallace
Jodie Meeks
Andray Blatche
Anthony Tolliver
Carlos Delfino
Mickael Pietrus
Kenyon Martin
Josh Howard
CJ Miles

and more I just got those names from an article on espn/dallas

most of those dudes are going to have to sign for minimum contracts or deals for 2 or 3 mill

 

[conspiracy Bro]

Carl Landry
Gilbert Arenas
Tracy McGrady
Leandro Barbosa
Matt Barnes
Nate Robinson
Ben Wallace
Jodie Meeks
Andray Blatche
Anthony Tolliver
Carlos Delfino
Mickael Pietrus
Kenyon Martin
Josh Howard
CJ Miles

and more I just got those names from an article on espn/dallas

most of those dudes are going to have to sign for minimum contracts or deals for 2 or 3 mill

I think 1 of these guys will be in NY for the knicks maybe 2

 

[D-TOWN REP]

I think 1 of these guys will be in NY for the knicks maybe 2

any of those swingmen outside of tmac and arenas(both out of thier prime) would be good moves

 

[vandamation]

I think 1 of these guys will be in NY for the knicks maybe 2

I'll take Pietrus... and Blatche...

 

[conspiracy Bro]

any of those swingmen outside of tmac and arenas(both out of thier prime) would be good moves

I was thinking more Kenyon Martin more than anything else.

 

[THE DRIZZY]

Bulls need to take a look at Blatche, Josh Howard, and Matt Barnes. Anyone one of them would be a good look.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

I was thinking more Kenyon Martin more than anything else.

yeah a backup bigman rotation of Martin, Camby, and Thomas would be good

I know there wil be age jokes but all of those dudes can still play enough to be solid backups

 

[Complex]

Lakers are looking at Meeks

Michael Redd's available also

 

[Mask]

Yea they been talking to Meeks, a solid back up to Kobe would seal a nice lineup.

 

[daking181]

I don't think the Lebron Hate was the main reason for the success. The NBA was exciting this year because of the storylines. The Jeremy Lin's, The Gerald Green's, The Javale McGee's, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, OKC rise to prominence, etc. The quality of ball was lacking due to injuries and lack of prep but still it was fun to watch.

If people went off of popular BGOL opinion, then nobody would watch the NBA because everybody here seems to think that it's useless for any other team to step on the court because Miami is going to win it all. FUCK OUTTA HERE. I'm so glad that Lebron finally got his ring and i'm so excited for this NBA season. It looks to be a competitive exciting year.

what did he do

 

[conspiracy Bro]

Yea they been talking to Meeks, a solid back up to Kobe would seal a nice lineup.

meeks would be a good look for the lakers

 

[monsterman]

It's no different than Kyrie Irving being born in Australia....
Your birthplace is your birthplace... and it allows you to be called... One of theirs...
So if Kyrie Irving can legitimately be called an Australian... Then you can be called a New Yorker... if you choose to...

Besides, I have a way more legitimate claim of calling MJ a New Yorker than Shaddy has of claiming KG... You can't compare a birthplace to ONE YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL...

Has MJ ever repped NY?

 

[vandamation]

Has MJ ever repped NY?

To answer your question...



AND...

A Queens dude MADE THE BEAT...

 

[cli-terminator]

Carl Landry
Gilbert Arenas
Tracy McGrady
Leandro Barbosa
Matt Barnes
Nate Robinson
Ben Wallace
Jodie Meeks
Andray Blatche
Anthony Tolliver
Carlos Delfino
Mickael Pietrus
Kenyon Martin
Josh Howard
CJ Miles

and more I just got those names from an article on espn/dallas

most of those dudes are going to have to sign for minimum contracts or deals for 2 or 3 mill

Bring Pietrus & Martin to the Knicks

 

[Complex]

what did he do

Have a almost weekly entertaining bonehead highlight

 

[KingAddies]

Wish the Heat would pick up this kid. Jordan Crawford - the kid who dunked on Lebron at Nike B-ball camp.
Pretty nice for a near-rookie and outscored Lebron.

At the very least Chalmers won't be the only getting fussed out on camera.

 

[Mask]

Ira Winderman Per NBA: A record 39 NBA players will be featured on national team rosters for the basketball tournament at the 2012 Olympic Games, up from 28 in 2008.


Al Iannazzone
Here are the NBA players in the 2012 London Olympics:

USA: Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Tyson Chandler, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Andre Iguodala, LeBron James, Kevin Love, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams

France: Nicolas Batum, Nando de Colo, Boris Diaw, Tony Parker, Kevin Seraphin, Ronny Turiaf

Spain: Jose Calderon, Victor Claver, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Argentina: Carlos Delfino, Manu Ginobili, Pablo Prigioni, Luis Scola

Brazil: Leandro Barbosa, Nene Hilario, Tiago Splitter, Anderson Varejao

Great Britain: Luol Deng, Joel Freeland

Lithuania: Linas Kleiza, Jonas Valanciunas

Australia: Patrick Mills

China: Yi Jianlian

Nigeria: Al Farouq Aminu

Russia: Timofey Mozgov

 

[Mask]

was this done right




The Celtics have paid to play...

The Boston Celtics will enjoy their lowest luxury tax payment since the start of the Big Three era next season. But don’t misconstrue: The Celtics keenly managed the cap this summer in order to produce the most competitive roster possible and this team has never been afraid to spend.

By staying within the luxury tax apron ($4 million over the $70.3 million tax threshold), the Celtics were able to utilize the full value of the midlevel exception ($5 million) this offseason. That allowed them to lock up Jason Terry early in the free agency process, helping to offset the eventual loss of Ray Allen. By utilizing the full midlevel, the Celtics were essentially hard-capped at $74.3 million this season, meaning their dollar-for-dollar tax bill next year won’t exceed $4 million.

For a team that’s paid $44.5 million in luxury tax penalties over the past five seasons, that’s a nice break. Boston paid a whopping $14.9 million in luxury tax during the 2009-10 campaign and $7.4 million last year.

But a smaller bill shouldn’t be viewed as less of a commitment to winning. The Celtics haven’t been afraid to spend in a league in which others have often been reluctant.

Earlier this week, ShamSports.com released a fascinating glimpse at the history of luxury tax payments since its inception during the 2001-02 season. Only four teams have paid more in luxury tax than the Celtics: the Mavericks (deep-pocked owner Mark Cuban hasn’t been afraid to build a competitor), Lakers (Kobe Bryant’s contract alone practically ensures they’ll always be in the tax), Knicks (paying for their own mistakes), and Blazers (Portland paid $80 million in the first two years of the tax with a bloated salary, but has spent only $8.2 million since).

As ShamSports pointed out, there are seven teams -- nearly a quarter of the league -- that have yet to pay the tax in the Bobcats, Bulls, Warriors, Clippers, Hornets, Sonics/Thunder, and Wizards. For teams that wish to stay competitive, like Chicago and Oklahoma City, avoiding that tax will be hard to do moving forward.

The Celtics, meanwhile, are one of only three teams (Mavericks and Lakers the others) to pay the luxury tax in each of the past five seasons. That commitment to spending could leave Boston exposed to new “repeater” penalties that will be introduced during the 2014-15 season, driving up how much ownership will have to pay in order to allow the team to climb above the threshold.

Before that, tax rates will climb next season and teams will now be subject to incremental rates. For instance, instead of paying a $7.4 million bill last season under the current dollar-for-dollar tax, the Celtics would have paid $9.2 million (a $7.5 million incremental maximum for the first $5 million spent, then $4.2 million for the remaining $2.4 million at a $1.75 tax rate).

The repeater rate will have teams like the Celtics paying even higher rates by 2014-15, when the incremental penalties start at $2.50 per dollar spent (and rise from there). This will further discourage teams from going above the cap, putting an even greater premium on cap management. It will also put a renewed focus on ownership that is willing to spend in order to get the parts necessary to win.

For the Celtics, being successful goes beyond the talent on the floor. It means having good coaching, smart front office people, and open-minded ownership. It all goes hand in hand.

Coach Doc Rivers has been a primary recruiter for the team this offseason as his sales pitches helped lure both Terry and Courtney Lee to Boston. The front office figured out creative ways to get both on the payroll at $5 million starting salaries.

As Ainge noted earlier this offseason: “I’m grateful for my staff -- [assistant general managers] Mike Zarren… [and] Ryan McDonough, and [director of player personnel] Austin Ainge do a great job of helping us. And we're in constant communication with players around the league and we have great ownership that gives us support and gives us an opportunity to build a team.”

The Celtics signed many of their players to long-term deals this offseason and are already committed to roughly $70 million for their top 10 scheduled-to-return players in 2013-14. That means they'll be in the tax again and it might not be as easy to stay within the apron this time around, meaning the tax bill could jump up again.

In the NBA, it's the cost of winning and the Celtics have been willing to pay it.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

niggas leave new york and become instantly better.

and lol

even phill didn't want to coach ya clusterfuck of a squad

 

[D-TOWN REP]

was this done right




The Celtics have paid to play...

The Boston Celtics will enjoy their lowest luxury tax payment since the start of the Big Three era next season. But don’t misconstrue: The Celtics keenly managed the cap this summer in order to produce the most competitive roster possible and this team has never been afraid to spend.

By staying within the luxury tax apron ($4 million over the $70.3 million tax threshold), the Celtics were able to utilize the full value of the midlevel exception ($5 million) this offseason. That allowed them to lock up Jason Terry early in the free agency process, helping to offset the eventual loss of Ray Allen. By utilizing the full midlevel, the Celtics were essentially hard-capped at $74.3 million this season, meaning their dollar-for-dollar tax bill next year won’t exceed $4 million.

For a team that’s paid $44.5 million in luxury tax penalties over the past five seasons, that’s a nice break. Boston paid a whopping $14.9 million in luxury tax during the 2009-10 campaign and $7.4 million last year.

But a smaller bill shouldn’t be viewed as less of a commitment to winning. The Celtics haven’t been afraid to spend in a league in which others have often been reluctant.

Earlier this week, ShamSports.com released a fascinating glimpse at the history of luxury tax payments since its inception during the 2001-02 season. Only four teams have paid more in luxury tax than the Celtics: the Mavericks (deep-pocked owner Mark Cuban hasn’t been afraid to build a competitor), Lakers (Kobe Bryant’s contract alone practically ensures they’ll always be in the tax), Knicks (paying for their own mistakes), and Blazers (Portland paid $80 million in the first two years of the tax with a bloated salary, but has spent only $8.2 million since).

As ShamSports pointed out, there are seven teams -- nearly a quarter of the league -- that have yet to pay the tax in the Bobcats, Bulls, Warriors, Clippers, Hornets, Sonics/Thunder, and Wizards. For teams that wish to stay competitive, like Chicago and Oklahoma City, avoiding that tax will be hard to do moving forward.

The Celtics, meanwhile, are one of only three teams (Mavericks and Lakers the others) to pay the luxury tax in each of the past five seasons. That commitment to spending could leave Boston exposed to new “repeater” penalties that will be introduced during the 2014-15 season, driving up how much ownership will have to pay in order to allow the team to climb above the threshold.

Before that, tax rates will climb next season and teams will now be subject to incremental rates. For instance, instead of paying a $7.4 million bill last season under the current dollar-for-dollar tax, the Celtics would have paid $9.2 million (a $7.5 million incremental maximum for the first $5 million spent, then $4.2 million for the remaining $2.4 million at a $1.75 tax rate).

The repeater rate will have teams like the Celtics paying even higher rates by 2014-15, when the incremental penalties start at $2.50 per dollar spent (and rise from there). This will further discourage teams from going above the cap, putting an even greater premium on cap management. It will also put a renewed focus on ownership that is willing to spend in order to get the parts necessary to win.

For the Celtics, being successful goes beyond the talent on the floor. It means having good coaching, smart front office people, and open-minded ownership. It all goes hand in hand.

Coach Doc Rivers has been a primary recruiter for the team this offseason as his sales pitches helped lure both Terry and Courtney Lee to Boston. The front office figured out creative ways to get both on the payroll at $5 million starting salaries.

As Ainge noted earlier this offseason: “I’m grateful for my staff -- [assistant general managers] Mike Zarren… [and] Ryan McDonough, and [director of player personnel] Austin Ainge do a great job of helping us. And we're in constant communication with players around the league and we have great ownership that gives us support and gives us an opportunity to build a team.”

The Celtics signed many of their players to long-term deals this offseason and are already committed to roughly $70 million for their top 10 scheduled-to-return players in 2013-14. That means they'll be in the tax again and it might not be as easy to stay within the apron this time around, meaning the tax bill could jump up again.

In the NBA, it's the cost of winning and the Celtics have been willing to pay it.

its the NBA

you gotta pay to play

Cuban took a break from it until the dust settles

 

[vandamation]

niggas leave new york and become instantly better.

and lol

even phill didn't want to coach ya clusterfuck of a squad

It's doesn't matter...
Phil IS a Knick for life...
Niggas leave New York and make OTHER CITIES MORE VALID... True story...
MJ did in Chicago...
Kareem did it in L.A. and Milwaukee...
Red Auerbach and Bob Cousy did it in Boston...
Dr.J did it in Philly...

So, in other words... You should thank god for bringing New York's influences to your town...

 

[shaddyvillethug]

not really.

they got out of that shithole and never ever came back.

even PAT EWING is in orlando.

without the yankees....man....