~--~Official 2012 NBA Draft/Offseason Thread~--~

trade??? what is loop talking about now?

I think he meant Free Agent Signing. and yeah for the Vet minimum its a real solid pickup. In all likelihood I expect a lot of teams to make good solid pickups going forward in Free Agency. There are a lot of decent Free Agents who will have to take the minimum to stay in the NBA next year.

also had to post this cause its true.

Russ Bengtson ‏@russbengtson
The Bulls offseason: They basically did the Dwight Howard deal without getting Dwight Howard
 
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Marcus Thompson

It's looking like Warriors may miss out on Andrei Kirilenko and Carl Landry. Kirilenko wants $8M per in a new deal, according to Yahoo! Sports. That rules out GSW. Since Kirilenko played overseas last season, a sign-and-trade is not an option. Even if the Warriors were willing to go over luxury tax threshold and offer Kirilenko the mid-level exception, that still wouldn't be enough, not with T'wolves offering a deal starting at $8M. Landry, it seems, is going to get a larger offer elsewhere. (Charlotte can offer more than GSW.) He would like to play for the Warriors, but it's sounds unlikely he'd take less money to play for GSW. Landry's camp, no doubt, thinks the Warriors should go into the tax zone to give Landry closer to the midlevel. And the Warriors' refusal to do so, at this point, isn't exactly a vote of confidence for Landry.
 
Keyon Dooling agrees to one-year deal

http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/7/25/3186154/boston-celtics-daily-links-7-25
An NBA source confirmed Keyon Dooling has agreed to a one-year deal with the Celtics, according to Boston Globe reporter Gary Washburn.

Dooling has played for the Clippers, Heat, Magic, Nets, and Bucks. The Celtics acquired the guard from the Bucks in December 2011.

Last season, he played in 46 games for Boston, scoring 182 points and making 51 assists.
 
Andrei Kirilenko Finalizing 2-Year, $20 Million Contract With Timberwolves

By Mike Prada - NBA Contributor

The Minnesota Timberwolves are finalizing a two-year contract with Andrei Kirilenko, according to a report.

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Jul 25, 2012 - Having missed out on Portland Trail Blazers free agent Nicolas Batum, the Minnesota Timberwolves moved on to a surprising second choice. The Timberwolves are close to signing former Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko to a two-year, $20 million contract, according to Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. The second year is a player option.

Kirilenko last played in the NBA during the 2010-11 season. Last year, he starred for Russian power CSKA Moscow, and he exercised his buyout to return to the NBA. He will likely play at small forward for the Timberwolves next year, though he could also slide inside to be a power forward in some lineups.

The Timberwolves cleared away enough cap space to sign Kirilenko when they traded Wes Johnson and a first-round pick to the Phoenix Suns in a three-team deal. Johnson had been a disappointment since being picked with the No. 4 selection in the 2010 NBA Draft.
 
dont get this because they thought Iggy was to pricey, but paying this amount to AK47
 
Robin Lopez Traded To Hornets, Wes Johnson Dealt To Suns In 3-Team Deal



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Robin Lopez Traded To Hornets In 3-Team Deal, According To Report

After much speculation, a three-team deal that sends former Phoenix Suns center Robin Lopez to the New Orleans Hornets is nearing finalization, according to a report.

Speaking on anonymity because the move has not formally been announced and completed, a source tells the Associated Press that the deal will also include former Minnesota Timberwolves fourth overall pick Wesley Johnson to the Phoenix Suns, while the Hornets would send guard Jerome Dyson and the retiring Brad Miller's $5.1 million contract to the Wolves in an attempt to clear salary cap space.

The Suns are expected to also receive a lottery-protected first-round pick from the Timeberwolves and ship Hakim Warrick down to New Orleans.

For the Hornets, their efforts to get younger and more athletic are evident. Gone are Emeka Okafor and Chris Kaman, and in is an agile seven-footer in Lopez. Lopez should compliment the team's first overall pick, Anthony Davis, who is expected to be slotted into the power forward role due to his range on offense.

For the Timberwolves, they may finally have turned the corner as a team with a young nucleus and money to spend, as this move will give them space to perhaps bring in Andrei Kirelenko or have the luxury of pursuing a higher-priced player during next season's trade deadline or free agency period.
 
Cavaliers acquire Jeremy Pargo, draft pick in trade with Memphis for DJ. Kennedy




The Cleveland Cavaliers announced on Wednesday, July 25 they have acquired point guard Jeremy Pargo, the Memphis Grizzlies’ 2014 second round draft pick, and cash considerations from Memphis in exchange for guard/forward D.J. Kennedy.

Pargo appeared in 44 games with Memphis last season averaging 2.9 points and 1.3 rebounds in 9.7 minutes per game last season. He signed with Memphis as an undrafted free agent after spending a couple of seasons in the Israel Premier League.

Kennedy appeared in two games for the Cavaliers last season where he averaged 6.0 points, 3.5 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 29.5 minutes per game.

"Our approach remains consistent as we try to bring in young talent, create future opportunity with draft picks as potential assets and maintain flexibility,” said Cavaliers General Manager Chris Grant in an announcement from the Cleveland Clinic Courts. “Jeremy adds depth to our backcourt. He is a young, aggressive, athletic guard who we feel fits well with our style of play, both defensively and offensively. We look forward to welcoming him to Cleveland."



the cavs got a shitload of draft picks over the next few years atleast 9
 
Marshon Brooks set a record in summer league this week.

Yesterday he scored 47 points and the game before that 44 points. A total of 91 points in two games.

I'm keep it real if this kid becomes a scoring machine a certain will be looking really really reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly bad for my squad
 
Robin Lopez Traded To Hornets, Wes Johnson Dealt To Suns In 3-Team Deal



Original Story
Robin Lopez Traded To Hornets In 3-Team Deal, According To Report

After much speculation, a three-team deal that sends former Phoenix Suns center Robin Lopez to the New Orleans Hornets is nearing finalization, according to a report.

Speaking on anonymity because the move has not formally been announced and completed, a source tells the Associated Press that the deal will also include former Minnesota Timberwolves fourth overall pick Wesley Johnson to the Phoenix Suns, while the Hornets would send guard Jerome Dyson and the retiring Brad Miller's $5.1 million contract to the Wolves in an attempt to clear salary cap space.

The Suns are expected to also receive a lottery-protected first-round pick from the Timeberwolves and ship Hakim Warrick down to New Orleans.

For the Hornets, their efforts to get younger and more athletic are evident. Gone are Emeka Okafor and Chris Kaman, and in is an agile seven-footer in Lopez. Lopez should compliment the team's first overall pick, Anthony Davis, who is expected to be slotted into the power forward role due to his range on offense.

For the Timberwolves, they may finally have turned the corner as a team with a young nucleus and money to spend, as this move will give them space to perhaps bring in Andrei Kirelenko or have the luxury of pursuing a higher-priced player during next season's trade deadline or free agency period.

I guess they feel the need to add some more monochrome to their squad... :hmm:
 
I hope Carmelo breaks his fucking neck in the olympics

I hope Tysons spine gets fractured

Then let's see how u snicks do in the playoffs


Remember iman already has a torn up knee
 
I guess they try to please their fanbase of Minnesota CACs, similar to Utah, Indiana, and even the Mavs used to be full of CACs.
 
fam

u couldn't tell me after 3 years ago this nigga radmon still was playing.

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SMFH
 
[prediction]Nuggets got the West on lock.

Nuggets-Celtics Finals. Heat ain't making it.

Stern pissed at George Karl and Doc Rivers for fucking up Lakers-Heat, kills himself.


[/prediction]
 
Jerry Reinsdorf, the luxury tax and the '2014 plan'

by JayPatt on Jul 26, 2012 3:19 PM CDT

The luxury tax. For as long as its been in existence (since 2002-03), its been the bane of Jerry Reinsdorf's existence. He's said on multiple occasions that he would be willing to pay the tax for a "winner" (whatever that actually means), but to this point, those words have rung hollow.

The Bulls, of course, have never paid the luxury tax, despite playing in the league's third largest market and being one of the most profitable teams in the NBA over the past several decades. And according to Forbes (h/t to SB Nation Chicago's Ricky O'Donnell), they have been THE most profitable franchise in the NBA over the past five years, raking in an average of $55 million per season.

For a team bringing in those types of dollars, there's really no excuse not to be doing whatever you can to build a championship team. If that means chopping off a bit of that profit in order to pay the luxury tax, then suck it up and do it. And while spending freely and wildly isn't always the answer (just ask the New York Knicks), a competent management team should be able to spend those extra dollars wisely.



Unfortunately, to this point, the Bulls have never done that (they're in line to pay the tax next season, but more on that later). This makes them just one of seven teams to have never paid the tax in its history. Salary cap guru Mark Deeks of Sham Sports has painstakingly gone through all the data and put together a handy little spreadsheet to show just how much tax each franchise has paid throughout the years:

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Along with Chicago, we have Charlotte, Golden State, the Clippers, New Orleans, Oklahoma City/Seattle and Washington as the only other franchises that have never paid the tax. Several of those other teams should not be that surprising. Charlotte and New Orleans are two teams that probably could be contracted. Basketball in Seattle obviously floundered and the only reason the Thunder haven't paid the tax yet is because all of their young studs are just now getting their extensions. The Clippers have been a laughingstock for a long time and have probably the worst owner in the league. Golden State and Washington are a tad more interesting, because as Yahoo! Sports' Kelly Dwyer notes, the Warriors have been profitable despite being mostly bad and the Wizards have handed out some pretty monster deals in the past.

But again, there's really no excuse for the Bulls. They've fielded good to great teams in recent years, have brought in huge profits and still haven't paid the tax. All the while, Reinsdorf allows his other team, the Chicago White Sox, to spend pretty much however they please, despite consistently poor attendance numbers. As O'Donnell points out, the White Sox traded for $17 million per year Jake Peavy in 2010, while Peavy was still on the disabled list. Like O'Donnell, I find it hard to believe the Bulls would ever do something like that.

And this brings me to the tweet that was deleted from the official White Sox Twitter account a couple of days ago. I know it's been discussed some on this site already, but I figured I would make it more widely visible (again, h/t to O'Donnell):

James Fegan
@JRFegan

Is the Bulls account going to RT this? RT @whitesox:"Basketball is a game. Baseball is a religion. Baseball is American." - Jerry Reinsdo



If you need any explanation for the difference in approach regarding the Bulls and White Sox, you have it right here. If Reinsdorf truly said this and feels this way (he of course tried to backtrack somewhat), Bulls fans have every right to be enraged. It seems apparent that Reinsdorf's heart belongs to the White Sox, and if that's the case, he should sell his majority stake of the Bulls. Get somebody in here that will go that extra mile and spend a few extra million to put a better product out on the floor each and every season. The Bulls are a big market team with big market profits, and they should be run accordingly. But since Jerry is making bank off the Bulls, we know that won't happen.

This stuff stings extra hard right now because of the way this Bulls offseason has gone. The team has waved goodbye to nearly the entire Bench Mob, and has replaced them with guys that are cheaper (outside of Kirk Hinrich, who for some reason they overpaid, at least in my opinion) and arguably worse. I'm sure Tom Thibodeau will be able to squeeze out solid play from some of these new guys, but I'm not convinced the new bench will be as effective as the Bench Mob.

The whole approach of the offseason has left me scratching my head. From not buying into the second round on draft night, to letting go of the Bench Mob for essentially nothing, and then everything else in between, I'm none too pleased with how things have played out. I know that this upcoming season is a wash due to Derrick Rose's injury. I get that. But that doesn't mean GarPax shouldn't have been doing everything they could to improve the team, even if it didn't put them "over the top." The goal every offseason should be to improve the talent on the roster while maintaining as much flexibility as possible, and the Bulls didn't do that. Meanwhile, much of the competition has.

The Hinrich signing to me epitomizes the entire problem. Considering how quickly the two sides came to an agreement once free agency started, it was apparent that he was one of the Bulls' top free agent priorities. And I find that laughable. I have nothing against Kurt personally, but who makes a 31-year-old with recent injury problems their top priority? I would have been fine grabbing him at a cheaper price much later in the free agency process. Obviously the Bulls weren't. Younger (and better) guard options like Jerryd Bayless, Delonte West, O.J. Mayo and Courtney Lee to name a few were all available at relatively cheap prices, but the Bulls just had to have Hinrich. And they ended up paying nearly $8 million over two years for him rather than the $6 million that was first reported. So in that regard, I guess you can argue they actually weren't being cheap. Too bad they were just being dumb.

I'm sure the Bulls will make a big deal about how they're in line to pay the luxury tax for the first time ever next season. Of course, the tax isn't assessed until the end of the year, so a midseason deal could potentially get them back under the threshold. Also, while they're set to pay the tax, they "brilliantly" hard-capped themselves at $74.3 million thanks to their offseason maneuverings, something that could likely have been avoided. So if for some reason Dwight Howard changed his mind about Chicago, or if some other big trade option came along, it could be difficult for the Bulls to pull off because they will likely start the season pretty close to that hard cap.

All these moves have done is re-enforced the notion expressed by several Chicago journalists that the Bulls are operating with this magical "2014 plan" in mind, where the Bulls "tread water" for the next two seasons before making a big splash in the 2014 offseason. As most know by now, this plan involves the combination of Luol Deng's and Carlos Boozer's salaries coming off the books, plus Nikola Mirotic coming over from Spain. Theoretically, the Bulls will have a ton of cap space to work with in order to lure another star to Chicago (when has that ever worked?).

I've always thought this "plan" was ludicrous, because who simply wastes a year of Derrick Rose, who should be at or near 100% by the 2013-14 season. There should be a "2013 plan" in place, and maybe there is, but that's not what's being peddled to us right now.

And just how feasible is this "2014 plan" anyway?

Two esteemed members of the Bulls blogosphere, the aforementioned O'Donnell and also Doug Thonus, have attacked the "2014 plan" ferociously the past few days. In two separate posts, O'Donnell first went after the general approach in itself, and then followed that up by examining the likely free agent candidates in 2014. Many of the best guys like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh have ETO's (so does Amar'e Stoudemire, but whatever), and it's unlikely any of them will be going anywhere.

Then there's Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Pau Gasol and Zach Randolph, all guys who would have made sense a few years ago, but not in 2014, because they'll be old as hell. Rudy Gay would be an intriguing option, but he has a massive player option that I'm assuming he'd exercise. Once you get past those guys, the next best options are Danny Granger and...Luol Deng. How about that?

O'Donnell also mentions the possibility of some members of the 2010 draft class, such as Evan Turner and Paul George. But are the Bulls treading water for that? There would be mass outrage if the Bulls tried to sell this plan and then ended up throwing a ton of money at either of those guys, unless they made HUGE strides the next few seasons.

Both O'Donnell and Thonus point out that actually getting the cap space necessary for even a shot at a max-type player will not be as easy as some people are making it out to be. If the Bulls go into that offseason with Rose/Noah/Gibson/Butler/Teague/Mirotic/rookies, they likely won't have space for a max offer. They could certainly let go of Gibson or move Noah, but considering the options likely available to them, that could be foolish.

Basically, the "2014 plan" sucks, and people should be hesitant to buy into it. The Bulls have the resources every season to spend and put together as good a team as possible, but they don't always choose to do it. I for one wish they would try their damndest to get in on the Howard sweepstakes, because I don't think he'd actually leave, and if he did, the Bulls would have plenty of cap space in a nice 2013 free agent class.

But we know by now that the Bulls won't take that chance, and they appear content to be competitive the next few years (and they will be) before hoping for some magic in 2014. I sure hope that's not the planned approach, but I have no other reason to believe otherwise. And it shouldn't be that way.
 
Which team has paid the most luxury tax ever? Thanks Isiah.


Kurt Helin Jul 26, 2012, 3:30 PM EDT
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Part of the fight during the lockout was about the luxury tax — small market owners wanted to rein in the teams they saw as buying a title by just paying the luxury tax every year. They wanted a more punitive tax, and they got it, things get a lot steeper in 2014 (for example, the Lakers $16 million luxury tax bill this year would be $52 million in a couple years).

That talk leads to good questions: What teams are paying all that tax? Who has paid the most tax all-time?

Mark Deeks — the man behind the best NBA salary site on the Web, Shamsports.com — has your answer (hat tip to Ball Don’t Lie). He put together a spreadsheet looking at which teams have paid the most tax since its inception and… well, thanks again Isiah Thomas.

1. New York Knicks — $195,288,145
2. Dallas Mavericks — $150,530,433
3. Portland Trail Blazers — $89,052,474
4. Los Angeles Lakers — $84,417,253
5. Boston Celtics — $46,094,213

Some thoughts:

• So you can buy a title? The top three teams on that list have one in the luxury tax era. Yes, four and five won a bunch, but it shows that you have to spend smart, not just spend. This isn’t baseball.

• From BDL: Of the Blazers $89 million in tax, nearly $80 million of that came in the first two years of the tax. Paul Allen doesn’t spend like that anymore.

• Which teams have never paid the tax? The Chicago Bulls, for one. They will by a couple million next year for the first time, but not yet. And if you are a Bulls fans worried about management’s commitment to do what it takes to win, your concerns start right there.

Also on the no pay list: Charlotte, Golden State, the L.A.Clippers, New Orleans, Oklahoma City/Seattle, and Washington. For the Clippers and OKC that is going to change soon, well that or they will not win with these cores
 
Some knowledgeable folks weight in on the Heat accomplishment:



Herman Edwards impressed by how Erik Spoelstra “won the game”
July 19th, 2012 by Ethan J. Skolnick

Herman Edwards is an unabashed Lakers fan.

Still, the former New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs coach, who now works for ESPN, had high praise Thursday for what he’s seen from Heat coach Erik Spoelstra from afar.

“Fabulous job,” said Edwards, who is participating in the American Century Championship in Lake Tahoe. “Because he stayed true to himself. That’s the whole key when you deal with great athletes. They want a guy who is consistent, and they want a guy that stays true to himself. He didn’t get caught up in the pressure of coaching all these great athletes. I’m just doing my job, boys, now you do yours. Because there’s pressure on this guy to win, there’s no doubt about it. He’s sitting up there with Pat Riley, who I know personally. And that was Pat Riley’s guy, and Pat put him in position to, you know what, I’m gonna help this guy. And he was smart enough to know that, if I get in a jam, I can go to Pat.”

Edwards called managing personalities the most critical part of coaching — and believes Spoelstra’s effective management of LeBron James was demonstrated by the star buying into Spoelstra’s philosophy and serving team in any way it needed.

“Because no matter how great you are as a player, they want to be coached,” Edwards said. “They really do! They want to be coached, man. Even if they’re LeBron James. You look at Tiger Woods, one of the greatest players ever to play, he’s always tweaking something, switching something. LeBron James wants to be coached. They all want to be coached.”


Urban Meyer on the Heat: “I love that organization”
July 19th, 2012 by Ethan J. Skolnick

There aren’t many in Ohio who pull for the Miami Heat.

One of them, however, happens to be the coach of the state’s major university.

Urban Meyer, who is entering his first season at Ohio State, has become an admirer of the Heat organization, and its coach.

Meyer was one of the collegiate coaches — in basketball or football — that Erik Spoelstra consulted last offseason, an offseason that afforded him extra time due to the extended lockout. They shared a meal and Prime Italian, and Spoelstra spent much of it entering thoughts and notes on his IPad.

“I love that coach,” said Meyer, who is playing in the American Century Championship at Lake Tahoe this weekend. “He reached out to me, we’ve become friends. What him and that team did, I mean, against the haters, I was really proud of those guys.”

Their meeting?

“Well, I got more out of it than he did,” Meyer said. “He reached out to me, but the ability to deal with a star athlete is much harder than most people think. And at Florida, I had to deal with a bunch. Obviously, with the Heat, he’s dealing with a bunch. And the way he does it, I think is brilliant. And Pat Riley, the confidence he’s shown, I love that organization and how they handled that whole situation.”

Meyer has a connection to LeBron James, too, one that goes beyond James’ fondness for the Buckeyes.

“I offered him a scholarship when he was a sophomore in high school at St. Vincent St. Mary’s,” Meyer said. “I was at Notre Dame. He was a receiver, and I was a receiver’s coach.”

How good was he?

“Great.”

Steve Kerr on Heat: Next title run won’t be as stressful
July 20th, 2012 by Ethan J. Skolnick

Steve Kerr won five titles in the NBA, including three straight as a supporting player on Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls.

Now that LeBron James has broken through with the Heat, what does he see for Miami?

“Winning the second title was a lot easier than the first, because you have a deeper level of confidence,” said Kerr, now a TNT analyst, said from the American Century Championship in Lake Tahoe. “And the pressure’s off. Especially in Miami’s case. I mean, that burden that they had on their shoulders was so enormous. Now that that’s gone, I kind of think they are going to really relax and have an easier road emotionally. Now, you get to that third time, now you’re fried and it gets really tough. But that second one I think is easier.”

As for smallball?

“It’s kind of a trend these days,” Kerr said. “And I think it worked out for them, playing LeBron at the 4 in the playoffs. It almost happened by accident, with (Chris) Bosh’s injury. But the way the matchups turned out, it was perfect. Matchups are everything. If they happen to run into the Lakers, and Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum or whoever is playing for the Lakers, they’re going to have to have some help on that frontline. But I love what they’ve done, adding Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis as shooters. Their offense will be even better now.”
 
The Heat arent making it based on what?

Based on them actually playing team that knows a little something about defense. I don't give a damn what anyone says, Battier, Miller should not have been that damn open ALL the time. It wasn't that they had to double James, it was more on players like Westbrook not knowing what the fuck was going on. The Heat had 3 wide open perimeter shooters open at times. WTF? As much as I thought OKC was at an advantage matchup wise, San Antonio would've shown them how to play defense.

Plus, even with that horrible defense, OKC's shots weren't falling like they normally did. Let MIA play a team in a 7 game series where they don't have players disappearing like Harden or not passing the ball like Westbrook.

I'm sorry but MIA benefited from the Rose injury and the Bradley injury and playing teams that were inexperienced but had them on the ropes(Pacers)

Kerr smoking that shit talking about the next title will be easier. Negro please, Jordan ain't on the Heat. Lebron James isn't Jordan.

Find a team that can rotate and move the ball and i'll show you a team that will beat the Heat.

Pacers, Celtics, Nets, Knicks, and even the Hawks can go at the Heat.

And all this is barring injury. If any one of the big 3 go down, it's over.
 
I hope Carmelo breaks his fucking neck in the olympics

I hope Tysons spine gets fractured

Then let's see how u snicks do in the playoffs


Remember iman already has a torn up knee


Aye McGee if this happens who the fuck u gonna root for then.. I mean the bulls suck already and if the Knicks are bad ur going to have an even longer winter than I would
 
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