Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Idec: Mayweather dances around Pacquiao fight
Wednesday, January 25, 2012

NorthJersey.com

Floyd Mayweather Jr. made many of even his biggest skeptics believe in recent weeks that he was really ready this time to fight Manny Pacquiao.

Mayweather went as far as to call Pacquiao directly last week to discuss boxing’s biggest fight. But Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer, wasn’t swayed by Mayweather’s unprecedented pursuit of their long-awaited showdown.

Roach wasn’t the least bit surprised Mayweather informed a "SportsCenter" anchor via email Friday that Mayweather wasn’t willing to do a 50-50 purse split with Pacquiao. That reinforced Roach’s long-standing belief Mayweather won’t fight Pacquiao, no matter what the undefeated five-division champion professes publicly.

"Typical Mayweather," Roach said. "He doesn’t want to fight us. He’s been running for two years now. What’s new?"

Nothing, apparently.

All of Mayweather’s tweeting and posturing hasn’t gotten us any closer to the fight being made. The enigmatic Mayweather claimed, in the aftermath of Pacquiao’s inconclusive victory over Juan Manuel Marquez in their third fight Nov. 12 in Las Vegas, the time had come for the two best pound-for-pound boxers in the world to finally fight.

He said there was no way he’d box Robert Guerrero on May 5. He also said another potential opponent, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, isn’t quite ready from marketing and boxing standpoints to fight him.

Pacquiao, it seemed, was all Mayweather wanted.

But by telling Pacquiao directly he won’t agree to a 50-50 split, Mayweather was essentially saying he doesn’t want the fight. Not on May 5, maybe not ever.

The purse split seemingly was a forgone conclusion. The date, the site, Mayweather’s impending three-month stay in Clark County (Nev.) Detention Center and Pacquiao’s recovery from a cut sustained against Marquez all were issues.

A 50-50 purse split is imperative because both boxers are mainstream superstars who’ve performed well on pay-per-view and at the gate.

Mayweather was part of the biggest pay-per-event in boxing history (2.4 million buys for his victory over Oscar De La Hoya), but Pacquiao has drawn a crowd in excess of 50,000 for a fight at Cowboys Stadium [Mayweather’s last fight technically did not sell out MGM’s 16,000-seat Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas].

Pacquiao-Mayweather would sell out MGM Grand, one of the proposed sites, in about two minutes.

Not that it matters, mind you. It’s pretty apparent Mayweather doesn’t want the fight after all.

Email: idec@northjersey.com

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Wait... What has Cotto done to deserve either fighter? I mean he hasn't had a good performance against a good fighter in six fights. The Mosley fight is the was his only sign of greatness and it was a very competitive fight with him being convincing enough but how are people talking like he should even have bidding rights. Let him beat anyone in his division with some life even if its Angulo.

Absolutely.

 

[BKF]

I thought Manny didn't care about the money.

 

[1dcsailor]

Even though I believe Floyd deserves a bigger split I still think he should take the 50/50 split. Here is an unbiased video that I agree with that explains why

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Wait... What has Cotto done to deserve either fighter? I mean he hasn't had a good performance against a good fighter in six fights. The Mosley fight is the was his only sign of greatness and it was a very competitive fight with him being convincing enough but how are people talking like he should even have bidding rights. Let him beat anyone in his division with some life even if its Angulo.

Who is the number 1 rated light middle weight in the world?

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Even though I believe Floyd deserves a bigger split I still think he should take the 50/50 split. Here is an unbiased video that I agree with that explains why

Why does PBF deserve the bigger split?

 

[1dcsailor]

Why does PBF deserve the bigger split?

I'm pretty sure I posted the answer to this in this topic already but:

1. he has generated more revenue over his career

2. Pacquaio has said on record he will take the smaller share

3. Mayweather is undefeated

That's why he DESERVES more. Despite that I still think he should take the 50/50 split.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I'm pretty sure I posted the answer to this in this topic already but:

1. he has generated more revenue over his career

2. Pacquaio has said on record he will take the smaller share

3. Mayweather is undefeated

That's why he DESERVES more. Despite that I still think he should take the 50/50 split.

None of those are valid reason for this event. If PBF was fighting Cotto I would agree.

 

[BDR]

Why are you dudes wasting your time talking to Buk? ninja is the Skip Bayless of boxing... The Larry Merchant of BGOL...

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Why are you dudes wasting your time talking to Buk? ninja is the Skip Bayless of boxing... The Larry Merchant of BGOL...

Lol. BDR the NYC River's finest has spoken

 

[Alaskanredman]

Who is the number 1 rated light middle weight in the world?

Who has he beaten?

And Martinez in number one in my opinion. I think its fair for it to be cleared up in a fight, but Cotto is too afraid to say Martinez' name.. Which automactically disqualify him from the discussion. At least when Bradley ducked Khan, Bradley acted as if it wasn't a problem to fight. Like I say Cotto should be fighting Angulo just to prove he should be in the division.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Why are you dudes wasting your time talking to Buk? ninja is the Skip Bayless of boxing... The Larry Merchant of BGOL...

Why are you disrespecting Merchant cause he is at least on point a 4th of the time

 

[1dcsailor]

None of those are valid reason for this event. If PBF was fighting Cotto I would agree.

they are VERY valid.

ask yourself this...

would Oscar de la Hoya, the biggest earner in boxing (before retiring) take a 50/50 split with any of his opponent? HELL NO he wouldn't. you generate more you earn more..that simple

When Tyson was the champ and undefeated would he have taken a 50/50 split? nope

Manny saying he'll take less needs no explanation

despite all that I want Floyd to take the 50/50 allthough I would understand if he didn't

 

[1dcsailor]

Why are you dudes wasting your time talking to Buk? ninja is the Skip Bayless of boxing... The Larry Merchant of BGOL...

I'm sitting through a very dry lecture so I decided to grab my tab plus and find some entertainment, buks bullshit provides just what I need.

 

[Alaskanredman]

they are VERY valid.

ask yourself this...

would Oscar de la Hoya, the biggest earner in boxing (before retiring) take a 50/50 split with any of his opponent? HELL NO he wouldn't. you generate more you earn more..that simple

When Tyson was the champ and undefeated would he have taken a 50/50 split? nope

Manny saying he'll take less needs no explanation

despite all that I want Floyd to take the 50/50 allthough I would understand if he didn't

That's all that needs to be said... yes an argument can be made both ways about the other stuff, but the man had a 50/50 split already and said he would take less just to make the fight. It is the first significant move he has made to that end and now he takes it off the table. It says to things... he didn't deserve the money and he really doesn't want to make the fight.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

they are VERY valid.

ask yourself this...

would Oscar de la Hoya, the biggest earner in boxing (before retiring) take a 50/50 split with any of his opponent? HELL NO he wouldn't. you generate more you earn more..that simple

When Tyson was the champ and undefeated would he have taken a 50/50 split? nope

Manny saying he'll take less needs no explanation

despite all that I want Floyd to take the 50/50 allthough I would understand if he didn't

No your argument isn't valid because the fact is your OPPONENT has the same DRAWING power. So no...Oscar wouldn't take less if he was fighting some LOW ranked fighter. No..Tyson wouldn't either. But the FACT IS Floyd won't see NO PARTS OF THAT $150MM DOLLAR PUSSY WITHOUT MANNY....Fact or NOT? Give the man 50/50 and stop hiding like a bitch. Can't believe the brothas are buying that bullshit...PEDs...BLOOD TESTING..May 5th...50/50...resurrect James Brown...what fuckin excuse will be given next while you "call out" another fighter? You seriously understand why? C'mon bruh..

 

[Lower9Nupe]

That's all that needs to be said... yes an argument can be made both ways about the other stuff, but the man had a 50/50 split already and said he would take less just to make the fight. It is the first significant move he has made to that end and now he takes it off the table. It says to things... he didn't deserve the money and he really doesn't want to make the fight.

Only to Floyd fans...to every other muthafucka it just makes fuckin sense....Why give a nigga MORE than 50% when he can't earn the cake without you?

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

they are VERY valid.

ask yourself this...

would Oscar de la Hoya, the biggest earner in boxing (before retiring) take a 50/50 split with any of his opponent? HELL NO he wouldn't. you generate more you earn more..that simple

When Tyson was the champ and undefeated would he have taken a 50/50 split? nope

Manny saying he'll take less needs no explanation

despite all that I want Floyd to take the 50/50 allthough I would understand if he didn't

Lol, you guys struggle with the most basic aspect of this fight. The fighters you named never fought an equal that was just as skilled and just as much a box office success as them. Also i bet holyfield and tyson split the money 50/50. That is probably the closest fight to this one.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Only to Floyd fans...to every other muthafucka it just makes fuckin sense....Why give a nigga MORE than 50% when he can't earn the cake without you?

I don't know Maybe you should ask Manny, because he made the decision to begin with, which is something you are refusing to grasp.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Lol, you guys struggle with the most basic aspect of this fight. The fighters you named never fought an equal that was just as skilled and just as much a box office success as them. Also i bet holyfield and tyson split the money 50/50. That is probably the closest fight to this one.

Manny isn't as skilled... if that was the case, you would not be shitting on his chances on winning like everyone else with a ounce of boxing... I won't say knowledge for you, but more like experience in watching fights.

Manny doesn't sell as much as Floyd either. If I were to take your point of view, there is one huge problem, as much as you have shitted on Floyd's opponents and championed Manny... Manny still sells less per PPV. I already know you will avoid this lapse in logic just to jump to the fact that the Marquez fight finally allowed Manny to beat Floyd at box office, as you put it, and you will do this without acknowledging that Marquez has a serious following of his own and most boxing fans were interested in seeing how Juan would do.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Mayweather-Cotto A Better Idea Than Pacquiao-Cotto II

By James Slater: It’s still far, far, far from a done deal yet, but strong rumours suggest Floyd Mayweather Junior could face Miguel Cotto on May 5th. The far more intriguing Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight looks to be dead in the water (again), and it looks like Pac-Man - unwilling to budge on his 50-50 purse split proposal with Mayweather - has persuaded Cotto to look Floyd’s way due to the Filipino superstar’s insistence that he fight no higher than 147-pounds.

Cotto, who had to boil down to 145 to fight Pacquiao in 2009, and is now a world champ up at 154, seems to have realised he cannot be competitive against Pac-Man as a welterweight. Against Mayweather, however, at a catch-weight of, say, 150-pounds, Cotto may feel as though he has a legit shot at taking “Money’s” O. Cotto’s people are currently in talks with Mayweather’s people, and Fightnews.com no less, have an article up asking if a fight between the two is near.

If we can’t see Mayweather-Pacquiao (until later this year - the new date being put forth now seems to be November, with an exotic local a possibility), Mayweather-Cotto isn’t a bad idea. Certainly far better than the notion of a weight-drained Cotto facing Pacquiao for a second time, Mayweather Vs. Cotto is a fight that will intrigue and interest many if it happens. We all remember back in the middle 2000s, when Mayweather and Cotto were in talks to fight. It never happened back then, so if the fight does go ahead on may 5th, there will be a sense of “better late than never.”

Cotto looked great last time out, in busting up and dominating arch-rival Antonio Margarito in a passionate rematch, and his sharpness and his sheer ring savvy would possibly give a 35-year-old Mayweather plenty to think about in the ring. No-one is saying Cotto will beat Floyd (no-one would pick Cotto to beat Pacquiao in a return either), but the fight, if it happens, will be competitive.

I’d be willing to bet Mayweather would not be able to stop Cotto. I’d also be willing to bet the Puerto Rican legend would win his share of rounds in the fight. A fascinating technical battle will unfold, in my opinion, if the two veteran stars clash. Maybe a Mayweather-Saul Alvarez match-up would have appealed to more fans, but Floyd has reportedly dismissed “Canelo” as an opponent. Robert Guerrero wanted the May 5th date, but he too has been brushed off by “Money.”

The biggest star seemingly available for Mayweather’s contracted date of May 5th at The MGM Grand in Las Vegas is Cotto. And though this particular match-up is no Mayweather-Pacquiao, it’s probably the second-best fight that could be made involving Money-May.

At least Mayweather will be facing a new test; which is far more appealing to the cash-paying fans than the idea of Pacquiao going over old ground. Besides, Pacquiao can now fight a young, hungry, 147-pound-tested challenger in the form of the unbeaten Tim Bradley, most likely in June. It might just be that we get two very good fights (Floyd Vs. Cotto, Manny Vs. Bradley) in place of one potentially great fight!


I hope PBF fights Cotto. I think Cotto could win. Especially if he doesn't ask Cotto to cut weight.

 

[Zeferino]

I'm pretty sure I posted the answer to this in this topic already but:

1. he has generated more revenue over his career

2. Pacquaio has said on record he will take the smaller share

3. Mayweather is undefeated

That's why he DESERVES more. Despite that I still think he should take the 50/50 split.

Those are the worst most ridiculous answers I've ever seen.

 

[Zeferino]

Who has he beaten?

And Martinez in number one in my opinion. I think its fair for it to be cleared up in a fight, but Cotto is too afraid to say Martinez' name.. Which automactically disqualify him from the discussion. At least when Bradley ducked Khan, Bradley acted as if it wasn't a problem to fight. Like I say Cotto should be fighting Angulo just to prove he should be in the division.

Martinez is a middleweight.I think he's been there for a few fights now.

 

[Zeferino]

No your argument isn't valid because the fact is your OPPONENT has the same DRAWING power. So no...Oscar wouldn't take less if he was fighting some LOW ranked fighter. No..Tyson wouldn't either. But the FACT IS Floyd won't see NO PARTS OF THAT $150MM DOLLAR PUSSY WITHOUT MANNY....Fact or NOT? Give the man 50/50 and stop hiding like a bitch. Can't believe the brothas are buying that bullshit...PEDs...BLOOD TESTING..May 5th...50/50...resurrect James Brown...what fuckin excuse will be given next while you "call out" another fighter? You seriously understand why? C'mon bruh..

 

[Zeferino]

they are VERY valid.

ask yourself this...

would Oscar de la Hoya, the biggest earner in boxing (before retiring) take a 50/50 split with any of his opponent? HELL NO he wouldn't. you generate more you earn more..that simple

When Tyson was the champ and undefeated would he have taken a 50/50 split? nope

Manny saying he'll take less needs no explanation

despite all that I want Floyd to take the 50/50 allthough I would understand if he didn't

It seems like the new excuse now is "Manny said he would take less one day". Well, if we're going to focus on that there should be a definition of "less". What if Manny says, "I'll take 49.5%" and Mayweather says it's not low enough? Would you say Mayweather is right and that 49.5% is not low enough? Or would you think Mayweather was the one ducking? After all, Manny said he would take less and 49.5 is less than 50.

 

[HeathCliff]

Lol, you guys struggle with the most basic aspect of this fight.

Oh the irony

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Oh the irony

there really is no irony. you guys are defending the dumbest positions like you are getting a cut. Dude point out PBF's missteps in the whole ordeal. Point out where you think he was full of shit. I doubt you can. Manny and Bob have done a shitload to turn fans away with the saga. But so has PBF. The difference is I am willing to point out all their fuck ups. Something I can't say is part of the norm here.

 

[HeathCliff]

there really is no irony. you guys are defending the dumbest positions like you are getting a cut. Dude point out PBF's missteps in the whole ordeal. Point out where you think he was full of shit. I doubt you can. Manny and Bob have done a shitload to turn fans away with the saga. But so has PBF. The difference is I am willing to point out all their fuck ups. Something I can't say is part of the norm here.

The irony is a guy who has consistently proven to be moving goalposts, ill applying or failing to use logic, dodging valid points and resurrect old and irrelevant points, would charge the next man for failing to grasp "basic aspects" of anything.


I'm fucking appalled

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

The irony is a guy who has consistently proven to be moving goalposts, ill applying or failing to use logic, dodging valid points and resurrect old and irrelevant points, would charge the next man for failing to grasp "basic aspects" of anything.


I'm fucking appalled

Don't be appalled. It is just the internet. And like I said before. It is simply. You either can honestly critque the situation or you can't. I am going to laugh at yall cause most people here can't. If you think every point I make is invalid cool. If you are with some points. I am cool with that too.

I can be critical when most cats fail to grasp to most basic shit. Like what is said on tv or with to a reporter. Doesn't constitute a negotiation demand when negotiation had not even begun. As for using logic. It is hard to take any seriously when they can't even articulate the issues fully except for dumb shit like Manny is scared. And old and irrelevant points is an excuse for people who decide not to look at the entire picture of the situation. Don't knock me for not being short sighted or sway be a tweet. Lol, really? Your points about me are what again?

 

[Alaskanredman]

Martinez is a middleweight.I think he's been there for a few fights now.

The man fought in the division not to long ago and said he would come back for Cotto which would be to Cotto's advantage, but Cotto wanted to fight guys who haven't had any good wins since the mid 2000s. So to my understanding if a guy is number 1, moves up, but says he will come back to fight the top guys at that weight... he is still number one till someone takes it from him. Also how can you say he's the best when there are plenty of guys in the division who have been making actual waves and he's fighting Mayorga and Margarito. Who did Mayorga and Margarito beat in the last three years so that beating them adds legitimacy to the claim that Cotto is the best at 154. This is exactly what I mean when I say you guys don't place anybody else under the microscope like Floyd. I really don't understand this shit and to add it's funny when motherfuckers talk about Martinez being too big for Floyd... there is no question about them meeting some where in the middle, but Cotto gets specialized treatment with the same opponent and yet, people act like he should even be relevant in the discussion of who should fight Pac or Floyd next.

 

[Alaskanredman]

It seems like the new excuse now is "Manny said he would take less one day". Well, if we're going to focus on that there should be a definition of "less". What if Manny says, "I'll take 49.5%" and Mayweather says it's not low enough? Would you say Mayweather is right and that 49.5% is not low enough? Or would you think Mayweather was the one ducking? After all, Manny said he would take less and 49.5 is less than 50.

wow.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Don't be appalled. It is just the internet. And like I said before. It is simply. You either can honestly critque the situation or you can't. I am going to laugh at yall cause most people here can't. If you think every point I make is invalid cool. If you are with some points. I am cool with that too.

I can be critical when most cats fail to grasp to most basic shit. Like what is said on tv or with to a reporter. Doesn't constitute a negotiation demand when negotiation had not even begun. As for using logic. It is hard to take any seriously when they can't even articulate the issues fully except for dumb shit like Manny is scared. And old and irrelevant points is an excuse for people who decide not to look at the entire picture of the situation. Don't knock me for not being short sighted or sway be a tweet. Lol, really? Your points about me are what again?

Still avoiding



You need to go on tour with Chris Rock.

 

[Spectrum]

Dude point out PBF's missteps in the whole ordeal. .

Freddie Roach?... really Buk? Freddie Roach arguing about the position on the issues with this fight is like Netanyahu arguing about why the Palestinians are totally responsible for the conflict in the west bank.

 

[BDR]

Freddie Roach?... really Buk? Freddie Roach arguing about the position on the issues with this fight is like Netanyahu arguing about why the Palestinians are totally responsible for the conflict in the west bank.

easy eewwll Buk dont understand logic

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Who has he beaten?

And Martinez in number one in my opinion. I think its fair for it to be cleared up in a fight, but Cotto is too afraid to say Martinez' name.. Which automactically disqualify him from the discussion. At least when Bradley ducked Khan, Bradley acted as if it wasn't a problem to fight. Like I say Cotto should be fighting Angulo just to prove he should be in the division.

Why does no one call out Cotto for ducking fighters? First Paul Williams, now Martinez. He clearly ducks these guys but no one says anything about but will make up fighters that Mayweather supposedly "ducked".

Martinez is a middleweight.I think he's been there for a few fights now.

He had but he can make 154.
But since we agree he's a middleweight, can we just scratch his name from the list of guys Floyd Mayweather should fight?