Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Teddy Atlas: Mayweather Should Give Pacquiao The 50-50 - Boxing News

By Rick Reeno

Trainer and ESPN's 'Friday Night Fights' analyst Teddy Atlas, spoke to BoxingScene.com about the escalating situation to make a welterweight mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao.

After weeks of debating on the date and other related issues, the two boxers are at odds over the revenue split. During a recent telephone conversation, Mayweather advised Pacquiao that a 50-50 revenue split was "not going to happen" for a potential May 5th fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.*

Atlas, who supported Mayweather for the majority of his campaign to make this fight, and supported Mayweather's position to have Pacquiao undergo a random drug testing protocol - does not agree with Mayweather's unwillingness to provide Pacquiao with an even split of the money.

"I think that at the end of the day, everybody has a little bit of bullsh*t in them - to be honest with you - everybody. I've given Mayweather the benefit of the doubt and I've been on his side in some areas, which has been an unpopular side to be on, but I have [been on his side] because I thought it was right to be on that side. But with all the bullsh*t back and forth, and there has been plenty of it in both courts, you can't say that you refuse to go 50-50 if you're Mayweather. You just can't do it,” Atlas told BoxingScene.com.

“At the end of the day, if you want someone to believe, in earnest, that you want this fight then there are a lot of things that you can say that the other side hasn't done and you can point a finger at and make a case on, but this is not one of them. You can't say that you want the fight and then say that you refuse to give 50-50 to probably the biggest name in boxing right now."

"I don't think anybody can make a case, if they are being honest and they are really sober, on how they are not going to give 50-50 to Pacquiao. And you are talking about the guy who right now is the biggest engine in boxing. That's a losing argument. I don't see any way that he can win an argument, that he should get more than 50-50. To be honest with you, if you're Mayweather, I think he should be happy to get 50-50, because he's getting 50-50 in probably the biggest money fight in the history of the sport. That's doing good."

Mayweather's supports his position by pointing to a past comment made by Pacquiao, who during a recent interview with a Philippines newspaper, said he was willing to take less money to make a Mayweather fight. Atlas believes Mayweather is making a mistake by bringing up comments that were in the past, because the other side could take the same position.

"If he's going to go down that road, I don't think that's a road that Mayweather wants to travel down because there are a lot of things that Mayweather said in the past that he doesn't want to be held to. I'm sure there are a lot of things that Mayweather said in the past that he wants to forget," Atlas said.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Teddy is actually using common sense.

 

[Spectrum]

Teddy is actually using common sense.

If that is the ONLY issue impeding the fight, I agree with Teddy as well and have stated as much.

However, I dont think that is the issue with May 5th. Arum wants the fight later (November probably isnt doable) so it wont be until 2013 as Floyd is not going out of jail and fight two months later.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

If that is the ONLY issue impeding the fight, I agree with Teddy as well and have stated as much.

However, I dont think that is the issue with May 5th. Arum wants the fight later (November probably isnt doable) so it wont be until 2013 as Floyd is not going out of jail and fight two months later.

I agree. It is now or never.

 

[HeathCliff]

If that is the ONLY issue impeding the fight, I agree with Teddy as well and have stated as much.

However, I dont think that is the issue with May 5th. Arum wants the fight later (November probably isnt doable) so it wont be until 2013 as Floyd is not going out of jail and fight two months later.

I agree. It is now or never.

I see something we all finally agree on

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I see something we all finally agree on

A december fight is doable. Makes more sense. I personally rather see them iron out something for december than bs about trying to make a fight in May.

 

[HeathCliff]

A december fight is doable. Makes more sense. I personally rather see them iron out something for december than bs about trying to make a fight in May.

Why would December make more sense then when they can fight 7 months earlier? It aint like this fight need anymore promoting, theyve been promoting this shit for over 3 years. Besides, nothing is impeding each fighter from making a May date IMO.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Why would December make more sense then when they can fight 7 months earlier? It aint like this fight need anymore promoting, theyve been promoting this shit for over 3 years. Besides, nothing is impeding each fighter from making a May date IMO.

Because unlike most people. I understand that people need to feel like they are working together to reach a common goal when negotiating. right now it is just pbf trying to strong arm manny in a situation where he has little say. if they both sit back and work together a later date is best. it would give pbf 4 months to get ready and to promote the fight long with manny. it makes sense to me. as well as the 50/50 split.

 

[HeathCliff]

Because unlike most people. I understand that people need to feel like they are working together to reach a common goal when negotiating. right now it is just pbf trying to strong arm manny in a situation where he has little say. if they both sit back and work together a later date is best. it would give pbf 4 months to get ready and to promote the fight long with manny. it makes sense to me. as well as the 50/50 split.

You know, any normal situation I would agree with you, but this is bullshit and I'll explain why.

Right after Pacquiao won that decision in November, that nigga Bob Arum was posturing for a 4th fight with JMM in May. So he can set the ground work for fighting one fighter in May but he can't for the other?

Hilarious

 

[Alaskanredman]

You know, any normal situation I would agree with you, but this is bullshit and I'll explain why.

Right after Pacquiao won that decision in November, that nigga Bob Arum was posturing for a 4th fight with JMM in May. So he can set the ground work for fighting one fighter in May but he can't for the other?

Hilarious

9 pages in and your expecting dud to start making sense. If this wasn't a show case of these dudes taking the most illogical routes to support Pac's position and shit on Mayweather... I don't know what else needs to be shown. Of course, he agrees with the fight happening later just look at whose pushing for it.

He will do everything possible to avoid reality.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

You know, any normal situation I would agree with you, but this is bullshit and I'll explain why.

Right after Pacquiao won that decision in November, that nigga Bob Arum was posturing for a 4th fight with JMM in May. So he can set the ground work for fighting one fighter in May but he can't for the other?

Hilarious

I agree. But here is the point that is missed. I don't know if you have ever been divorced with a lot on money to divide. But this Manny and PBF thing is playing out the same way. PBF and Manny were linked together as boxers. PBF feels like he was cheated on by all the accolades Manny got when he took time off. His feelings got hurt. Then he started slandering dude and then tried to reconcile cause of money. But when all the hurt feelings came back and the control issues arose. The split up again. Now just like a divorce the hurt feelings and the sense of financial entitlement is rearing its ugly head. There is just no way these two parties will agree if one party takes the lead. They are both just going to have to compromise. Which is hard with all the hurt feelings involved. I mean it is rare that the top two pound for pound fighters can face each other. This isn't like a negotiation in the sport that we have ever seen. You can at least see that. Both cats need to let shit go. They got to put all the past stuff away. And focus on the business of making an agreement both parties feel like they can feel good about.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I agree. But here is the point that is missed. I don't know if you have ever been divorced with a lot on money to divide. But this Manny and PBF thing is playing out the same way. PBF and Manny were linked together as boxers. PBF feels like he was cheated on by all the accolades Manny got when he took time off. His feelings got hurt. Then he started slandering dude and then tried to reconcile cause of money. But when all the hurt feelings came back and the control issues arose. The split up again. Now just like a divorce the hurt feelings and the sense of financial entitlement is rearing its ugly head. There is just no way these two parties will agree if one party takes the lead. They are both just going to have to compromise. Which is hard with all the hurt feelings involved. I mean it is rare that the top two pound for pound fighters can face each other. This isn't like a negotiation in the sport that we have ever seen. You can at least see that. Both cats need to let shit go. They got to put all the past stuff away. And focus on the business of making an agreement both parties feel like they can feel good about.

you are ridiculous and still avoiding.

 

[HeathCliff]

I agree. But here is the point that is missed. I don't know if you have ever been divorced with a lot on money to divide. But this Manny and PBF thing is playing out the same way. PBF and Manny were linked together as boxers. PBF feels like he was cheated on by all the accolades Manny got when he took time off. His feelings got hurt. Then he started slandering dude and then tried to reconcile cause of money. But when all the hurt feelings came back and the control issues arose. The split up again. Now just like a divorce the hurt feelings and the sense of financial entitlement is rearing its ugly head. There is just no way these two parties will agree if one party takes the lead. They are both just going to have to compromise. Which is hard with all the hurt feelings involved. I mean it is rare that the top two pound for pound fighters can face each other. This isn't like a negotiation in the sport that we have ever seen. You can at least see that. Both cats need to let shit go. They got to put all the past stuff away. And focus on the business of making an agreement both parties feel like they can feel good about.

Hilarious
I think this says more about you than it does about Floyd or Pacquiao or anybody else.

Either way, I'm going off facts, not what I think the other guy is thinking. Arum was all set to fight in May until Floyd started calling them out. I can't neglect that fact and thats why I think its bullshit to say they can't make the fight then vs december.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Hilarious
I think this says more about you than it does about Floyd or Pacquiao or anybody else.

Either way, I'm going off facts, not what I think the other guy is thinking. Arum was all set to fight in May until Floyd started calling them out. I can't neglect that fact and thats why I think its bullshit to say they can't make the fight then vs december.

Lol, ok. I guess you are missing the most obvious part of all this. Neither guy needs to make this fight. So until they both decide to negotiate and not make demands. Then the fight won't get done. It really isn't one person's fault that this is happening now. Both parties are to blame.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Carlos, Zab, and Ortiz were just title holders. The are not hof'er or guys that ruled divisions. To compare them to the guys I named seems silly. But oh well. You are entitled to your opinion. I just disagree.

"Just titleholder"? They were the reigning champions who won their titles in the ring from the former champions, making them the best at the time. Someone's probable hall of fame status is subjective and it's far too early to say with Ortiz. Having a hall of fame name on your resume doesn't mean dick if you fought them after they were shot and just in it to make a fast buck (Ali after the Spinks fights, Tyson after the Holyfield fights, Roy Jones/Evander Holyfield currently).

Lmao, the Corley was another fighter that held a belt. But he never was a pound for pound type of fighter. Ever.

No one is claiming otherwise. You're picking points where you are factually correct but ignoring the ones where you aren't. That is irritating. Ortiz, when he fought Mayweather, was getting top ten p4p talk and was the champion. Corley was a gatekeeper at that point.

I agree with the Antonio comments. Also keep in mind Antonio, Paul, and Cotto are all fighters PBF refused to fight. That is PBF's MO. He gets in a division that has talent. Takes the easy fight and forces the other champs to fight each other. Ricky's victory or Castillo doesn't even register.

That is not true and you know it's not true and you said it anyway. The only guy he refused to fight (without saying so publicly) was Paul Williams. But Cotto refused to fight him too.
So did Shane Mosley. So did Manny Pacquiao. Initially, Margarito refused as well until Williams made purposely make himself the WBO number one contender and Margs had to fight him or drop the title.
They dont register because you don't want them to.

True.

I knew we could agree on something.

Seriously. Manny is not highly skilled? It was a quality win though. I agree. Not only was it a quality win. It was an impressive showing by Manny.

No, he's not. He's very good at what he does but he has a hard time making adjustments. I would say he's a skilled fighter but not a "highly skilled" fighter.
Very impressive showing, I agree. He did topple Hatton at Hatton's best weight and that was impressive.

I saw it as a clear robbery. But if you think I'm using some revisionist history, cool. I don't think it was anything but a bullshit decision that was in play not to derail him versus BHOP.

It was a robbery, just for the reason you said. But I think you're revising history to say he was done after that fight.

Teddy Atlas: Mayweather Should Give Pacquiao The 50-50 - Boxing News

By Rick Reeno

Trainer and ESPN's 'Friday Night Fights' analyst Teddy Atlas, spoke to BoxingScene.com about the escalating situation to make a welterweight mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao.

After weeks of debating on the date and other related issues, the two boxers are at odds over the revenue split. During a recent telephone conversation, Mayweather advised Pacquiao that a 50-50 revenue split was "not going to happen" for a potential May 5th fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.*

Atlas, who supported Mayweather for the majority of his campaign to make this fight, and supported Mayweather's position to have Pacquiao undergo a random drug testing protocol - does not agree with Mayweather's unwillingness to provide Pacquiao with an even split of the money.

"I think that at the end of the day, everybody has a little bit of bullsh*t in them - to be honest with you - everybody. I've given Mayweather the benefit of the doubt and I've been on his side in some areas, which has been an unpopular side to be on, but I have [been on his side] because I thought it was right to be on that side. But with all the bullsh*t back and forth, and there has been plenty of it in both courts, you can't say that you refuse to go 50-50 if you're Mayweather. You just can't do it,” Atlas told BoxingScene.com.

“At the end of the day, if you want someone to believe, in earnest, that you want this fight then there are a lot of things that you can say that the other side hasn't done and you can point a finger at and make a case on, but this is not one of them. You can't say that you want the fight and then say that you refuse to give 50-50 to probably the biggest name in boxing right now."

"I don't think anybody can make a case, if they are being honest and they are really sober, on how they are not going to give 50-50 to Pacquiao. And you are talking about the guy who right now is the biggest engine in boxing. That's a losing argument. I don't see any way that he can win an argument, that he should get more than 50-50. To be honest with you, if you're Mayweather, I think he should be happy to get 50-50, because he's getting 50-50 in probably the biggest money fight in the history of the sport. That's doing good."

Mayweather's supports his position by pointing to a past comment made by Pacquiao, who during a recent interview with a Philippines newspaper, said he was willing to take less money to make a Mayweather fight. Atlas believes Mayweather is making a mistake by bringing up comments that were in the past, because the other side could take the same position.

"If he's going to go down that road, I don't think that's a road that Mayweather wants to travel down because there are a lot of things that Mayweather said in the past that he doesn't want to be held to. I'm sure there are a lot of things that Mayweather said in the past that he wants to forget," Atlas said.

Most of us can agree to that but Manny said he would take less money so it's irrelevent what Teddy Atlas thinks. Manny gave up some important ground publicly.
@ Teddy for acting like Manny said that shit years ago.
Funny, Manny gave up on the money faster than he's given up on the drug testing. Hmmmm.

Hilarious
I think this says more about you than it does about Floyd or Pacquiao or anybody else.

Either way, I'm going off facts, not what I think the other guy is thinking. Arum was all set to fight in May until Floyd started calling them out. I can't neglect that fact and thats why I think its bullshit to say they can't make the fight then vs december.

That's the problem a lot of the times. You can argue with buk using strictly the facts, he comes at you with some speculation or his feelings, you point out the ridiculousness and you're gay.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Lol, ok. I guess you are missing the most obvious part of all this. Neither guy needs to make this fight. So until they both decide to negotiate and not make demands. Then the fight won't get done. It really isn't one person's fault that this is happening now. Both parties are to blame.

This is a subtle change but a good one. You always seemed slow to suggest Arum was fucking up the fight when he was making all the demands so at least now you see it as both of them. There's a reasonable person in there somewhere.

 

[HeathCliff]

Lol, ok. I guess you are missing the most obvious part of all this. Neither guy needs to make this fight. So until they both decide to negotiate and not make demands. Then the fight won't get done. It really isn't one person's fault that this is happening now. Both parties are to blame.

Man I ain't missing nothing. Unlike you, im not pretending i know what theit thinking. Im going off what they have already said. You and i both witnessed the a May fight professed from both parties and now only one side is sticking to that time frame. I just don't see why you folks love to just bruh over Pacman camp bullshit. When it's Mayweather to blame, its all Floyd's faught. But when it's Pacman to blame, then it's both of their fault? Fuck it. I give up.

But I digress

 

[HeathCliff]

That's the problem a lot of the times. You can argue with buk using strictly the facts, he comes at you with some speculation or his feelings, you point out the ridiculousness and you're gay.

okay okay okay

Glad I'm not the only one picking up on this shit. Geez. I'm done with that cat.

 

[HeathCliff]

This is a subtle change but a good one. You always seemed slow to suggest Arum was fucking up the fight when he was making all the demands so at least now you see it as both of them. There's a reasonable person in there somewhere.

It's only "both" of their fault when Camp Pacman fucks up

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It's only "both" of their fault when Camp Pacman fucks up

That's the pattern. I'm used to it.

But saying anything makes you a sipper of the PBF Kool Aid.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

okay okay okay

Glad I'm not the only one picking up on this shit. Geez. I'm done with that cat.

I have always said it is Manny's fault for not making Bob make the fight. It is Bob's fault cause he doesn't want to make any fight with PBF. It is PBF's fault for not really wanting to fight Manny and creating most of the bullshit atmosphere that has taken place. It is you guys that want to blame one side for all of it. I laugh at the obstacles thrown up not to make this fight happen.

 

[1dcsailor]

 

[xcluesiv]

If that is the ONLY issue impeding the fight, I agree with Teddy as well and have stated as much.

However, I dont think that is the issue with May 5th. Arum wants the fight later (November probably isnt doable) so it wont be until 2013 as Floyd is not going out of jail and fight two months later.

C/S

 

[Zeferino]

I have always said it is Manny's fault for not making Bob make the fight. It is Bob's fault cause he doesn't want to make any fight with PBF. It is PBF's fault for not really wanting to fight Manny and creating most of the bullshit atmosphere that has taken place. It is you guys that want to blame one side for all of it. I laugh at the obstacles thrown up not to make this fight happen.

This is probably the fairest assessment in a nutshell.

 

[HeathCliff]

I have always said it is Manny's fault for not making Bob make the fight. It is Bob's fault cause he doesn't want to make any fight with PBF. It is PBF's fault for not really wanting to fight Manny and creating most of the bullshit atmosphere that has taken place. It is you guys that want to blame one side for all of it. I laugh at the obstacles thrown up not to make this fight happen.

Okay man if you say so.

I'll give you the respect and remove my perception of you and take your word from this point here.

 

[Alaskanredman]

It's only "both" of their fault when Camp Pacman fucks up

Only if there isn't enough room to spin it. 9 page of ridiculous spin and he won't cop to any of it just like the rest.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Okay man if you say so.

I'll give you the respect and remove my perception of you and take your word from this point here.

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Stumbling Blocks II... By Armando "Old School" Aguilera
*

While the top two pound for pound prize fighters in boxing are reluctant to give their loyal fans the fight they really want, it doesn't mean there aren't tough competitors out there who can give them a serious challenge. Though this doesn't mean you're going to get that either! The*fight options that make the most financial sense*for either Pacquiao or Mayweather aren't the the ones who will give them*a run for their money. After all,*at this stage it's all about low risk, high rewards or so it seems; perhaps, they can prove us wrong.

The front runner right now for Pacquiao is rumored to be Miguel Cotto.*Can you make an argument that Cotto deserves a rematch?*Well, he does bring a lot to the table from a financial point of view, but*rather*a slim to none chance in ever defeating the caliber*of a Pacquiao. That is, unless*Pacquiao graciously ups the ante and decides to fight*Cotto at*154 lbs. Highly unlikely though, considering Pacquiao's long history of fighting for titles at catch-weights. Nevertheless, the most serious challenger out there (not named Marquez)*right now for Pacquiao is a low reward, high risk fighter named Timothy Bradley!

In addition, the front runner for Mayweather is low risk, high reward Mexican star Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.*While Alvarez brings an undefeated record and*a ton of loyal fans to the*bargaining table, he*is still too green for*a sharpshooter like Mayweather.*If "Money" wants to gain*more respect from his loyal fans, he would fight the high risk, low reward third*ranked pound for pound contender Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez at 154 lbs. This fight seems highly*doubtful because of two reasons: first and foremost, "Maravilla" is already penciled in for a March 17 scrap. Furthermore,*the match up has been rumored to happen at a catch weight of 150 lbs, which means Martinez will need more time to loss the extra pounds to make the contractual weight.

In retrospect, look for both fighters to take the high road*in fighting the*highest reward, lowest risk opposition available to them.*After all, the paying fans will support them*(no matter who they fight) or so it seems. Until the fans decide enough is enough, and decide to outright boycott Pacquiao's and Mayweather's future fights, then perhaps we can get the fight we've wanted the most for the past two years!*I guarantee*you that if their PPV number's dip below the*500,000 buy rate on their next fight*our demands will be heard.***

 

[Zeferino]

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Stumbling Blocks II... By Armando "Old School" Aguilera
*

The front runner right now for Pacquiao is rumored to be Miguel Cotto.*Can you make an argument that Cotto deserves a rematch?*Well, he does bring a lot to the table from a financial point of view, but*rather*a slim to none chance in ever defeating the caliber*of a Pacquiao. That is, unless*Pacquiao graciously ups the ante and decides to fight*Cotto at*154 lbs.

I don't understand why everyone is selling Cotto so short against Pacquiao. I think Cotto has the necessary boxing ability to beat Pacquiao if employed correctly and I was very impressed with the way his new Cuban trainer had him looking against Margarito. I know, Margarito is a bum, blah, blah, etc. Mayorga was an even cruder bum and Cotto did not appear as technically sound as he did in the Margarito rematch. I think Cotto still has a lot in the tank. Actually, if Pac and Cotto fight, I'm going to bet on Cotto. I've seen slippage in Pac and if my eyes can see it, I know Mayweather's do too. That's why Mayweather's sudden outward interest in making the fight doesn't surprise me. I think if Pac has another fight and starts wrecking guys spectacularly again, Mayweather will get quiet again, talk about vacation, retirement, etc.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

I don't understand why everyone is selling Cotto so short against Pacquiao. I think Cotto has the necessary boxing ability to beat Pacquiao if employed correctly and I was very impressed with the way his new Cuban trainer had him looking against Margarito. I know, Margarito is a bum, blah, blah, etc. Mayorga was an even cruder bum and Cotto did not appear as technically sound as he did in the Margarito rematch. I think Cotto still has a lot in the tank. Actually, if Pac and Cotto fight, I'm going to bet on Cotto. I've seen slippage in Pac and if my eyes can see it, I know Mayweather's do too. That's why Mayweather's sudden outward interest in making the fight doesn't surprise me. I think if Pac has another fight and starts wrecking guys spectacularly again, Mayweather will get quiet again, talk about vacation, retirement, etc.

If the slippage you're referring to is the fight with Marquez I might have to disagree with you. Marquez was scoring well by pulling his punches. Looked great but didn't have anything behind them to really hurt Manny. That was his strategy and it almost paid off for him. (My opinion of course.)

Personally I think Floyd is the better fighter and should win against Manny. However the problem with "scoring" this fight is Manny's output and Floyd's defensive style. I don't see judges giving Floyd rounds by simply avoiding the confrontational style Manny brings to the table. It's the equivalent of what happened to Oscar when he fought Tito. Oscar thought he won the fight, crueised, boxed, didn't land anything of note and LOST the fight. Simply put Tito was there to "FIGHT", Oscar was looking for a "W" and was rewarded for his caution with a big ass "L".

Floyd protests too much...something has this dude worried. Talking shit. Hard line dates. No splitting of money. Ridiculous PED claims made by illiterate fools. All of which SCREAMS I ain't fighting that little dude (Manny). If he wanted him, he would have had him by now. Floyd's relying on his "troops" to believe his bullshit and they're deep throating his bullshit for sure...50/50 and location. Two things....if he wanted the biggest payday EVER he could have it tomorrow by simply saying YES....Shit. He's the only one talking shit at this point...

 

[Zeferino]

If the slippage you're referring to is the fight with Marquez I might have to disagree with you. Marquez was scoring well by pulling his punches. Looked great but didn't have anything behind them to really hurt Manny. That was his strategy and it almost paid off for him. (My opinion of course.)

Personally I think Floyd is the better fighter and should win against Manny. However the problem with "scoring" this fight is Manny's output and Floyd's defensive style. I don't see judges giving Floyd rounds by simply avoiding the confrontational style Manny brings to the table. It's the equivalent of what happened to Oscar when he fought Tito. Oscar thought he won the fight, crueised, boxed, didn't land anything of note and LOST the fight. Simply put Tito was there to "FIGHT", Oscar was looking for a "W" and was rewarded for his caution with a big ass "L".

Floyd protests too much...something has this dude worried. Talking shit. Hard line dates. No splitting of money. Ridiculous PED claims made by illiterate fools. All of which SCREAMS I ain't fighting that little dude (Manny). If he wanted him, he would have had him by now. Floyd's relying on his "troops" to believe his bullshit and they're deep throating his bullshit for sure...50/50 and location. Two things....if he wanted the biggest payday EVER he could have it tomorrow by simply saying YES....Shit. He's the only one talking shit at this point...

You make good points. In reality, not enough has been seen to truly determine that Pac has fallen off. Mosley just fought like he was trying to survive kind of like Camacho's non efforts agains Oscar de la Hoya and Tito Trinidad. Marquez always presents the style problem for Pac but even so Pac fought him differently. A more prime Pac would have thrown himself into Marquez with reckless abandon. In this third fight, Pac seemed more hesitant. Fighters get more hesitant with age and both Pac and May are nearing 35. I see the age 35 as entering the danger zone for a boxer. Pac and May will lose very soon if they remain active. Mayweather might last longer because he is generally much less active and knows what fighters not to fuck with.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I think any appearance of Manny slipping is due to him fighting his nemisis juan and guys that were just bigger than him. If he were fight anyone else that was close his size. I would expect to see the same manny. His performance against Juan was almost like all the others were. His fights against bigger opponents have been basically watching him chop down big trees. If he fights lamont or timmy. I will be like old times.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Stumbling Blocks II... By Armando "Old School" Aguilera
*

While the top two pound for pound prize fighters in boxing are reluctant to give their loyal fans the fight they really want, it doesn't mean there aren't tough competitors out there who can give them a serious challenge. Though this doesn't mean you're going to get that either! The*fight options that make the most financial sense*for either Pacquiao or Mayweather aren't the the ones who will give them*a run for their money. After all,*at this stage it's all about low risk, high rewards or so it seems; perhaps, they can prove us wrong.

The front runner right now for Pacquiao is rumored to be Miguel Cotto.*Can you make an argument that Cotto deserves a rematch?*Well, he does bring a lot to the table from a financial point of view, but*rather*a slim to none chance in ever defeating the caliber*of a Pacquiao. That is, unless*Pacquiao graciously ups the ante and decides to fight*Cotto at*154 lbs. Highly unlikely though, considering Pacquiao's long history of fighting for titles at catch-weights. Nevertheless, the most serious challenger out there (not named Marquez)*right now for Pacquiao is a low reward, high risk fighter named Timothy Bradley!

In addition, the front runner for Mayweather is low risk, high reward Mexican star Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.*While Alvarez brings an undefeated record and*a ton of loyal fans to the*bargaining table, he*is still too green for*a sharpshooter like Mayweather.*If "Money" wants to gain*more respect from his loyal fans, he would fight the high risk, low reward third*ranked pound for pound contender Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez at 154 lbs. This fight seems highly*doubtful because of two reasons: first and foremost, "Maravilla" is already penciled in for a March 17 scrap. Furthermore,*the match up has been rumored to happen at a catch weight of 150 lbs, which means Martinez will need more time to loss the extra pounds to make the contractual weight.

In retrospect, look for both fighters to take the high road*in fighting the*highest reward, lowest risk opposition available to them.*After all, the paying fans will support them*(no matter who they fight) or so it seems. Until the fans decide enough is enough, and decide to outright boycott Pacquiao's and Mayweather's future fights, then perhaps we can get the fight we've wanted the most for the past two years!*I guarantee*you that if their PPV number's dip below the*500,000 buy rate on their next fight*our demands will be heard.***

Good article.

If the slippage you're referring to is the fight with Marquez I might have to disagree with you. Marquez was scoring well by pulling his punches. Looked great but didn't have anything behind them to really hurt Manny. That was his strategy and it almost paid off for him. (My opinion of course.)

Personally I think Floyd is the better fighter and should win against Manny. However the problem with "scoring" this fight is Manny's output and Floyd's defensive style. I don't see judges giving Floyd rounds by simply avoiding the confrontational style Manny brings to the table. It's the equivalent of what happened to Oscar when he fought Tito. Oscar thought he won the fight, crueised, boxed, didn't land anything of note and LOST the fight. Simply put Tito was there to "FIGHT", Oscar was looking for a "W" and was rewarded for his caution with a big ass "L".

The problem with this is Floyd has been fighting a more confrontational style since coming back. He went straight at Marquez but it could be said Marquez was too small but he then attacked an always hard punching Mosley and again at a much younger, possibly harder puncher in Ortiz. Even in his most one sided fights, Mayweather doesn't stop fighting like Oscar until against Tito except maybe in the final round when he could risk losing by a lucky punch.

Floyd protests too much...something has this dude worried. Talking shit. Hard line dates. No splitting of money. Ridiculous PED claims made by illiterate fools. All of which SCREAMS I ain't fighting that little dude (Manny). If he wanted him, he would have had him by now. Floyd's relying on his "troops" to believe his bullshit and they're deep throating his bullshit for sure...50/50 and location. Two things....if he wanted the biggest payday EVER he could have it tomorrow by simply saying YES....Shit. He's the only one talking shit at this point...

And Manny has just been itching to fight, huh? C'mon man. What are you deep throating?

You make good points. In reality, not enough has been seen to truly determine that Pac has fallen off. Mosley just fought like he was trying to survive kind of like Camacho's non efforts agains Oscar de la Hoya and Tito Trinidad. Marquez always presents the style problem for Pac but even so Pac fought him differently. A more prime Pac would have thrown himself into Marquez with reckless abandon. In this third fight, Pac seemed more hesitant. Fighters get more hesitant with age and both Pac and May are nearing 35. I see the age 35 as entering the danger zone for a boxer. Pac and May will lose very soon if they remain active. Mayweather might last longer because he is generally much less active and knows what fighters not to fuck with.

I don't think Cotto's a threat to Pacquiao but not because I think he's fallen off but Cotto's proven himself not to be an elite fighter while Manny has proven he is. The only way Cotto has a legit shot is if they fight at 154.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Wait... What has Cotto done to deserve either fighter? I mean he hasn't had a good performance against a good fighter in six fights. The Mosley fight is the last and was his only sign of greatness and it was a very competitive fight with him being convincing enough but how are people talking like he should even have bidding rights. Let him beat anyone in his division with some life even if its Angulo.

 

[Majestic]

I think if stupid muthafuckers would stop caring so much about this fight they will finally do it...This shit about worse than the Detox album......Every time something happens you have the SAME niggas arguing back and forth about some shit that won't happen...And they won't have no damn December fight because the excuse then would be "Mayweather just got out of Prison and will need the same amount of time Pacman had to get ready for the fight"...Which would end up being NEXT MAY probably

 

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Manny Pacquiao allegedly was convinced he had a done deal with Floyd Mayweather. (Photo by Jeff Gross/Getty Images)

According to a report in The Philippine Star, Manny Pacquiao was convinced that he had a May 5 date with Floyd Mayweather Jr all squared away. I'll get into why I don't think there's much to this, but here's the important bit:

A few days earlier, on Monday (Jan. 16), I had met with Pacquiao at his congressional office in the Batasan complex. ... I asked him his choice for his next opponent in May... Without any hesitation, he said, "Si Floyd (Mayweather) na yan ("It’s done, it’s Floyd"). When I asked him about the possible dates, he remained confident and so sure of himself, replying, "Either May 26 or June 9".

Since I failed to secure his permission to do a scoop of what he told me in a private conversation and not wishing to abuse his confidence, I refrained from telling my editors about Pacquiao’s statement and instead opted to wait for the next few days. I wanted to see how Arum and company would handle the erratic and unpredictable Mayweather after Pacquiao had chosen the American as his opponent.

Realistically, what it sounds like here is that Pacquiao was told by Bob Arum that they'd work on a date for May 26 or June 9.



The problem is that Mayweather has to fight on May 5, as per his agreement with the Las Vegas judge who let him delay his 90-day prison sentence. So the May 26, June 9 stuff for a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight was never going to happen. It was a way for Top Rank to put off the fight again, and I don't even know if Mayweather much cares that they did, but he'll still argue about it publicly so that he looks good.

Manny may have thought that it was going to happen, which seems a bit naïve for someone in his position, but that wouldn't be the first time Pacquiao has seemed a bit naïve about any number of things regarding his boxing career. Whether it's a front or not is up to anyone to guess, I suppose.

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Plus, none of this addresses why Pacquiao suddenly had a change of heart and asked for a 50-50 split, which he had earlier assured The Fans -- the people He Fights For -- wouldn't be a problem, saying he was willing to take a lesser portion of the pot to make the fight happen. For The Fans.

The rest of the article is a fluff piece for Manny Pacquiao, as frankly most of these things are, and makes certain to note that Floyd Mayweather will be going to jail where inmates will be "just waiting to lay their hands on him in as many ways as they can," which is ridiculous as Mayweather will not be in the general population whenever he does report to jail, but it makes Floyd sound terrible, and Manny is noted as a "free man, a reformed Christian and a dedicated husband and father and public servant," which makes Manny sound like the saint that surely he definitely without a question is.

So no, I don't think there's really much to this.

Either way, Mayweather is due back on May 5, if he can find someone to fight, and Pacquiao is returning on June 9.