NY Times: White folk are steadily moving to a hood near you

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Striking Change in Bedford-Stuyvesant as the White Population Soars

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Mark Dunlea and his wife, Judith A. Enck, moved to Brooklyn from upstate New York two years ago. Last March, they breached the blurry Clinton Hill border to buy an apartment in a four-story condominium that had replaced an abandoned warehouse in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

Mark Dunlea recently moved from upstate New York to the neighborhood, which he called “really diverse.”

The couple say they do not feel like pioneers in the gentrification of Bedford-Stuyvesant, the neighborhood in central Brooklyn that traces its African-American roots to the early 19th century and has been the borough’s black cultural capital for decades.

“We just feel so lucky to be in such a vibrant neighborhood,” Ms. Enck said. Mr. Dunlea, the director of the Hunger Action Network of New York State, added, “To us, if you’re going to move to New York City, one of the benefits is a really diverse neighborhood.”

Overshadowed by Harlem’s racial metamorphosis since 2000, an even more striking evolution has occurred in Bedford-Stuyvesant. Over all, the neighborhood is now barely 60 percent black — down from 75 percent a decade ago. But in the older Bedford section west of Throop Avenue, according to the 2010 census, blacks have recently become a minority of the population for the first time in 50 years.

“Both the fall of the crime rate and the improvement of the subway were conditions that made this neighborhood more attractive to people who might not have considered living there in the past,” said John H. Mollenkopf, director of the Center for Urban Research at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York.

Arthur Kell, 54, a jazz musician and composer who is white and who bought a brownstone in Bedford with two friends five years ago, said, “It seems to be similar to what I saw happen in Fort Greene starting in 1997.”

In the past decade, the black population of Bedford dropped to 34,000 from 40,000, or to 49 percent from 69 percent. Meanwhile, the number of whites grew to more than 18,000, up from just over 2,000, or to 26 percent, up from 4 percent.

From 2000 to 2010, the white population soared 633 percent — the biggest percentage increase of any major racial or ethnic group in any New York City neighborhood. In Central Harlem, meanwhile, the number of whites rose 400 percent, increasing their share of the population to 10 percent, up from 2 percent.

“When I moved here 10 years ago, I was the first white guy on the block,” said Ryan McCullough, 48, a sculptor, who lives off Bedford Avenue with his wife and rents out the top two floors of his three-story brownstone to four tenants. Now, he said, nearly half of the residents on his street are white.

“In the 2010 census, the first thing we noticed was how the concentrations in many traditional black and white areas dropped off across so many blocks,” said Steven Romalewski, director of the mapping service of the Center for Urban Research at CUNY’s Graduate Center, which analyzed the census results block by block.

In Brooklyn, he said, “you can see how the white population, for example, is shifting eastward into traditionally black areas, while blacks are also moving eastward, especially to Flatlands and Canarsie.”

In Clinton Hill, Fort Greene and Williamsburg, “the prices are so astronomically high that obviously the next place to go to is Bedford-Stuyvesant or Bushwick,” said Henry L. Butler, the chairman of Community Board 3 in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

“You’re getting new money, new people, you get different types of services and stores, and you get more police protection,” he said. “Homeowners are doing well, but if you’re a renter, those prices have gone up also and that has pushed some people into moving out.”

Michael Guerra, executive vice president of Prudential Douglas Elliman and its Brooklyn sales director, said the neighborhood was attracting students from the nearby Pratt Institute, as well as “couples and singles who are looking for more value and a segment of pioneers who think there’s a long-term upside.”

The spillover from more expensive neighborhoods, like Williamsburg, Fort Greene and Clinton Hill, has produced a striking metamorphosis in relatively short order.

On Greene Avenue, down the block from Mr. Dunlea and Ms. Enck, a four-family town house is listed at $1.5 million. An area that epitomized racial tension around a pizza parlor in Spike Lee’s 1989 film “Do the Right Thing” is now home to several Zagat-rated restaurants and to Nice (as in France) Pizza, which features a “La Baltique” pie topped with smoked salmon and heavy cream ($20 for the 16-inch version).

A section of Bedford is moving toward being designated a historic district in the neighborhood that, 30 years ago, Billy Joel crooned he might “be crazy” to walk through alone.

Tremaine Wright, 38, a lawyer who opened Common Grounds, an upscale coffeehouse on Tompkins Avenue four years ago and lives nearby in the house her grandfather bought in the 1940s, says the resurgence of businesses and other services has also attracted younger blacks who might otherwise have moved away.

“I have a solid peer group here,” said Ms. Wright, who is black. “The real gentrification is people staying instead of leaving.”

The extent of racial integration, so far, has been mixed in Bedford-Stuyvesant, which the city’s Planning Department defines roughly as bounded by Throop, Classon and Flushing Avenues and Fulton Street.

“Some white residents are involved in local block associations and community-based advocacy groups,” said John L. Flateau, a professor of public administration at Medgar Evers College. “But there are also a number of white families and single hipsters moving into Bed-Stuy, as renters and owners, who seem to be disconnected from, unaware of, and oblivious to Bed-Stuy’s rich, historical legacy of social capital, community networks and its politics.”

Professor Flateau, who is black and lives in the area, said whites represented “a vibrant part of a new entrepreneurial class” and added: “My concern is the social cohesion gap created by the home sellers and evacuees and stubbornly slow immersion and social integration by the new urban pioneers.

“Some home sellers were one step shy of foreclosure; others are retirees, heading back ‘down South.’ Still others cannot manage New York’s high cost of living, high black unemployment, very tight, high-skills job market, etc. In any event, this constitutes a major drain on Bed-Stuy’s social and economic capital.”

Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries, who represents the area, said “some African-American homeowners have sold their houses and returned down South with the ability to improve their quality of life from a space standpoint or are moving to other parts of Brooklyn and to the suburbs.”

“Others,” he continued, “have remained in Bedford-Stuyvesant, but have rented parts of their home out to newcomers, both black and white, to benefit from the increased market.” (The number of renters since 2000 has increased at a higher rate than the number of owners.)

Still, he said, “the area has undergone dramatic racial and socio-economic change, but at its core Bedford-Stuyvesant remains Bedford-Stuyvesant with a proud history and tradition infused with African-American culture.”
 
Re: White folk are steadily moving to a hood near you

hood niggahs are about to be relocated..
 
Cheap realastate.Buy low,sale or rent high until your kind doesn't buy then sell and move.
 
Yup its happening all across the country look at Harlem, Washington D.C., and even Kansas City its called gentrification.
 
Its happened here and doesn't matter if you own property.

Houses around here would easily sell for $750k uptown.

But because its on the south side under $500k:smh:

White people used to be scared of niggas but they
realize now niggas are only threats to each other.

Yup its happening all across the country look at Harlem, Washington D.C., and even Kansas City its called gentrification.

Yeah the same niggas that played a part in the gentrification process are the
ones who are crying about it ironically. I think its funny cause to tell these
same crack selling ass niggas anything 20 years ago they'd call u a hater.

Stupid ass niggas dont have shit to show but ugly ass Coogi shit now. :smh:

And the kids they got from fucking any and every opportunistic bitch they wanted to. :yes:
 
it always happens.

Black folks move into the city and white folks move out.

Black folks "make it" and move to the suburbs and white folks move back to the city.

same with uptown and downtown.

They take those tenements and make high priced lofts or they restore the brownstones.
 
it always happens.

Black folks move into the city and white folks move out.

Black folks "make it" and move to the suburbs and white folks move back to the city.

same with uptown and downtown.

They take those tenements and make high priced lofts or they restore the brownstones.

This might dispute that.

Rich minorities live in poorer neighborhoods


The most successful blacks and Hispanics are more likely to have poor neighbors than are whites, according to new analysis of Census data.

The average affluent black and Hispanic household — defined in the study as earning more than $75,000 a year — lives in a poorer neighborhood than the average lower-income white household that makes less than $40,000 a year.

“Separate translates to unequal even for the most successful black and Hispanic minorities,” says sociologist John Logan, director of US2010 Project at Brown University, which studies trends in American society.

“Blacks are segregated and even affluent blacks are pretty segregated,” he said.

“African Americans who really succeeded live in neighborhoods where people around them have not succeeded to the same extent.”

The disparities are strongest in large metro areas in the Northeast and Midwest where segregation has always been high. It’s lowest in more recent booming parts of the Sun Belt.

“White middle-class families have the option to live in a community that matches their own credentials,” Logan says. “If you’re African American and want to live with people like you in social class, you have to live in a community where you are in the minority.”

Gannett News Service
 
it always happens.

Black folks move into the city and white folks move out.

Black folks "make it" and move to the suburbs and white folks move back to the city.

same with uptown and downtown.

They take those tenements and make high priced lofts or they restore the brownstones.

We fall for the okie doke every time. I know 4 families who have moved into the Philadelphia are surburbs. As I drive around north Philly, white faces are moving more north.
 
it always happens.

Black folks move into the city and white folks move out.

Black folks "make it" and move to the suburbs and white folks move back to the city.

same with uptown and downtown.

They take those tenements and make high priced lofts or they restore the brownstones.
If you're black who the fuck wants to live amongst niggas?
 
This might dispute that.

Rich minorities live in poorer neighborhoods


The most successful blacks and Hispanics are more likely to have poor neighbors than are whites, according to new analysis of Census data.

The average affluent black and Hispanic household — defined in the study as earning more than $75,000 a year — lives in a poorer neighborhood than the average lower-income white household that makes less than $40,000 a year.

“Separate translates to unequal even for the most successful black and Hispanic minorities,” says sociologist John Logan, director of US2010 Project at Brown University, which studies trends in American society.

“Blacks are segregated and even affluent blacks are pretty segregated,” he said.

“African Americans who really succeeded live in neighborhoods where people around them have not succeeded to the same extent.”

The disparities are strongest in large metro areas in the Northeast and Midwest where segregation has always been high. It’s lowest in more recent booming parts of the Sun Belt.

“White middle-class families have the option to live in a community that matches their own credentials,” Logan says. “If you’re African American and want to live with people like you in social class, you have to live in a community where you are in the minority.”

Gannett News Service

I don't see it and I live in Chicago.

The south suburbs are loaded with black families that moved from the city.

I'd love to see an affluent family living in Englewood. There may be a few now on State where the gardens and Robert Taylor used to be since they have built condos there.

Not saying that some don't since housing has always been cheaper t buy in the hood and many take their parents homes when they pass on.


They were actually trying to have white folks move into that area on State since its near Sox park and IIT .They built a big ass new police area HQ and those proposed condo's started at 200k.

But it didn't work so they made a metra stop at the field.
 
So, when whites leave, it's white flight.

When whites return (with their tails between their legs), it's gentrification.

Honkeys just can't admit to being wrong.

I don't know about the rest of you jokers, but Detroit has some DAMN fine neighborhoods that have been maintained for decades by black people.

Now, these honkeys realize their white fantasies in the suburbs are blowing up in their faces.

Suddenly, Detroit is the place to be, because whites want to come back.

Fuck the honkeys.
 
Its happened here and doesn't matter if you own property.

Houses around here would easily sell for $750k uptown.

But because its on the south side under $500k:smh:

White people used to be scared of niggas but they
realize now niggas are only threats to each other.




Yeah the same niggas that played a part in the gentrification process are the
ones who are crying about it ironically. I think its funny cause to tell these
same crack selling ass niggas anything 20 years ago they'd call u a hater.


Stupid ass niggas dont have shit to show but ugly ass Coogi shit now. :smh:

And the kids they got from fucking any and every opportunistic bitch they wanted to. :yes:




This shit right here is so true.Here in Oakland,The West side of town has Architecturally beautiful Victorians that have stood hundreds of years through earthquakes.This area is right next to San Francisco(one of most expensive cities in country), and right next to water.That said,in my lifetime it has always been ghetto as hell with murders over drug turf and trash all in the streets.Over the past few years, the residents have been using their Section 8 vouchers to move to suburbs miles outside the city.They were attracted to larger and newer housing and the minimal crime.
So now whats happening? Those suburbs are now turning into the ghettos and they left beautiful and well built Victorian era homes for cheaply constructed new housing.One the otherhand, white folks are moving out of the suburbs and into those neglected Victorians close to their jobs.These White folks are putting in community gardens,community trash pickup,calling the police on people loitering,fixing up their neglected Victorians,and getting involved in their community meetings.Now that the area is looking better and on the upswing, black residents are complaining about getting pushed out. :hmm: In the future, I see the suburbs being majority black, crime ridden,and isolated due to gas prices and the inner cities being all white with improved public transportation and less crime.
 
This might dispute that.

Rich minorities live in poorer neighborhoods


The most successful blacks and Hispanics are more likely to have poor neighbors than are whites, according to new analysis of Census data.

The average affluent black and Hispanic household — defined in the study as earning more than $75,000 a year — lives in a poorer neighborhood than the average lower-income white household that makes less than $40,000 a year.

“Separate translates to unequal even for the most successful black and Hispanic minorities,” says sociologist John Logan, director of US2010 Project at Brown University, which studies trends in American society.

“Blacks are segregated and even affluent blacks are pretty segregated,” he said.

“African Americans who really succeeded live in neighborhoods where people around them have not succeeded to the same extent.”

The disparities are strongest in large metro areas in the Northeast and Midwest where segregation has always been high. It’s lowest in more recent booming parts of the Sun Belt.

“White middle-class families have the option to live in a community that matches their own credentials,” Logan says. “If you’re African American and want to live with people like you in social class, you have to live in a community where you are in the minority.”

Gannett News Service


IMO alot of that has to do with people naturally feeling more comfortable around their race.Im an example.Over a decade ago after getting into my career,alot of my coworkers moved to suburban cities with nicer neighborhoods.I looked at housing in those areas,but felt like an outsider and just wasn't comfortable being one of only a few black people in the middle of all white folks.So I stayed in a decent area of a hood ass city.
 
hood niggahs are about to be relocated..

This is what happens when you rent but never own. Suddenly you neighborhood gets noticed cause of the easy commute and you're getting moved out. Happened in Harlem, happening now in Brooklyn. It's about to happen in Jamaica, Queens cause they just changed the zoning laws. That's always the first step.

Sent from my EVO Shift
 
We fall for the okie doke every time. I know 4 families who have moved into the Philadelphia are surburbs. As I drive around north Philly, white faces are moving more north.

you mean
Center city north and northern liberties and spring garden :confused::confused::confused:
 
This is what happens when you rent but never own. Suddenly you neighborhood gets noticed cause of the easy commute and you're getting moved out. Happened in Harlem, happening now in Brooklyn. It's about to happen in Jamaica, Queens cause they just changed the zoning laws. That's always the first step.

Sent from my EVO Shift

no this is what happens when the original owners of the homes die and leave it to their children and their children are on drugs and other issues and can't maintain the property anymore and either have to sell it for cheap or the property ends up at the sheriff sales for tax issues.
 
I can't wait to see what they do with the projects located behind this thing.

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IMO alot of that has to do with people naturally feeling more comfortable around their race.Im an example.Over a decade ago after getting into my career,alot of my coworkers moved to suburban cities with nicer neighborhoods.I looked at housing in those areas,but felt like an outsider and just wasn't comfortable being one of only a few black people in the middle of all white folks.So I stayed in a decent area of a hood ass city.

i asked a group of white girls that exact question when they were at a party full of black people

black people have a problem blending in with whites they fell like sellouts they get pressure from their so called friends and blah blah blah

you take white people on the other hand they will go neck deep into niggaville and be totally comfortable.

we have to get over that i remember dude posted some pics of his trip to alaska one of the first questions someone asked was how did the white people look at you. our money is just as green as theirs and we have to start treating life like that and take down the fears and barriers we create and put ourselves in.
 
Here n the Chi, the west side is the place they r moving to. Actually its the best place! Its the center of the city n easy place that leads to north n south side.. they r coming n they may b scared of black but walk as if they dnt fear at all!
 
Yup its happening all across the country look at Harlem, Washington D.C., and even Kansas City its called gentrification.

Yeah man. I was discussing this with a friend just a few days ago. I remember back in 1990 when we gutted a school on 127th and St Nicholas and converted it to loft apartments. It was an old elementary school so the windows were huge and the ceilings were high. I'll never forget how many white folks moved in with the quickness. More so than that I met the white cat that bought Langston Hughes brownstone. If memory serves me right it was on 129th between Malcolm X Blvd (6th Av) and 5th Ave. The place was set up real nice. Shortly there after I could not help but notice white folks jogging at 5:30am. Also the vendors were subsequently removed from 125th street and the way we use to be able to hang out on 125 st on a Saturday night was also shut down. Good times...good times....
 
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Same thing is happening in Detroit.

If you are a good neighbor and take care of your property I would not give a fuck if you were a Klingon.
 
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Same thing is happening in Detroit.

If you are a good neighbor and take care of your property I would not give a fuck if you were a Klingon.

I understand, but...

what happens when they call the Klingon police?

and you have to follow Klingow ordinances?

and refinance at the Klingon bank?

That Klingon neighbor won't look so great.
 
I understand, but...

what happens when they call the Klingon police?

and you have to follow Klingow ordinances?

and refinance at the Klingon bank?

That Klingon neighbor won't look so great.

this.. Sooner or later, something is bound to happen.
 
White flight in reverse....they're more afraid of the natural disasters of the "suburbs" then they are of black people
Also, its like RR said, they FINALLY realize, that all that shit about reverse racism in the ghetto is a bunch of bullshit.
Black people are more accepting of ANY other race of people than any other race of people
 
Ill never forget seeing one of my friends when his peoples died he got
money plus a $300k house and was broke within 2 years from buying
shit smoking out and bullshitting..If i hadnt seen that shit I probably
would have done the same. Parents work for years for this shit and
kids piss it away in less than 5 years usually...Nignorance.

$300k aint shit to an ignorant mothafucka :smh:

That $300k helps put distance between most of his friends due to stunting
and trying to look down on mothafuckas and by the time he hits bottom
he wants to hang out with his old friends and they be like

Nigga fuck you.:hmm:

Seen it happen over and over....thats why i aint never been selfish.:smh:

I know who my real fam is.
 
Been living in New York City 50 years; seen this movie before. These whites are in these areas because right now they can't afford Park Slope, the Upper West Side, the Upper East Side, Chelsea, Battery Park City, So-Ho, No-Ho, Greeniwch Village, Gramercy Park etc. etc.

When and if the economy booms again, whatever the next bubble is, and these peoples pockets fill up $$$$$$ they will move faster than a new York minute. This is an old movie.
 
Well the CAC has been exporting the hood. I know in Ohio, and folks have said Atlanta did it too, they are taking people out the projects and putting them in suburbs. So people that are living normal lives now have hood shit around them. But in Ohio it isn't driving people back to the cities, it is driving people further out in hopes folks on the busline can't follow.

Frankly I don't give a fuck. This just shows how fucked up black trash is. Same fucking buildings but you put normal black folks in them or cacs and folks ain't getting shot the fuck up every other day. That ghetto mindset just isn't the business. :smh: :smh: And I bet muthafuckas open up more than just churches, car washes and day cares.


 
Musical chairs...


no this is what happens when the original owners of the homes die and leave it to their children and their children are on drugs and other issues and can't maintain the property anymore and either have to sell it for cheap or the property ends up at the sheriff sales for tax issues.

^^^THESE

As a gentrifier, all these white gay males on my block are only helping my property value.

-CTF
 
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