Do you have evidence of this? An admission possibly?eewwll said:Makk..dont confuse my statement. I said he WANTS to be a dictator. I did not say that he currently IS a dictator.
Invoking fuckin Hitler? Dude.......Some of the worlds most cruel dictators (hitler as an example) were all VOTED in by the people at one point all under th guise of bringing THEIR people out of plight. Look at the history of the clock towards dictatorship. The pattern is usually the same as he is following.
Nationalize industries, concentration power over business, media,etc in the centralized government completely, modify term limitations. This is an obvious one Makk. You are falling for the socialistic jargin and his media postering. Look at how he is changing the law to concentrate power centrally under his direct control. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here especially considering his stated aspirations. Also consider Castro is his mentor, ally and model.
I see what you are talking about just like I saw it in Libya. I see alot more parrallels with Libya than Nazi Germany. From his coup attempts down to his rank when he tried it I see way more similarities there than with HITLER. damn man hitler?
Venezuela is clearly heading toward the tightly regulated, one party communist system of Cuba's Castro.
Would Cuba even be the way it is in regards to politically one partied, authoritarian etc if it weren't for 50 years of US oppression? No. Are most cubans better off now than they'd be under the old system? Hell yeah. Is it what I'd call ideal? No. If you want to blame someone for how Cuba is blame the USA. If you want to blame someone for how Venezuela is and the actions Hugo feels he has to take blame the USA. If not for 100yrs of US interference in South American, Central American and Caribbean politics there wouldn't be such severely oppressive governments and societies or the need for people to rise up to counter them.
The world aint a vacuum and Chavez and Castro did not create themselves by themselves.
I don't hear anything regarding the white aristocrats who had the country on lock down and still continuously engage in a war of dirty tricks etc with him all the time in relation to Chavez's power consolidation and other moves.He will concentrate power within the hands of him and his cronies as he is doing now.. I guarantee you when we fast forward 10 years, the PEOPLE are not only not in a better predicament, but the overall financial situation of the country has worsened.
at the pot calling the kettle black..the coup plotter is Chavez, who as everyone knows tried to overthrow the government in 1992, years before he was elected. Not renewing their license is like President Bush one day announcing that NBC is going off the air because it was involved in a conspiracy against the United States. It is power that he should not even have in the first place. Also the station(venezuelas most popular by the way) contends it never promoted the coup and merely covered it as a news event. The CEO said in an interview that the network executives had not been presented with a formal notice or complaint that they could contest in court or at a public hearing. Chavez restricting freedom of expression at the same time serves as a warning against other news organizations to limit their actions at the risk of facing the same fate. Now, their will be no oppositional talk against Chavez...the road continues. Makk..come on man. I KNOW you are better than that. He is erasing OPPOSITION...period. Why not take it to the courts and handle it democratically and have the very serious claims proven in the courts.
The CEO said.........? Please bruh. You are quoting people who sit together in meetings on how to keep their hands around the neck of the nation. You do realize that right? The owner of that station along with the owner of Coke down there and many others especially in the oil industry ran the coup, planned the coup, had snipers take shots at a Chavez rally etc. Please. The lead reporter for that station quit over their manipulation of shit. Quoting the cat's explanation of what happened to the canary? Not convincing.
Courts? How many people did Chavez have killed after the coup? How many organizers went to prison for violating the law? You are championing those who willfully violated the nation's constitution and attacking the only ones who have lived by the law.
You are arguing your case regarding your "predictions" of how Chavez will turn into a monster by quoting and portraying the situation in the exact light that the current actual monsters have laid out.
But the Bovarian Revolution is its brother: Socialist...at the end of the day..there is not much difference between the two. Difference between between a lemon and a lime.. may not be the same fruit... but same family, consistency, similar taste, etc.
So skip the whole point that was being made about actually serving the members of the nation as a whole rather than one small elite group and argue about socialism? What nation on this planet does not invoke some form of socialism? The way you keep avoiding the plight of those meek ones in Venezuela to argue misconstrued elitist realities is showing me that you care more about markets and industry than human suffering. I hope I'm wrong about that. I know that you are a generous cat and how you feel about hardwork etc but I think we differ greatly on how to remedy the ails of the oppressed. I state what CHavez is trying to do to thwart those few who have unfairly asserted authority over their nation for too long and you argue predictions and the case of the few. If you mentioned even in passing how the status quo would be better for the people or something else would be better I could possibly understand where you are coming from more but so far you are just hurling fiction and half explained events around like nothing else is taking place. Why does Chavez do what he does? Why does he feel the need to do them? It puts his case in a very different light than a half-jew with a tiny moustache blowing up his own congressional building and blaming it on a homeless jew.
Investing Billions and making? Billions. And who in Venezuela profits from those deals? The nation? The population? Remember the oil industry was already nationalized but the wealthy elitists ran the industry as if it were their own private company.Sweetheart deals where companies come in and completely development an industry in a nation investing Billions of dollars in investment, resources, etc.
You openly defend thieves. See my previous response. So which is more legitmate those who stole it first or the victims who reclaim what was taken? You clearly represent the thieves.See this is where you and I differ... You seem to support thievery, as long as you dislike the supposedly group that has the assets that are being stolen.
The Brasilian entities that owned those conduits of business in Venezuela did not steal those assets.
How do you feel about a man who steals your property and the person who knowingly buys what was stolen from you?
A man steals your mercedes and sells it to another man at a discount and the buyer knows about the theft in detail and saw it occur. The buyer takes your car and puts rims on it, a great stereo and tints the windows etc. Do you feel like you have any less claim to YOUR car? Does the buyer of your car have any rights to your vehicle because of his modifications?
Some of those conclusions you are jumping on don't have great foundations.See, you agree with suspending the law if supposedly it helps the PEOPLE.
What law was suspended that I agreed with? Are you referring to contracts that were renegotiated or terminated?
I live in a place where that has supposedly happened and it isnt Venezuela.What happens when the government decides to suspend your rights to HELP the people.
This is not about money or assets... this is about limited what a government has to the power to do and not do. The Irony of you attempting to argue this from a moral perspective baffles me.
This is all about money and assets. This is totally a Venezuelan-American(Both South and USA) war of economics and control of resources.
The irony of you referring to broken Brazilian energy contracts and investment then one sentence later saying this isn't about money or assets baffles me.
The people are not going to rise out over poverty on the back of SOCIALISM.
First of all they clearly aren't gonna get shit from the status quo, unless you believe the past couple hundred years aren't evidence of that.
Secondly, many european nations do quite well with various forms of socialism in place.
Please explain to me how what has been a failure over centuries for the masses is going to change without changing.
It never has and never will happen. I will never congratulate a person for HELPING (smh) with a system that has a 100 percent failure rate.
See my above post.
You agree but suggest that living under that tyranny is cool for Venezuelans. Maybe its just your omission of things in this discussion that run contrary to those who support that system.The world banj and IMF shit I agree with though. Those are the same mechanisms that were used to put the U.S. under control of the bankers: The Federal Reserve System.
Marxist Leninist Police squads execute homeless children in the streets of Brazil? Word? I'd love to read that take on it. Got any links or anything on that? damn manHow do you think Brasil got into its situation in the first place.
South America? The standards for human rights should be lower?However, the contrary... well more contrary in a relevant type of view considering this is south america, has been what has made Brasil the beacon of stability in South America for the most part.
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You can't understand how a lil socialism in the form of housing for the poor etc could help children who sleep in the streets and have their brains bashed in by police at night?
Why is it that free market capitalists jump to the total socialism/communism conclusion when anyone mentions socialism or "leftist"???Just answer that one question. I am trying to understand how can anyone... from a historical, economical, metrical, etc point of view come to the conclusion that socialism is the answer to the problems.
What type of government and economy does Brazil have now?
What are the national poverty rates?
Naw Ayn got under your skinWho the hell said BRASIL was EDEN. The ONLY reason why I even mentioned Brasil in this thread was because that dipshit said I was brainwashed by the American Media.
That does not mean you are not near or within the sphere of US influence. Not saying that you are cuz I dont see you that way. I see you as a compassionate capitalistMy point was...I didnt know how that was possible considering I am not even in the U.S. to be brainwashed by the U.S. media.
So how do you feal about the leftist movement in South America? Tell us how you really feelI get a rather consistent wide ranging view of the politics of other south american countries because they all border brasil. And the effects of their politics has a much direct affect on this nation than the U.S.
Man why water the shit down? Cmon I know you know some figures or percentages regarding people of color in government where you live. Stop holdin out.There are a few ministers that head large sectors of the government. However, Brasil is not different than most places around the world...looking at the pictures of the heads of state and their administration around the world..we know what the photo looks like.
Is everything "left" commie pinko level to you? Please refresh my memory cuz I dont remember saying that about Brazil. Just asked a side question since you live there and I dont read portugese.However, your thought that SOCIALISM is the answer is incorrect. That shit never has and never will solve the problem.
Brasil is not a segregated nation. It has a form of classism. Man.. I need to take a photo of some favellas for you next time I go. The poor are white, black, etc. No group has a monopoly over poverty in this country.
The poor in America are white black etc and there is segregation although it doesnt need rule of law anymore.
Are the ruling elite all white portugese? I asked already and you said except a few. I have read shit about the unspoken racism in Brazil- seen shit about the outward racism too.
Seeing poor people of all colors mixing is not new to me but seeing the elite being a mix representative of the population's mix would be something Im interested in seeing otherwise as far as Im concerned its a fuckin racist nation with hundreds of millions of people of color not being represented.
Man I looked at your response and was like fuck I aint gonna answer all that shit
I aint over here wearing a beret chain smokin with Che on the wall bruh dont get me wrong.