you been watchin the Sons too much old man , you gettin softcranrab said:i'll give my predictions when the matchups are set...
you been watchin the Sons too much old man , you gettin softcranrab said:i'll give my predictions when the matchups are set...
Dolemite said:you been watchin the Sons too much old man , you gettin soft
im gonna call u ali every post contains a devastating jabcranrab said:nah, just don't wanna waste time with possibly having to make 2 sets of predictions...
when the matchups are set, i'll put 'em in writing...
not like some of the ALL MOUTH bgol squad who promise to put predictions in writing but conveniently forget or are nowhere to be found as days roll by...
Dolemite said:i have to disagree. Game 2 clearly showed how immature that team is and unable to stand on their own without Kobe when the heat is on. The lead was cut to 5 and the Suns were on a 11-4 run and the Lakers were shook, not hitting jumpers not playing good D etc and Toby single handedly answered every shot Nash and Bell hit. Nobody else even tried to step up. I agree in general with what you mean but with Cook and Sasha on the bench( the lakers most confident shooters outside of Lamar and Toby) and with Lamar not remembering to take Marion to the whole or being caught in Dantoni's post double maneuver there was only Toby to man up and take control.
Ive never seen one great player who could do more than 5 average players in sync
SpiritualPorn said:Kobe is not an average player. He has won championships and tough playoff games. His leadership is needed however , as Cran Says: IT IS ALSO A DETRIMENT WHEN HE JACKS UP SHOTS AND YELLS AT TEAMMATES.
If Kobe had played like this all season and kept Caron they would have been a higher seed. As it was they barely backed in. With Odom and Brown you should not have to back into the playoffs. Odom is the perfect Pippen to Kobe. It took Phil to bring that out.
Phil's leadership is more important in the playoffs than the regular season. Not Kobe's.
I will say that Kobe's cheap shot thug play has rubbed off on the team. The Suns look shook.
I have watched all these games and watched Phil Jackson scream instructions to the team that were consistently not followed.SpiritualPorn said:Kobe is not an average player. He has won championships and tough playoff games. His leadership is needed however , as Cran Says: IT IS ALSO A DETRIMENT WHEN HE JACKS UP SHOTS AND YELLS AT TEAMMATES.
If Kobe had played like this all season and kept Caron they would have been a higher seed. As it was they barely backed in. With Odom and Brown you should not have to back into the playoffs. Odom is the perfect Pippen to Kobe. It took Phil to bring that out.
Phil's leadership is more important in the playoffs than the regular season. Not Kobe's.
I will say that Kobe's cheap shot thug play has rubbed off on the team. The Suns look shook.
The lead was cut to 5 and the Suns were on a 11-4 run and the Lakers were shook, not hitting jumpers not playing good D etc and Toby single handedly answered every shot Nash and Bell hit.
TrojansFan said:Note: If the Lakers kept Caron Butler, they would not have Kwame Brown!!!
Dolemite said:If kobe played like this all year and Caron stayed they would have had a higher seed and we'd be watching Bynum play Center right now. Not sure how good or bad that would be.
We all know Toby should have been doing this from jump but rehashing the past now that he finally has gotten "it" is hater shit
Every team needs a person who will scream at teammates fuckin up
I havent seen that lately though- ive seen him encouraging his comrades and ive seen them doing the same and starting to believe in themselves
I just dont see the big deal on constantly rehashing the fact dude takes alot of shots even after he stopped doing it. Restating the same thing over and over and over can be viewed as juvenile as well.SpiritualPorn said:Anytime someone says anything other than Kobe is the greatest it's HATER SHIT?????? What ....... is this high school?????????
We will know if Kobe has gotten "it" once they win the series. Before that it's speculation. I love the way he is playing this series thus far.
When I am talking it's more in response to the season long "debate" that we have been having here about less Kobe shooting = more Laker wins.
I like bball.....I give credit where it's due. WHen Kobe gave Nash a serving of roasted nuts I , as a bball fan loved it.
Agreed on the Butler thing though.
i KNOW. Lets keep it real; most of you Kobe haters dont want to admit that u r angry at him 4 the white girl thing. So co'mon M = most V = valuable P = player (not players) 4 that year so lets take a look:a7chemist said:Ooops, lakers win
Kobe is playing like all u fuckers want him to play and u still talk shit about him
tennblack said:i KNOW. Lets keep it real; most of you Kobe haters dont want to admit that u r angry at him 4 the white girl thing. So co'mon M = most V = valuable P = player (not players) 4 that year so lets take a look:.
tennblack said:http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/index.html?nav=page
When u c this be honest 2 yourself!!!!!!!
Then ask yourself who would be in the Hall of Fame, base on this year stats. only try not to put your foot in your mouth.
tennblack said:i KNOW. Lets keep it real; most of you Kobe haters dont want to admit that u r angry at him 4 the white girl thing. So co'mon M = most V = valuable P = player (not players) 4 that year so lets take a look:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/index.html?nav=page
xfactor said:Thats got to be the funniest thing I've heard all day. Who cares if he was accussed of raping a white teenage groupie? That has nothing to do with his on the court play. Seems like most Wobe fans couldnt possibly fathom the idea of someone actually not agreeing with Bryant's on the court style of play so they have to come up with absurd reasons to justify to themselves that a person that doesnt think Bryant is the best player in the history of basketball, it must be something personal. Well its not, I dont take personal bias into account when evaluating a basketball players skill level or ability.
First of all, I dont know of any player that EVER made the BHOF off of one year of statistics but since you asked the question here's your answer...
Steve Nash and here's why:
In head to head comparison of statistics, Bryant beat Nash in PPG, RPG (Only by 1), SPG, BPG (by hundreths of a point), TOs per game (A gunner avg only .3 less TOs/game than a PASS first PG? )
In head to head comparison of statistics, Nash beat Bryant in APG, FG%, 3FG%, FT%, A/T ratio, double-doubles, triple-doubles and the most important statistic.... WINS
Not to mention playing with an overhauled roster (that got worse) and only playing 4 games with the team's star post and on top of that he is about to win back to back MVPs which makes him a lock to get into the HOF.
The more people try to justify Bryant winning MVP, the more dumb they sound because he won the title he deserved and that was the SCORING title. As far as MVP is concerned, I'd rank LeBron James, Steve trash, Chauncey Billups, Tim Duncan, and Elton Brand all ahead of Bryant.
tennblack said:i KNOW. Lets keep it real.
cranrab said:of course, there's no way to prove this, so we'll just have to disagree...
my thing is, if you put 5 AVERAGE players together who BUY INTO what coach jackson is selling, that squad will make the playoffs... PERIOD...
in the worstern conference with teams like memphis and sacramento qualifying, the fakers could've even made 6th spot without tobe...
what people always overlook is that tobe's poor play retarded the growth of the TEAM... no matter what their individual weaknesses may be (or have been), the fakers are a stronger team when tobe FALLS INTO STEP...
splitting the suns on the road is PROOF POSITIVE...
Dolemite said:toby was on the bench but im not following you guys' argument enough to know what you're talking about in regard to what u just said
i was looking for an excuse to bad mouth smurf parker
yo cranrab- without toby the lakers wouldnt have made the playoffs - I forget that jim jackson is even on the team- then when I remember I ask myself why he isnt playing then I see him act like his name is Jack Jimson when we're trying to slow down the game and he's tossin up bricks without a fuckin care in the world
Havoc said:The Lakers are a stronger team when all the players have fallen into step. To say that the lakers would have made the playoffs without Kobe is exaggerating a bit- the two games against Utah (while Kobe served a two game suspension) is proof of that.
Havoc said:To say that the lakers would have made the playoffs without Kobe is exaggerating a bit- the two games against Utah (while Kobe served a two game suspension) is proof of that.