The Official Ron Paul Thread

[GET YOU HOT]

You have to admit he is ballsy and rightfully so, if you brought as many lives into this world safely and watched them grow, you would have earned the right to speak on such terms, mofo is bold...

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Fact Sheet on NAFTA


"Increased trade and investment are cornerstones of a vibrant, expanding, and more comprehensive NAFTA, bringing about a truly remarkable expansion of trade and investment among our countries."

President George W. Bush
April 22, 2001

NAFTA implementation began seven years ago, creating the world’s largest free trade area. The agreement now links the U.S., Canada and Mexico’s 406 million people, producing more than $11 trillion worth of goods and services.

NAFTA has enabled Mexico and the U.S. to establish a solid, dynamic trading partnership. Mexico is our second largest trading partner, with an average of $650 million in goods crossing the border each day. Total trade between the U.S. and Mexico was $261 billion in 2000, three times the 1993 pre-NAFTA average. U.S. foreign direct investment in Mexico in 2000 was $8.9 billion, and is expected to be significantly higher in 2001. As our business cycles converge, both countries have had sharp slowdowns in economic growth in 2001. Despite this, trade between us remains strong, at $99 billion for the first five months of 2001.

While trade relations are strong, there are inevitable disagreements. NAFTA's dispute resolution process provides mechanisms for citizens and governments to raise questions regarding failure to enforce NAFTA's trade, environmental and labor laws. U.S. investors have brought nine claims to dispute settlement, with a settlement or award so far in five.

Several issues have proved contentious. We remain committed to resolving those disputes through open and frank negotiations. The administration has pledged to work with Congress to see that the U.S. fulfills our international obligations under NAFTA while ensuring U.S. labor and environmental standards.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/query.html?charset=iso-8859-1&col=colpics&qt=nafta&st=1

 

[thoughtone]

Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Where was all the support from the young enthusiastic libertarians?

source: MSNBC.com

Long-shot Republican candidate says many victories already achieved


updated 1:07 a.m. ET, Fri., March. 7, 2008
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is hinting to supporters that he is ending his long-shot campaign for the presidency.

The Texas Republican congressman addressed supporters in a 7 1/2-minute video on his campaign Web site Thursday night and did not specifically say he was quitting the race.

Republican frontrunner John McCain already has enough delegates to clinch the party's nomination, and other contenders have dropped out.

Paul said that although victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to the hard work and enthusiasm of his supporters.

He said that he hoped that one day he and his supporters could look back and say his campaign was a significant first step that signaled a change in direction for the country.

Paul said their job now was to plan for the next phase of their effort.

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Nothing scares black people more than the thought of being completely left alone by white people.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Nothing scares black people more than the thought of being completely left alone by white people.

Bo ho!

Especially when those “white” people prevented other “white” people from denying them their civil rights. Paul would bring back the states rights confederacy. Get real!

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Being left alone by white people includes the ones you perceive as having good and bad intentions toward you. The problem isn't that white people hate black people, but that white people can use government to make sure you can't escape their hatred.

Ron Paul was pro-right to hate and anti-using government as an extension of your hate. Which is why the very concept of limited government exist in the first place.

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

ron paul supposedly quit because he isn't an idiot. his life would have been threatened by the elite because he wasn't part of the plan. either he woulda been murdered or he would have been disapeared/suicided or other options. they couldn;t risk him really winning and doing what jfk did and have the country make its own money without the feds and take away some taxes and due away with the fake IRS and tax laws that aren;t real. that would lead to no more black budget in the gub-ment ranks and being they are (elite) in power they couldn;t afford that change. it would be the same fear as if jfk jr ran for pres but he is no longer here.

I don't believe any that. He's quitting because mathematically he can't win. And he never had a chance because he couldn't articulate effectively how and why freedom would be better than what we have now.

He only has notoriety because he was a Republican against the Iraq War, not because he created any kind of pro-freedom movement. The freedom angle only appealled to the crowd that already felt that way. He never had a chance with the onethought kind of crowd.

 

[oneofmany]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

And he never had a chance because he couldn't articulate effectively how and why freedom would be better than what we have now.

I don't view that as a lack of his ability to articulate. From him being banned to enter debates, to the press (MSN, Reuters, AP) not even mentioning him in articles (even in the states he got 2nd place in - totally marginalizing him) Paul was virtually invisible the entire time. Much of that was him being deliberately ignored or shut out. Even when he did enter debates, he often got half or a third of the time as other candidates did. So if Paul got a fair shake and lost, then he has to take it on the chin and try again later. But he was pretty much never taken seriously, so who knows whether he would have done better or worse if given more attention/a better shake.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

You aint lying ron paul may be an undercover racist, but that lil klansman was sayin shyt at the national debates, he had the other candidates looking at him like, what the fuck are you doing..???

they totally ignored every statement he made. And the crowd you KNOW was told to keep silent and NOT respond... you couldnt hear a pin drop....

the parasitic elite was like..... this ol man is fuckin nuts, dont he know what happens to folks who fuck with our hustle.....

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Being left alone by white people includes the ones you perceive as having good and bad intentions toward you. The problem isn't that white people hate black people, but that white people can use government to make sure you can't escape their hatred.

Ron Paul was pro-right to hate and anti-using government as an extension of your hate. Which is why the very concept of limited government exist in the first place.

This is a moot point but, the Civil War wasn’t about slavery and you could have paid Blacks? How do you explain 70 years of post Civil War oppression known as Jim Crow? Some things Ron Paul says are on true, but he is like most whites, oblivious to the realities of how he got to where he is.

[WM]http://www.youtube.com/v/xo6KIusCBoU[/WM]​

 

[D Town Redd]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Well, he got the message out. It's up to the next generation. Man..... we shouldn't have gotten off the gold standard. Look at the dollar now... it's SHIT!

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

This is a moot point but, the Civil War wasn’t about slavery and you could have paid Blacks? How do you explain 70 years of post Civil War oppression known as Jim Crow? Some things Ron Paul says are on true, but he is like most whites, oblivious to the realities of how he got to where he is.

[WM]http://www.youtube.com/v/xo6KIusCBoU[/WM]​

Who do you think those white people were attacking black people with police dogs in the old protest footage? SPOILER ALERT: They were the police. Those weren't just any old white people defending some cultural norm. They were agents of the government enforcing discrimination that was codified because people's idea of what government should be had nothing to do with freedom but instead focused on bullying people.

The average citizen has absolutely no ability to stop you from voting. If that person trying to stop you is successful, then that means the government helped. Either the government turned a blind eye to the law being broken or it's not actually against the law to stop you from voting. In both cases the government is derelict in its duties. Ron Paul stated he was against anyone using government as a bullying tool.

The above example was limited to people who want to argue individuals actually have less rights than they actually have, but an important application of the no-bullying principle includes stopping people from arguing we have more rights than we actually have. You have a right to be free from white people's good or bad intentions being forced upon you, but you don't then have a right to force any of your good or bad intentions on them. Of course, I would argue that anything is a bad intention if it can only be accomplished by forcing it on others.

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

By the way, I recently made a thread about Lincoln writing letters to members of Congress early into the war about whether it would be better to pay $400 per slave rather than keep fighting.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Who do you think those white people were attacking black people with police dogs in the old protest footage? SPOILER ALERT: They were the police. Those weren't just any old white people defending some cultural norm. They were agents of the government enforcing discrimination that was codified because people's idea of what government should be had nothing to do with freedom but instead focused on bullying people.

The average citizen has absolutely no ability to stop you from voting. If that person trying to stop you is successful, then that means the government helped. Either the government turned a blind eye to the law being broken or it's not actually against the law to stop you from voting. In both cases the government is derelict in its duties. Ron Paul stated he was against anyone using government as a bullying tool.

The above example was limited to people who want to argue individuals actually have less rights than they actually have, but an important application of the no-bullying principle includes stopping people from arguing we have more rights than we actually have. You have a right to be free from white people's good or bad intentions being forced upon you, but you don't then have a right to force any of your good or bad intentions on them. Of course, I would argue that anything is a bad intention if it can only be accomplished by forcing it on others.

The law of the land before the civil war was intimation and subjugation of people of African descant and after reconstruction (a period in which the federal government protected the civil rights of people of African descant) the lack of federal government allowed the local government to continue white supremacy. Revisionist history is not a good basis for arguments.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

By the way, I recently made a thread about Lincoln writing letters to members of Congress early into the war about whether it would be better to pay $400 per slave rather than keep fighting.

And your point? It’s a well known fact Lincoln searched every option to maintain the union of the United States to avoid going to war prior to responding to the secessionists actions. He also resisted using Black troops, until Fredrick Douglas convinced him to do so. He even felt that Africans were not truly equal to Europeans. The confederates were simply not going to give up their racist form of society. In fact, the wanted to expand it. The Missouri Compromise, hello! Read history.

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

The law of the land before the civil war was intimation and subjugation of people of African descant and after reconstruction (a period in which the federal government protected the civil rights of people of African descant) the lack of federal government allowed the local government to continue white supremacy. Revisionist history is not a good basis for arguments.

We've never had a "lack of federal government," but we did have a federal government focused on all the wrong shit. If the government focused on protecting freedom like what I outlined above then you would not have any complaints about it as you look back at history.

Since Reconstruction, the government has grown exponentially in budget and influence, but they didn't use that budget and influence to secure rights for the its citizens instead they used it to become more centralized and reward whoever could convince enough lawmaker to buy into their ideas independent of whether it was consistent with liberty. It just so happens that racist are good at lobbying their government as well.

The government hasn't been what it is now since Reconstruction because of the principles Ron Paul advocates. It's that way because of populous, majority rule, winner-take-all, and "will of the people" mentalities that inevitably turns government into nothing more than a bullying tool for the most effective lobbies.

 

[Greed]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

And your point? It’s a well known fact Lincoln searched every option to maintain the union of the United States to avoid going to war prior to responding to the secessionists actions. He also resisted using Black troops, until Fredrick Douglas convinced him to do so. He even felt that Africans were not truly equal to Europeans. The confederates were simply not going to give up their racist form of society. In fact, the wanted to expand it. The Missouri Compromise, hello! Read history.

Why don't you read what you wrote above. I didn't bring up the Civil War, you did. Plus, you brought it up in a way to suggest it was incredulous for Ron Paul to suggest war wasn't the only option or maybe not even the best option. It's not a radical idea to suggest America should have just paid for the slaves to be freed especially if, as Paul said, every other slave nation did it that way. The radical idea in that context is actually war. None of that judges what's right or wrong since all former slave nations have horrible records regarding their attitudes towards Africa afterwards.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

We've never had a "lack of federal government," but we did have a federal government focused on all the wrong shit. If the government focused on protecting freedom like what I outlined above then you would not have any complaints about it as you look back at history.

Since Reconstruction, the government has grown exponentially in budget and influence, but they didn't use that budget and influence to secure rights for the its citizens instead they used it to become more centralized and reward whoever could convince enough lawmaker to buy into their ideas independent of whether it was consistent with liberty. It just so happens that racist are good at lobbying their government as well.

The government hasn't been what it is now since Reconstruction because of the principles Ron Paul advocates. It's that way because of populous, majority rule, winner-take-all, and "will of the people" mentalities that inevitably turns government into nothing more than a bullying tool for the most effective lobbies.

Honestly, it is feudal to argue with someone like yourself. If you don’t know history and don’t understand that when the US government abandoned enforcement of the post civil war rights laws, the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th amendments to the US constitution and pulled out of the former slave holding southern states, leaving the former slaves to the mercy or lack of mercy to the confederate sympathizers, which led to 80 years of apartheid which was called Jim Crow laws than I cannot reason with you. The reasons why the US government pulled out of the south was based on the arguments that the government could not afford to maintain order. Ironically, the corruption of republican president US Grant and his capitulation to big business and the depression of 1873, which is eerily similar to what is going on in the current administration.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: Ron Paul Hints He May Be Quitting Race: Ya Think?

Why don't you read what you wrote above. I didn't bring up the Civil War, you did. Plus, you brought it up in a way to suggest it was incredulous for Ron Paul to suggest war wasn't the only option or maybe not even the best option. It's not a radical idea to suggest America should have just paid for the slaves to be freed especially if, as Paul said, every other slave nation did it that way. The radical idea in that context is actually war. None of that judges what's right or wrong since all former slave nations have horrible records regarding their attitudes towards Africa afterwards.

I read your statement, did you watch the video? Paul brought up the civil war. If all you had to do to have solved the slavery issue in the early US was to pay the slave holders to free their slaves, why wasn’t that tried before slavery was established? Preposterous, statements such as these wouldn’t be so bad for a typical person, but a person with the power to craft laws are scary and dangerous. This is a major reason why he could only get 5% of the republican primary vote, despite his other positive points of views.

 

[MASTERBAKER]

Ron Paul Vs. Condi Rice

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[QueEx]

Re: Ron Paul Vs. Condi Rice

<font size="5"><center>Paul Still Running</font size></center>

By Robert Novak
May 10, 2008


Not only has Rep. Ron Paul's ongoing presidential candidacy continued to record a substantial vote against John McCain in primary elections, but Paul advocates also forced an unprepared Nevada Republican Party establishment to abruptly adjourn last month's state convention in Reno selecting delegates to the national convention. The meeting has not yet been reconvened.

With a majority at the state convention supporting Paul, several national convention delegates pledged to the insurgent candidate were ready to be elected. State Sen. Bob Beers, the state convention chairman, abruptly adjourned the session. He later explained, "We were overtime on our contract for our convention space" and "were paying our stagehands and audio-video technicians overtime."

A footnote: Paul has made clear on several occasions there is no chance that he ever will endorse McCain for president.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/michelle_vetoes_hillary.html

 

[QueEx]

Re: Ron Paul Vs. Condi Rice

<font size="5"><center>Ron Paul plans his own convention</font size></center>

By David Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Maverick GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul has booked an arena in Minneapolis for a "mini-convention" that could steal some of John McCain's thunder just days before he accepts the Republican nomination.

A Paul campaign aide said the Texas congressman hopes to pack about 11,000 supporters into the Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota on Sept. 2, which coincides with the second day of the Republican National Convention at the Xcel Energy Center in neighboring St. Paul.

Paul, 72, will announce details for the rally Thursday at the start of the Texas Republican Convention in Houston.

The campaign hopes the daylong event will "send a message to the Republican Party," Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton tells the Tribune-Review.

"There is a growing surge of people out there just craving" for a return "to traditional American government, limited government that places personal liberty first and places an emphasis on personal responsibility and essentially gets out of the way after that," Benton said. "The buzz we get from supporters is that they are very eager to come to St. Paul and very eager to send a strong message."
McCain spokesman Jeff Sadosky declined comment. Paul has won 35 convention delegates, but was not invited to speak in St. Paul because he refuses to endorse McCain, according to his campaign.

Paul's plan to stage his own event is bad news for McCain, said G. Terry Madonna, a political scientist at Franklin & Marshall College.

"Conventions are about demonstrating unity and purpose and showcasing the nominee. They are media events made for prime-time TV. Any distraction from the central message of the convention is not helpful," Madonna said.

McCain clinched the nomination on March 4 after gaining enough delegates to reach the 1,191 needed to win. Although Paul conceded in March he'd lost his bid for the White House, he's maintained a scaled-down campaign.

Paul, a Green Tree native, surprised most of the political establishment by raising about $35 million, mostly via the Internet. Paul's Libertarian-leaning views created a following across a broad political spectrum.

Paul did not win any primaries or caucuses, but continued to pick up significant votes in key states such as New Mexico and Pennsylvania even after McCain had clinched the nomination.

Jerry Shuster, a political communications expert at the University of Pittsburgh, said Paul's timing for the event is likely to put him in a media spotlight during at least one day of the convention.

Paul's forum probably won't be aimed at hurting the GOP, Shuster said.

"He never seemed to be an open opponent of the Republican Party, but more about what the Republicans need to get back to," Shuster said. "This is a golden opportunity for him to do that. The media is all going to be there so it's just a matter of going down the block to see him.

"You know he's going to get his 15 minutes on national news."


David Brown can be reached at dbrown@tribweb.com or 412-380-5614.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_571996.html

 

[QueEx]

Re: Ron Paul Vs. Condi Rice

<font size="5"><center>Paul ends campaign, launches new group </font size></center>

The Hill
By Andy Barr
June 12, 2008

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has suspended his presidential campaign and is launching a political organization that “will build on the tremendous support his presidential campaign has generated” and aims to help “limited government Republicans.”

In a letter to supporters, Paul pledges to make the new group’s presence “felt at every level of government” and to be “a permanent presence on the American political landscape.”

Paul wrote that he will not be granting his delegates to presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), and promised that his delegates would have a “visible” presence at the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minnesota.

The Texas Republican said his delegates will do whatever they can at the convention “to influence the party and its platform, and return the GOP to its limited-government roots.”

In addition to actions of Paul delegates inside the GOP convention, Paul will be holding a large rally on the second day of the convention to launch as a kick off for his new group, The Campaign for Liberty, at the nearby University of Minnesota.

Paul said he expects 11,000 to travel to St. Paul to attend the rally, nearly a fourth of the roughly 45,000 delegates, alternate delegates, party officials and volunteers the GOP is expecting to host at its convention.

Paul has roughly $4.7 million remaining from the $34.4 million raised during his presidential run that can be invested into his new group.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/paul-ends-campaign-launches-new-group-2008-06-12.html

 

[kwazdog]

Ron Paul on the bailout



i know u many bgolers hate em, lest be hate free today!

 

[kwazdog]

Re: Ron Paul on the bailout

Isn’t it a great feeling…
September 29th, 2008 by Matt Hawes

… to watch the powers-that-be scramble??!!

This feels incredible. That’s the only way I can describe it right now. You called; you wrote; you ACTED. And you WON!

Now the blame game will start. The market is currently dropping, and it will charged that we are responsible for it.

Nonsense.

The market is currently reacting to what just happened, and it remains to be seen what the final effect will be. The key is: despite all the doom and gloom predictions, despite all the threats of the coming apocalypse… we’re still here. The world is still turning. And as more days pass and the world continues to turn, the market may just settle back down.

Another charge that will be levied is that we are responsible for the pain people will feel if the markets go down.

Again, nonsense.

The federal government and the Federal Reserve are responsible for this mess with their excessive regulations, easy credit, and other money and market manipulation schemes. Today’s rejection was a rejection of further worsening the problem with the same intervention that got us to this point. Yes, there will be some pain because of what the government has brought about, but the rejection of further intervention will make sure that that pain isn’t made much, much worse for many more people.

We now need to turn our attention to getting our financial system back on its feet. As C4L President John Tate pointed out in his email last week, it is time to:

1.) End the Bailouts - Congress must revoke the Federal Reserve’s authority to bail out failed businesses at your expense.

2.) Cut Taxes and Curb Regulation - If we really want to stimulate businesses and revive the market, we need to cut corporate and capital gains taxes, spurring investors to come back to the market and making it easier to attract new workers and clients. It is also time to end failed legislation like Sarbanes-Oxley, which has crippled capital markets, diminished our competitiveness, and greatly harmed small businesses.

3.) Reduce Spending - We must freeze all non-entitlement spending by the federal government at current levels and eliminate wasteful spending both domestically and in our trillion-dollar overseas budget. Our debt has to come down, and it won’t until we start living within our means.

4.) Reform the Monetary System - If we are to have long-term economic progress, we must end the system of printing money out of thin air. The current laws limiting the circulation of gold and silver-backed currency must be overturned. We can no longer base our money on the empty promises of bureaucrats that it is sound.

The market will have to adjust, and the nation will have to deal with the effects of what the government has brought upon us, but the answer is not to weaken the dollar, continue to sell our debt and national security to China and Saudi Arabia, and socialize what remains of the American free market.

The posts below have already noted the necessity for you to continue your activities. The Senate will still be working on this issue, and they need to keep hearing from you. The House will almost certainly be voting on this again before the week is out, and now, with all the bad blood, all bets are off for what the next proposal will contain and how many arms will be twisted. (Update - A source on Capitol Hill has informed me that another vote could come as early as Thursday.)

We know that the rhetoric will be soaring, the pressure will be intense, and the mud slinging will fly, but, at least for tonight, we can rejoice that the people rose up and won a fight against the DC establishment.

Now… let’s finish this.

 

[Paul1970]

Re: Ron Paul on the bailout

Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Ron Paul's newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. ("What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!" one newsletter complained in 1990. "We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.") In the early 1990s, newsletters attacked the "X-Rated Martin Luther King" as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours," "seduced underage girls and boys," and "made a pass at" fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy. One newsletter ridiculed black activists who wanted to rename New York City after King, suggesting that "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," and "Lazyopolis" were better alternatives. The same year, King was described as "a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

 

[Mackavellian Nupe]

Are there any Ron Paul supporters on this board?

I know 90% of folks here is on Barack Obama's nuts, but dang! IMHO he ain't all that. He supports the same policies on the whole that McCain does, he just caters to a different constituency and will be willing to toss them a few token favors in exchange for their vote.

I don't care about Obama (nor McCain).

Is there anyone who will vote for Ron Paul (or another 3rd party candidate) on Election Day? Damn whether or not they got a chance of being elected, just are you going to vote for them because you agree with their stance on the issues you find to be most important, and not just because they have the best odds of winning?

Personally, I am going to write in Ron Paul, because I find him to be the most qualified. Any other "protest voters" on here?

 

[Greed]

Re: Are there any Ron Paul supporters on this board?

Not voting is also a protest vote. I didn't always believe that, but this election has changed my mind. I still haven't decided what I will do in November.

 

[INVICTUS3RD]

Re: Are there any Ron Paul supporters on this board?

I too, would vote for Ron Paul, given the chance. I mean, I am caught up some what in the whole historical movement of Obama, but at the end of the day, I fucks with Ron.

Borders, language, cultural and guns, with the right to worship my God, without interference from the Government, is what I am about.

I am against gay marriage. It is an oxy-moron and a mockery of God's 1st institution and I am afraid that when Obama gets in, they are going to make it a Constitutional amendment to allow it.

I am also afraid of gun control.

I want the death penalty for child molestors, cop killers and life terms for people who harm the elderly.

These things Obama, does not support. And that, while I like him, I am also nervous about his Presidency.

But hey, anybody but McCain/Palin.

Time will tell.

 

[QueEx]

Re: Are there any Ron Paul supporters on this board?



The Official Ron Paul Thread
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=226239&highlight=ron+paul



Ron Paul on the bailout
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=308974&highlight=ron+paul



Do you think Obama can win? If not, who will you support?
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=229569&highlight=ron+paul



Calculate Which Candidate Agrees With You
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=199652&highlight=ron+paul


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[Cruise]

Youtube: R. Paul/P. Schiff - The Economy

 

[thoughtone]

Counterfeiters Indicted For Producing Ron Paul "Liberty Dollars"

Libertarians have almost as much comedy as the Republicans!

source: The Hill

Feds indict makers of libertarian currency

A federal grand jury brought indictments Friday against the maker of an obscure currency supported by some libertarians.

The U.S. District Court for Western North Carolina indicted four North Carolinians with conspiracy and counterfeit charges stemming from their manufacturing of so-called "Liberty Dollars."

Liberty Dollars are a private currency based on a gold and silver standard, with a purported exchange rate with the U.S. dollar. Its manufacturers say that the U.S. dollar is unreliable due to the effects of national monetary policy.

The feds unsealed a four-count indictment against the currency's lead architect, Bernard von NotHaus, and three other individuals.

Among other charges, the government alleges the organization "did knowingly and unlawfully utter and pass, and attempt to utter and pass, a coin of silver in resemblance of genuine coins of the United States."

The government also seized the private currency as part of the indictment.

Among the seized coins are the $20 dollar mark produced by the group, which features Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), a libertarian icon and monetary policy critic, on its "heads" side.

 

[Lamarr]

Re: Counterfeiters Indicted For Producing Ron Paul "Liberty Dollars"

Only gold & silver are legal currency, I'll take some of that gold

 

[Cruise]

Re: Counterfeiters Indicted For Producing Ron Paul "Liberty Dollars"

The Federal Reserve doesn't want ANYONE using gold or silver as money. They don't want the Federal Government using gold or silver as money.

The problem with the Liberty dollar is they violated one of the basic tenets of the world financial system --

Thou shalt not use gold and silver in your currency.

Now, if they produced paper currency, redeemable in gold and silver, they wouldn't have broken the law.

 

[QueEx]

Re: Counterfeiters Indicted For Producing Ron Paul "Liberty Dollars"

Librarians

 

[Lamarr]

Ron Paul, Author of `End the Fed,' to Lead Fed Oversight Panel: Bloomberg

Source



Representative Ron Paul, Texas Republican and author of “End the Fed,” will take control of the House subcommittee that oversees the Federal Reserve.

House Financial Services chairman-elect Spencer Bachus, an Alabama Republican, has chosen Paul to lead the panel’s domestic monetary policy subcommittee when Republicans take the House majority next month, the committee chairman said today.

“This is the leadership team that crafted the first comprehensive financial reform bill to put an end to the bailouts, wind down the taxpayer funding of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and enforce a strong audit of the Federal Reserve,” Bachus said in a statement.

Paul, in an interview last week, said he plans a slate of hearings on U.S. monetary policy and will restart his push for a full audit of the Fed’s functions.