shaquille o'neal is TOO fat, TOO slow, TOO old
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TrojansFan said:
*sigh*
armenians have trouble with english, and apparently simple addition too...
when shaquille o'neal left Q1, the heat was down by 5 points...
when shaquille o'neal returned in Q2, the heat was down by 5 points...
shaquille o'neal did not return in Q2, and the heat entered halftime down by 6 points...
do you understand +/- armenian? because that means the heat deficit INCREASED while shaquille o'neal was on the bench...
when shaquille o'neal left Q3, the heat was down by 8 points...
when shaquille o'neal returned in Q3, the heat was down by 13 points with the bulls on the line...
do you understand +/- armenian? because that means the heat deficit INCREASED while shaquille o'neal was on the bench...
and IF you really watched the game, you know that the ONLY reason the Q4 margin expanded was because of the james posey ejection FTs, followed by the antoine walker T and the udonis haslem T...
if you are saying the shaquille o'neal had a bad night, there's no argument. shaquille o'neal had a VERY bad night.
but the heat lost because shaquille o'neal wasn't on the floor and wasn't allowed to develop any rhythm...
you're just mad because it pokes all kinds of holes in your theory about dwyane wade being able to carry the heat on his shoulders...
funny how you seem to overlook that IN SPITE OF shaquille o'neal's poor Q1, the heat were only down by 5 when he left the court... that's just a 2 possession game, son...
isn't the armenian national sport birdwatching or some shit?
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TimRock said:Uhhhhhh, what are you talking about? I haven't posted in this thread in 4 days. You quoted TrojansFan.
I know what happened, you got used to me being the only one arguing with yall on here. Wasn't me bruh.
that's happened twice...
SP, you should be ashamed of yourself... TR is no armenian...
enjoy tonight's game...
cranrab said:*sigh*
armenians have trouble with english, and apparently simple addition too...
when shaquille o'neal left Q1, the heat was down by 5 points...
when shaquille o'neal returned in Q2, the heat was down by 5 points...
shaquille o'neal did not return in Q2, and the heat entered halftime down by 6 points...
do you understand +/- armenian? because that means the heat deficit INCREASED while shaquille o'neal was on the bench...
when shaquille o'neal left Q3, the heat was down by 8 points...
when shaquille o'neal returned in Q3, the heat was down by 13 points with the bulls on the line...
do you understand +/- armenian? because that means the heat deficit INCREASED while shaquille o'neal was on the bench...
and IF you really watched the game, you know that the ONLY reason the Q4 margin expanded was because of the james posey ejection FTs, followed by the antoine walker T and the udonis haslem T...
if you are saying the shaquille o'neal had a bad night, there's no argument. shaquille o'neal had a VERY bad night.
but the heat lost because shaquille o'neal wasn't on the floor and wasn't allowed to develop any rhythm...
you're just mad because it pokes all kinds of holes in your theory about dwyane wade being able to carry the heat on his shoulders...
funny how you seem to overlook that IN SPITE OF shaquille o'neal's poor Q1, the heat were only down by 5 when he left the court... that's just a 2 possession game, son...
isn't the armenian national sport birdwatching or some shit?
What is all this suppose to mean?
It doesn't change the fact that the Heat were -13 with O'Neal on the floor and -6 with him on the bench!
Nothing you said there contradicts what I said which was accurate!!!
So, I'm not sure what the purpose of your reply is.
*yawn*
HOF C and coach agree with me? wow. what a surprise.
'Humiliated' Shaq locks in on ref
/ Associated Press
Posted: 17 hours ago
CHICAGO (AP) - Eight points. Four rebounds. Five fouls. Seven turnovers.
Shaquille O'Neal couldn't believe it, either.
"I'm very, very humiliated," O'Neal said after practice on Friday.
With O'Neal enduring one of his worst playoff games, the Chicago Bulls beat Miami 109-90 on Thursday and cut the Heat's lead to 2-1 in this first-round series. And the Bulls now have a chance to tie it on Sunday afternoon.
"(The players) didn't like last night," Miami coach Pat Riley said. "It was embarrassing. But that's what you deal with. Once you understand what happened, you've got to get on with making those improvements."
What happened on Thursday was as obvious as a Shaq dunk - and the big man had only one in Game 3.
He fell into early foul trouble, spent most of the second quarter on the sideline. Even when he was in the game, O'Neal was a non-factor.
He had just one basket in the first three quarters, scored six meaningless points in the fourth, and barely avoided his career playoff scoring low. O'Neal had seven against Houston two years ago.
The Bulls drove right at O'Neal. On defense, the perimeter players collapsed on him, and they did a better job closing out on their man when O'Neal passed out of the double team.
It added up to 46 free throw attempts for the Bulls and a rough shooting night for the Heat, who were 30-of-72 from the field after hitting half their shots in Games 1 and 2.
"They outplayed us in every category across the boards," Riley said. "Even as well as they played, we had a chance when it was 59-56 if we could have focused for six or seven minutes."
But after Antoine Walker's 3-pointer made it a three-point game in the third quarter, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon responded with back-to-back 3s. And that squashed the Heat.
Then, things got ugly.
Miami's James Posey was called for a flagrant foul two and ejected with 3:15 left in the game after knocking down Kirk Hinrich on a break. On Friday, the NBA suspended Posey for one game without pay. Six seconds after Posey's ejection, Walker and Udonis Haslem got called for technicals.
Riley shot down the notion that his team loses its cool, calling what happened "an aberration." He also said he doesn't expect Posey to be suspended.
But Bulls coach Scott Skiles indicated he should be.
"I thought it was a play that could seriously injure somebody - separate Kirk's shoulder, or something like that," Skiles said. "Now, Kirk didn't get hurt at all and jumped right back up. Sometimes (when) a player lays on the ground and flails around a little bit it seems like the penalties tend to be little bit harsher. Kirk did what I would have done - I would have jumped right back up, too."
Hinrich said the foul "wasn't that big of a deal."
But when asked if Posey deserves a suspension, he responded: "It was obvious he wasn't trying to make a play on the ball or anything like that. I'm not saying he's a dirty player."
A bigger issue for the Heat than Posey's possible absence is getting O'Neal back in rhythm.
"You have to get touches to get rhythm," said O'Neal, who averaged 24.5 points and 11.5 rebounds the first two games.
And he has to stay on the court to get those touches.
O'Neal said referees target him and he knew he was in trouble when he saw Bob Delaney was working Game 3.
Early foul trouble has been a season-long issue for O'Neal, and the 3.9 he committed per game was his highest average since his rookie year. O'Neal picked up his third foul about three minutes into the second quarter and spent the rest of the half on the sideline.
"He's got to be out there on the floor, consistently," Riley said. "Every time he's not, it takes him out of his rhythm. He's got to be more diligent - and we've got to be more diligent - as to the kind of fouls he takes."
And while O'Neal was at a loss to explain the foul problems, Riley spread the blame.
"We have to guard the ball a lot better," Riley said. "And he's got to go to the rim a little more with his blocks."
HOF C and coach agree with me? wow. what a surprise.
'Humiliated' Shaq locks in on ref
/ Associated Press
Posted: 17 hours ago
CHICAGO (AP) - Eight points. Four rebounds. Five fouls. Seven turnovers.
Shaquille O'Neal couldn't believe it, either.
"I'm very, very humiliated," O'Neal said after practice on Friday.
With O'Neal enduring one of his worst playoff games, the Chicago Bulls beat Miami 109-90 on Thursday and cut the Heat's lead to 2-1 in this first-round series. And the Bulls now have a chance to tie it on Sunday afternoon.
"(The players) didn't like last night," Miami coach Pat Riley said. "It was embarrassing. But that's what you deal with. Once you understand what happened, you've got to get on with making those improvements."
What happened on Thursday was as obvious as a Shaq dunk - and the big man had only one in Game 3.
He fell into early foul trouble, spent most of the second quarter on the sideline. Even when he was in the game, O'Neal was a non-factor.
He had just one basket in the first three quarters, scored six meaningless points in the fourth, and barely avoided his career playoff scoring low. O'Neal had seven against Houston two years ago.
The Bulls drove right at O'Neal. On defense, the perimeter players collapsed on him, and they did a better job closing out on their man when O'Neal passed out of the double team.
It added up to 46 free throw attempts for the Bulls and a rough shooting night for the Heat, who were 30-of-72 from the field after hitting half their shots in Games 1 and 2.
"They outplayed us in every category across the boards," Riley said. "Even as well as they played, we had a chance when it was 59-56 if we could have focused for six or seven minutes."
But after Antoine Walker's 3-pointer made it a three-point game in the third quarter, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon responded with back-to-back 3s. And that squashed the Heat.
Then, things got ugly.
Miami's James Posey was called for a flagrant foul two and ejected with 3:15 left in the game after knocking down Kirk Hinrich on a break. On Friday, the NBA suspended Posey for one game without pay. Six seconds after Posey's ejection, Walker and Udonis Haslem got called for technicals.
Riley shot down the notion that his team loses its cool, calling what happened "an aberration." He also said he doesn't expect Posey to be suspended.
But Bulls coach Scott Skiles indicated he should be.
"I thought it was a play that could seriously injure somebody - separate Kirk's shoulder, or something like that," Skiles said. "Now, Kirk didn't get hurt at all and jumped right back up. Sometimes (when) a player lays on the ground and flails around a little bit it seems like the penalties tend to be little bit harsher. Kirk did what I would have done - I would have jumped right back up, too."
Hinrich said the foul "wasn't that big of a deal."
But when asked if Posey deserves a suspension, he responded: "It was obvious he wasn't trying to make a play on the ball or anything like that. I'm not saying he's a dirty player."
A bigger issue for the Heat than Posey's possible absence is getting O'Neal back in rhythm.
"You have to get touches to get rhythm," said O'Neal, who averaged 24.5 points and 11.5 rebounds the first two games.
And he has to stay on the court to get those touches.
O'Neal said referees target him and he knew he was in trouble when he saw Bob Delaney was working Game 3.
Early foul trouble has been a season-long issue for O'Neal, and the 3.9 he committed per game was his highest average since his rookie year. O'Neal picked up his third foul about three minutes into the second quarter and spent the rest of the half on the sideline.
"He's got to be out there on the floor, consistently," Riley said. "Every time he's not, it takes him out of his rhythm. He's got to be more diligent - and we've got to be more diligent - as to the kind of fouls he takes."
And while O'Neal was at a loss to explain the foul problems, Riley spread the blame.
"We have to guard the ball a lot better," Riley said. "And he's got to go to the rim a little more with his blocks."
cranrab said:that's happened twice...
SP, you should be ashamed of yourself... TR is no armenian...
enjoy tonight's game...
I was in InsideHoops Mode: Snapping back at everybody.
O'Neal fined $25,000 for criticizing officials
/ Associated Press
Posted: 19 minutes ago
NEW YORK (AP) - Shaquille O'Neal of the Miami Heat was fined $25,000 by the NBA on Saturday for publicly criticizing officials after Game 3 of the Chicago Bulls' playoff series.
O'Neal had eight points, four rebounds and five fouls in Miami's 109-90 loss to the Bulls on Thursday at the United Center. The Bulls cut the Heat's lead to 2-1 in this first-round series, and have a chance to tie it Sunday afternoon.
After getting into early foul trouble, O'Neal spent most of the second quarter on the sideline. The Heat center had only one basket in the first three quarters, and said after the game he was "humiliated."
O'Neal said referees target him and he knew he was in trouble when he saw Bob Delaney was working the game. He averaged 24.5 points and 11.5 rebounds in the first two games of the playoff series.
/ Associated Press
Posted: 19 minutes ago
NEW YORK (AP) - Shaquille O'Neal of the Miami Heat was fined $25,000 by the NBA on Saturday for publicly criticizing officials after Game 3 of the Chicago Bulls' playoff series.
O'Neal had eight points, four rebounds and five fouls in Miami's 109-90 loss to the Bulls on Thursday at the United Center. The Bulls cut the Heat's lead to 2-1 in this first-round series, and have a chance to tie it Sunday afternoon.
After getting into early foul trouble, O'Neal spent most of the second quarter on the sideline. The Heat center had only one basket in the first three quarters, and said after the game he was "humiliated."
O'Neal said referees target him and he knew he was in trouble when he saw Bob Delaney was working the game. He averaged 24.5 points and 11.5 rebounds in the first two games of the playoff series.
*yawn*
shaquille o'neal hit with some questionable PFs, plays approximately 5 minutes TOTAL in Q2 and Q3 combined, heat goes down by as many as 10 or more...
shaquille o'neal back on the floor in Q4, we got a tied game with 6 minutes to play...
miami has to play the pick and roll as follows:
when hinrich is the ball handler, ALLOW HIM TO PENETRATE and tempt him with the opportunity to finish by cutting off all of his passing lanes... hinrich is on some LAME bobby hurley penetrate and dish shit, not looking to finish...
when ben gordon is the ball handler, WHEN HE PENETRATES, play the shot, because he is looking to take the 1 handed floater from 8 feet out...
NONE of the heat big men (especially udonis haslem and michael doleac) have proven that they know how to SHOW/HEDGE on the pick/roll, so EXPECT the bulls backcourt to penetrate the 1st line of defense...
the heat ARE doing a better job of closing out on bulls perimeter shooters this game though...
shaquille o'neal hit with some questionable PFs, plays approximately 5 minutes TOTAL in Q2 and Q3 combined, heat goes down by as many as 10 or more...
shaquille o'neal back on the floor in Q4, we got a tied game with 6 minutes to play...
miami has to play the pick and roll as follows:
when hinrich is the ball handler, ALLOW HIM TO PENETRATE and tempt him with the opportunity to finish by cutting off all of his passing lanes... hinrich is on some LAME bobby hurley penetrate and dish shit, not looking to finish...
when ben gordon is the ball handler, WHEN HE PENETRATES, play the shot, because he is looking to take the 1 handed floater from 8 feet out...
NONE of the heat big men (especially udonis haslem and michael doleac) have proven that they know how to SHOW/HEDGE on the pick/roll, so EXPECT the bulls backcourt to penetrate the 1st line of defense...
the heat ARE doing a better job of closing out on bulls perimeter shooters this game though...
SpiritualPorn said:
Well, he played slightly better than he did Thursday, but he followed up his worst playoff game ever with another sub-par performance.
SpiritualPorn said:
Are you sure about this? I'm NOT!
TrojansFan said:
It's starting to look less like a lock
GP needs to shut the fuck up
We'll see if the home cooking helps
The Refs are fuckin the playoffs up for me
The Lebron Shuffle.., Fuck this
cranrab said:
Good info as usual Cran
Game 5 Tues
wow. that 4th PF was a phantom foul...
at the same time, shaquille o'neal has had his chances at the line, and MISSED... 2-12 FTAs...
i NEVER thought i'd see the day, but antoine walker is actually TOO SCARED of his own shittiness to shoot... antoine walker has passed up WIDE OPEN looks off double teams from shaquille o'neal where his the nearest defender was AT LEAST 7 feet away... worse still, antoine walker passes up the OPEN look and reverses the ball INTO rotation so the miami heat ended up with a hot potato situation...
antoine walker 3-11 FGAs in 24 minutes...
EDIT: antoine walker is also 4-9 FTAs...
at the same time, shaquille o'neal has had his chances at the line, and MISSED... 2-12 FTAs...
i NEVER thought i'd see the day, but antoine walker is actually TOO SCARED of his own shittiness to shoot... antoine walker has passed up WIDE OPEN looks off double teams from shaquille o'neal where his the nearest defender was AT LEAST 7 feet away... worse still, antoine walker passes up the OPEN look and reverses the ball INTO rotation so the miami heat ended up with a hot potato situation...
antoine walker 3-11 FGAs in 24 minutes...
EDIT: antoine walker is also 4-9 FTAs...
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cranrab said:wow. that 4th PF was a phantom foul...
at the same time, shaquille o'neal has had his chances at the line, and MISSED... 2-12 FTAs...
i NEVER thought i'd see the day, but antoine walker is actually TOO SCARED of his own shittiness to shoot... antoine walker has passed up WIDE OPEN looks off double teams from shaquille o'neal where his the nearest defender was AT LEAST 7 feet away... worse still, antoine walker passes up the OPEN look and reverses the ball INTO rotation so the miami heat ended up with a hot potato situation...
antoine walker 3-11 FGAs in 24 minutes...
EDIT: antoine walker is also 4-9 FTAs...
Oneal is being contained this series.
Walker is streaky.....He just needs to go to the hole everytime.
Wade came back and helped out....on the radio down here Payton gave himself credit for the defensive intensity. ??????????
Game six tonight. Go Heat. Lets hope the refs can let them play.
30,20,5
Yeah,Shaq need to retire.
Tyson Chandler was moving Shaq around in the post like a pimp moves a ho around on the corner.
Shaq really sucks.
Miami would be much better off without him in the middle. They need to start Doleac.
PS:
In honor of Chicago I thought I'd post some BULLShit
Yeah,Shaq need to retire.
Tyson Chandler was moving Shaq around in the post like a pimp moves a ho around on the corner.
Shaq really sucks.
Miami would be much better off without him in the middle. They need to start Doleac.
PS:
In honor of Chicago I thought I'd post some BULLShit
cranrab said:
13-24 FGAs, 30 points, 20 rebounds.
old sloppy bitch.
ooops. old sloppy DOMINANT bitch.
congrats to the miami heat for being winners and closing out the series on the road.
jerry buss = genius
Shaq played very well last night! But he is clearly showing signs of aging when he only dominates like this in 1 out of the last 4 games!!! Even he knows he can't carry that team and told Wade he needed him out there on the floor! Congrats to the Heat for handling their business. (The Lakers damn sure didn't). I wouldn't call Jerry Buss a genius, but he made the right decision. He has Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom (who you say is the Lakers best player) to show for the Shaq trade. Kobe was a free agent, so if he had kept Shaq instead of Kobe he would now have a team headlined by Shaquille O'Neal, Luke Walton, and Devean George... I prefer the team they have now!!!
TrojansFan said:
So when Kobe is below his season avg. then he is slow and old?
STFU... The only bad games Shaq had was when he had to play against the Bulls and the refs.
Quit regurgitating the shit dumped in your throat by stupid ass commentators, many of which are straight jealous of what Shaq has acheived (and on his own terms).
Buss making the right choice?
In your Honest opinion, if Shaq was with LA right now would this be a seven game series?
accolades for shaquille o'neal
Nets plan tag-team defense on Shaq
By Ira Winderman
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
May 6, 2006
A day after Shaquille O'Neal's dominance lifted the Heat into a second-round playoff series against the Nets, New Jersey coach Lawrence Frank put his focus on the most imposing presence in the best-of-7 matchup.
"There's no answer," Frank said Friday at a media briefing at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford, N.J. "No one's stopping Shaq. There is no answer to stop Shaq. That's not how you go into the game."
Frank will have a variety of options in the series that opens Monday at AmericanAirlines Arena, including a small front line with outside-shooting Nenad Krstic and Clifford Robinson playing in tandem. Starting center Jason Collins has been known to fluster O'Neal on occasion with his flopping tendencies.
O'Neal is coming off a 30-point, 20-rebound performance in Thursday's 113-96 series-clinching victory in Chicago.
"It's going to be a tag-team approach against Shaq," Frank said. "I don't know if there's any one guy who plays Shaq great. You just try and throw as many bodies at him."
Shortly after his team was eliminated by New Jersey, Indiana center Scot Pollard agreed that O'Neal could dictate the outcome of Heat-Nets.
"With Miami," he said, "it always revolves around how Shaq plays. If he has a monster series, there's no team that can beat them.
"But he hasn't been phenomenal in the playoffs thus far. Maybe he's saving it up; maybe he doesn't have it. I believe he has it. I think he has it. We'll find out. Their job is to slow [Dwyane] Wade down and hope Shaq doesn't have a good series."
LOOKING AHEAD
Frank downplayed both the Heat's 4-0 sweep of his team in last year's first round, as well as the Nets' 3-1 edge in this season's series.
"You're starting from scratch," he said. "The regular season, it's never apples to apples."
The Nets remain mostly intact from last season's playoffs, while the Heat has overhauled its roster behind O'Neal and Wade.
"We're not going to focus as much on last year as we are going to look at this year," Frank said.
Like the Nets, who returned late Thursday from Indianapolis, the Heat had Friday off after arriving early Friday from Chicago.
EDGE GOES TO ...
Both the Bulls and Pacers exited impressed Thursday, after being eliminated by the Heat and Nets, respectively, in six games.
"If Shaq plays like he did [Thursday], they'll be hard to beat," Bulls forward Luol Deng said.
Pacers forward Stephen Jackson, though, sees flaws with the Heat's perimeter defense.
"The Heat is definitely beatable," he said. "New Jersey is playing well and their guard play is unbelievable."
Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal said it would take active play from the Nets' Richard Jefferson, Jason Kidd and Krstic.
"Miami struggled with Chicago with pick and rolls and stuff, and I know Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson will isolate those guys," he said, "and Krstic is also a great pick-and-pop guy. I'm sure Shaq will have his hands full."
ISOLATED INCIDENT
Heat forward Antoine Walker warned not to make too much of Thursday's halftime spat with Bulls coach Scott Skiles.
Walker, a Chicago native, said Skiles has allowed him to utilize the Bulls' practice facility in the offseason.
"I like Scott Skiles," he said. "He lets me work out at the Berto Center."
Skiles said he was venting because of the Heat's delays during free-throw situations.
"It takes so long for them to line up because one of them is complaining to the official," he said.
Company sues Wade
Wade is being sued by a company that claims he owes more than $150,000 for improvements to a home he and his wife purchased in 2005.
PGS LLC contends in the lawsuit filed in Miami-Dade Circuit Court that Wade and his wife, Siohvaughn, agreed when they bought the house from PGS to pay $100,000 for a series of improvements and additions. The Wades also agreed orally to pay for other work, which came to more than $52,000, according to the lawsuit.
The oral agreement was for work to a fireplace mantel, a shower, a chandelier, railings and pavers on a terrace and an upgrade to the front fence to the home in the tony Miami suburb of Pinecrest. Details on the other work were not given in the PGS lawsuit, which was filed Wednesday.
Nets plan tag-team defense on Shaq
By Ira Winderman
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
May 6, 2006
A day after Shaquille O'Neal's dominance lifted the Heat into a second-round playoff series against the Nets, New Jersey coach Lawrence Frank put his focus on the most imposing presence in the best-of-7 matchup.
"There's no answer," Frank said Friday at a media briefing at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford, N.J. "No one's stopping Shaq. There is no answer to stop Shaq. That's not how you go into the game."
Frank will have a variety of options in the series that opens Monday at AmericanAirlines Arena, including a small front line with outside-shooting Nenad Krstic and Clifford Robinson playing in tandem. Starting center Jason Collins has been known to fluster O'Neal on occasion with his flopping tendencies.
O'Neal is coming off a 30-point, 20-rebound performance in Thursday's 113-96 series-clinching victory in Chicago.
"It's going to be a tag-team approach against Shaq," Frank said. "I don't know if there's any one guy who plays Shaq great. You just try and throw as many bodies at him."
Shortly after his team was eliminated by New Jersey, Indiana center Scot Pollard agreed that O'Neal could dictate the outcome of Heat-Nets.
"With Miami," he said, "it always revolves around how Shaq plays. If he has a monster series, there's no team that can beat them.
"But he hasn't been phenomenal in the playoffs thus far. Maybe he's saving it up; maybe he doesn't have it. I believe he has it. I think he has it. We'll find out. Their job is to slow [Dwyane] Wade down and hope Shaq doesn't have a good series."
LOOKING AHEAD
Frank downplayed both the Heat's 4-0 sweep of his team in last year's first round, as well as the Nets' 3-1 edge in this season's series.
"You're starting from scratch," he said. "The regular season, it's never apples to apples."
The Nets remain mostly intact from last season's playoffs, while the Heat has overhauled its roster behind O'Neal and Wade.
"We're not going to focus as much on last year as we are going to look at this year," Frank said.
Like the Nets, who returned late Thursday from Indianapolis, the Heat had Friday off after arriving early Friday from Chicago.
EDGE GOES TO ...
Both the Bulls and Pacers exited impressed Thursday, after being eliminated by the Heat and Nets, respectively, in six games.
"If Shaq plays like he did [Thursday], they'll be hard to beat," Bulls forward Luol Deng said.
Pacers forward Stephen Jackson, though, sees flaws with the Heat's perimeter defense.
"The Heat is definitely beatable," he said. "New Jersey is playing well and their guard play is unbelievable."
Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal said it would take active play from the Nets' Richard Jefferson, Jason Kidd and Krstic.
"Miami struggled with Chicago with pick and rolls and stuff, and I know Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson will isolate those guys," he said, "and Krstic is also a great pick-and-pop guy. I'm sure Shaq will have his hands full."
ISOLATED INCIDENT
Heat forward Antoine Walker warned not to make too much of Thursday's halftime spat with Bulls coach Scott Skiles.
Walker, a Chicago native, said Skiles has allowed him to utilize the Bulls' practice facility in the offseason.
"I like Scott Skiles," he said. "He lets me work out at the Berto Center."
Skiles said he was venting because of the Heat's delays during free-throw situations.
"It takes so long for them to line up because one of them is complaining to the official," he said.
Company sues Wade
Wade is being sued by a company that claims he owes more than $150,000 for improvements to a home he and his wife purchased in 2005.
PGS LLC contends in the lawsuit filed in Miami-Dade Circuit Court that Wade and his wife, Siohvaughn, agreed when they bought the house from PGS to pay $100,000 for a series of improvements and additions. The Wades also agreed orally to pay for other work, which came to more than $52,000, according to the lawsuit.
The oral agreement was for work to a fireplace mantel, a shower, a chandelier, railings and pavers on a terrace and an upgrade to the front fence to the home in the tony Miami suburb of Pinecrest. Details on the other work were not given in the PGS lawsuit, which was filed Wednesday.
Shaq sure look s old and slow getting out on the perimeter on D then hustling back to the middle. That steal on Vince Carter was a sure sign that he needs to retire.
I hope they can get this to 3-1 on Sunday so he can wrap it up in 5 and rest his old efficent ass .
Buss was right to trade Shaq. Look at how much Miami sucks with Shaq as opposed to Ike Austin.
Good thing we have DWade and JWill to carry the team.
Can't wait til they trade Shaq for that all world NJ Center.
I hope they can get this to 3-1 on Sunday so he can wrap it up in 5 and rest his old efficent ass .
Buss was right to trade Shaq. Look at how much Miami sucks with Shaq as opposed to Ike Austin.
Good thing we have DWade and JWill to carry the team.
Can't wait til they trade Shaq for that all world NJ Center.
that stinkin' bum.
what good is shaquille o'neal anyway?
i mean, he's only averaging 19 points, 8.75 rebounds, 52.6 FG% in ONLY 32 MINUTES PER GAME less than 3 quarters of ball...
and the heat only have a 3-1 lead over new jersey too...
jerry buss is a genius...
where you at, armenian?
what good is shaquille o'neal anyway?
i mean, he's only averaging 19 points, 8.75 rebounds, 52.6 FG% in ONLY 32 MINUTES PER GAME
less than 3 quarters of ball...and the heat only have a 3-1 lead over new jersey too...
jerry buss is a genius...
where you at, armenian?
hmmmm....
let's see, miami heat before shaquille o'neal 42 regular season wins, NO ECF...
miami heat with shaquille o'neal, consecutive 50+ win seasons, consecutive trips to the ECF... possibly farther this season?
we don't really need to review the progress of the fakers w/o shaquille o'neal, do we?
jerry the genius and his good buddy the armenian...
let's see, miami heat before shaquille o'neal 42 regular season wins, NO ECF...
miami heat with shaquille o'neal, consecutive 50+ win seasons, consecutive trips to the ECF... possibly farther this season?
we don't really need to review the progress of the fakers w/o shaquille o'neal, do we?
jerry the genius and his good buddy the armenian...
cranrab said:hmmmm....
let's see, miami heat before shaquille o'neal 42 regular season wins, NO ECF...
miami heat with shaquille o'neal, consecutive 50+ win seasons, consecutive trips to the ECF... possibly farther this season?
we don't really need to review the progress of the fakers w/o shaquille o'neal, do we?
jerry the genius and his good buddy the armenian...
Yeah
Shaq really stunk it up in this series
Motivating teammates to step up,so he can slouch
The ECF? So what
The Lakers have performed waaaaaayyyyy better without him. Ask Jack Nickelson.
Mitch Nutcheck is a genius. Look at how much more motivated Kobe is. He has his team only 3-2 on the Suns.
What.....Oh Thats the Clippers?.......
Never Mind
cranrab said:
Just bumpin this post so we can see who was a more accurate predictor of the actual results
Good work Cran
Kobe=Did he quit on his team?
Shaq=Will his team win the title ?
I need to quit arguing with fools and assume my place with the Illumanati
Scaled Back
As the "last center left," O'Neal doesn't play as much or as powerfully as at 34
By Jerry Crowe
Times Staff Writer
May 27, 2006
MIAMI — The Most Dominant Ever dominates no more.
Not like before, anyway.
Shaquille O'Neal, who averaged career lows of 20 points and 9.2 rebounds during the regular season, is at 19 and 9.3 in the playoffs.
A Detroit columnist this week called him old and fat.
His 34th birthday 2 1/2 months behind him, his conditioning still suspect, the Miami Heat center sits out, on average, more than a third of every game.
Runner-up to Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns in most-valuable-player voting last season, his first with the Heat, O'Neal wasn't even part of the MVP discussion this season, when injuries robbed him of 21 games and his playing time was cut.
"He's definitely choosing his spots more," Ron Harper, O'Neal's former Lakers teammate and now an assistant coach with the Detroit Pistons, said at practice this week. "I mean, he's not the same guy. Father Time caught up to him some. He picks and chooses his spots, but when he wants to do what he wants to do, he's going to do it. He can still score the basketball, and his defense still changes up the game."
In the Eastern Conference finals, knotted at a game apiece going into Game 3 tonight at American Airlines Arena, the Pistons don't even bother to double-team him, even though their center, Ben Wallace, gives away nearly half a foot and probably about 85 pounds to O'Neal.
But that's nothing new.
Two years ago, with Wallace shadowing Shaq, the Pistons ganged up on Kobe Bryant and shocked the Lakers in the NBA Finals. Last year, using the same Shaq-won't-beat-us strategy, they beat the Heat in the Eastern finals.
And yet the Pistons — maybe out of respect or fear of awakening a slumbering giant, or both — still call O'Neal the NBA's most dominant player.
Kind of.
"He can't play 44 minutes, but when he has the energy and don't have the fouls, he can still be in charge of a basketball game," Harper said.
Dwyane Wade may be the focal point of the Heat offense these days, but the attention paid to O'Neal is what opens a clear path to the basket for him.
O'Neal, who signed a five-year, $100-million contract in August, this month was voted onto the All-NBA team for the 14th time in his 14 seasons, a first-team selection for the seventh year in a row.
He led the NBA in shooting percentage for the ninth time, tying a record held by Wilt Chamberlain.
At center, nobody's better.
"I'm the LCL," O'Neal said this week. "The Last Center Left."
He also called himself "the last in the line of Russells and Chamberlains," said he was "one year older and one year sexier" and proclaimed, "Everybody who plays us, they play above their heads. Why? Because of me."
In a few weeks, a fourth championship ring could be his.
Still, things have changed.
O'Neal's physical gifts are not what they once were, nor is his stamina, which led to more time on the bench this season. With former All-Star Alonzo Mourning filling in as a more-than-capable backup, O'Neal averaged less than 31 minutes a game, a career low and about 10 minutes less than he averaged in his MVP season of 1999-2000. Naturally, his scoring and rebounding numbers fell too.
His playing time has increased only fractionally in the playoffs, and, except for a blast-from-the-past 30-point, 20-rebound effort against the Chicago Bulls in the opening round, the three-time NBA Finals MVP has yet to bust out.
He was hampered by foul trouble in the conference semifinals against the New Jersey Nets and, in a refrain familiar to Lakers fans, lamented on the eve of the conference finals the "flopping and falling" of his opponents.
"I thought there would be young guys coming up after me to play the big man's game," he told reporters, "but all they want to do is shoot from the outside. It all seems to be that Dirk Nowitzki-style game. The only guy that comes in on me is Yao Ming, and he's supposed to because he's what, 7-9?"
O'Neal helped the Heat to a fast start in Game 1 against the Pistons but finished with only 14 points and eight rebounds in a 91-86 victory. He sat out most of the fourth quarter when Coach Pat Riley stayed with Mourning to protect the lead.
O'Neal was more productive in Game 2, scoring 21 points and taking 12 rebounds, but it wasn't enough to prevent a 92-88 loss. He averaged 28 points against the Pistons during the regular season, more than he averaged against any other opponent he faced more than once, but the Heat was 1-3 in those games.
"The injuries have definitely lowered his potential, because now, athletically, he can't do," television analyst Hubie Brown, a former NBA coach, said this week. "He doesn't have the second jump now.
"You go back and think of when the Lakers won the three championships. Their strongest suit was that they would … kill you on their offensive board. He can't do that now. Guards lose half a step; big guys lose that second jump. The age and the injuries have curtailed him from that dominance….
"With the second jump, you're going to be taking rebounds six to eight feet from the basket … and that's where he would get all of those extra points. He would dunk, or you would foul him. Now, the foul-shot attempts have decreased — as well as all those gimmes — because he can't get the ball.
"It isn't that he's not working. It's just that he can't do it anymore. He still has game. He's just not as quick, and he doesn't have that same jumping ability."
Still, Brown said, "If you're starting a team, you're taking Shaq and putting him at center. Stop with all these other people, all right?"
The Pistons' ability to effectively cover him with one man, the former coach added, is more a testament to Wallace than an indictment of O'Neal.
"This is the only guy who plays him man to man," Brown said. "This guy is one of the greatest warriors we've ever had play the game…. Against 28 other teams in this league, Shaq's presence demands a double team."
O'Neal still leaves a mark, but his prime is clearly past. His influence is limited, in part because of how he is utilized.
"I think it's better for him because it's better on his body," teammate Gary Payton said of O'Neal's lighter workload. "He's getting into the game fresh all the time. You forget, he's getting to be 34, 35 years old.
"Things slow down."
And dominance diminishes.
As the "last center left," O'Neal doesn't play as much or as powerfully as at 34
By Jerry Crowe
Times Staff Writer
May 27, 2006
MIAMI — The Most Dominant Ever dominates no more.
Not like before, anyway.
Shaquille O'Neal, who averaged career lows of 20 points and 9.2 rebounds during the regular season, is at 19 and 9.3 in the playoffs.
A Detroit columnist this week called him old and fat.
His 34th birthday 2 1/2 months behind him, his conditioning still suspect, the Miami Heat center sits out, on average, more than a third of every game.
Runner-up to Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns in most-valuable-player voting last season, his first with the Heat, O'Neal wasn't even part of the MVP discussion this season, when injuries robbed him of 21 games and his playing time was cut.
"He's definitely choosing his spots more," Ron Harper, O'Neal's former Lakers teammate and now an assistant coach with the Detroit Pistons, said at practice this week. "I mean, he's not the same guy. Father Time caught up to him some. He picks and chooses his spots, but when he wants to do what he wants to do, he's going to do it. He can still score the basketball, and his defense still changes up the game."
In the Eastern Conference finals, knotted at a game apiece going into Game 3 tonight at American Airlines Arena, the Pistons don't even bother to double-team him, even though their center, Ben Wallace, gives away nearly half a foot and probably about 85 pounds to O'Neal.
But that's nothing new.
Two years ago, with Wallace shadowing Shaq, the Pistons ganged up on Kobe Bryant and shocked the Lakers in the NBA Finals. Last year, using the same Shaq-won't-beat-us strategy, they beat the Heat in the Eastern finals.
And yet the Pistons — maybe out of respect or fear of awakening a slumbering giant, or both — still call O'Neal the NBA's most dominant player.
Kind of.
"He can't play 44 minutes, but when he has the energy and don't have the fouls, he can still be in charge of a basketball game," Harper said.
Dwyane Wade may be the focal point of the Heat offense these days, but the attention paid to O'Neal is what opens a clear path to the basket for him.
O'Neal, who signed a five-year, $100-million contract in August, this month was voted onto the All-NBA team for the 14th time in his 14 seasons, a first-team selection for the seventh year in a row.
He led the NBA in shooting percentage for the ninth time, tying a record held by Wilt Chamberlain.
At center, nobody's better.
"I'm the LCL," O'Neal said this week. "The Last Center Left."
He also called himself "the last in the line of Russells and Chamberlains," said he was "one year older and one year sexier" and proclaimed, "Everybody who plays us, they play above their heads. Why? Because of me."
In a few weeks, a fourth championship ring could be his.
Still, things have changed.
O'Neal's physical gifts are not what they once were, nor is his stamina, which led to more time on the bench this season. With former All-Star Alonzo Mourning filling in as a more-than-capable backup, O'Neal averaged less than 31 minutes a game, a career low and about 10 minutes less than he averaged in his MVP season of 1999-2000. Naturally, his scoring and rebounding numbers fell too.
His playing time has increased only fractionally in the playoffs, and, except for a blast-from-the-past 30-point, 20-rebound effort against the Chicago Bulls in the opening round, the three-time NBA Finals MVP has yet to bust out.
He was hampered by foul trouble in the conference semifinals against the New Jersey Nets and, in a refrain familiar to Lakers fans, lamented on the eve of the conference finals the "flopping and falling" of his opponents.
"I thought there would be young guys coming up after me to play the big man's game," he told reporters, "but all they want to do is shoot from the outside. It all seems to be that Dirk Nowitzki-style game. The only guy that comes in on me is Yao Ming, and he's supposed to because he's what, 7-9?"
O'Neal helped the Heat to a fast start in Game 1 against the Pistons but finished with only 14 points and eight rebounds in a 91-86 victory. He sat out most of the fourth quarter when Coach Pat Riley stayed with Mourning to protect the lead.
O'Neal was more productive in Game 2, scoring 21 points and taking 12 rebounds, but it wasn't enough to prevent a 92-88 loss. He averaged 28 points against the Pistons during the regular season, more than he averaged against any other opponent he faced more than once, but the Heat was 1-3 in those games.
"The injuries have definitely lowered his potential, because now, athletically, he can't do," television analyst Hubie Brown, a former NBA coach, said this week. "He doesn't have the second jump now.
"You go back and think of when the Lakers won the three championships. Their strongest suit was that they would … kill you on their offensive board. He can't do that now. Guards lose half a step; big guys lose that second jump. The age and the injuries have curtailed him from that dominance….
"With the second jump, you're going to be taking rebounds six to eight feet from the basket … and that's where he would get all of those extra points. He would dunk, or you would foul him. Now, the foul-shot attempts have decreased — as well as all those gimmes — because he can't get the ball.
"It isn't that he's not working. It's just that he can't do it anymore. He still has game. He's just not as quick, and he doesn't have that same jumping ability."
Still, Brown said, "If you're starting a team, you're taking Shaq and putting him at center. Stop with all these other people, all right?"
The Pistons' ability to effectively cover him with one man, the former coach added, is more a testament to Wallace than an indictment of O'Neal.
"This is the only guy who plays him man to man," Brown said. "This guy is one of the greatest warriors we've ever had play the game…. Against 28 other teams in this league, Shaq's presence demands a double team."
O'Neal still leaves a mark, but his prime is clearly past. His influence is limited, in part because of how he is utilized.
"I think it's better for him because it's better on his body," teammate Gary Payton said of O'Neal's lighter workload. "He's getting into the game fresh all the time. You forget, he's getting to be 34, 35 years old.
"Things slow down."
And dominance diminishes.
cranrab said:
These fuckers are sooo stupid.
Were they soooo upset that they were wrong about Shaq in the LAL trade that they hope he fails so that they will fell vindicated for such an opinion?
Shaq , IMO is playing some of the smartest BBall of his career.
I guess they don't really get much time to watch games so they watch highlights, look at numbers, and write columns and do Around the Horn.
We'll see tonight...for sure.
This writer sounds really scared.
Detroit last 4 years: ECF, Champs, Finals, ECF. Not bad. Better than Jersy.
Whats the problem?
let's see...
dwyane wade with shaquille o'neal has improved his fg%, FTAs, rebounds, assists, and steals...
antoine walker, who made it to the post season only 4 of 9 times before joining the miami heat, finds himself 1 win away from the nba finals...
jason williams is posting CAREER highs in fg%, 3 point fg%, FT% and CAREER low in TOs...
but i forgot... it has NOTHING to do with shaquille o'neal...
who, by the way is ONLY 8-12 FGAs, 21 points, 9 rebounds in only 34 minutes through Q4 of game 4 ECF...
wonder how jerry the genius likes watching the playoffs at home with his $15M pet project player when his franchise could be in the WCF instead...
dwyane wade with shaquille o'neal has improved his fg%, FTAs, rebounds, assists, and steals...
antoine walker, who made it to the post season only 4 of 9 times before joining the miami heat, finds himself 1 win away from the nba finals...
jason williams is posting CAREER highs in fg%, 3 point fg%, FT% and CAREER low in TOs...
but i forgot... it has NOTHING to do with shaquille o'neal...
who, by the way is ONLY 8-12 FGAs, 21 points, 9 rebounds in only 34 minutes through Q4 of game 4 ECF...
wonder how jerry the genius likes watching the playoffs at home with his $15M pet project player when his franchise could be in the WCF instead...
cranrab said:let's see...
dwyane wade with shaquille o'neal has improved his fg%, FTAs, rebounds, assists, and steals...
antoine walker, who made it to the post season only 4 of 9 times before joining the miami heat, finds himself 1 win away from the nba finals...
jason williams is posting CAREER highs in fg%, 3 point fg%, FT% and CAREER low in TOs...
but i forgot... it has NOTHING to do with shaquille o'neal...
who, by the way is ONLY 8-12 FGAs, 21 points, 9 rebounds in only 34 minutes through Q4 of game 4 ECF...
wonder how jerry the genius likes watching the playoffs at home with his $15M pet project player when his franchise could be in the WCF instead...
You're right. He's probably wondering whether or not he should've flown in from LA on his $100 million private jet.
cranrab said:let's see...
dwyane wade with shaquille o'neal has improved his fg%, FTAs, rebounds, assists, and steals...
antoine walker, who made it to the post season only 4 of 9 times before joining the miami heat, finds himself 1 win away from the nba finals...
jason williams is posting CAREER highs in fg%, 3 point fg%, FT% and CAREER low in TOs...
but i forgot... it has NOTHING to do with shaquille o'neal...
who, by the way is ONLY 8-12 FGAs, 21 points, 9 rebounds in only 34 minutes through Q4 of game 4 ECF...
wonder how jerry the genius likes watching the playoffs at home with his $15M pet project player when his franchise could be in the WCF instead...
Shaq sure looked old and slow on that steal-coast-to-coast layup.
Shaq sure looks old when he helps on pick and rolls on the perimeter.
Shaq sure looks old blocking shots.
Jerry Bust and Bitch Suckcheck sure look smart sticking with Kobe to guide the new palyers. Kwame already has a rape investigation going.
Kobe must be watching this feeling like shit.
I really can't believe that people were buying that BS Kobe put in the press about Shaq. Mike Lupica of the SportsReporters trashes Shaq everytine he has a chance. What will they say now?
"Detroit didn't show up"
"Flip doesn't preach defense"
"Sheed is hurting"
"The Pistons are tired"
Everything except that the Pistons HAVE BEEN FRAUDS FROM DAY 1 and Miami is whooping their ASS
One Ring because Kobe decides he would be MVP or lose the series and Detroit was full of themselves. The refs joined in and started giving the Pisstons BS calls on O and not calling their hacking and cheap shots on D.
Its more than obvious that Billups and Hamilton cannot guard either Wade or JWIll so the grab and hack ala Bowen. This is called Defense? Naw.
Flip sucks however he didn't suck three weeks ago when they damn near swept the Bucks. Their arrogance is their undoing. When one is arrogant they don't prepare well. I will agree Flip does not know how to get their minds right. He does not have them focused on the task at hand. All year The Pissed-ons have been talking about the Finals as if they were a lock. Never even mentioned the playoffs. That bench was downgraded.
Whats worse than that is the cheap shots The Piss have been taking on Wade. The Flagrant on Wade could have taken him out the series. Billups tried that shit on Shaq and Shaq slapped him right on the dome. That last Flagrant cheap shot by Hamilton at the end was hoe shit also. Kinda shows you how they have been winning the whole time. Be warned Rip....Riles is the bang em out coach. That will be addressed next game with an elbow when you come of the screen.
Miami will win the next game in Detroit.
TimRock said:Didn't kobe get eliminated like a month ago?
No one likes being wrong...huh?
Kobe and Shaq will always interlocked until Shaq wins with Wade.
I didn't make it this way....The press did....Just like they made Kobe better than Jordan and are trying to do with Lebron.
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TimRock said:
Not you
The press
See article I posted
