Huh?
Malcolm X reformed and challenged the ways of of the NOI once he got back from his trip to Mecca and saw the real Islam. That is when he did arguably his best work because he wasn't bitter and hateful like his younger self.
You Must Learn: HIP-HOP STARTED IN JAMAICA... Not The South Bronx!!!
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Malcolm X reformed and challenged the ways of of the NOI once he got back from his trip to Mecca and saw the real Islam. That is when he did arguably his best work because he wasn't bitter and hateful like his younger self.
Man if you wanna get real, the DIASPORA created hip-hop. The genes that make up hip-hop have been floating around the diaspora for decades, centuries even.
And Im a southerner so I feel what you are saying, but credit where due--it all came together in the BX, NYC.
It didnt STAY there but it was BORN there.
I mean, Michael Jordan was born in Brooklyn, and Tupac in Harlem--it doesnt mean other places cant claim some credit but them two niggas "started" in New York, period.
Just by the fact of you referring to Boot Camp Click as "they" and how some straight Brooklyn MCs (and one of the best rap collectives in the history of rap music next to Wu) should stop copying how "us Americans dressed back in the mid-90's", just invalidates your knowledge of the topic all together.
Fall back. Foolish pride + lack of information = stupidity. Go google your info or read a book or something before you speak.
You whooped yourself with that one my friend. There isn't anything I can say after this. Enjoy the rest of the thread.
Man if you wanna get real, the DIASPORA created hip-hop. The genes that make up hip-hop have been floating around the diaspora for decades, centuries even.
And Im a southerner so I feel what you are saying, but credit where due--it all came together in the BX, NYC.
It didnt STAY there but it was BORN there.
I mean, Michael Jordan was born in Brooklyn, and Tupac in Harlem--it doesnt mean other places cant claim some credit but them two niggas "started" in New York, period.
Let me give my point a bit ore context.
This is from that other ridiculous thread:
Yes, that's a controversial position, but it's not one without merit. In no way am I trying to strip or challenge BX (or NYC) of it's Hip-Hop credentials. I'm only saying that they are not they only ones with Hip-Hop credentials. So noone has to kiss their ass, bow down or show superior respect to them for something that was a collective effort to create. That's all I'm saying.
I'm not even talking about Hip Hop in this thread so who cares. Yall niggaz take Rap too seriously...it's just music to me.
Props on this article, myself and a lady friend were talking about this awhile back.
Do you know who this is?
Peace folks....
First, who the hell cares where hip hop was created? Does it really matter? For arguments sake, can we just agree that there probably wouldn't be anything like what we have known as hip hop over the last 30 years without Jamaica or the Bronx? Strong Jamaican influences....very important.... breeding ground for the actual implementation of the shit... also very important.
As for this Jamaican vs. Black American shit... let's just stop. We all got problems. Yeah, there are a lot of fucked up and lazy black Americans, and as a group, we got to do better... much better. There are also a lot of hard working, strong black Americans. Jamaicans.. yeah, lots of hard working and industrious Jamaicans... but if you think for one seconds that there aren't a lot of lazy fucked up Jamaicans in the world, you gotta be kidding me. Change Jamaica's climate a little bit so that tourism falls off, and what you got down there? As a nation, is it in any better state of being than black America is? Heck, even without taking tourism away, is the island really lighting the world on fire with technology or anything?
As a black American, I'd say that Jamaicans and actually most other groups who have immigrated to the states have a lot to emulate. In general I think people who are determined enough to pick up and move to another country and start over are probably gonna be some hard working mofos. ...but whether it's Jamaica, Haiti, Mexico, Russia etc... you can't use them to judge a whole people, anymore than you can judge a whole people by the worst of what you see of them.
First, who the hell cares where hip hop was created? Does it really matter? For arguments sake, can we just agree that there probably wouldn't be anything like what we have known as hip hop over the last 30 years without Jamaica or the Bronx? Strong Jamaican influences....very important.... breeding ground for the actual implementation of the shit... also very important.
As for this Jamaican vs. Black American shit... let's just stop. We all got problems. Yeah, there are a lot of fucked up and lazy black Americans, and as a group, we got to do better... much better. There are also a lot of hard working, strong black Americans. Jamaicans.. yeah, lots of hard working and industrious Jamaicans... but if you think for one seconds that there aren't a lot of lazy fucked up Jamaicans in the world, you gotta be kidding me. Change Jamaica's climate a little bit so that tourism falls off, and what you got down there? As a nation, is it in any better state of being than black America is? Heck, even without taking tourism away, is the island really lighting the world on fire with technology or anything?
As a black American, I'd say that Jamaicans and actually most other groups who have immigrated to the states have a lot to emulate. In general I think people who are determined enough to pick up and move to another country and start over are probably gonna be some hard working mofos. ...but whether it's Jamaica, Haiti, Mexico, Russia etc... you can't use them to judge a whole people, anymore than you can judge a whole people by the worst of what you see of them.
Marcus Garvey is jamacian
ever heard of Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana)
Patrice Lumumba (Congo)
Toussaint-Louverture (Haiti)
these are all intelligent brave blk men...these men are studied not only by their ppl but also by Malcolm...MLK...W.E.B. Dubois..etc...
have you studied these men...or the brave AA's that respect and study them as well...
do you know Debois is buried in Ghana and Malcolm has been there many times....?
do you know Haiti had the first slave revolt overthrowing Naploeon the so called greatest "war strageist" from the island killing every white man on the damn island...?
son i won't get at you ignorantly...cuz you are misguided...and foolish...read books brotha b4 you talk about BLK PPL on another island or continent...we all blk...all fought against oppression from devils...why knock other blk ppl...?
you probably wish blks in Africa die of AIDS and suffering huh...sad....PM me i'll help you out with some books...
most great AA's that are beloved gain their knowledge from learning about blk ppl abroad not only local...so your rants are foolish...and disrecpect not only all AA's but to all blk ppl worldwide....
the white man continues to win i see....
that's a myth.
The irony is that this same article can be made for the influence of the NOI and 5%er's in hip hop goind directly back to Herc, Bam and Afrika Islam Zulu Nation. There's no shortage of people who sample, make reference to, and outright lace their lyrics with NOI and 5% teaching. And no its not just Wu Tang.
I don't think anybody who's old enough to know would deny Jamacia's influence on hip hop's sound. Herc is from there but half the article talks about KRS because when he came out he didn't camaflouse the influence. In fact people didn't understand WHY he was coming off with that sound but it was clearly dope.
Hip hop pulls influence from many, many different places. Some will say that The Last Poets started rap, others will say that James Brown was the foundation because that's what people sampled and that's what Herc was needle dropping.
This is a good piece for those that don't know about hip hop history and roots.
You cannot own an artform but you can sure as hell own the muhfuckaz that know how to make it!
What you're saying is rubbish. Jews don't own the culture of Hip-Hop.
You're referring to the Rap music industry. Apples and Oranges, homeboy.
That having been said...
my point exactly.
respect for the knowlegde Poet. At the same time, some of my fellow yardies really need to check themselves. Answering ignorance with ignorance is foolishness. This "slave" talk is fuckery. There are only a few places in this world where black people are truly free. Jamaica is not one of them. Independence is an illusion. Neo-colonialism is the reality.
Hip Hop is from the Bronx. Jamaica is one of its roots. Something so simple a cause all dis confusion. Fuckery talk fi go one side.
BTW Mega, the term "black power" was popularized by Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael)who was Trinidadian.
Hip Hop is from the Bronx. Jamaica is one of its roots. Something so simple a cause all dis confusion. Fuckery talk fi go one side.
BTW Mega, the term "black power" was popularized by Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael)who was Trinidadian.
What you're saying is rubbish. Jews don't own the culture of Hip-Hop.
You're referring to the Rap music industry. Apples and Oranges, homeboy.
That having been said...
unfortunetly that is what hip hop in america has been reduced to, an money making industry. i know that the culture still exist, but try telling a 15 year old wannabe hip head that. we leaving hip hop to them and unfotunetly they see hip hop as a hustle instead of an art form.
"hip hop aint dead, but its swimming with a limb" - Redman
there seems to be plenty of that old divide and concur philosophy running through this thread. the government, or should i say colonialism is working at its finest even to this day.
whether you are jamaican or america, we all came from the same continent. AFRICA. get over this tasteless bickering.
americans take certain things from jamaicans and vice versa. at end of the day, africa has the biggest influence on us all, whether you are african-american or jamaican, we are all african, and if you don't believe that, you are undeniably a descendant of africa.
as far as hip-hop is concerned, the golden era, which could range from 86-98, give or take a few years, there were alot of reggae influenced songs, just as there were jazz, funk, house, etc. krs, heavy d, boot camp, bush babies, das efx, a tribe called quest, d.o.c., snoop dog, wu-tang, and many more artists, all used some form of reggae element in their music, and they were all hot.
during this same time, shabba, super cat, terror fabolous, capleton, buju banton, bounty killer, beenie man, chaka demus and pliers, maxi priest, shaggy, and countless other reggae artists were getting mad commercial play. music was real fun back then.
this thread just goes to show the state of OUR music on both ends. while we are fighting over who took whose style, and whose music is better, white corporate heads are pimping both of us, reggae music and hip-hop.
could you imagine the power we would have as a people if we totally controlled hip-hop and reggae.
whether you are jamaican or america, we all came from the same continent. AFRICA. get over this tasteless bickering.
americans take certain things from jamaicans and vice versa. at end of the day, africa has the biggest influence on us all, whether you are african-american or jamaican, we are all african, and if you don't believe that, you are undeniably a descendant of africa.
as far as hip-hop is concerned, the golden era, which could range from 86-98, give or take a few years, there were alot of reggae influenced songs, just as there were jazz, funk, house, etc. krs, heavy d, boot camp, bush babies, das efx, a tribe called quest, d.o.c., snoop dog, wu-tang, and many more artists, all used some form of reggae element in their music, and they were all hot.
during this same time, shabba, super cat, terror fabolous, capleton, buju banton, bounty killer, beenie man, chaka demus and pliers, maxi priest, shaggy, and countless other reggae artists were getting mad commercial play. music was real fun back then.
this thread just goes to show the state of OUR music on both ends. while we are fighting over who took whose style, and whose music is better, white corporate heads are pimping both of us, reggae music and hip-hop.
could you imagine the power we would have as a people if we totally controlled hip-hop and reggae.
Preach brotha...good looks my brotha...
Stokely carmichael now Kwame Toure who was from TRINIDAD...lived in Guinea (Africa)
changed his name after he aided and admired Guinean prime minister Ahmed Sekou Toure...and got Kwame from exiled revolutionary brotha Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana)
plz brothas stop with the hate...all brothas from the island and the states...
ya'll mentioning names like KOOL HERC, GARVEY, X, Debois, BOOKER T...
those are heavy powerful names ya'll mentioning in this thread...you think they would be saying such hateful words to another blk man like that in 2008...?
no way...
have some respect for yourselves, eachother & the brotha's that pass...
Do you know who this is?
I doo woo woo!
I wanted to respond to this thread with my own knowledge, but it's turned into some true drapravity that I don't want to be a part of. I always read every post in a thread before I reply, but the amount of hate and lack of comprehension in this thread is sickening. I had to stop less than 2 pages in.
I'm out.
BTW, Ming, the thread title is a little bit more than misleading, which sparked a lot of this off, not that I condone any of it.
I'm out.
BTW, Ming, the thread title is a little bit more than misleading, which sparked a lot of this off, not that I condone any of it.
What the fuck does Ten know anyway, he grew up thinking Benny Hill was real comedy, Vegemite was actual breakfast food and the Dentist was the bogeyman!
(man Im just fuckin with you Ten, but seriously you need to get your music game up--your little black music map is WAY off-base.)
Yo Ming, you were 1000% on point with your reply to him.
From TK Disco records in Miami, to James Brown in Georgia, to the Last Poets in Harlem, to the Sound Systems in Kingston, to the Capoeristas of Brazil and the Griots of West Africa, it all played a part in hip-hop's formation.
Hip-hop is a child of the Diaspora and like you said, all the elements came together in the BX.
Not misleading at all. Provocative? Yes. Deceptive? No. There's certainly room for interpretation, but it's not a baseless title or claim. IMO
Hahaha but seriously don't you get so mad when you see these cats on here dissing African Americans? I mean for real we're going all the way with this conversation and cats don't understand that I'm only human and so is everyone else. It's not like I was expecting this topic to be a love ballad or anything but it's like everytime I turn around someone is insulting someone else. We need to show each other love, have togetherness, and a devotion to accomplish our goals as a community.
...ok I'll stop now!
Stop the hate we Africans are all one people no matter the country, city, state, color/shade, accent, or other divider. We need to learn to work together.
I remember when I was in school they talked about how Chinese bankroll each other to go to a new place in the world and start business. They pay the money back then when they have money they put money into other Chinese who are starting out in other locations. Until Africans learn to make these kinds of networks we will continue to lose...
We all come from Mother Africa. Hip-hop is a form of the griot tradition. I don't know the details on this debate but I don't care either I can clearly listen to African music and see that Africans in the Americas brought African culture from Mother Africa and created hip-hop, jazz, rock & roll etc. based on our heritage.
I remember when I was in school they talked about how Chinese bankroll each other to go to a new place in the world and start business. They pay the money back then when they have money they put money into other Chinese who are starting out in other locations. Until Africans learn to make these kinds of networks we will continue to lose...
We all come from Mother Africa. Hip-hop is a form of the griot tradition. I don't know the details on this debate but I don't care either I can clearly listen to African music and see that Africans in the Americas brought African culture from Mother Africa and created hip-hop, jazz, rock & roll etc. based on our heritage.
Hahaha but seriously don't you get so mad when you see these cats on here dissing African Americans? I mean for real we're going all the way with this conversation and cats don't understand that I'm only human and so is everyone else. It's not like I was expecting this topic to be a love ballad or anything but it's like everytime I turn around someone is insulting someone else. We need to show each other love, have togetherness, and a devotion to accomplish our goals as a community.
...ok I'll stop now!
I feel you, fam... You already know what it is...
You know, I'm not gonna make anymore negative comments about West Indians. I think I did enough. I was clowning around then I took it to the other level. So I aint gonna clown around no more.
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