Women Accuse Cain

[QueEx]

2 women accused Cain

I sincerely hope this is unfounded. But, if you run for public office, you must
realize that your past will not escape you. Just ask Bill Clinton, and others.


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[QueEx]

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Cain Denies Report Of Sexual Harassment

October 31, 2011


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain's
campaign denied allegations Sunday that he was twice accused of sexual
harassment while he was the head of the National Restaurant Association
in the 1990s.

In a statement to The Associated Press, his campaign disputed a Politico
report that said Cain had been accused of sexually suggestive behavior
toward at least two female employees.

The report said the women signed agreements with the restaurant group
that gave them five-figure financial payouts to leave the association and
barred them from discussing their departures. Neither woman was identified.

The report was based on anonymous sources and, in one case, what the
publication said was a review of documentation that described the
allegations and the resolution.

Cain's campaign told the AP that the allegations were not true, and
amounted to unfair attacks.

"Inside-the-Beltway media have begun to launch unsubstantiated personal
attacks on Cain," spokesman J.D. Gordon said in a written statement.
"Dredging up thinly sourced allegations stemming from Mr. Cain's tenure as
the Chief Executive Officer at the National Restaurant Association in the
1990s, political trade press are now casting aspersions on his character
and spreading rumors that never stood up to the facts."

Asked if Cain's campaign was denying the report, Gordon said, "Yes."

"These are baseless allegations," Gordon said in a second interview later
Sunday evening. "To my knowledge, this is not an accurate story."

Cain plans to continue with several planned appearances in Washington
on Monday. He is slated to discuss his tax plan at the American Enterprise
Institute, appear at the National Press Club and hold a healthcare briefing
on Capitol Hill.

Cain — a self-styled outsider relatively new to the national stage — is
facing a new level of scrutiny after a burst of momentum in the race for the
GOP presidential nomination. He's been steadily at or near the top of national
surveys and polls in early presidential nominating states, competitive with
former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

The former pizza company executive has been pointing to his long record in
business to argue that he has the credentials needed to be president during
a time of economic strife.

In its report, Politico said it confronted Cain early Sunday outside of the CBS
News Washington bureau, where he had just been interviewed on "Face the
Nation."

"I am not going to comment on that," he told Politico when asked specifically
about one of the woman's claims.

When asked if he had ever been accused of harassment by a woman, he
responded, Politico said, by asking the reporter, "Have you ever been
accused of sexual harassment?"

A message seeking comment from Peter Kilgore, listed on the National
Restaurant Association website as its chief legal counsel, was not immediately
returned.




http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141848659

 

[hocjo2626]

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Cain about to learn what politics is all about. Since he touts that he's not a politician, he's about to get educated.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

karl rove is giving cain his wake up calll....

you know rove is whipping this up!!!

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

karl rove is giving cain his wake up calll....

you know rove is whipping this up!!!

As in . . .

According to an article in Salon, Karl Rove finds Republican candidates, other that Mitt Romney, unacceptable and has taken upon himself (a "Campaign Strategist" now parading as a "Media Pundit") to help the "Electable" candidate, (Romney), deal with his more exotic rivals.

Here, Karl Rove attacks Herman Cain, for Mitt Romney:

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More from the Slate article:

Karl Rove has already begun his independent, well-funded campaign to return a Republican to the White House. Any Republican will do, honestly, but he would strongly prefer a somewhat competent and “electable” one, thank you very much. So he’s attacking all the non-Mitt Romney candidates, not because he is under the impression that voters care what Karl Rove thinks, but because he knows that the GOP professionals with a vested interest in winning elections care what Karl Rove thinks.

Rove is very much in a “do I have to do everything myself” mode these days, which is why he’s also running the GOP’s congressional campaign as an independently funded venture. Here he is practically acting as a Romney surrogate on Fox and attacking Herman Cain, because actual Romney surrogates seem unable to.

He’s performed this same service on Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry. He catches flak for trashing the conservative movement darlings, but he really does not care. (Though Rove’s insistence on the Republican Party at least maintaining the illusion of fidelity to the mainstream has strained his relationship with the Koch brothers.)

Romney is not entirely immune to Rove’s attacks: Rove is carefully admonishing the former governor for not attacking public employees unions with enough fervor, but this is done to educate the probable nominee rather than paint him as unacceptable.

Acting like a pundit while actually managing a national political campaign for a well-funded Super PAC seems a bit ethically problematic, but the Wall Street Journal and Fox News obviously don’t really care. Fox needs Rove, too, because after months of dedicating endless airtime to Bachmann and Cain and even Santorum and Gingrich, someone’s got to help the conservative rabble feel comfortable settling for Mitt Romney.

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[joneblaze]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

As soon as he went up in the polls in Iowa this story came out,its like someone said thats about as far as you go.

 

[thoughtone]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

karl rove is giving cain his wake up calll....

you know rove is whipping this up!!!

 

[SPECTRE1]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

Some women are overly-sensitive about sexual harassment on the job. I am seeing men getting fired for staring. You should be able to approach women on the job, however, if they are not interested or find out they are married, than you need to keep it moving.

If I approached you on the job and you run to management with a complaint, I would be the one filing sexual harassment charges. I have a right to seek out a mate for procreation which trumps your harassment claims. Most people meet their wife/husband on the job.

I wish HR would bring me in and fire me for staring at a women on the job!!!

That is the programmed behavior of men when they approach you on the job. Men need to fight back against that crap that is getting out of hand.

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

Some women are overly-sensitive about sexual harassment on the job. I am seeing men getting fired for staring. You should be able to approach women on the job, however, if they are not interested or find out they are married, than you need to keep it moving.

If I approached you on the job and you run to management with a complaint, I would be the one filing sexual harassment charges. I have a right to seek out a mate for procreation which trumps your harassment claims. Most people meet their wife/husband on the job.

I wish HR would bring me in and fire me for staring at a women on the job!!!

That is the programmed behavior of men when they approach you on the job. Men need to fight back against that crap that is getting out of hand.

I've read several articles on this Cain matter and I have yet to read any real details.

Where did you get it that Cain was staring at some women [who] are overly-sensitive about sexual harassment on the job ???

 

[SPECTRE1]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

I've read several articles on this Cain matter and I have yet to read any real details.

Where did you get it that Cain was staring at some women [who] are overly-sensitive about sexual harassment on the job ???

I didn't say that Cain was staring at anybody. Sexual Harassment claims are now being pursued by women for minor things now, impacting the ability of men to meet women in the office.

Somebody else posted that they were fired for staring at the women in the office! Men need to stand up and challenge crap like that, it is getting out of control. I wouldn't purse any monetary, just push back against these minor claims by women.

You aren't firing women for not sleeping with you, posting pornographic pictures on the job, or groping women.

 

[muckraker10021]

Re: 2 women accused Cain


This is serious for cain, because money $$$$$ was paid to the women, with confidentially agreements, to go away. That means that the in house restaurant association counsel deemed the complaints seriously credible; probably with corroborative evidence such as an audio tape. Remember what happened with O'really over at <s>FOX</s> FAKE news. The complaining woman audio taped him basically asking her to fuck him multiple times. She got $10 Million dollars. For cain to totally deny these legal agreements to squash sexual harassment allegations against him ever happened is probably the only card he has to play right now, with him hoping, wistfully, that this story goes away. The tabloid press will dig and most likely we will see images on television soon of the woman who got paid by cains employer the restaurant association to go away. If the woman are white, which I'll make a side wager they are, then cain will be doing some serious tap dancing for his tea bag supporters.

 

[jeanzy5342]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

This is serious for cain, because money $$$$$ was paid to the women, with confidentially agreements, to go away. That means that the in house restaurant association counsel deemed the complaints seriously credible; probably with corroborative evidence such as an audio tape. Remember what happened with O'really over at <s>FOX</s> FAKE news. The complaining woman audio taped him basically asking her to fuck him multiple times. She got $10 Million dollars. For cain to totally deny these legal agreements to squash sexual harassment allegations against him ever happened is probably the only card he has to play right now, with him hoping, wistfully, that this story goes away. The tabloid press will dig and most likely we will see images on television soon of the woman who got paid by cains employer the restaurant association to go away. If the woman are white, which I'll make a side wager they are, then cain will be doing some serious tap dancing for his tea bag supporters.

C/S....... Seriously I hope he's finished. Seeing this clown "Dancing N' Jiggin" for these Rethug HONKYS has run its course...

And YES im baised. IMO Uncle Rukus ( H.Cain ) hasnt said a damn thing about helping the middle class or poor..... Hes not even PRETENDING to give a shit..

 

[jeanzy5342]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

Cain about to learn what politics is all about. Since he touts that he's not a politician, he's about to get educated.

Damn Right....... His O'Ness in 2012 Bruh, 4 more years...!!!!!!

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

Cain rises in Post-ABC poll despite scandal;
most Republicans dismiss allegations​

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By Jon Cohen, Friday, November 4, 6:00 AM




Businessman Herman Cain and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney are running nearly even atop the field of 2012 GOP presidential hopefuls, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows, with most Republicans dismissing the harassment allegations that over the past week have roiled Cain’s campaign.

Seven in 10 Republicans say reports that Cain made unwanted advances toward two employees when he was head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s--allegations which have been stiffly rebutted by Cain’s campaign--do not matter when it comes to picking a candidate.

But the potential threat to his burgeoning campaign is evident as well, with Cain slipping to third place among those who see the charges as serious, and Republican women significantly more likely than men to say the scandal makes them less apt to support Cain.

The poll was conducted Oct. 31 through Nov. 3, starting the evening after Politico first reported the harassment allegations. Support for Cain was basically steady over the four nights of interviewing, even as new charges against him surfaced.

Nearly a quarter of all Republicans and GOP-leaning independents now back Cain as the party’s nominee, his best showing in Post-ABC polls this year, and up significantly from early October. At 23 percent nationally, Cain is neck-and-neck with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (24 percent) atop the GOP field.

“I think [the charges against Cain are] mostly garbage that they throw at people who want to be president,” James Kindsch, from Middleton, Wisconsin, said in a follow-up interview.

“I don’t believe it,” said Paul Bradley from Fishersville, Virginia, adding: “the further in the past they happened, the less accurate they are.”

In the poll, a majority of Republicans -- 55 percent -- see reports of Cain’s alleged misconduct as “not a serious matter,” and 70 percent say the situation makes no difference in their vote.

At the same time, there is clearly a risk to Cain’s campaign should the allegations stick: sizable numbers of Republicans (37 percent) and GOP-leaning independents (42 percent) see the allegations against Cain as serious ones. In this combined group, Romney is well ahead, with 31 percent support. Cain slips numerically into third place, behind Texas governor Rick Perry.

Among the possible beneficiaries of a shift away from either of the two front-runners are Perry, who checks in at 13 percent in the new poll (down from an early September high of 29 percent) and former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who polled at 12 percent, reaching double digits for the first time this fall.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul is at 8 percent, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 4 percent and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman, Jr. and former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum are both at 1 percent.

While Republican men and women have similar views about whether the allegations against Cain represent a serious matter, GOP women are about twice as likely as men to say the whole situation makes them less apt to vote for Cain (25 to 12 percent).

“He’s a homey person,” said Blair Watkins of Raleigh, North Carolina, who leans toward Cain but expressed reservations about the sexual harassment allegations in a subsequent interview: “You need someone who’s coming in with a clean record.”

Although Cain remains a leader in the presidential race, it is unclear whether he would have scored even higher in the new poll absent the allegations. A Quinnipiac poll launched before the scandal broke and ending Monday had Cain at 30 percent among registered voters, up from 17 percent in early October (he also polled at 17 percent in a Post-ABC poll in early October).

Among registered voters in the new Post-ABC poll, Cain is at 23 percent, just as he is among all Republicans and GOP-leaning independents. (Romney is at 25 percent among registered voters.)

One shift in Cain’s support over the past month may help him build momentum: his base has has diversified, extending to non-tea party Republicans. The businessman leads Romney among strong tea party backers, but his support has jumped from 1 percent to 14 percent over the past month among those who do not support the movement.

In a sign of potential uncertainty ahead, however, just 27 percent of Cain’s supporters say they will definitely vote for him. A similarly low number of Romney’s supporters-- 28 percent -- say they are certain to stick with their choice.

A total of 1,004 telephone interviews were conducted, including a sample of 438 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents. The margin of sampling error for this smaller sample is plus or minus 5.5 percentage points.

Polling manager Peyton M. Craighill and polling analyst Scott Clement contributed to this report.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ions/2011/11/04/gIQApcgSlM_story.html?hpid=z1

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain


Herman Cain’s use of race card to deflect
sexual harassment charges is unseemlyhttp://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...emly-article-1.972003?localLinksEnabled=false

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: Answer the allegations about
what happened at the National Restaurant Association
with facts, not racially inflammatory rhetorical grenades

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain


I just have to say: This a bizarre ass case. Thus far.

• 2 women accuse Cain of inappropriate behavior;

• Then, a third woman joins that allegation;

• Neither woman has revealed themselves; and neither has said what entailed the inapprpriate behavior.

• The women apparently raised the "confidentiality clause" as the reason that they can't come forward with their claims

• But, the National Restuarant Association advised that it would waive the confidentiality so that the women could come forward

• One woman then comes out, through her attorney, and says she stands by her claims (what fucking claim?) that Cain acted inapprpriately; but, she doesn't want to reveal her identity. - Like why the fuck is she even speaking

I don't really care for Cain, especially after all of his "cooning" - - and that ignant-ass comment today to the effect that he is the Koch's "brother by another mother".

Nevertheless, I have problems when people can stand in the damn shadows, throw rocks, and try to hide their damn hands. AND, the media (and I really think it should be chided on this one) picks up what can only be described as unuttered, unsubstantiated and just unspecified allegations and ride them like someone has actually said something.

Now, Cain's "I can't remember, oh yeah it was . . . bullshit" at the very least displays his lack of sophistication in handling anything more complicated than mopping up the grease from an errant slice of pizza on the floor - - but I don't believe that Cain, or anyone else should be taken to task or held out to dry for mere innuendo.

Either come-the-fuck-forward with the evidence; or shut the fuck up.

Pardon my french.

In fact, I think that the innuendo as in this case should be the basis for defamation of character -- if the accuser does not come forward. But, on the other hand, if sued the accuser could always come-out then and tell-all - - because truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

 

[muckraker10021]

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• 2 women accuse Cain of inappropriate behavior;

AND??

AND??
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Both women who accused cain worked at the same company the NRA (National Restaurant Association) where Cain was the CEO at that time. The incidents occur at different times during Cain’s tenure at NRA, demonstrating that Cain learned nothing from the first sexual harassment accusation and subsequent financial settlement. Cain learning nothing represents hubris & arrogance & entitlement

Cain was asked by RepubliKlan bloggers on March 2011 if he had “Any skeletons in his closet which would come out when opponents did opposition research on him??” Cain lied and said NO. Listen to the audio recording HERE

The two women, in separate instances of sexual harassment claims were paid a total of approximately $80,000. When Cain was asked about whether he as the CEO of the NRA knew about these payments on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News he lied. He said about any payments to women : "At the Restaurant Association – outside of the Restaurant Association, Absolutely Not”…….. A few hours later on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News he recanted, and suddenly remembered the payments. Again hubris & arrogance & stupidity.

A third woman who also worked at the NRA when Cain was CEO says she was sexually harassed by Cain but didn’t file a complaint. She says as one of the other woman has alleged, that Cain invited her to his corporate apartment after business hours; after 9PM. Another NRA employee Chris Wilson said he witnessed an incident behind one of the sexual harassment complaints against Herman Cain. He said : “---everybody knew with the (Cain) campaign that this would eventually come up." Wilson said if the accuser is allowed speak publicly "it'll be the end of his campaign."

Herman Cain's wife — Gloria Cain cancels her scheduled Nov. 4th 2011 appearance on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News. She still might appear on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News at some point in the future — but one might not expect to see or hear from her for a while.

</blockquote>

As the attorney said, for one of the woman who the NRA paid a financial settlement to, in lieu of going to trial to attempt to defend their CEO Mr. Cain, — he said about Mr. Cain multiple sexual harassment accusers — “where there is smoke there is fire.” He is totally correct.

The fact that as-of-now none of the woman has come out of anonymity and placed herself in front of the corporate media’s television cameras is no surprise. There is no upside for her. If she accepts money to tell her Herman Cain harassment story then she would be portrayed as just a paid slut — this was how Anita Hill was portrayed by the republiklan noise machine; even though she receive no money. If she says she is speaking up now, years after incident, because she felt dishonoured when she heard Cain claim no sexual harassment occurred and that the money she received was just severance pay, the corporate media will pillory her to show proof about something that happened at least 12 years ago.

I’m not an attorney but it seems to me that the deal her attorney should of made if the woman was serious about publically debunking Cain’s lies, would have been a full public disclosure of the entire file in the case. Obviously there were depositions taken from many people at the NRA, outside counsel and staff counsel looked at all the evidence gathered and concluded it was best to financially settle for a modest amount rather than go to trial. Put the whole file as a pdf on the internet. Let Cain explain why other NRA employees corroborated the women’s complaint. In my opinion that is what the attorney representing the woman should of negotiated — not just a release of the confidentiality agreement as it pertains to her ability to speak or issue a statement. I agree that the written statement released was weak; but clearly this woman wasn’t ready to go all-the-way and confront the republiklan noise machine (drudge, fake news, brietbart, rush, etc.)

 

[Ruff Ryder]

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[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

AND??
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AND, still innuendo.

Both women who accused cain worked at the same company the NRA (National Restaurant Association) where Cain was the CEO at that time. The incidents occur at different times during Cain’s tenure at NRA, demonstrating that Cain learned nothing from the first sexual harassment accusation and subsequent financial settlement. Cain learning nothing represents hubris & arrogance & entitlement

AND, LOL, no specific allegations . . .

Cain was asked by RepubliKlan bloggers on March 2011 if he had “Any skeletons in his closet which would come out when opponents did opposition research on him??” Cain lied and said NO. Listen to the audio recording HERE

AND, so far, no skeletons have fallen from that closet. If there were actual "Facts" that contradict Cain's earlier statement that there are no skeletons, that statement could be impeached by the contradiction. Even a copy of the "Allegations" (which then would have been unproven facts) could now be used to contradict Cain's earlier statement -- to show he's a liar. It should also be noted that Cain was not asked in the audio recording whether there might be sexual skeletons in his closet and Cain made no statements in the recording regarding same. So, the recording offers little in the way of proof one way or the other -- primarily because if Cain considered the allegations by the women back then to have been complete fabrications, without something more than just innuendo now, there isn't a contradiction.

The two women, in separate instances of sexual harassment claims were paid a total of approximately $80,000. When Cain was asked about whether he as the CEO of the NRA knew about these payments on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News he lied.

He said about any payments to women: "At the Restaurant Association – outside of the Restaurant Association, Absolutely Not”…….. A few hours later on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News he recanted, and suddenly remembered the payments. Again hubris & arrogance & stupidity.

Neither hubris, arrogance or stupidity constitutes sexual harassment.

Make no mistake, there may very well have been sexual harassment or sexually inappropriate conduct -- but, what are the actual allegations? - what are the actual facts? So far, we don't have any. That, to me, is problematic.

A third woman who also worked at the NRA when Cain was CEO says she was sexually harassed by Cain but didn’t file a complaint. She says as one of the other woman has alleged, that Cain invited her to his corporate apartment after business hours; after 9PM.

Of course, this could turn out to be another scene in the movie called Cain's Worse Nightmare, but, the credibility of someone who suddenly makes allegations after 10, 12 years has to be suspect -- and, until we actually hear what she contends is the sexual harassment, the comments by this woman shouldn't be treated as proof of anything.

Another NRA employee Chris Wilson said he witnessed an incident behind one of the sexual harassment complaints against Herman Cain.[/b][/u][/color][/url] He said : “---everybody knew with the (Cain) campaign that this would eventually come up." Wilson said if the accuser is allowed speak publicly "it'll be the end of his campaign."

There could be something to this, if only Chris Wilson, the political consultant whom I understand works for Rick Perry, would say what he saw - and not give us his opinion. I don't give a shit what Chris Wilson's "opinion" might be -- like navels, we all have one.

What are the salacious details??? Otherwise, what we have here is just more, innuendo.

Herman Cain's wife — Gloria Cain cancels her scheduled Nov. 4th 2011 appearance on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News. She still might appear on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News at some point in the future — but one might not expect to see or hear from her for a while.

LOL. Of course, she's not interested in facing this firestorm and I couldn't blame her. Hell, lay low for a while and see where this goes. Evidence, though, that her husband is guilty of sexual harassment or inappropriate coneduct? Purely speculative.

As the attorney said, for one of the woman who the NRA paid a financial settlement to, in lieu of going to trial to attempt to defend their CEO Mr. Cain, — he said about Mr. Cain multiple sexual harassment accusers — “where there is smoke there is fire.” He is totally correct.

Not evidence and never should be considered evidence. The lawyer's job is to represent his client and his words will NEVER be anything else, lest he commits legal malpractice.

The fact that as-of-now none of the woman has come out of anonymity and placed herself in front of the corporate media’s television cameras is no surprise. There is no upside for her. If she accepts money to tell her Herman Cain harassment story then she would be portrayed as just a paid slut — this was how Anita Hill was portrayed by the republiklan noise machine;

How the republican noise machine "attempted" to portray Anita Hill is not my impression nor the impression of the overwhelming number of my colleagues, friends & neighbors of Anita Hill. But beyond that, Anita came forward and because of that, what she had to say was taken seriously by the overwhelming majority at the time, unfortuately though, Clarence's ass was confirmed.

. . . even though she receive no money. If she says she is speaking up now, years after incident, because she felt dishonoured when she heard Cain claim no sexual harassment occurred and that the money she received was just severance pay, the corporate media will pillory her to show proof about something that happened at least 12 years ago.

Seriously Bro, would you for a moment say this is fair if you were the accused ??? I suspect that your position would be, come out with the facts, so that you can deny and/or defend against them, or shut the fuck up.

I’m not an attorney but it seems to me that the deal her attorney should of made if the woman was serious about publically debunking Cain’s lies, would have been a full public disclosure of the entire file in the case. Obviously there were depositions taken from many people at the NRA, outside counsel and staff counsel looked at all the evidence gathered and concluded it was best to financially settle for a modest amount rather than go to trial. Put the whole file as a pdf on the internet. Let Cain explain why other NRA employees corroborated the women’s complaint. In my opinion that is what the attorney representing the woman should of negotiated — not just a release of the confidentiality agreement as it pertains to her ability to speak or issue a statement.

I do settlement agreements where Confidentiality Clauses, (CC's), are employed frequently. Sometimes the "CC" is there to protect the client, especially from the possible wrong doing of one of its officers or employees. On more occassions, however, CC's are placed in the settlement agreement so that others, in unrelated cases, who may come along in the future will not have a barometerof damages (an idea what a client, i.e., a business entity might be willing to pay just to make certain allegations, whether or not true, just go away). In other words, many, many times CC's are there to act as a deterrent to suits -- and mayor may not have any bearing whatsoever upon the actual conduct.


My point here, as it was in my intial post on the subject: either come forward and state your facts or, shut the fuck up. In the true spirit and intent of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, let Citizen Cain face his accusers, as is his right. Or, stop with the innuendo -- its a two-edged sword that swings both ways.

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[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

LOL. He might end up regretting that pic and that sly-looking smile in that campaign ad.

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

My point here, as it was in my intial post on the subject: either come forward and state your facts or, shut the fuck up. In the true spirit and intent of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, let Citizen Cain face his accusers, as is his right. Or, stop with the innuendo -- its a two-edged sword that swings both ways.

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FOOTNOTE:

Lawyers see Cain accusers as free to talkhttp://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1111/Lawyers_see_Cain_accusers_as_free_to_talk.html

The women who accused GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment more than a decade ago have effectively been released from any agreements they signed pledging not to talk about the alleged episodes, according to employment lawyers.

On Friday, the group Cain headed at the time, the National Restaurant Association, agreed to release one of the women from her confidentiality pledge—at least to allow her attorney, Joel Bennett, to release a carefully drafted statetment saying she stood by the charge.

But because Cain has called the charges fabricated and at least in one instance suggested one of his accusers had performance problems at work, the women likely are free to speak out now regardless of whether the assocation formally consents, the attorneys said. And one prominent lawer who handles sexual harassment and discrimination cases said the women could even bring a libel suit against Cain.
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The accusers are now free, to bring it on.



If they do, it will be time to break out the

as the burden will then shift markedly, to Citizen Cain.

 

[actinanass]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

honestly, if Obama can admit he fucked with the cocaine, I'm prepared to not give a fuck about whatever Cain did back in the 90's.

Hell, I didn't give a fuck about Clinton getting his dick sucked by a fat ass intern. So, why would this stop me from supporting Cain?

In fact, this is a non story because without the people actually stepping up out of the "Anonymous" status, how can you expect me to believe what they have to say?

 

[thoughtone]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

honestly, if Obama can admit he fucked with the cocaine, I'm prepared to not give a fuck about whatever Cain did back in the 90's.

Hell, I didn't give a fuck about Clinton getting his dick sucked by a fat ass intern. So, why would this stop me from supporting Cain?

In fact, this is a non story because without the people actually stepping up out of the "Anonymous" status, how can you expect me to believe what they have to say?

Weren't you the one suggesting that someone was going to find an affair in Obama's past that was going to bring him down?

Anonymous? Do you blame her. The way republicans rip up women, in particular Black women, why would she want to be another Anita Hill? Obviously something happened. Hush money was paid.

The difference is, those Democrats were made to explain themselves in the media and public Clinton's transgressions were consensual. Obama and Clinton admitted they did illegal drugs and were questioned about it. Remember, GW did cocaine on a regular basis as well has being more than a casual alcohol drinker without a peep from your type. In fact I would be highly suspicious of any one of that era who attended some sort of college or university claiming they hadn't tried some type of recreational chemical substance. The difference is Cain's supporters stood by him claiming the Liberals are after him (your mentor Limbaugh, will he eat his words) while displaying more of the hypocrisy the so called conservatives are famous for.

 

[muckraker10021]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

My point here, as it was in my intial post on the subject: either come forward and state your facts or, shut the fuck up. In the true spirit and intent of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, let Citizen Cain face his accusers,...

...Seriously Bro, would you for a moment say this is fair if you were the accused ??? I suspect that your position would be, come out with the facts, so that you can deny and/or defend against them, or shut the fuck up.

Cain already faced his accusers, two of them, in the 1990’s via his corporate employer, and in both instances the board of directors of the NRA, their in house counsel & outside counsel decided NOT to go to trial to defend their employee Mr. Cain, their CEO; but rather they decided after discovery to pay both women to go away quietly with a modest financial payoff. Did the NRA board decide to ‘settle’ two individual cases of sexual harassment that were both frivolous and without merit? Theoretically possible but, Not likely.

It should also be noted that Cain was not asked in the audio recording whether there might be sexual skeletons in his closet and Cain made no statements in the recording regarding same. So, the recording offers little in the way of proof one way or the other,

Cain was asked directly; here’s the exact question quote asked by the republiklan blogger <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/herman-cain-in-march-no-skeletons-in-my-closet/" target="_blank"><b><font color="red"><u> from the audio tape </u></font></b></a>;

”Every politician has opposition research folks…what are your competitors going to find in your closet if anything?”

Cain’s answer did not disclose the two sexual harassment settlements during his three year tenure as the CEO of NRA. If you as an attorney (prosecutor or defense) were representing Cain; preparing him for a stint on the witness stand and you asked him to tell you — ‘are there any skeletons in your closet’ — and he omitted to tell you about the two sexual harassment cases settled for $80,000 — would you accept his response of — ’you didn’t ask me about sexual skeletons in my closet’. No, you would call him at a minimum a jerk; and in reality a liar. His omission of something so major would make Bill Clinton’s parsing of the meaning of the word is
— "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. look inconsequential.

How the republican noise machine "attempted" to portray Anita Hill is not my impression nor the impression of the overwhelming number of my colleagues, friends & neighbors of Anita Hill. But beyond that, Anita came forward and because of that, what she had to say was taken seriously by the overwhelming majority at the time,

Anita Hill came forward voluntarily with her account of uncle clarences behavior toward her while she was his subordinate because she felt he was unfit to be a SCOTUS justice. She had an agenda, although she was a Black republiklan herself at the time; her agenda was to stop Clarence from going to SCOTUS. She never filed any sexual harassment suit against him or collected a dime in settlement money. The manner in which the republiklan noise machine portrayed Ms. Hill as “slutty & nutty” in the 1990’s, is indeed germane to how Cain’s two sexual harassment settlement plaintiffs would be attacked by the republiklan noise machine which has grown exponentially since the 1990’s.

Who revealed the information about Cain’s sexual harassment cases?? Just as the republiklan blogger who asked cain about skeletons suggested — it was opposition research by one of his opponents. The two or three woman were silent for at least 12 years they had no agenda; they didn’t go public like Anita Hill. They were living their lives in anonymity.

Where I totally agree with you is that once any of the woman involved in Cain’s sexual harassment settlements decided to validate & corroborate the settled claims in Cain’s sexual harassment cases, they should have been prepared to go-all-the-way and expose themselves publically, regardless of the vicious attack that would come from the republiklan noise machine. As you pointed out the majority of Americans believed Anita Hill’s comments about Clarence were credible. As I said:
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I’m not an attorney but it seems to me that the deal her attorney should of made if the woman was serious about publically debunking Cain’s lies, would have been a full public disclosure of the entire file in the case…. Put the whole file as a pdf on the internet. Let Cain explain why other NRA employees corroborated the women’s complaint. In my opinion that is what the attorney representing the woman should of negotiated — not just a release of the confidentiality agreement as it pertains to her ability to speak or issue a statement.</blockquote>
In any event enough about this Koch brothers sycophant cain. He’s not going to be the RepubliKlan nominee or the VP nominee. Why would cain think, after witnessing how opposition research went through the entire life of Barack Obama going all-the-way back to his kindergarten days, that he would be immune to similar scrutiny including his tenure at NRA. He has demonstrated the same dramatic paucity of knowledge about serious issues such as foreign policy, economics & domestic policy as sarah palin.

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[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain

Cain already faced his accusers, two of them, in the 1990’s via his corporate employer, and in both instances the board of directors of the NRA, their in house counsel & outside counsel decided NOT to go to trial to defend their employee Mr. Cain, their CEO; but rather they decided after discovery to pay both women to go away quietly with a modest financial payoff. Did the NRA board decide to ‘settle’ two individual cases of sexual harassment that were both frivolous and without merit? Theoretically possible but, Not likely.

If we were talking/plotting "How to Take Cain Down Politically", what you're saying might be convincing even if not true. The "fact" is there is NO evidence at this point that Cain faced his accusers or, more appropriately, that his accusers have openly faced him with their allegations. None. Now, if you have a report or whatever to the contrary, then post it. I'm perfectly willing to concede it -- as I'm not offering a defense of Cain, just pointing out that in my humble opinion, character assassination by inuendo, vel non, is wrong.

My dislike for Cain probably equals yours, nevertheless, I know and understand that the axe swings both ways. Today Cain, tomorrow (and there will be a tomorrow just as sure as there is a tomorrow) someone whom I know or respect or support or _____(fill in the blank_____ will in all likelihood face unsupported allegations. Maybe its just feelgood -- maybe I just want to feelgood about my comments for or against someone and I know that even if I don't feelgood, I do feel better when my comments are based on the facts and the reasonable inferences therefrom.

Cain was asked directly; here’s the exact question quote asked by the republiklan blogger <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/herman-cain-in-march-no-skeletons-in-my-closet/" target="_blank"><b><font color="red"><u> from the audio tape </u></font></b></a>;

”Every politician has opposition research folks…what are your competitors going to find in your closet if anything?”

I listened to the recording the first time. The question is broad and ambiguous. What does "in your closet" mean??? Are you certain that everyone who hears that broad question assigns the same meaning to it ??? I'm not grasping at straws here, the question, certainly in a legal setting, is objectionable because one has to guess at what the person asking the question actually means, i.e., does he mean is there an instance where you might have culpable conduct; does he merely mean is there an instance where you've done something embarrassing ??? The answer depends on what the responder feels is culpable, embarrassing, etc.

See next quotes . . .

Cain’s answer did not disclose the two sexual harassment settlements during his three year tenure as the CEO of NRA.

If Cain or any other reasonable person believed that they had not been culpable or caused embarassment or that they had simply not done anything wrong, what would there be to admit ???

The fact that we are discussing this points up the problem here: the proverbial 8 oz glass containing 4 oz of water; you see it half empty, I see it half full. Hence, the question how much water is in the glass is itself, ambiguous and arguably leads to an ambiguous response.

If you as an attorney (prosecutor or defense) were representing Cain; preparing him for a stint on the witness stand and you asked him to tell you — ‘are there any skeletons in your closet’ — and he omitted to tell you about the two sexual harassment cases settled for $80,000 — would you accept his response of — ’you didn’t ask me about sexual skeletons in my closet’. No, you would call him at a minimum a jerk; and in reality a liar. His omission of something so major would make Bill Clinton’s parsing of the meaning of the word is
— "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. look inconsequential.

Well, since I presumed you a response earlier I guess you can presume me one too. But to be precise, I wouldn't have asked they question you posed.

I would sit down in a discussion where I would probe his history. I would listen to his responses and based upon the same I would ask follow-up questions and conduct additional probing. I would pose hyptheticals, situationals and what ifs; I would let the client know how a thing he perceives as trivial may very well be taken by someone else as serious -- and we would go back through the progressions with that as the backdrop. (thats how you interview a client; you don't just ask open-ended questions that may end up misleading either the lawyer or the client).

Reporters ask reporter questions and many times they are poor questions not well designed to educate them or the public. Reporters ask questons to obtain embarassing responses, etc., that make good copy or news at 6, instead.

Anita Hill came forward voluntarily with her account of uncle clarences behavior toward her while she was his subordinate because she felt he was unfit to be a SCOTUS justice. She had an agenda, although she was a Black republiklan herself at the time; her agenda was to stop Clarence from going to SCOTUS. She never filed any sexual harassment suit against him or collected a dime in settlement money. The manner in which the republiklan noise machine portrayed Ms. Hill as “slutty & nutty” in the 1990’s, is indeed germane to how Cain’s two sexual harassment settlement plaintiffs would be attacked by the republiklan noise machine which has grown exponentially since the 1990’s.

I wouldn't, couldn't and have no desire to dispute the likelihood nor the gravity of the attack of the noise machine. But what is most significant about Anita is, she came forward. I know it was tough and it would be tough for these women as well, but shit is tough. We simply cannot have a system where people can play the gotdamn Wizard of Oz -- making allegations from behind curtains, manipulating the facts, etc., without being subject to direct questions or cross-examination of their facts and allegations. If we allow such a thing, then the 50 states need immediately to repeal their laws relating to defamation of character - since they would no longer be applicable nor practicable.

Who revealed the information about Cain’s sexual harassment cases?? Just as the republiklan blogger who asked cain about skeletons suggested — it was opposition research by one of his opponents. The two or three woman were silent for at least 12 years they had no agenda; they didn’t go public like Anita Hill. They were living their lives in anonymity.

I don't really give 2 shits about their agenda. LOL.

Seriously, if they have to make their allegations public and withstand scrutiny of their alleagations, then it will be up to us, the public, to discern whether or not there is "An Agenda" or whether they are just lying or whether Herman Cain's ass is through.

Where I totally agree with you is that once any of the woman involved in Cain’s sexual harassment settlements decided to validate & corroborate the settled claims in Cain’s sexual harassment cases, they should have been prepared to go-all-the-way and expose themselves publically, regardless of the vicious attack that would come from the republiklan noise machine. As you pointed out the majority of Americans believed Anita Hill’s comments about Clarence were credible. As I said:
<blockquote>
I’m not an attorney but it seems to me that the deal her attorney should of made if the woman was serious about publically debunking Cain’s lies, would have been a full public disclosure of the entire file in the case…. Put the whole file as a pdf on the internet. Let Cain explain why other NRA employees corroborated the women’s complaint. In my opinion that is what the attorney representing the woman should of negotiated — not just a release of the confidentiality agreement as it pertains to her ability to speak or issue a statement.</blockquote>
In any event enough about this Koch brothers sycophant cain. He’s not going to be the RepubliKlan nominee or the VP nominee. Why would cain think, after witnessing how opposition research went through the entire life of Barack Obama going all-the-way back to his kindergarten days, that he would be immune to similar scrutiny including his tenure at NRA. He has demonstrated the same dramatic paucity of knowledge about serious issues such as foreign policy, economics & domestic policy as sarah palin.

Ego? Arrogance? A belief that your own shit doesn't stink?

I could probably come with hundreds of words/statements/sayings that might fit. None may have mattered more to me, however, if he had not acted the buffoon he appears to be.

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain


Fourth Woman Accuses Herman Cain of Sexual Harassment




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CBS News

The fourth woman will come forward later today and accuse Republican
presidential frontrunner Herman Cain of sexual harassment, according to
attorney Gloria Allred.

Allred and the unidentified woman plan to hold a joint press conference
in New York at 1:30 p.m. Eastern time.

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain



a Big-Ass White Woman

Gotdamn Buffoon ! ! !​

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain



Actually, while she appears a little, ahem, thick, she alleges an incident that
occurred 14 years ago and I can see where she might have been an attractive
woman.


She alleges: She was once employed by the Education Foundation of the
National Restuarant Association; she had been terminated; she contacted
Herman Cain for help; she arrived from New Jersey to D.C., to meet with
Cain -- checking into a Holiday Inn; she found that her room had been up-
graded to a luxury room of some kind; Herman Cain admitted that he had
her room upgraded; that she had dinner with Cain; that enroute back to
her hotel, Cain advised that he would take her by the Corporate offices in
D.C., however, instead of doing that, while parked in the car, Cain touched
on the leg, ran his hand up her dress and towards and reached for her genitalia;
and then grabbed/cupped her head, moving it down towards his crouch; she
said that she asked Cain what was he doing, his reply:

You need a job right?

A Stimulus Package ? ? ? ?


The woman's statement sounds to me like something more than sexual
harassment. With the physical contact, this sounds incredibly like ole boy
may have committed an assault.



Mr. Cain, you must respond.


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Them bitches . . .

 

[QueEx]

Re: 2 women accused Cain


Herman Cain's campaign weak-assed reply:

"Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.

All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain's bold "9-9-9 Plan", clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks."


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http://content.usatoday.com/communi.../11/herman-cain-sex-harassment-new-accuser-/1

 

[MASTERBAKER]

***breaking news white woman on news accusing ''CAIN''

HEAD OVER HERE QUICK
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=629662

 

[QueEx]

Re: ***breaking news white woman on news accusing ''CAIN''

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Tonight at 9 ET, CNN's Piers Morgan will talk to Sharon Bialek and her
attorney, Gloria Allred, in a live interview about her sexual harassment
accusation against GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain.

 

[ronmch20]

Given his insensitive political views and "let 'em eat cake" mentality I hope these allegations doom his run and destroy what's left of his dubious credibility.

 

[footloose]

well now,jus what kind of republican will he be with out a sexual harassment charge. he sounds like the real deal to me

 

[SPECTRE1]

This fourth women that is claiming sexual harassment isn't sexual harassment under the law. She wasn't an employee of the National Restaurant Association when this occurred, she had lost her job and wasn't working. She wasn't interviewing for a position. If a women needs a jump on her car, and I request sex for my help, that isn't sexual harassment.

She approached him for help looking for a job, he made a ill-timed sexual advance tied to helping her. This approach might have worked with other women that consented to sex. This story should not have been reported by the media, the other candidates are smearing him to get the nomination...

 

[QueEx]

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