Damn... I didn't read this one before my tirade. Thanks!!!
Wifey v. The Jump Off
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Because sometimes women show all they cards too damn quick Iron. This is what I have been saying the whole time.
We are talking a committed relationship of length right here. If you have thrown every trick you know at a brother in less than a year then you have some potential for growth, but it is very limited.
Take your time is all I'm saying and the relationship will last longer. Give it two or three months of straight lace fucking before you start to give out that fire head. Let him beg you for a month or two before you swallow. Tell dude you don't like it from the back even though you do.
Make the man want you ladies. Because you know he do. If he don't then you shouldn't be there anyway.
I don't fucking understand any of this. What is this, some kind of game to delude some poor sucker that you are someone different than who you are?? I understand that being with someone, you won't show all of your sexual angles off the bat because you don't know what they like. But it sounds like you suggest that you give the impression that you are less experienced than you are? Why????
Now we got some sane conversation. Damn right. Cut this bullshit out, because all that's going to lead to is your tipping out eventually, which is fine for you. However, when SHE decides, well, if he can get some strange pussy I sure as hell could use some new dick cuz he ain't puttin in down that great anyway- THEN you got a real problem.
But if she fucks you exactly how you want to get fucked, do you really care how she learned how to do it?
I didn't bother to read the rest of the comments on the pages before the third page and I hate to know that I'm reiterating facts or statements that someone else dropped in this thread, but there are several reasons for the dichotomy.
These are the reasons I've been given in the past for the separation of spouse and said sex object:
1. In a committed and spousal relationship such as a marriage or even a long courtship, many men don't like the woman they've been indulging in sucking and fucking to kiss their children and interact with them, especially if they know where her mouth has been for the perceived fear that it is a taboo and nasty. They want their children raised by a good, clean mother, and one that deep throats and likes taking it up the poop-shoot isn't exactly on their motherly wish list.
2. The marriage or long lasting relationship might be on its last legs in the sexual department, meaning that the relationship is fulfilling in every other aspect besides that of sexual stimulation. In feeling this way, they have exhausted all possibilities in the bedroom with their significant other and are looking for a spark in that particular department.
3. Some men like the thrill of another woman doing things that their woman at home is scared, refusing, or too timid to do. Instead of teaching or persuading her to do it with possible adversity, he'd much rather find someone who will fulfill his fantasies willingly, even to the extent of paying for said enjoyment.
4. This is just simply put as,"Because new pussy is good pussy!" Sometimes men don't need a reason to go out and find another woman to do all the fucked up and freaky shit that he would like to do to you or has done, other than the fact that he wants to! That's just the way it is sometimes....
Please note, that I don't condone this type of reasoning, just that it exists and is employed daily out in the real world by real men...
These are the reasons I've been given in the past for the separation of spouse and said sex object:
1. In a committed and spousal relationship such as a marriage or even a long courtship, many men don't like the woman they've been indulging in sucking and fucking to kiss their children and interact with them, especially if they know where her mouth has been for the perceived fear that it is a taboo and nasty. They want their children raised by a good, clean mother, and one that deep throats and likes taking it up the poop-shoot isn't exactly on their motherly wish list.
2. The marriage or long lasting relationship might be on its last legs in the sexual department, meaning that the relationship is fulfilling in every other aspect besides that of sexual stimulation. In feeling this way, they have exhausted all possibilities in the bedroom with their significant other and are looking for a spark in that particular department.
3. Some men like the thrill of another woman doing things that their woman at home is scared, refusing, or too timid to do. Instead of teaching or persuading her to do it with possible adversity, he'd much rather find someone who will fulfill his fantasies willingly, even to the extent of paying for said enjoyment.
4. This is just simply put as,"Because new pussy is good pussy!" Sometimes men don't need a reason to go out and find another woman to do all the fucked up and freaky shit that he would like to do to you or has done, other than the fact that he wants to! That's just the way it is sometimes....
Please note, that I don't condone this type of reasoning, just that it exists and is employed daily out in the real world by real men...
i was going to type alot. colin powel style. but you pretty got my thoughts before i could write em. so props. i cosign your book.
This is what i'm saying sort of, but you know a lot of dudes ain't like that.
Now in a marriage? I don't think it's shit a wife should not do for her husband sexually in a marriage.
andey made alot of good points. i wont quote them all but as far as this thread is concerned i'll just cosign most if not all your posts.
It goes both ways. It just depends on the person.
My homegirl likes pussy but she wont tell her man that because she dont want him to look at her funny. So im the lucky recipient of 3somes
If she would tell her man, he would probably be cool with it. the majority of the time people dont tell their other half what they like.
(insert colin powell and skip to the next paragragh if you like)
i think its all psychological, people dont get into relationships when they are wanting to get freaky, they do it when they want stability and stability is nice and normal.
I got a girl we fucked, sex was good, but i wouldnt do anything to push her limits because im thinking she a good girl, she aint down with that shit. So one day she come by we fucking on the couch and she take my hands and put them on her throat. We switch for doggy style, she takes my dig and put it in her ass for our first anal. Been freaks every since. moral of the story you got to let a mufuka no what you like
My homegirl likes pussy but she wont tell her man that because she dont want him to look at her funny. So im the lucky recipient of 3somes
If she would tell her man, he would probably be cool with it. the majority of the time people dont tell their other half what they like.
(insert colin powell and skip to the next paragragh if you like)
i think its all psychological, people dont get into relationships when they are wanting to get freaky, they do it when they want stability and stability is nice and normal.
I got a girl we fucked, sex was good, but i wouldnt do anything to push her limits because im thinking she a good girl, she aint down with that shit. So one day she come by we fucking on the couch and she take my hands and put them on her throat. We switch for doggy style, she takes my dig and put it in her ass for our first anal. Been freaks every since. moral of the story you got to let a mufuka no what you like
wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna-whore_complex
The Madonna/Whore Complex: A Primal Theory Interpretation http://primal-page.com/madonna.htm
There is no one universally used definition of the Madonna/Whore Complex. Usually discussions of this complex revolves around the dichotomy of how some men can view women as two distinct and separate personas, that of saint and sinner, or of mother and whore. The complex can also center around the distinction between sacred love and profane love.
What are the psychodynamics involved when one is unable to become sexually involved with those whom they love and yet are able to became easily aroused with women who are not primary idealized love objects?
Most writers view the the Madonna/Whore Complex as the operation of unconscious dynamics when men view their idealized woman as a non-sexual, sacred love object.
The unconscious fear of incest with the mother is also stressed as a factor of the complex by many psychoanalytic writers. According to Freud, the Oedipus Complex arises in late infancy. He felt it was an inherent stage in the psychological growth of the child. During this time, the boy becomes attached to the mother, the daughter, to the father. Freud believed that the resolution or outgrowth of this attachment is necessary for a normal sexual life. Practically all analytic authors following him stressed the importance of the Oedipus Complex and/or of an over-tenacious psychological hold which the mother has on her son as an important factor in creating the Madonna/Whore complex. Some authors emphasize that this continued fixation by the son on his mother occurs since she was his first love object.
Such fixated sons, some claim, become ardent suitors in adulthood, but when the love object becomes wife and especially mother, unconscious memories of his own abnormally intense relationship with his mother intrude into the relationship. That is when the husband may unconsciously see his wife as his mother and then becomes a reluctant or even impotent lover.
* * *
When one considers the Madonna/Whore Complex from a viewpoint of primal theory, it becomes more reasonable to view the wife, now a mother, triggering in her husband unconscious memories of unmet needs for love from his mother. Rather than having a too close relationship with his mother as an infant he, in fact, was alienated from her. His search for a wife was based on attributes of his mother and having found her, he plays out his early infantile dynamics hoping for the love he had not received as an infant.
Fear of intimacy may develop as a defense against allowing those early hurts to become conscious. In such cases the search for his beloved mother continues through their spousal relationship and is the cause of unrealistic expectations on the part of the husband as he continually but unconsciously searches for his mother in his relationship with his wife.
The act out may continue for a lifetime with resultant mutual recriminations, adultery, divorce and unhappiness to both partners of the marriage. The marriage becomes a battleground as both the husband and the wife unawaredly transfer much of their earlier repressed feelings of hurt, anger and hostility originally directed to their parents, to their spouse.
Thus, both non-sexual and sexual intimacy of the marriage can trigger unconsciousnes memories of that first intimacy, the mother/infant relationship. In order to avoid triggers of such memories, the husband may begin to avoid sex with his spouse. The early infantile trauma may be particularly reactivated when his wife becomes a mother, since it brings into the forefront the repressed memories of his own mother/infant relationship.
It is not that the sexual drive became fixated on the first intimate relationship of his life and that he cannot relinquish the erotic attachment from his mother to his wife, but rather that originally the husband's earlier need for love and security as an infant were not met and the dynamics of that early frustrated relationship seeps into all subsequent relationships, but sometimes especially with his intimate spousal relationship.
Intimacy in the present triggers the repressed memory of the hurt and deprivation of the past. Sexual addiction can be used as an act out -- a way for avoiding anxieties of the repressed feelings, especially since such addictions are characterized by a fear of intimacy -- a hallmark of the sexual addict.
A fear of intimacy can even be traced back to one's birth. If our birth was traumatic and involved feelings of dying in the birth canal, in some cases, we may have an unconscious association of the holding of our lover with the early memories of the painful "touch" of birth. The deeper the feeling of intimacy and attraction the more likely these feelings of wanting to leave may be triggered in those whose early uterine development was painful. Our first nine months of life was a close and intimate contact with our mother.
If that first maternal "touch" during our intrauterine development was painful it can become compounded by memories of fetal death-like memories of suffocation, pressure and nearly dying during actual birth. The holding and touch between lovers can trigger these unconscious needs to get away from the pain being triggered by intimate emotional and physical relationships.
The problem is not the result of the incest barrier, but rather the seeping into consciousness of early frustrated needs, or birth traumas, which renders the husband uninterested and perhaps even impotent. Such men cannot view their wives as sex objects because if they do it would bring up buried feelings of their birth and infantile relationships with their mother. So, in a sense, there is a fixation on the mother by those who are stuck in the dynamics of the madonna/whore complex, but not in the way interpreted in psychoanalytic psychology.
Birth trauma compounds the neediness of the new-born and thus become an important factor in these dynamics. Pre- and peri-natal trauma reinforces, directs, and intensifies this drama -- the lifeblood of soap operas, and of life -- inherent in the Madonna/Whore Complex.
The Madonna/Whore Complex: A Primal Theory Interpretation http://primal-page.com/madonna.htm
There is no one universally used definition of the Madonna/Whore Complex. Usually discussions of this complex revolves around the dichotomy of how some men can view women as two distinct and separate personas, that of saint and sinner, or of mother and whore. The complex can also center around the distinction between sacred love and profane love.
What are the psychodynamics involved when one is unable to become sexually involved with those whom they love and yet are able to became easily aroused with women who are not primary idealized love objects?
Most writers view the the Madonna/Whore Complex as the operation of unconscious dynamics when men view their idealized woman as a non-sexual, sacred love object.
The unconscious fear of incest with the mother is also stressed as a factor of the complex by many psychoanalytic writers. According to Freud, the Oedipus Complex arises in late infancy. He felt it was an inherent stage in the psychological growth of the child. During this time, the boy becomes attached to the mother, the daughter, to the father. Freud believed that the resolution or outgrowth of this attachment is necessary for a normal sexual life. Practically all analytic authors following him stressed the importance of the Oedipus Complex and/or of an over-tenacious psychological hold which the mother has on her son as an important factor in creating the Madonna/Whore complex. Some authors emphasize that this continued fixation by the son on his mother occurs since she was his first love object.
Such fixated sons, some claim, become ardent suitors in adulthood, but when the love object becomes wife and especially mother, unconscious memories of his own abnormally intense relationship with his mother intrude into the relationship. That is when the husband may unconsciously see his wife as his mother and then becomes a reluctant or even impotent lover.
* * *
When one considers the Madonna/Whore Complex from a viewpoint of primal theory, it becomes more reasonable to view the wife, now a mother, triggering in her husband unconscious memories of unmet needs for love from his mother. Rather than having a too close relationship with his mother as an infant he, in fact, was alienated from her. His search for a wife was based on attributes of his mother and having found her, he plays out his early infantile dynamics hoping for the love he had not received as an infant.
Fear of intimacy may develop as a defense against allowing those early hurts to become conscious. In such cases the search for his beloved mother continues through their spousal relationship and is the cause of unrealistic expectations on the part of the husband as he continually but unconsciously searches for his mother in his relationship with his wife.
The act out may continue for a lifetime with resultant mutual recriminations, adultery, divorce and unhappiness to both partners of the marriage. The marriage becomes a battleground as both the husband and the wife unawaredly transfer much of their earlier repressed feelings of hurt, anger and hostility originally directed to their parents, to their spouse.
Thus, both non-sexual and sexual intimacy of the marriage can trigger unconsciousnes memories of that first intimacy, the mother/infant relationship. In order to avoid triggers of such memories, the husband may begin to avoid sex with his spouse. The early infantile trauma may be particularly reactivated when his wife becomes a mother, since it brings into the forefront the repressed memories of his own mother/infant relationship.
It is not that the sexual drive became fixated on the first intimate relationship of his life and that he cannot relinquish the erotic attachment from his mother to his wife, but rather that originally the husband's earlier need for love and security as an infant were not met and the dynamics of that early frustrated relationship seeps into all subsequent relationships, but sometimes especially with his intimate spousal relationship.
Intimacy in the present triggers the repressed memory of the hurt and deprivation of the past. Sexual addiction can be used as an act out -- a way for avoiding anxieties of the repressed feelings, especially since such addictions are characterized by a fear of intimacy -- a hallmark of the sexual addict.
A fear of intimacy can even be traced back to one's birth. If our birth was traumatic and involved feelings of dying in the birth canal, in some cases, we may have an unconscious association of the holding of our lover with the early memories of the painful "touch" of birth. The deeper the feeling of intimacy and attraction the more likely these feelings of wanting to leave may be triggered in those whose early uterine development was painful. Our first nine months of life was a close and intimate contact with our mother.
If that first maternal "touch" during our intrauterine development was painful it can become compounded by memories of fetal death-like memories of suffocation, pressure and nearly dying during actual birth. The holding and touch between lovers can trigger these unconscious needs to get away from the pain being triggered by intimate emotional and physical relationships.
The problem is not the result of the incest barrier, but rather the seeping into consciousness of early frustrated needs, or birth traumas, which renders the husband uninterested and perhaps even impotent. Such men cannot view their wives as sex objects because if they do it would bring up buried feelings of their birth and infantile relationships with their mother. So, in a sense, there is a fixation on the mother by those who are stuck in the dynamics of the madonna/whore complex, but not in the way interpreted in psychoanalytic psychology.
Birth trauma compounds the neediness of the new-born and thus become an important factor in these dynamics. Pre- and peri-natal trauma reinforces, directs, and intensifies this drama -- the lifeblood of soap operas, and of life -- inherent in the Madonna/Whore Complex.
Still makes no sense to me. But doesnt wifey need to do those freaky things in order to keep you from straying??
Amen Sista.... I like the way you think.
LoneStar29
Banned
Let me break it down...
Men have a complex. I'll admit it. All women are ho's except their woman. Their woman is a pristine virgin that has only been touched by them. If she has had sex it was only with one guy who she was in a long term relationship with and us being men just have to accept that and strongly move on.
Now with that being said...if YOU are my woman you should know nothing about all this freaky shit that I want to do. I do this to the "loose" women who will sleep with anybody and are very good at what they do. They are damn near professional!
Now if I were to say ask you to do anal and you don't even squirm? Or if I ask you for oral and you blow my damn mind? Or if I ask you to ride on top and you look like you could win the bullfighting championship 4 years in a row...then I have to rethink that "pristine" shit!
Real talk. Men don't want to accept the fact of a well experienced girl being theirs. This is what your man is trying to tell you.
This is the saddest thing I ever read in my life
It makes alot of sense but is still sadI really don't like the games people playI CONCUR AND RAISE YOU ONE.....
"BEAUTY IS SKIN DEEP, BUT PUSSY IS TO THE BONE!"!
THE LATE, GREAT OLIVER MACK DIED1996
Let me break it down...
Men have a complex. I'll admit it. All women are ho's except their woman. Their woman is a pristine virgin that has only been touched by them. If she has had sex it was only with one guy who she was in a long term relationship with and us being men just have to accept that and strongly move on.
Now with that being said...if YOU are my woman you should know nothing about all this freaky shit that I want to do. I do this to the "loose" women who will sleep with anybody and are very good at what they do. They are damn near professional!
Now if I were to say ask you to do anal and you don't even squirm? Or if I ask you for oral and you blow my damn mind? Or if I ask you to ride on top and you look like you could win the bullfighting championship 4 years in a row...then I have to rethink that "pristine" shit!
Real talk. Men don't want to accept the fact of a well experienced girl being theirs. This is what your man is trying to tell you.
You should be only worried about your wife going to another man vice who she has been with. You can't do anything about who she has been with.
If the pussy is good, why worry about that shit? Since a lot of you idiots worry about who their wife has been with, that makes more pussy available to me.
You should concentrate on those guys not getting more of that pussy you getting now. If you gotta worry about that shit get some therapy or drunk
Right On brother!!!!!
. BUT!!!!
Maybe you are he jump off.
fk that i love a nasty bitch. even bewtter when nobody knows. wife that is all pristine is boring give ne a woman that knows what the fk she is doing.
LoneStar29
Banned
Robeson >>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of the responses in here are silly as hell I'm glad there are brothas who aren't so closed minded around as well though
Some of the responses in here are silly as hell
I'm glad there are brothas who aren't so closed minded around as well though 
Your wife should be everything you want/need in a woman. Or at least 80 percent. This means everything (diva, vixen, bitch, whore, slut, dick-sucker, confidant, lover, and friend).From reading the all the comments from the fellas, it seems that everyone is on different levels of the game. Your woman should be as nasty and freaky as any bitch on some movie so, you don't need no body else unless you going to put the shoe on the other foot. You gotta do like Chris Rock and "turn that old pussy into new pussy."
c/s
I hate that. I'll go all out for my man. ALLLL OUT. As much as I don't want him to get bored I don't want to be bored either.
Let me break it down...
Men have a complex. I'll admit it. All women are ho's except their woman. Their woman is a pristine virgin that has only been touched by them. If she has had sex it was only with one guy who she was in a long term relationship with and us being men just have to accept that and strongly move on.
Now with that being said... if YOU are my woman you should know nothing about all this freaky shit that I want to do. I do this to the "loose" women who will sleep with anybody and are very good at what they do. They are damn near professional!
Now if I were to say ask you to do anal and you don't even squirm? Or if I ask you for oral and you blow my damn mind? Or if I ask you to ride on top and you look like you could win the bullfighting championship 4 years in a row...then I have to rethink that "pristine" shit!
Real talk. Men don't want to accept the fact of a well experienced girl being theirs.
This is what your man is trying to tell you.
What if they made you the experienced girl you are though? So they created a beast and now don't want it??
Still makes no sense to me. But doesnt wifey need to do those freaky things in order to keep you from straying??
People too often think the communication in a marriage is entirely open and honest. In a disproportionate number of cases, that's not true. We (both men and women) conceal things from each other, and sometimes it involves darker desires. We grow to believe it is safer to explore these desires outside the marriage because it is safer to comparmentalize things than be truly open and honest with the one person we truly care about --where the risk of rejection or crticicism would be a devastating blow.
thoughts....? So, is your man refusing to do all the freak ish with you or are you not presenting it to him? Offer it up to him and see how he responds... you may be suprised.
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