Why you shouldn't be caught up in the Dr. Umar madness

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I agree with her points, she ain't hating imo, just telling it like it is.

I think Umar is a great orator, but I've seen a few times where he's bragging about being the no.1 black conscious talking head, or something to that effect. Plus, the shit he was talking towards Boyce was silly imo. This nigga is on some ego shit for real and shit is totally unnecessary.

We shouldn't be making a competition out of helping to save our people.
 
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Caught up? I hadn't heard anything new from or about him in months. There are hundreds of videos of people saying don't fuck with Umar. He's a fraud, bla, bla, bla.
 
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Saw this particular vid close to a month ago.
The points she made are why I don't fuck with this type shit.
He made a vid with 'Kiss & them boys from NowJust/Jersey though :dunno:
 
IMO the brother ain't perfect and neither is anyone else, that's why you never put all your faith and trust in one person. I think people should consider the information and act upon it yourselves. That being said, he has my respect for challenging white supremacy and trying to uplift our people. I can't be too critical because he ain't the one causing strife in our communities.

Lady who made the vid seems like she's looking for a savior. She's telling the man how to manage the platform he created. The example she gave about him not calling her brother back was irresponsible. She don't know that man's schedule, and makes her critique seem somewhat personal.
 
Aint nobody ever met a good person. You know people. People ain't good.

Poor people look for good people.
Submissive people look for good people.

Aint no good people.

There is no slot on a resume for good person.

A person can be a straight asshole if they can get the job done.
 
I tell you the truth...

A black man trying to educate us and mfs wanna hate

I think he makes some very excellent points.What are the topics that some of yall are questioning or not in agreement on.What I gathered was Black pride economic empowerment and independance,knowledge of self ,pan africanism,anti homosexuality.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he talks about. I'm just saying he brags and makes it a competition with other prominent black voices and I think that's bullshit. That's my gripe, he needs to chill on that ego shit. I won't support cats like him because it's immature and their actions can sabotage OUR progress.
 
I personally havent seen it,admittedly im only just gettin up on dude,It is a difference between arrogance and confidence and pride in your acomplishments.Pride is a dangerous beast but from what I have personally heard his message and positive things he has done outweigh any
negative aspects,and like previous poster said noone is perfect.
 
I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he talks about. I'm just saying he brags and makes it a competition with other prominent black voices and I think that's bullshit. That's my gripe, he needs to chill on that ego shit. I won't support cats like him because it's immature and their actions can sabotage OUR progress.

Some of it has to do with that "Prince of Pan-Africanism" talk. But he gets met with derision on a lot of "progressive" black outlets due to his views on homosexuality and feminism.
 
I tell you the truth...

A black man trying to educate us and mfs wanna hate

This is why the community fails . The community gives any man or woman telling the community what they want to hear a platform.

You think the Vanderbilts with railroad long train smoke money would give Alex Jones the time of day? Hell no. If the Vanderbilts were of color hood star , keshia n nem on twitter would call em sell outs cause they didnt wanna fund dude's bullshit ass low rent ponzi scheme. Ive said it numerous times. The poor community of Dr. King's day had character. They wouldnt go for umar nor tariqs bullshit .

If the community picked up brooms, trash bags, cut grass, looked out for kids walking home etc the whole would be better off. We need every section of the community to follow that plan. Forget checking for these snake oil salesmen.
 
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Why is that when you a black man trying to pass on black knowledge and bring black awareness you have to be perfect? I know that Dr Umar isn't perfect nor is his message always the right one. He has his views like everyone else. If you going to find faults, you must also acknowledge his credits. Not everyone who support Dr. King was a Christian neither was everyone a muslin that supported Malcolm X.
 
The idea of working with existing schools as a consultant is a good idea. I hate the idea of using children as test cases for his circuclum, his pan Africanism ideas need to be put to the test
 
Name me one other black man who is spitting knowledge like him and tariq and reachable....name me one

All the rest of them you need to get through 3 layers of security and set up a meeting date 45 days out

I dont agree with everything but i will say this the stuff i agree on is something that i see in my life...
 
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Name me one other blsck man who is spitting knowledge like him and tariq and reachable....name me one

All the rest of them you need to get through 3 layers of security and set up a meeting date 45 days out

I dont agree with everything but i will say this the stuff i agree on is something that i see in my life...

Neely Fuller, Claude Anderson, Boyce Watkins, Dr. Ali Muhammad, Brother Polight, Farrakhan, even Michael Eric Dyson, Cornell West and Roland Martin....we got a lotta bros saying a lotta good things.

All I'm saying is that no one needs to be on ego shit when it comes to the conscious movement. It's like slaves arguing over whose chains are the shiniest.
 
If wanna see change adopt a school, hit up a local jail, teach about resumes fuck giving out old ass books, give em books on tech, bio fuels, hydroponic farming (not growing weed but food in buildings etc. Teach guys how to read etc.

Folk claiming # woke. Lazy asses on rem sleep.
 
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Aint nobody ever met a good person. You know people. People ain't good.

Poor people look for good people.
Submissive people look for good people.

Aint no good people.

There is no slot on a resume for good person.

A person can be a straight asshole if they can get the job done.
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This is why the community fails . The community gives any man or woman telling the community what they want to hear a platform.

You think the Vanderbilts with railroad long train smoke money would give Alex Jones the time of day? Hell no. If the Vanderbilts were of color hood star , keshia n nem on twitter would call em sell outs cause they didnt wanna fund dude's bullshit ass low rent ponzi scheme. Ive said it numerous times. The poor community of Dr. King's day had character. They wouldnt go for umar nor tariqs bullshit .

If the community picked up brooms, trash bags, cut grass, looked out for kids walking home etc the whole would be better off. We need every section of the community to follow that plan. Forget checking for these snake oil salesmen.

So what ideas do you present to fix this problem the black community is facing ? we all would like to know.

Neely Fuller, Claude Anderson, Boyce Watkins, Dr. Ali Muhammad, Brother Polight, Farrakhan, even Michael Eric Dyson, Cornell West and Roland Martin....we got a lotta bros saying a lotta good things.

All I'm saying is that no one needs to be on ego shit when it comes to the conscious movement. It's like slaves arguing over whose chains are the shiniest.

yeah that ego shit I can see you on man, there is no need for that
 
Dr. Umar Johnson is a great motivational speaker but so are many religious leaders and great sales men. It doesn't make them great people with good intentions for their followers. There was always something about this brother that just didn't seem authentic, but, I couldn't really place my finger on what it was. I did a little research about the school he wanted to build and this is what I found.

Umar Johnson has become a professional fundraiser. He had a deadline of August 21, 2014 to purchase St. Paul's College without a clear operational plan, staff, potential students, and other necessities for a school. The projected fundraising goal was five million dollars. The goal was not achieved. What most fundraisers do is to either go to a plan B of using the funds for another projected goal, extending the deadline, or returning the money at the option of donors. Umar chose to switch projects and expand the deadline, at least this is what he told supporters. He has mentioned purchasing other schools but not with the urgency of the original project. Essentially, fundraising has become his means of income. Umar Johnson is not an employed professional or business owner. His means of income is fundraising. This is fraudulent behavior. Fundraising is not for personal income. It is for the fundraising goal. If a percentage of funds goes towards other expenses or not, there should be full transparency. Umar Johnson does not provide his supporters with full transparency. The entire project is questionable because Umar is an individual without any significant educational or organizational leadership. Perhaps if the project was sincere, he would start with a much smaller and manageable school to gain experience. However, if money is the goal, then he would begin where he is now which is fundraising and only fundraising.

A lack of financial transparency leads to suspicion of fraud. Umar Johnson has been questioned and has not provided public financial accounts of expenditures of monies collected and monies spent. He has become angry when questioned around collections, plans, and expenditures such as what had taken place on a radio show with a female caller who was silenced by him and the radio host who quickly went to a break while Umar called the sister a “reactionary” for the questions about a clear plan, transparency, and accountability of funds.

Further, there is no financial plan of sustainability to run the school which he allegedly intends to open. A five million dollar school would have significant budgetary expenditures in salaries and facilities, not to mention the start-up costs alone. Depending on student population, a five million dollar school may very well need more than five million dollars annually to run. Tuition costs would be driven in part by the population of the student body. With 35 buildings at St. Paul's College having over 700 students at one point, tuition may be expected to be approximately 5-10 thousand dollars or more to cover expenditures and salaries if Umar actually opened a school. The problem with Umar is that there is no financial plan or blueprint developed for his fundraising supporters or the public? A lack of financial transparency could mean a few different conclusions. 1. There was never serious intent to purchase and run a school in the first place, only to raise money and reputation build. 2. The money is being used for personal living expenses. 3. This phase of professional fundraising was not carefully thought out and maybe he thinks it’s ok to figure it out along the way which is unsound fiscally. I believe it’s a combination of these and it all adds up to fraud. Education leaders who are successful do not operate by chance or without a clear plan.

There is and never have been a board of trustees, consultants, or advisors. Umar Johnson does not have any experience as a school administrator or educational leader. He is a professional speaker who makes a living from speaking. He has never balanced a school budget, does not understand leadership dynamics, and with this obvious lack of experience, he would need consultants and advisors if he were serious about the project. He would further need a board of trustees which he does not have. The board would provide governance and checks and balances in management. A board would have a president, vice president, treasurer, secretary, and members who would provide organizational leadership and expertise in various areas. Consultants and advisors would provide guidance, questions, and insight based on years of experience and accomplishments. Why not have these important people in your corner with such a project? Unless: 1.Umar only wanted to raise funds for personal gain. 2. He wanted popularity instead of achieving a goal.

An apology is extended to our global readers. It was previously cited as fact that Jermaine Shoemake (aka Umar Johnson) had without doubt earned his doctoral degree from our research team's investigation into the Student Clearinghouse, a third party verification company for degrees. However, that information is not factual. There is no information to date that Jermaine Shoemake (also known as Umar Johnson) earned a Doctor of Psychology (PsyD). There is evidence that an "Umar Johnson" earned this degree but evidence shows this was not Jermaine Shoemake. The research team, led by the excellent Sister Chantell Beaty in this area, has turned up evidence that there is possibly two different people. There is verified evidence that someone named "Umar R. Abdullah-Johnson" earned a Doctor of Psychology in 2012. However, there is no evidence that Jermaine Shoemake ( also known as Umar Johnson, the public speaker) earned this degree PsyD in 2012 or any other year.

This section originally stated the following:

"Dr. Johnson has the credentials which he states in public which are doubted by many in the community. Dr. Umar Johnson has an Administrative I principal certification, a certification for school psychology according to the Pennsylvania Department of Education: (http://www.teachercertification.pa.gov/Screens/wfSearchEducators.aspx). He earned a Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) in clinical psychology from the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine (PCOM).., under the name of Umar Rashad Abdullah-Johnson."

The research team, in this area under the excellent leadership of Sister Chantell Beatey will be releasing new information, fact based and backed by more evidence that is undeniable, Again, an apology goes out to all of our readers for unintentionally misleading of the public into thinking the PsyD of Umar had been confirmed when in fact it has not. Umar Johnson (also known as Jermaine Shoemake) has not provided proof to date that he is "Dr. Umar Johnson" or that he has a Doctor of Psychology. The only evidence of an Umar Johnson receiving the degree is from 2012, years after the Umar in question began calling himself "Dr. Umar Johnson". As an important investigatory note, Jermaine Shoemake had been calling himself Dr. Umar Johnson for at least a couple of years before 2012 when the degree was received. Also, it should be noted that PCOM removed the PDF of the dissertation after this essay went public. Yet still, the dissertation may be associated with another Umar. Either way, he lied to his followers up to 2012 or he never earned the degree at all. Both are fraudulent acts. If Umar Johnson is THE Dr. Umar Rashad Abdullah-Johnson who earned the degree in 2012, why did he say he had it years before it was awarded? He can easily provide evidence by posting his transcripts, diploma, dissertation, and proof of ID to these documents. To date, he has not provided any of this information. This fact stands as proof of fraud by Umar.

Umar is not as original as he claims. He states that he is the only Black Psychologist to conduct psychological research on Black children and racism. He claims that no leaders are doing what he does! He is in essence discrediting an entire movement for his own purpose of reputation building. Umar states that he is a certified school psychologist and certified school principal, and has a private practice in Philadelphia Pennsylvania where he evaluates children for special education disability determination. He allegedly works with charter schools, public schools, superintendents, principals, special education attorneys, and advocate groups. He is founder of an advocacy parent group, The National Independent Black Parent Association. Umar states that he has written the only book ever written by a black school psychologist. This claim is fraudulent.

Umar, please note that in due respect to our ancestors that there has been a broad view of scholarly and seminal works in psychology and particularly in the psychology of black children with added emphasis on black boys. As leaders, all scholarly works are considered for the betterment of the people and in promoting the progression of black children, and not just by one scholar alone.
Dr. Amos Wilson of The Developmental Psychology of the Black Child (Wilson, 1978), and Dr. Bobby E. Wright of Psychopathic Racial Personality and Other Essays (Wright, 1985) are a couple of examples with valid arguments to go along with and against Psycho-Academic Holocaust: The Special Education and ADHD Wars Against Black Boys (Johnson, 2013). Your confinement as a stand alone scholar goes against all of the teachings of a doctoral scholar and certified researcher. Additionally, to name a few, Wade Nobles, Nai’m Akbar, and the late Frances Cress-Welsing have all made major and more significant contributions to Afrikan-Centered psychology long before Umar.

Umar has not proven that he is related to Frederick Douglass. Before Umar became popular throughout the country, he became well-known locally in the city of Philadelphia as a descendant of Frederick Douglass. This is how he began to attract audiences who I heard personally excited to “go hear a descendant of Frederick Douglass!” That would be great, except while building his reputation as a Douglass descendant, no proof was ever provided. He has provided some fictitious relationship verbally while speaking. However, like so many things with this “leader,” you must believe him and take his words without evidence and facts. However, facts are not established by words but with evidence.

Ken Morris and his mother Nettie Washington Douglass are true and established descendants of Frederick Douglass and Booker T. Washington. Birth records, wedding certificates, family pictures, and a family tree in the Library of Congress exist that establishes their relationship to Frederick Douglass and to Booker T. Washington. No such records relate Umar to Ken and his mother Nettie or anyone else related to Frederick Douglass or Booker T. Washington. Ken and Nettie have co-founded the Frederick Douglass Family Initiatives (FDFI) and are advocates against modern slavery and human trafficking around the world. They are continuing the work of their great ancestor. Neither Ken Morris, Nettie Washington Douglass, nor any other proven descendant have spoken of any relationship to Umar Johnson and he is not a member of the Family Initiative. Considering that Ken Morris is outspoken, I highly doubt that Umar would begin referencing him in public. I’m sure that Ken Morris would denounce him and other frauds publicly if he needed to do so to protect the authenticity of his family lineage. The Douglass Family Initiative is an organization making a real difference in the world by real descendants of Frederick Douglass. They should have your support instead of an idea for a school that doesn’t exist, pawned off by a charlatan, who is a fake descendant. Support real projects, not con games.
The Frederick Douglass Family Initiative (FDFI) are aware of Umar Johnson and other frauds such as Frederick Douglass IV aka "Fake Fred". FDFI do not acknowledge the nebulous fraud claims of Umar Johnson. By the way, Fake Fred IV has been more successful and prosperous at perpetrating as a Douglass descendant than Umar. For details read: Role of a Lifetime, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...8/18/AR2007081801113.html?nav=rss_print/style(Washington Post, 2007)

I got this from the link below and there is more stuff I didn't post. I'm not sure if Dr. Umar Johnson ever had a formal response to this stuff but if he did, please post it or the link for us to read.

http://afrikan-resistance.blogspot.com/2015/12/evidence-and-facts-vs-fraud-and.html
 
I view him like any other prominent speaker. I take from him what i can use and leave the rest alone. Even with a knowledge drop we have the reaponsibilty to educate ourselves as well. On one person should be our entire bible. If we make Gods out of ANY of the people named here we are setting ourselves up for disappointment because EVERY human being is flawed. To completely ignore the man because of his personal weakness is a weakness in itself. Who are we to stand as a moral judge against anybody and all people have an agenda, including this woman in the vid. Ask yourself, what was the genesis of her problems with Umar? If it wasnt random it was self serving. If her motives are not pure she is guilty of the same thing shes accusing him of.

Thats the problem with US, crab mentality, especially when we get our feelings hurt.... :smh:
 
The ole separate the man from the message trick again. They say this shit about any black man or woman that stand up for us. I like the message but not the messenger. FOH, there is no message without the messenger. It will never be necessary for me to agree 100% with anyone that is working towards the liberation and decolonization of the black mind and body because I know that I disagree 100% with white supremacy and the many ways it manifest it self and any one fighting to destroy it I am 100% with.

I believe too often many of us on this board ignore the dualism that we manifest by simply being on this porn board and engaging in debate about black uplift. There is a dualism in all of us and the manifestation and embracing of that dualism is what allows us to be who we are and honest with ourselves. I am suspicious of anyone whom uses another's persons duality to explain why we should not listen to that person. This sister has the privilege of us not knowing what debachery she engages in on a regular and seeks to use Umar debachery as a reason why we should embrace the message and not the man. Fuck that, as I said there is no message without the messenger.
 
So what ideas do you present to fix this problem the black community is facing ? we all would like to know.

Certain indivduals have some issues that can be avoided.

I told u start working in your own communities. U dont need no ball player to tell u clean up your neighborhood. Its a got damn shame when a ball player has to leave some pre recorded message telling your kid to get up for school. U get up to be on time for movies, sneaker releases etc.


If u are poor it should be illegal to have kids. We reward and coddle folk for bad behavior. Many a folk excuse the two bit criminal for bad behavior. "all whats wrong he just shot a cop" "he had to sell drugs"

Another thing stop letting the have nots control the convo. U let folk from the bottom control the ship. Black folk with money and access should control it.

Do u think the Larry Ellison or Dupont checks for Alex jones? Hell naw . If these folk were black they would be called coons and sellouts for not giving half their wealth to some hood ponzi scheme.

Folk always claim strong get your ass up and walk kids to the bus stop. Help run some afterschool tutoring program.
Have the kids meditate, listen to jazz while they work on home work. For an afterschool snack an apple , water etc
 
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