Why Won’t Mayweather Jr. Fight the Very Best?

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Why Won’t Mayweather Jr. Fight the Very Best?

By Richard Bailey:

Before I get started, let me just say that I don’t disagree with the fact that Floyd was the pound for pound king, because he definitely was. I just never could understand why his opponents weren’t the best in the latter part of his career as they were in the beginning? His speed and class, and the way he made fights look so easy made you either have a love or hate opinion of him. His victories at Super Featherweight made us all assume he would fight anyone.

Besides he was fighting the very best in that weight class, and not just beating them, but outclassing them and making them look almost amateurish in the ring. Genaro Hernandez was the first world champion to suffer the humiliation of Floyd’s greatness. Stopped by his corner after 8 rounds, it was just the beginning of Floyd’s storm that would rain down on boxing for the next 10 years.

Gregorio Varges soon followed Hernandez into his pile of victims by the way of a unanimous decision. Then his big fight with the late Diego Corrales, a fellow undefeated fighter who had never been knocked down. Mayweather made him look silly, knocking him down 3 times in the seventh and twice in the tenth before a tenth round TKO, when Corrales’s corner stepped in to stop the fight.

Then came Carlos Hernandez followed by future two weight world champion Jesus Chavez. All of Mayweather’s fights in Super Featherweight were brilliant, and so he finally moved up to Lightweight, to challenge Jose Luis Castillo for the World Boxing Council lightweight title. For the first time we saw an uncomfortable Floyd Mayweather Jr fighting. He didn’t seem to like the way Castillo was cutting off the ring and wearing him down with his size advantage, but like a great champion he adjusted to the style and grinded out a unanimous points win.

Although some felt he should have lost he offered Castillo a re-match straight away and this time there was no confusion, as Floyd dominated with his footwork and fast combinations to silence his critics. Then he took what some felt was a risk.

His chin was suspect purely because it had never really been hit. He fought promising South African Phillip Ndou, a brilliant knockout artist with a record of 31-1 with 30 KO’s, and after an action packed fight mainly in round 5, Mayweather begun to land heavy combinations and a flurry of straight rights and Ndou went down in round 7 causing a TKO when he failed to respond to the ref who was trying to make sure he was still able to fight.

Floyd moved up to Light Welterweight after that, defeating DeMarcus Corley and Henry Brussels in what were considered tune up fights so he could get used to the weight class. Now, this is where I think Mayweather started to change his type of opponent’s.

See apart from the late Arturo Gatti, Floyd never fought anyone else in the light welterweight division. I didn’t really know why he was fighting Gatti in the first place as he was rated as number 3 by Ring magazine at the time their fight was announced. I know he was great but he wasn’t the best in the division.

Those titles went to Miguel Cotto who was ranked 2 and Ricky Hatton who was ranked 1 and Kostya Tzyu who was the ring magazine champion and IBF champion, and ranked number 2 on the pound for pound list. What about after Hatton made Tszyu quit on his stool. Why didn’t he fight him then? Was it because he knew Ricky would be a major handful at light welterweight?

We will never know for sure, all we know is that he never wanted to face the best in that division, so he jumped to the Welterweight class to face Shamba Mitchell in again, a tune up fight as Floyd was out of action due to his trial for domestic abuse, for which he was found not guilty. He dominated Sharmba Mitchell with straight rights and combinations to the body to stop him in round 6, to set up a much anticipated fight with Zab Judah.

That fight looked in doubt after Judah lost the ring magazine title and the WBC belt to Carlos Baldomir, but none the less it took place on April 8 2006. The start of the fight was all Judah, winning the first 2 rounds and then the fourth round after landing a massive straight left to Mayweather’s nose, forcing him to cover up against the ropes. Floyd then took the fight over in round 5 with his sharp defence and fast combinations to wear Judah down.

After the riot that happened in round ten caused by a Judah low blow Mayweather carried on showing Judah up and he was awarded a 12 round decision and his 4th world title in 4 divisions. After this fight however Floyd Mayweather Jr seriously started to duck the major players in the welterweight division after not wanting to fight Shane Mosley still, and refusing an 8 million dollar payday to fight Antonio Margarito.

8 million dollars would have been his biggest pay day. Why did he turn it down and then spilt with Top Rank as a result of it? Maybe it’s because he knew Shane might be too good for him, and Margarito was too big for him, with the style and chin that he has, Mayweather maybe thought he just could not cope with it? Honestly I don’t blame him as Margarito is a very big Welterweight with a 73 inch reach, and being 5ft 11 makes it hard for any man to beat him with the way he fights.

No, instead he fights Carlos Baldomir for the WBC and Ring magazine titles. Wise I must admit because it was a fight he would definitely win, so it was the safest option in order not to destroy his legacy. Then came the most anticipated fight of the decade against Oscar De La Hoya, and in Oscar’s weight class (Junior Middleweight), making it Floyd’s fifth division to hold titles in.

This I give him major credit for, and I thought he had big balls to jump in the deep end at a weight he had never fought in. No tune up fights and excuses, straight for the number one of the division. Brilliant I thought. The old Mayweather is back. After the first few rounds of which De La Hoya won with his jab, Mayweather started to counter a bit better and started to land crisper punches, especially after Oscar stopped using his jab.

It was no surprise that Floyd won a split decision, because upon judging it myself I thought it was a very fair fight and it could have gone either way. But it didn’t matter to anyone; Floyd was now a champion in 5 different divisions and after being asked if he would fight Cotto or Mosley or Margarito he said ‘’I have nothing to prove.

I won’t let the sport of boxing retire me I will retire from the sport of boxing’.” Basically saying no I ain’t fighting them, my legacy is set in stone why bother, I’m just going to retire. Then a few months later a massive press conference is called to announce Hatton V’s Mayweather in a super fight titled Undefeated. Being English myself, I was shocked and really happy that finally the Hitman was going to get to fight a major player in the sport and it being Mayweather, brilliant I thought but why Hatton?

Why not Cotto or Mosley or Margarito why make the little man come up in weight to fight you when you said he wasn’t in your league a few years before? I think it was because we saw what happened to Ricky at welterweight against Luis Collazo, he was just not as strong as he was a light welterweight and at 5ft 7 and a small 65 inch reach would pose little threat to Mayweather.

Plus, I think the money had something to do with it. A reported $15 million dollars, plus a share of the profits to fight Hatton. Numbers he would never get against Cotto or Shane or Margarito. So it was a small risk with the biggest rewards. Although Ricky did make Floyd uncomfortable at first, I think Cortez was a bit too intrusive in the fight and that did make a real difference.

I think it would have been a points win for Floyd had Ricky not started to lose his composure that night. Still never mind, he made his cool $15 million dollars and gave his speech again of how he wasn’t going to let boxing retire him ya da ya da ya da, and this time he retired before another Super fight with De La Hoya could be finalized, although I bet he wishes he took the fight now after what Manny did.

Now he is back again telling us in another press conference that he is to fight three weight world champion Juan Manuel Marquez. Once again making the smaller man come up to fight him, but this time he is making Marquez go up 2 divisions to fight him. At least De La Hoya came down a division to fight Manny. It’s been kept tight lipped the actual weight for the fight Marquez saying its 144 Mayweather saying its 147 who knows! I do know this however; Mayweather may have made a mistake because Marquez is a clever dog with old tricks that wins fights.

He seems to come on stronger as the fight goes on, and is very clever as to when to counter and when to attack. Without doubt, I believe the fight will be entertaining and whoever wins should definitely fight the winner of Cotto and Pacquiao.

Although if it’s Floyd who wins, I wouldn’t count on it, I can already hear another version of “I won’t let the sport of boxing retire me I’m going to retire from the sport of boxing”. I love watching Floyd work, and I love his ego he deserves to have it, but it’s time to give the fans what they want. I’d rather have seen Floyd against Pacquiao or Floyd against Mosley than Floyd against Marquez.
 
I agree 100%! Floyd needs to step up and fight the best that's out there for him. Don't get me wrong, Marquez is definitely gonna give Mayweather all he can handle. And I applaud Mayweather for coming back and taking such a tough fight. But I still feel that he's ducking the best. There's no reason to why he hasn't fought the likes of Cotto, Mosley, Margarito. Forget all that crap he says is the reason he wont fight these guys. If you want to be considered the best then you need to prove that by fighting the best. No doubt about it, Mayweather is one of my all-time favorite boxers. But I can't call him the greatest until he proves it.

Jus my opinion...
 
Re: Why Won’t Mayweather Jr. Fight the Very Best?

First, this is a mini Colin response so if you're not into reading then skip it...

This article makes some good points but doesn't tell the whole story either. It makes Mayweather look like he's the only one responsible for not making all of these fights happen. First and foremost, Mayweather is all about his money! Personally I don't care for that, but its his life and talent so he can do what he wants with it. The article makes it seem like Floyd has ducked all of these major fights which is really not the case. Floyd offered Hatton a fight a couple of years before they finally fought and the Hatton camp turned it down. I believe the quote from Hatton's father was "He's not ready yet". Reading this article by Bailey clearly leaves that part out and makes it seem as though Floyd was scared of Hatton after he beat Kostya Tzyu. Floyd also offered Shane a fight years back but was turned down as well. Now being a Shane fan I know he wasn't afraid to fight Mayweather but he turned him down nonetheless. Years later when Shane now wants to fight Floyd and gets turned down, everybody thinks that Floyd is afraid to fight him :confused: As far as Margarito, Shane did turn down that fight which at the time would have been his biggest payday. But the ariticle doesn't say why he didn't fight him or why he really left Top Rank either. It's no secret that Floyd and Bob Arum can't stand each other. Floyd wanted out of TR for that reason alone because he knew down the line it would stop him from getting the biggest payday of his career against Oscar. Oscar can't stand Arum either. He passed on the Margarito fight, bought out his contract and 2 fights later fought Oscar and made over 20 million. The Marquez fight is nothing more than a setup for him and Pacquiao down the road. Marquez gave Pac his two toughest fights and everybody knows thats. Fighting him makes sense if you're going to fight down the line, plus he's making 15 million by doing it. There's a lot of fights that I would've loved to see Floyd have but I'm not going to say its all his fault that they didn't happen as the media always does. Boxing is a business first and people always seem to forget that.
 
its not like it used to be.....fighting the best to be respected.

now its about beating a few good people talking shit and flashing your money to peons.

its about milking the spotlight as long as you can.

especially with floyd.
 
i agree wholeheartedly with the statement but what more does he have to prove? these guys are to whip floyd ass and all but if given the opportunity would it really be worth it? who pay 40-50 bucks for the ppv? the undercard has to be stacked
 
i agree wholeheartedly with the statement but what more does he have to prove? these guys are to whip floyd ass and all but if given the opportunity would it really be worth it? who pay 40-50 bucks for the ppv? the undercard has to be stacked

Not true, how much money did he make fighting Gatti? Or Brusseles. Hatton and Oscar were the toughest fights he's had in the past 3 or 4 years. You don't think the public will pay to watch the "hated" Floyd Mayweather possibly lose to a really tough opponent. That was then, this is now. He's not at lightweight or superfeather anymore, he's at welterweight and he has yet to prove anything at that weight class. He hasn't fought one guy at welter who the boxing community can consider a serious risk.
We can all sit here and say he'd box circles around Cotto or Mosley, and what's the point if we already know Floyd can win.

Well I'm sure Ali felt the same way right before Joe Frazier broke his jaw. When YOU do all the talking, you have to back it up. The ONLY problem I have with him fighting Marquez or Pacman is that they ARE NOT REAL WELTERWEIGHTS. They are guys that he is making move up in weight so that he can have an advantage he knows he would not enjoy with Cotto or Mosley. Because if Marquez and May were BOTH natural welters, Floyd would be in some serious trouble come Sept 19. As it is I think people are going to be surprised how tugh a fight this will be for Floyd. Marquez is NO JOKE. But less thretning when you make him throw n 12 extra pounds for the first time at age 35.

Now don't get me wrong, I was a huge Floyd fan, then he fell out of favor with me but I do recognize that he has some of the best skills I've seen, but he just stopped proving it. And yes Floyd does have some brittle ass hands and I don't blame him for staying away from high contact brawlers when he can make millions fighting guys he knows he can take, I'd do the same thing. But I wouldn't run my mouth about how great I am while I'm duping the fans out of fights they wanna see and deserve to see since they are the ones that enable him to make it rain money in all those clubs.

Manny is no better and is showing himslef to be even more of a cherry picker than Floyd and worse at the bargaining table than Oscar. But at least he's willing to jump in the ring with Cotto and your always guaranteed to watch a high action fight and some spectacular punching. Most of Floyd's victories lately have been straight up snoozers that even the most staunch Mayweather fan would say are boring. Then again, who the fuck knows, most of Ali's fights were boring too. If I was going to pick 2 guys who TRULY deserve to be pound for pound, it would be the two old men - Marquez and Hopkins. They've fouught everyone regardless of age or weight and physical advantages and they've beaten and in some cases destroyed(Pavlik,Diaz) guys they weren't even supposed to beat and are the linear champs in their divisions - now neither Floyd nor Manny can say that.

I want B-Hop to go after Paul Williams and I am silently rooting for Marquez to beat Floyd because he's such a great fighter and technician and like Hopkins before the Trinidad fight, he's been fucked over alot and never given his true props. With that being said, whether he fights them all or not, I don't think anyone at welterweight would beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. except for Paul Williams and that's just a size issue.
 
big_black68 gave the closest response to what I would have said about the article. There are too many factors into why fights with Floyd and *insert boxer here* didn't happen. In addition, that is why you most likely won't see as many big matchups as Rick Ronson may be eluding to...It will never be as it was back then because too many people nullify the biggest matchups in any division...That's why the Super Middleweight tourney is most likely one of the most surprising events to happen in boxing in the past 20 years.

Here's the thing about Floyd that pretty much goes across the board with many fighters that are unbeaten...They don't get the credit that they deserve in some cases. Take Marciano in the heavyweight class back in the day, or Calslap...*cough* I mean Calzaghe in today's super middleweight class...While he has taken his share of fights, there are those that we are left to ponder...Those that know me as a boxing fan know there is only one fight left for him to take at any division...

And for the guy to say that he'd rather see Floyd fight Pac than fight Marquez, he's off base a bit...Those that saw Marquez school Pac in those two fights ain't see nothin if Floyd matches up with him...
 
MONEY IS FIGHTING MARQUEZ

THATS A HARD AS FIGHT RIGHT THERE


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First, this is a mini Colin response so if you're not into reading then skip it...

This article makes some good points but doesn't tell the whole story either. It makes Mayweather look like he's the only one responsible for not making all of these fights happen. First and foremost, Mayweather is all about his money! Personally I don't care for that, but its his life and talent so he can do what he wants with it. The article makes it seem like Floyd has ducked all of these major fights which is really not the case. Floyd offered Hatton a fight a couple of years before they finally fought and the Hatton camp turned it down. I believe the quote from Hatton's father was "He's not ready yet". Reading this article by Bailey clearly leaves that part out and makes it seem as though Floyd was scared of Hatton after he beat Kostya Tzyu. Floyd also offered Shane a fight years back but was turned down as well. Now being a Shane fan I know he wasn't afraid to fight Mayweather but he turned him down nonetheless. Years later when Shane now wants to fight Floyd and gets turned down, everybody thinks that Floyd is afraid to fight him :confused: As far as Margarito, Shane did turn down that fight which at the time would have been his biggest payday. But the ariticle doesn't say why he didn't fight him or why he really left Top Rank either. It's no secret that Floyd and Bob Arum can't stand each other. Floyd wanted out of TR for that reason alone because he knew down the line it would stop him from getting the biggest payday of his career against Oscar. Oscar can't stand Arum either. He passed on the Margarito fight, bought out his contract and 2 fights later fought Oscar and made over 20 million. The Marquez fight is nothing more than a setup for him and Pacquiao down the road. Marquez gave Pac his two toughest fights and everybody knows thats. Fighting him makes sense if you're going to fight down the line, plus he's making 15 million by doing it. There's a lot of fights that I would've loved to see Floyd have but I'm not going to say its all his fault that they didn't happen as the media always does. Boxing is a business first and people always seem to forget that.


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MONEY IS FIGHTING MARQUEZ

THATS A HARD AS FIGHT RIGHT THERE


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True, very true, BUT, why fight a guy that you will have natural advantages against. Why spew all that, "i'm not gonna let boxing retire me" bullshit.
You are a welterweight - FIGHT WELTERWEIGHTS! You got all these great fighters at 147 and he wants to make a lightweight comeup TWELVE pounds to fight? He's just as bad as Manny. I hope they fight and we see the world's first high profile double knockout.

Fans talks about him not wanting to fight Mosley because of some horseshit grudge, BUT Shane turned him down because he had a multi million dollar fight with Oscar on the table, why won't Floyd or his fans say THAT- The same way Floyd turned down a fight with Margarito and Cotto because of a big money fight with Oscar.
Floyd can say what he wants but the reasons for him not wanting to fight Shane go way beyond some bullshit grudge - because no grudge is gonna stop a niccuh who wants to get money from getting it. Why not fight him now? Then I love when Floyd or his fans say "oh but there's no question he can beat them" Well theres even less of a question as to whether he canbeat a featherweight fighting at welter for the very first time. I sincerel hope Marquez beats him, I don't see it happening, but I'm hoping. We'll see, if Cotto beats Pac and instead of fighting Cotto, Floyd fights Pac - you'll know for sure that "Money" May is full of it and would rather just pick on guys he knows he can beat, just like most of these so-called P4P guys all the way back to Roy Jones Jr.

Give me guys like Shane, Gatti, Toney , McCallum, Leonard, Hagler, BHOP and dudes who are willing to fight anyone at anytime - win or lose. Not guys like Roy, who made millions and aside from Trinidad, Tarver and Toney, you'd be hard pressed to find any quality fighters on his resume during his prime. He made millions fighting garbage.

As much as people talked about Oscar - VERY FEW cats in the last 25 years have faced the kind of opposition he has throughout his career. He also made cats like BHOP, Shane, Winky and Barerra pretty rich.

The boxing game is pretty stagnant so I'm happy Floyd is back at least for his entertainment value, but only if he's going to take some real challenges after this "tune up". BTW, tune up fights usually turn into nightmares for elite fighters, which is why you see less and less dudes taking tune up fights an just going from star fighter to star fighter.
 
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True, very true, BUT, why fight a guy that you will have natural advantages against. Why spew all that, "i'm not gonna let boxing retire me" bullshit.
You are a welterweight - FIGHT WELTERWEIGHTS! You got all these great fighters at 147 and he wants to make a lightweight comeup TWELVE pounds to fight? He's just as bad as Manny. I hope they fight and we see the world's first high profile double knockout.

Fans talks about him not wanting to fight Mosley because of some horseshit grudge, BUT Shane turned him down because he had a multi million dollar fight with Oscar on the table, why won't Floyd or his fans say THAT- The same way Floyd turned down a fight with Margarito and Cotto because of a big money fight with Oscar.
Floyd can say what he wants but the reasons for him not wanting to fight Shane go way beyond some bullshit grudge - because no grudge is gonna stop a niccuh who wants to get money from getting it. Why not fight him now? Then I love when Floyd or his fans say "oh but there's no question he can beat them" Well theres even less of a question as to whether he canbeat a featherweight fighting at welter for the very first time. I sincerel hope Marquez beats him, I don't see it happening, but I'm hoping. We'll see, if Cotto beats Pac and instead of fighting Cotto, Floyd fights Pac - you'll know for sure that "Money" May is full of it and would rather just pick on guys he knows he can beat, just like most of these so-called P4P guys all the way back to Roy Jones Jr.

Give me guys like Shane, Gatti, Toney , McCallum, Leonard, Hagler, BHOP and dudes who are willing to fight anyone at anytime - win or lose. Not guys like Roy, who made millions and aside from Trinidad, Tarver and Toney, you'd be hard pressed to find any quality fighters on his resume during his prime. He made millions fighting garbage.

As much as people talked about Oscar - VERY FEW cats in the last 25 years have faced the kind of opposition he has throughout his career. He also made cats like BHOP, Shane, Winky and Barerra pretty rich.

The boxing game is pretty stagnant so I'm happy Floyd is back at least for his entertainment value, but only if he's going to take some real challenges after this "tune up". BTW, tune up fights usually turn into nightmares for elite fighters, which is why you see less and less dudes taking tune up fights an just going from star fighter to star fighter.

Merce you have some damn good points but once again when talking about Mayweather, it's all about Money! Could Floyd beat the top welters in the world? I think he could without a doubt and I think he knows that as well but he still won't take the more dangerous fight if something else is easier and can make him more money. What boxer honestly would??? Guys like Shane have to fight the best out there because they don't sell a fight like Mayweather does. You look at Mayweathers record and while he's undefeated you and I will be agree, there's a lot of fighters who should be on that list win or lose. Now look at Shane's record, only an idiot would say anything negative about the opposition he's fought over his career. With that being said, Floyd is in the position to retire for almost 2 years and comeback against Marquez (a very respectable fighter mind you) and get paid 15 million. Shane on the other hand is still trying to get a fight with PAC where he has said he will fight him as low as 140 for 40 % of the purse...Shane is the true Welterweight champ of the world right now and he's willing to take a bullshit contract like that because he can't get a big money fight with anyone else. Personally I believe Shane is a great boxer and he gets much respect from me but guys like him are always going to have to take whatever fight they can get because they don't have that "draw" factor that people are willing to pay to see. I gave up on Mayweather fighting the best out there a long time ago. I love boxing and will always be a fan of it but I also know which fighters are going to put it all in the ring and which ones will have the easy route. And I would love to see Marquez beat Mayweather but like you said, it's more than likely not going to happen. I actually see Floyd making it look easy and I hate saying that about somebody as good as Marquez :smh:
 
Give me guys like Shane, Gatti, Toney , McCallum, Leonard, Hagler, BHOP and dudes who are willing to fight anyone at anytime - win or lose. Not guys like Roy, who made millions and aside from Trinidad, Tarver and Toney, you'd be hard pressed to find any quality fighters on his resume during his prime. He made millions fighting garbage.

As much as people talked about Oscar - VERY FEW cats in the last 25 years have faced the kind of opposition he has throughout his career. .

:yes::yes::yes:

and I've been wanting to see a Shane vs PBF fight for years. It's really the one fight that I would pay for.
 
Merce you have some damn good points but once again when talking about Mayweather, it's all about Money! Could Floyd beat the top welters in the world? I think he could without a doubt and I think he knows that as well but he still won't take the more dangerous fight if something else is easier and can make him more money. What boxer honestly would??? Guys like Shane have to fight the best out there because they don't sell a fight like Mayweather does. You look at Mayweathers record and while he's undefeated you and I will be agree, there's a lot of fighters who should be on that list win or lose. Now look at Shane's record, only an idiot would say anything negative about the opposition he's fought over his career. With that being said, Floyd is in the position to retire for almost 2 years and comeback against Marquez (a very respectable fighter mind you) and get paid 15 million. Shane on the other hand is still trying to get a fight with PAC where he has said he will fight him as low as 140 for 40 % of the purse...Shane is the true Welterweight champ of the world right now and he's willing to take a bullshit contract like that because he can't get a big money fight with anyone else. Personally I believe Shane is a great boxer and he gets much respect from me but guys like him are always going to have to take whatever fight they can get because they don't have that "draw" factor that people are willing to pay to see. I gave up on Mayweather fighting the best out there a long time ago. I love boxing and will always be a fan of it but I also know which fighters are going to put it all in the ring and which ones will have the easy route. And I would love to see Marquez beat Mayweather but like you said, it's more than likely not going to happen. I actually see Floyd making it look easy and I hate saying that about somebody as good as Marquez :smh:

I'm in agreement with you on your entire commentary. I do think Floyd can beat any of the top welters out there but his unwillingness to put himself in the line of fire will prevent that from happening. And contrary to what most people think, he would not make it look too easy against Shane or Cotto. I may be wrong but I do believe that Floyd's days of making it look easy are over, and I'm judging by the Ricky Hatton fight and to some extent, the Oscar fight.....The Floyd fan who is not willing to hear about any flaws in their man will tell you that Floyd had an easy night and that he handled that white boy - false, it was a hard fought ko for Floyd, one that he bought with experience and patience, and a big dose of help from the ref who would not let Ricky fight his fight at all and was letting Floyd ge away with all kinds of elbows and forearms. Now I give him props, he out-Hattoned Ricky Hatton. But except in spurts, I still saw great handspeed and footwork but it was like something was off or missing, aside from the ko, it really wasnt a Floyd-like performance, and neither was the one with Oscar who couldn't miss with the jab and was snapping Floyd's head with it and then mysteriously stopped throwing it. Hell Oscar gave me reason during the fight to imagine what kind of fight it would have been for Floyd against a young Oscar. But again, Floyd did a little more than enough to win the fight. The last truly scintillating performance he had was against Gatti and Arturo was old and never in Floyd's class anyway. And Baldomir but he's another Gatti-type.
I'll tell you, Floyd is going to have to really fight against this cat, and god help him if he injures those brittle-ass hands during the fight, because then the only thing between him and JMM would be speed and Marquez has dealt very well with speed in the past. You gotta remember, while Floyd has been retired, Juan has been fighting in and winning(no matter what the judges say) wars against some really good fighters and knocked out in particular a man that Floyd's father called Roger from jail and asked him to avoid when Floyd was at lightweight - Casmayor, Floyd Sr. knew that Floyd had always had trouble with southpaws.
If Floyd dominates MArquez then he is truly the P4P because Juan is my P4P with BHOP second.
 
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While this post is about Floyd, I will ask about the "legacy" of another fighter mentioned here...Oscar De La Hoya...

Yes, without question he was the biggest non-heavyweight draw in the sport's history...Yes, he was the gold medal winner...Yes, he did win multiple belts in multiple weight classes...but was he among the greatest in the sport? Could you put him in the top 20 or 25 in the list of best boxers? For some reason I couldn't...

He was many impressive wins on his record, and he probably should have gotten the decision over Felix Trinidad (I actually think he's better than Trinidad was), there were other notable fights where he ended up on the short end of the stick...The 2 Mosley fights, the Hopkins fight, and the Mayweather fight stand out as the biggest fights that he has been in...And even though he probably came in a favorite in 2 or 3 of those fights, he lost all of them...And he should've lost another fight earlier in his career (and y'all know which one I'm talking about :D)

De La Hoya could have been among the best ever if he won at least 3 of those fights I mentioned...It's an interesting question to ponder for the next few years as he will be up for being in the boxing hof in the next 4 years...
 
While this post is about Floyd, I will ask about the "legacy" of another fighter mentioned here...Oscar De La Hoya...

Yes, without question he was the biggest non-heavyweight draw in the sport's history...Yes, he was the gold medal winner...Yes, he did win multiple belts in multiple weight classes...but was he among the greatest in the sport? Could you put him in the top 20 or 25 in the list of best boxers? For some reason I couldn't...

He was many impressive wins on his record, and he probably should have gotten the decision over Felix Trinidad (I actually think he's better than Trinidad was), there were other notable fights where he ended up on the short end of the stick...The 2 Mosley fights, the Hopkins fight, and the Mayweather fight stand out as the biggest fights that he has been in...And even though he probably came in a favorite in 2 or 3 of those fights, he lost all of them...And he should've lost another fight earlier in his career (and y'all know which one I'm talking about :D)

De La Hoya could have been among the best ever if he won at least 3 of those fights I mentioned...It's an interesting question to ponder for the next few years as he will be up for being in the boxing hof in the next 4 years...

The most impressive thing about De La Hoya is his resume of opponents.

 
Re: Why Won’t Mayweather Jr. Fight the Very Best?

I'm in agreement with you on your entire commentary. I do think Floyd can beat any of the top welters out there but his unwillingness to put himself in the line of fire will prevent that from happening. And contrary to what most people think, he would not make it look too easy against Shane or Cotto. I may be wrong but I do believe that Floyd's days of making it look easy are over, and I'm judging by the Ricky Hatton fight and to some extent, the Oscar fight.....The Floyd fan who is not willing to hear about any flaws in their man will tell you that Floyd had an easy night and that he handled that white boy - false, it was a hard fought ko for Floyd, one that he bought with experience and patience, and a big dose of help from the ref who would not let Ricky fight his fight at all and was letting Floyd ge away with all kinds of elbows and forearms. Now I give him props, he out-Hattoned Ricky Hatton. But except in spurts, I still saw great handspeed and footwork but it was like something was off or missing, aside from the ko, it really wasnt a Floyd-like performance, and neither was the one with Oscar who couldn't miss with the jab and was snapping Floyd's head with it and then mysteriously stopped throwing it. Hell Oscar gave me reason during the fight to imagine what kind of fight it would have been for Floyd against a young Oscar. But again, Floyd did a little more than enough to win the fight. The last truly scintillating performance he had was against Gatti and Arturo was old and never in Floyd's class anyway. And Baldomir but he's another Gatti-type.
I'll tell you, Floyd is going to have to really fight against this cat, and god help him if he injures those brittle-ass hands during the fight, because then the only thing between him and JMM would be speed and Marquez has dealt very well with speed in the past. You gotta remember, while Floyd has been retired, Juan has been fighting in and winning(no matter what the judges say) wars against some really good fighters and knocked out in particular a man that Floyd's father called Roger from jail and asked him to avoid when Floyd was at lightweight - Casmayor, Floyd Sr. knew that Floyd had always had trouble with southpaws.
If Floyd dominates MArquez then he is truly the P4P because Juan is my P4P with BHOP second.

I have no idea why people think Floyd would run over Shane and Cotto. I see Shane giving him a really tough fight, possibly a split decision in Floyds favor. Cotto would be a good fight but I have Floyd by UD. Bottom line is due to his style, he's not going to walk through anybody respectable for that matter. Floyd is a pure boxer. He's extremely patient and will wear his opponent down over the course of a fight. He's still the best in fight adjuster in the game.

Oscar should have never stopped throwing that jab but thats been Oscar's story in two of his biggest fights. Against Floyd and also Trinidad. Why he decided to stop boxing and running from Tito I still wonder till this day. Oscar was a great boxer and his record shows that he never backed down from a challenge but when it's all said and done, I believe he's lost to more big names than he's beat. He'll be a HOF'er but I think it's more due to the fact that he fought everybody and how popular he was.

Personally I see a lot of similarities between Floyd and Marquez but the only advantage I give to Marquez is heart. Floyd is bigger, faster, a better defensive fighter, and doesn't make the mistakes that Marquez makes. Like I said, I honestly hate saying Floyd makes it look easy but I don't know what Marquez brings to the table thats better than Floyd other than heart. Also the fact that Marquez has never fought about 135 gives me something to worry about. Another advantage in Floyd's favor.
 
:yes::yes::yes:

and I've been wanting to see a Shane vs PBF fight for years. It's really the one fight that I would pay for.

This has been my dream fight for close to a decade. Fuck both of them for not making this happen.

To those floyd lovers who think he would steam roll over Mosely, you're bugging, I doubt Floyd has faced any one with the speed, power, and accuracy of a shane mosely. A guy who has been knocked down 1x in his career. A guy who gets stronger the longer the fight goes. Peep how he had Cotto running for his life the last three rounds. A man who destroyed the welterweight divisions Iron chinned (and loaded glove) warrior Margarito. If it would be such a easy win, why hasn't it happen? Oh that's right mosley isn't popular enough, he doesn't sel tickets :rolleyes:. Next thing PBF will be saying his nickname isn't cool enough.
 
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This has been my dream fight for close to a decade. Fuck both of them for not making this happen.

To those floyd lovers who think he would steam roll over Mosely, you're bugging, I doubt Floyd has faced any one with the speed, power, and accuracy of a shane mosely. A guy who has been knocked down 1x in his career. A guy who gets stronger the longer the fight goes. Peep how he had Cotto running for his life the last three rounds. A man who destroyed the welterweight divisions Iron chinned (and loaded glove) warrior Margarito. If it would be such a easy win, why hasn't it happen? Oh that's right mosley isn't popular enough, he doesn't sel tickets :rolleyes:. Next thing PBF will be saying his nickname isn't cool enough.

I disagree about Cotto running, most people call that boxing, peep the announcers around the 11th, one said something like "Even though Cotto's backing up and boxing, he's still landing the cleaner more effective punches" peep the fight again.

And Oscar CLEARLY got fucked in that second Mosley fight, just peep the utter surprise on Shane's face when they announced him the winner. As far as Sweet P vs Oscar. You can't expect to get a decision against the Golden Boy by just landing a jab. With that being said P won that fight. But Oscar took that Quartey fight in the last round. I respect Oscar more than alot of guys who haven't lost simply because they haven't fought anyone they could lose to.
 
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Give me guys like Shane, Gatti, Toney , McCallum, Leonard, Hagler, BHOP and dudes who are willing to fight anyone at anytime -

Leonard's an alltime great but he ducked the hell out of Aaron Pryor, who was red-hot after the Arguello wins. He ducked Hagler too until he saw that Hagler was a spent fighter. He even invited Hagler to his retirement announcement without telling him what the ceremony was for. Marvelous thought he was going to accept his challenge.

Shane on the other hand is still trying to get a fight with PAC where he has said he will fight him as low as 140 for 40 % of the purse...Shane is the true Welterweight champ of the world right now and he's willing to take a bullshit contract like that because he can't get a big money fight with anyone else.
Can't say anything about his list of opponents but I don't hear him even entertaining a Paul Williams fight. Hopefully he'll fight Berto or Clottey. Since everyone else is booked, he needs to get himself a good fight and win to keep his name in the conversation. If not, the winner of Mayweather-Marquez looks to be the first option for the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto.

I'm judging by the Ricky Hatton fight and to some extent, the Oscar fight.....The Floyd fan who is not willing to hear about any flaws in their man will tell you that Floyd had an easy night and that he handled that white boy - false, it was a hard fought ko for Floyd, one that he bought with experience and patience, and a big dose of help from the ref who would not let Ricky fight his fight at all and was letting Floyd ge away with all kinds of elbows and forearms. Now I give him props, he out-Hattoned Ricky Hatton. But except in spurts, I still saw great handspeed and footwork but it was like something was off or missing, aside from the ko, it really wasnt a Floyd-like performance, and neither was the one with Oscar who couldn't miss with the jab and was snapping Floyd's head with it and then mysteriously stopped throwing it. Hell Oscar gave me reason during the fight to imagine what kind of fight it would have been for Floyd against a young Oscar. But again, Floyd did a little more than enough to win the fight. The last truly scintillating performance he had was against Gatti and Arturo was old and never in Floyd's class anyway. And Baldomir but he's another Gatti-type.
I'll tell you, Floyd is going to have to really fight against this cat, and god help him if he injures those brittle-ass hands during the fight, because then the only thing between him and JMM would be speed and Marquez has dealt very well with speed in the past. You gotta remember, while Floyd has been retired, Juan has been fighting in and winning(no matter what the judges say) wars against some really good fighters and knocked out in particular a man that Floyd's father called Roger from jail and asked him to avoid when Floyd was at lightweight -

I saw Mayweather as handling Hatton easily. It wasn't a case of the ref not letting Hatton fight as much as this ref wasn't letting him get away with the grappling he likes to use. That's a good thing.
The De La Hoya fight was tougher due to Oscar's size advantage and his sharp jab. But once Floyd had figured out the jab (Oscar's a vet, he's not just going to stop throwing a punch that's working), he took control. Like Baldomir, I don't think he went in looking for the ko. I think he was against Judah, Gatti, and Hatton.

While this post is about Floyd, I will ask about the "legacy" of another fighter mentioned here...Oscar De La Hoya...

Yes, without question he was the biggest non-heavyweight draw in the sport's history...Yes, he was the gold medal winner...Yes, he did win multiple belts in multiple weight classes...but was he among the greatest in the sport? Could you put him in the top 20 or 25 in the list of best boxers? For some reason I couldn't...

He was many impressive wins on his record, and he probably should have gotten the decision over Felix Trinidad (I actually think he's better than Trinidad was), there were other notable fights where he ended up on the short end of the stick...The 2 Mosley fights, the Hopkins fight, and the Mayweather fight stand out as the biggest fights that he has been in...And even though he probably came in a favorite in 2 or 3 of those fights, he lost all of them...And he should've lost another fight earlier in his career (and y'all know which one I'm talking about :D)

De La Hoya could have been among the best ever if he won at least 3 of those fights I mentioned...It's an interesting question to ponder for the next few years as he will be up for being in the boxing hof in the next 4 years...


DLH shouldn't make any top 20 or 25 list. He was on ESPN's top 50 Most Overrated Athletes. He's got a great list of opponents but the losses have to count against him, some of which he lost decisively. Objectively, you also have to count against him the many gifts he's received. While the Whitaker win could be counted as a close win, no reasonable person can say that for his win over Sturm. Even some of his real wins were wins over old men. What he got from Mayweather and Pacquiao, he gave to Chavez (and Whitaker), building his name off the rep of an old fighter. When he fought top guys in their prime, he lost. He's a great fighter but not an all time great. But he's definitely HOF.
 
and neither was the one with Oscar who couldn't miss with the jab and was snapping Floyd's head with it and then mysteriously stopped throwing it.

I have no idea why he stopped throwing that jab. In the first 6-7 rounds, he was killing PBF with it.. that is why PBF's face was all bruised up after the fight.
 
This has been my dream fight for close to a decade. Fuck both of them for not making this happen.

To those floyd lovers who think he would steam roll over Mosely, you're bugging, I doubt Floyd has faced any one with the speed, power, and accuracy of a shane mosely. A guy who has been knocked down 1x in his career. A guy who gets stronger the longer the fight goes. .

:yes::yes::yes:
 
I saw Mayweather as handling Hatton easily. It wasn't a case of the ref not letting Hatton fight as much as this ref wasn't letting him get away with the grappling he likes to use. That's a good thing.
The De La Hoya fight was tougher due to Oscar's size advantage and his sharp jab. But once Floyd had figured out the jab (Oscar's a vet, he's not just going to stop throwing a punch that's working), he took control. Like Baldomir, I don't think he went in looking for the ko. I think he was against Judah, Gatti, and Hatton.

Better watch that fight again, Floyd hasn't breathed that hard or had to fight that much in the first four rounds in years. And Floyd did not figure Oscar out, Oscar lost that fight himself. PBF couldn't get off a good combo 'til Oscar stopped throwing the jab and just followed Floyd around.

Grappling? You mean like the forearm and elbow that Floyd likes to jam in every opponents throat and then push his head back and come over with the right hand?:smh: Wanna know why he had such a hard fight against Castillo? Wasn't because of any bs hand injury. The ref Vic Drakulich stopped him from using that forearm and elbow and also stopped him from turning his back on guys, boxers should throw more kidney punches at his back when he does that, and he'd stop doing it.
 
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Re: Why Won’t Mayweather Jr. Fight the Very Best?

Quote:Originally Posted by big_black68
Shane on the other hand is still trying to get a fight with PAC where he has said he will fight him as low as 140 for 40 % of the purse...Shane is the true Welterweight champ of the world right now and he's willing to take a bullshit contract like that because he can't get a big money fight with anyone else.

Can't say anything about his list of opponents but I don't hear him even entertaining a Paul Williams fight. Hopefully he'll fight Berto or Clottey. Since everyone else is booked, he needs to get himself a good fight and win to keep his name in the conversation. If not, the winner of Mayweather-Marquez looks to be the first option for the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto.

Nobody is trying to entertain a Paul Williams fight in the welters...Shane deserves a big money fight before he hangs them up. I agree with you that he does need to get a fight in just to keep his name in the picture but Williams??? Come on man, we both know that fool can make weight, but he needs to get his 6'1 ass somewhere else with that shit. Too much risk with not enough reward if you ask me.
 
Quote:Originally Posted by big_black68
Shane on the other hand is still trying to get a fight with PAC where he has said he will fight him as low as 140 for 40 % of the purse...Shane is the true Welterweight champ of the world right now and he's willing to take a bullshit contract like that because he can't get a big money fight with anyone else.

Can't say anything about his list of opponents but I don't hear him even entertaining a Paul Williams fight. Hopefully he'll fight Berto or Clottey. Since everyone else is booked, he needs to get himself a good fight and win to keep his name in the conversation. If not, the winner of Mayweather-Marquez looks to be the first option for the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto.

Nobody is trying to entertain a Paul Williams fight in the welters...Shane deserves a big money fight before he hangs them up. I agree with you that he does need to get a fight in just to keep his name in the picture but Williams??? Come on man, we both know that fool can make weight, but he needs to get his 6'1 ass somewhere else with that shit. Too much risk with not enough reward if you ask me.

Williams is in negotiations with Pavlik. That mofo was trying to be the big fish in a lil ass pond at welter. I'm glad he took himself up in weight where he can fight against guys his size. He won't be as dominant at middle and supermiddle is just beastly right now.
 
Better watch that fight again, Floyd hasn't breathed that hard or had to fight that much in the first four rounds in years. And Floyd did not figure Oscar out, Oscar lost that fight himself. PBF couldn't get off a good combo 'til Oscar stopped throwing the jab and just followed Floyd around.

Grappling? You mean like the forearm and elbow that Floyd likes to jam in every opponents throat and then push his head back and come over with the right hand?:smh: Wanna know why he had such a hard fight against Castillo? Wasn't because of any bs hand injury. The ref Vic Drakulich stopped him from using that forearm and elbow and also stopped him from turning his back on guys, boxers should throw more kidney punches at his back when he does that, and he'd stop doing it.

Judah gave him more problem in the first four rounds than Hatton. Judah even won 3 of the first 4. Hatton looked only slightly better than Arturo Gatti against Mayweather.
Like I said, Oscar's vet. If the jab was working, he would have kept using it. I saw Bernard Hopkins screaming for him to work the jab but B-Hop wasn't in the ring.

Quote:Originally Posted by big_black68
Shane on the other hand is still trying to get a fight with PAC where he has said he will fight him as low as 140 for 40 % of the purse...Shane is the true Welterweight champ of the world right now and he's willing to take a bullshit contract like that because he can't get a big money fight with anyone else.

Can't say anything about his list of opponents but I don't hear him even entertaining a Paul Williams fight. Hopefully he'll fight Berto or Clottey. Since everyone else is booked, he needs to get himself a good fight and win to keep his name in the conversation. If not, the winner of Mayweather-Marquez looks to be the first option for the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto.

Nobody is trying to entertain a Paul Williams fight in the welters...Shane deserves a big money fight before he hangs them up. I agree with you that he does need to get a fight in just to keep his name in the picture but Williams??? Come on man, we both know that fool can make weight, but he needs to get his 6'1 ass somewhere else with that shit. Too much risk with not enough reward if you ask me.

Agree on Paul Williams. Once he beat up Winky Wright, I thought he should have just ended his welterweight campaign. No quality welter is going to fight him now. He seems to be having a hard time getting a fight with any quality middleweights.
 
Judah gave him more problem in the first four rounds than Hatton. Judah even won 3 of the first 4..

The Judah fight was the last time I've really seen PBF get hit with flush shots to the head. He was landing shots on PBF... but of course, you knew with Judah he would have a meltdown.
 
The Judah fight was the last time I've really seen PBF get hit with flush shots to the head. He was landing shots on PBF... but of course, you knew with Judah he would have a meltdown.

:yes: floyd don't like the southpaws
 
all you people thats talking down on Mayweather tell me who can actually beat him and im going to tell you why he cant. Im going to start with Cotto. His hands speed isnt fast enough and he stays getting hit. Plus Cotto doesnt have any heart so thats going to be a blood bath like when Cotto got beat up my Pac. Speaking of Pac, i like him but he doesnt do well with counter puncher, yall looking at all of his recent fights, look at the fight that he hasnt look so good in Marquez beat his ass both fight but Pacs names won those fight, pretty much like Mosely and Dela Hoya. Then Shane Mosely, please he has 100% garbage. He must just be broke and looking for a pay day, someone tell me who he has beat anyway. Cotto beat that ass, Dela Hoya beat that ass so why is he even in this conversation. Yall are jokes for real i guess next yall are going to want him to move up and fight Chris Byrd or James Toney.
 
. Then Shane Mosely, please he has 100% garbage. He must just be broke and looking for a pay day, someone tell me who he has beat anyway. Cotto beat that ass, Dela Hoya beat that ass so why is he even in this conversation. .

Take your casual boxing fan ass to bed. Shane 100 percent garbage :confused::lol: Who has Shane beat :confused::lol: Shane probably has the best resume of anyone you have mentioned in this thread (besides DLH but DLH ges discounted because he LOST a majority of his major fights).

and when did DLH beat Shane... Shane is 2-0 vs DLH...
 
what Floyd is gonna do is wait until Shane is like 40 and then start calling him out...his M-O is very simple, avoid fighting the best, let them fight each other, then claim they aren't draws because they have a loss, or he STEPS up to the plate and fights people coming up from multiple weight classes.

The hypocrisy in this is:
Baldomir had approx. 11 losses-

Gatti had 6 losses (which Floyd's stupid ass pointed out in the fight buildup, which spoke to his bullshit logic)

Oscar was a money fight, but EVERYTIME Oscar has stepped up in class from welterweight and higher, he got beat...plus he was past his prime.

Judah had JUST lost to Baldomir...

It goes on and on...He will NEVER fight the best in and around his weight class (not 20 pounds south):smh::smh::smh::smh:

It really fucks me up to hear jokers say 'All Shane wants is a payday?!?!!? WTF!!!! Don't all boxers want paydays, I don't know too many of them who just fight for the love of fighting.....Payday...DUHH!!!!:smh:
 
all you people thats talking down on Mayweather tell me who can actually beat him and im going to tell you why he cant. Im going to start with Cotto. His hands speed isnt fast enough and he stays getting hit. Plus Cotto doesnt have any heart so thats going to be a blood bath like when Cotto got beat up my Pac. Speaking of Pac, i like him but he doesnt do well with counter puncher, yall looking at all of his recent fights, look at the fight that he hasnt look so good in Marquez beat his ass both fight but Pacs names won those fight, pretty much like Mosely and Dela Hoya. Then Shane Mosely, please he has 100% garbage. He must just be broke and looking for a pay day, someone tell me who he has beat anyway. Cotto beat that ass, Dela Hoya beat that ass so why is he even in this conversation. Yall are jokes for real i guess next yall are going to want him to move up and fight Chris Byrd or James Toney.

PAUL WILLIAMS, who can still make 147....speak Sir....we are waiting for your logic on why Floyd will beat him...tick tick tick
 
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