Why is it considered extremely rude to inquire about other people's salaries and income in the US?

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There are a lot of reasons for this:

Manners are self-reinforcing. In the US, it's generally considered inappropriate / rude / tacky / a bad idea to discuss your income. This is just one of those things that's drilled into you, like chewing with your mouth closed. Even if someone doesn't judge you for your salary, they'll judge you because you're talking about it. Polite people don't do that; where are your manners?
People judge you whether you're rich or poor.
Oh, you're poor? Well, no wonder. You're lazy -- you took off two days last week just 'cause -- and you waste money. I saw you eyeing that purse. Maybe if you stopped spending so much money you'd finally be able to afford it.

Oh, you're rich? No wonder you asked what kind of car I bought. God, you're such a snob, with your fancy car and fancy shoes. And, seriously, what was up with you not just splitting the bill at that restaurant we went to? You make 3x times as much as us, and you didn't want to chip in for the 3 bottles of wine just because you didn't drink? Ugh.

Basically, it's uncomfortable for your friends to see you as rich or as poor. So why give them that information?
Money differences create distance.
Most of your friends don't make as much money as you. They might make more, and they might make less. But they probably don't make the exact same. So whatever your salary is, you're now setting yourself apart as different.
People equate salary with richness.
High salary? People will see this as your not having to save like they do. They may not realize that you have a sick parent to take care of and you aren't really all that rich.

Low salary? People might wonder why you're not saving more -- you have your kid's education to think about! What were you thinking buying that house? Of course, they don't realize that you inherited that house from your grandmother.


Bragging is bad.
If someone volunteers that they went to Harvard, people are very quick to perceive this as "bragging," even when it was completely relevant to the conversation. So, Harvard alums will often just say they went to school in Boston. There are some things that are seen as so inherently elitist that simply saying them gets your action classified as bragging. High incomes are one of those things. The saying-my-salary-is-bragging feeling is so ingrained that it's there even when people directly ask. Bragging is considered bad in the US because arrogance is bad, as it being mean or insensitive to others.
It makes other people uncomfortable.
Even if you don't judge people on salary, and you don't think your friends will judge you based on your salary, it still might make them feel bad about themselves (if you're out-earning them). High incomes are seen as a sign of success. If you're out-earning your friends, they might feel bad that they aren't successful enough.


 
it's uncomfortable for your friends to see you as rich or as poor. So why give them that information?
But to be pretending that you're wealthy when you're not should be uncomfortable when you're doing things you can't really afford and you can't get a good nights rest cause you're always thinking about money,bills,repo's,shut off notices and just other normal issues.THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.

I'm not rich,I'm not even comfortable but my bills are paid,I own everything I have,I owe no one nothing and I can do what I want within reason....you don't want to be my friend cause of that,fuck outta here and if you want to be my friend because of that than you won't get much cause I be debating on if I should give niggas a jump start or not.
 
It’s not rude you just want to make sure the playing field is leveled. I encountered a little bit of this when I move from Sprint to T-Mobile…. I’m not going into the full details, but let’s just say my assumptions T-mobile was not correct.
 
If a company is recruiting me for a job......my first question is always "what is the salary expectation? "
Hell I wanna know how much I will be getting paid before I give it any consideration.
Hoes are the same way. They wanna know how much a man is making before they give him any consideration.
 
That's that individual's business, its not cool to pocketwatch, however, if you do get evidence that you are being underpaid then move on it.
 
But to be pretending that you're wealthy when you're not should be uncomfortable when you're doing things you can't really afford and you can't get a good nights rest cause you're always thinking about money,bills,repo's,shut off notices and just other normal issues.THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.

I'm not rich,I'm not even comfortable but my bills are paid,I own everything I have,I owe no one nothing and I can do what I want within reason....you don't want to be my friend cause of that,fuck outta here and if you want to be my friend because of that than you won't get much cause I be debating on if I should give niggas a jump start or not.


That quote came from the link not me…
 

This is how folks stayed under paid. Those discussions need to be had.

If folks got paid fairly, all this bullshit about manners and hurting people's feelings would be less of a problem.
I always thought it was propaganda by companies to keep under paid workers in the dark
It’s not rude you just want to make sure the playing field is leveled. I encountered a little bit of this when I move from Sprint to T-Mobile…. I’m not going into the full details, but let’s just say my assumptions T-mobile was not correct.
If a company is recruiting me for a job......my first question is always "what is the salary expectation? "
Hell I wanna know how much I will be getting paid before I give it any consideration.
Hoes are the same way. They wanna know how much a man is making before they give him any consideration.


Exactly….
 
I never discuss my income and hide my employment information. I never wear my badges outside and coverup any logos identifying my employers. Retarded fools will be calling your job behind your back fucking with your living, reporting everything your doing and laugh when you get fired.

Never tell anybody, not even your family where you work. Lie tell them you work somewhere else, send them on a wild goose chase.

I will redact my information from my paystubs with my landlord, all they need to know is my income. I have caught people trying to call my job, stalking.

This is the type of retarded behavior that mass shooter in Virginia was dealing with that took him over the edge.
 
You never tell folks what you make unless it’s necessary for financial reference.

Majority of folks who do disclose what they make usually are lying or spinning it by telling you their gross and not there net.

And everyone does not make the same salary on any job due to living in certain areas of the country working overtime, bonus’, per deim, commission’s, etc.

You can have two people on the same job, same experience, education and time on job and they can have as much as a $5000 to $25,000 annual pay difference.
 
This is how folks stayed under paid. Those discussions need to be had.

If folks got paid fairly, all this bullshit about manners and hurting people's feelings would be less of a problem.
I tried to drill this into my wife. She said we're not supposed to ask. Well, when the time came to move to Texas she found out her peers were making 20-30 grand a more than her and she finally woke up and got pissed.

I was like yeah, now you believe me, but in the meantime the family took a six figure hit over the last few years cause you believed the company policy was to protect the workers and not the company.

When I transfered to our African devision and was promoted to acting supervisor I asked about salary. Come to find out the new hires almost made double what I did. Add to the fact that they didn't even pay me a supervisor uplift had me planning my exit. When the chance came I bounced. Then they tried to offer me a dollar an hour raise and pay for my air travel. Told them hoes thanks but no thanks.

Long story short it's important to know how you stand financially in regard to your peers
 
As someone that works in advertising PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE discuss your salary.

The idea of not discussing salary is reinforced by companies so that they can underpay people.....especially Black people and women.

Quick example, I was recruited to work on a pharma account that one of my good friends (white dude) works on. We would of been doing the exact same role just on different accounts on the business. They made me an offer and it felt low so I asked my friend what he was making on the account. They offered me $30k less than they white dude that was doing the exact same job. I turned down the job and got what I was worth somewhere else.

Another time when I made SVP at a different agency they offered me $190k for the role. Again the agency didn't realize I have two Black women friends that were both SVPs and two different agencies. They were both being paid $220k for their roles. I let my agency know that I knew the going rate for a SVP in the NYC area and the $190k wasn't it. They paid me $225k cause they would of had to explain to the client why the person they pushed to be the SVP on the account decided to leave instead of take the promotion.

Always talk salary with people in your line of work.
 
And everyone does not make the same salary on any job due to living in certain areas of the country working overtime, bonus’, per deim, commission’s, etc.

You can have two people on the same job, same experience, education and time on job and they can have as much as a $5000 to $25,000 annual pay difference.
That first line is so true especially comparing places like nyc to other places.. hell ny to nj is just separated by a bridge and literally your salary could be 10 of thousands of diff working for the same company.. I remember noticing that with hotel jobs.. how much more ny people were getting compared to same hotel in nj..like double almost triple the amount.. ny union hotel jobs definitely 1 of the most slept on money makers
 
Me personally I have various reasons why I want to know and need to know about salaries/income.. first I like to inform individuals like the youth and people in general all the money making opportunities out there (especially the ones that no degrees is necessary) so it can always give them an open mind when they’re job searching, switching careers, thinking about resorting to negative tactics, etc.. 2nd in the bizz I’m in I like to have a consumer base that has a nice flow of cash coming to them cause it means they might have no problem when it comes to spending.. 3rdI just like being informed how money flows in general( my inner nerd when it comes to math)
 
As someone that works in advertising PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE discuss your salary.

Always talk salary with people in your line of work.

This is assuming ppl, even those closest to you, are that forthcoming with sharing that info.. The culture of salary secrecy is so ingrained in the workplace, it done did a number on the workforce
 
Revealing salary is not a big deal if u ask me. Its not always how much you make, but how well you prioritize and spend it. I know people that make Thousands of dollars more than other people, but are living much worse off due to poor decision making, lack of prioritizing and overall financial illiteracy. Yeah, discuss those salaries so you know where you, your peers and the market stands when it comes to fair pay for fair work.
 
This is assuming ppl, even those closest to you, are that forthcoming with sharing that info.. The culture of salary secrecy is so ingrained in the workplace, it done did a number on the workforce

It depends on how you ask and how close you are with some of the people you work with. So like I said the dude I work with and the two women I work with I'm close with so we will talk salary especially because we know how shady our business is. Also you could do it by saying what you're being offered and asking if that sounds right or if it sounds low.

But to be honest you'd be surprised at how many people will give you salary advice if you straight up ask.
 
That's cause you can't get over on underpaying people when they know what others are making.


WRONG.... it's cause you reward good employees by paying them. Everyone thinks they should be making $100 an hour. Why should I pay someone who ain't willing to come to work on time and obviously shows up to get paid, the same as someone who is taking their job seriously?
 
WRONG.... it's cause you reward good employees by paying them. Everyone thinks they should be making $100 an hour. Why should I pay someone who ain't willing to come to work on time and obviously shows up to get paid, the same as someone who is taking their job seriously?
You simply say that shit. You want what Johnny makes? Perform at his level. The reason Johnny is making ABC is because he's doing XYZ, and you're only doing Z. Step up.
 
You simply say that shit. You want what Johnny makes? Perform at his level. The reason Johnny is making ABC is because he's doing XYZ, and you're only doing Z. Step up.


I wish it was that easy. Em bastids ain't trying to hear that shit. The main problem us they start talking to other employees and now you got a huge mess on your hands. Now everyone is mad cause they ain't making what the top guy is making but they ain't performing like a top guy nor willing to, but exact the same pay. This thread is a perfect example, damn near everyone is saying "talk about your salary so you can compare it to others and get the same".

Your pay should be based on your performance, how much you think you are worth shouldn't change no matter what the next man is making. I have employees right now that ain't shit but think I shod make them a Supervisor manager and then they'll perform like one. SMFH.
 
I wish it was that easy. Em bastids ain't trying to hear that shit. The main problem us they start talking to other employees and now you got a huge mess on your hands. Now everyone is mad cause they ain't making what the top guy is making but they ain't performing like a top guy nor willing to, but exact the same pay. This thread is a perfect example, damn near everyone is saying "talk about your salary so you can compare it to others and get the same".

Your pay should be based on your performance, how much you think you are worth shouldn't change no matter what the next man is making. I have employees right now that ain't shit but think I shod make them a Supervisor manager and then they'll perform like one. SMFH.
Definitely merit to what you are saying...talking about your salary is still good advice for employees because many companies will pay you less than they should if they can get away with it....it would be nice if it were all performance based like you are saying but that aint the case in many places....they pay you based off what you initially negotiated and don't adjust even if your performance warrants it
 
I wish it was that easy. Em bastids ain't trying to hear that shit. The main problem us they start talking to other employees and now you got a huge mess on your hands. Now everyone is mad cause they ain't making what the top guy is making but they ain't performing like a top guy nor willing to, but exact the same pay. This thread is a perfect example, damn near everyone is saying "talk about your salary so you can compare it to others and get the same".

Your pay should be based on your performance, how much you think you are worth shouldn't change no matter what the next man is making. I have employees right now that ain't shit but think I shod make them a Supervisor manager and then they'll perform like one. SMFH.
I understand, but as a top worker who was getting shitted on by my company it goes both ways. I was a senior tech who was a better pilot, technician, company rep, administrator than my superiors. So they always put me with shitty teams cause I could pull the weight. Fuckers had me as night shift supervisor, managing 2 ROV systems and crews, but was making the least amount.

Management looks for mules to cover the incompetent people they have in place. So they tend to pay the glue people less, and not promote them cause they are the foundation. People that work hard and don't ask questions get fucked. Period.

People will always want more, as a business owner you have to decide what you're willing to pay, and also recruit the right type of people.
 
As someone that works in advertising PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE discuss your salary.

The idea of not discussing salary is reinforced by companies so that they can underpay people.....especially Black people and women.

Quick example, I was recruited to work on a pharma account that one of my good friends (white dude) works on. We would of been doing the exact same role just on different accounts on the business. They made me an offer and it felt low so I asked my friend what he was making on the account. They offered me $30k less than they white dude that was doing the exact same job. I turned down the job and got what I was worth somewhere else.

Another time when I made SVP at a different agency they offered me $190k for the role. Again the agency didn't realize I have two Black women friends that were both SVPs and two different agencies. They were both being paid $220k for their roles. I let my agency know that I knew the going rate for a SVP in the NYC area and the $190k wasn't it. They paid me $225k cause they would of had to explain to the client why the person they pushed to be the SVP on the account decided to leave instead of take the promotion.

Always talk salary with people in your line of work.
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You can always go on Glassdor.com to research what people in your industry and even at your company are pulling down.

Great to see what they are offering newbies and for company reviews as well.
 
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