Why are Black people Scared to be Black ?

[LoneStar29]

I don't get it. What irks me the most is Beautiful Black sisters claiming to be EVERYTHING under the rainbow to dilute their blackness. Ain't no part of you Irish.

I don't get that either ... I've met alot of females who do that ... IMO I always thought it's cuz they think the other nationalites mixed in with the Black is what makes them pretty ... not just being Black alone ... they are 100% wrong but that is the impression I got from some of them

Edit: On the flip side though I have met Black people (men and women) who have told me I'm too pretty or my hair is too nice for me to be full Black ... that too me was super distressing I always tell them I'm half black and half blacker lol

 

[VegasGuy]

"Yall need to stop hatin'"

-VG

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

I don't get it. What irks me the most is Beautiful Black sisters claiming to be EVERYTHING under the rainbow to dilute their blackness. Ain't no part of you Irish.

How do you think we got names like McGee and O'Neal, then?

Every DNA study ever taken has said that most Black people in America are about 20% of European descent. To act as if most Black people don't have SOME white in them is might naive. Unless you live in Africa, chances are, you're diluted in some way. We all are.

Did you see Skip Gate's "African American Lives"? There wasn't one Black celebrity, whether it was Chris Rock, Oprah, Quincy Jones, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, or anybody else who was 100% African.

If you don't understand the system that dominates black people then you will continuosly raise such questions. The classification "Black" is a political statement. Black people were told by the white people that practice racism/white supremacy that they are black and that they belong to a race. The system of dominance is not a capitalist, socialist or democratic system. It is a system of racism/white supremacy. This system is also maintained by setting up an environment that black people will automatically hate other black people including themselves and that is a given. The system can't function if "black love" exists. We have to replace racism/white supremacy with justice to have what you'all would call "black love". Love can not exist in a system dominated by injustice. oNE!!!

Yup, they don't even get that we are Black BECAUSE White folks told us we were. The one-drop rule was INVENTED BY WHITES!!! Don't get me wrong. I've spent my whole life subscribing to it, but it's getting harder and harder to look at scientific research from Blacks, Whites, Asians, and everybody else and hate on somebody who's technically correct in that they are of African descent and also of another descent, when it's racism that's forced us to cling to "Blackness" in the first place.

Was her father Puerto Rican?

It doesn't really matter. Puerto Rican is a Nationality not a race. It's like saying American.

Yall niggas kill me. Down a chick for having perms and weaves but the same niggas will down a man for having natural Black hairstyles like braids and dreads. I like chicks with all hairtypes as long as they look good. Natural or not. All women who get perms and weaves dont do it to be white. Some do it for ease of styling it and some just look better with it.

That's because you are a logical human being and the way most people should be.

The Original Poster is asking the wrong fucking QUESTION?

Before you ask whether Blacks are "scared to be Black", first you need to DEFINE "being BLACK"!

I challenge the Original Poster to ASK, "WHY are Black People scared to be GREAT AMERICANS"?

For all of America's EVIL PAST, and for all of America's FLAWS, it is still be best place on the PLANET with the greatest amount of Individual Freedoms that will allow a Person to achieve whatever they can dream.

People of Color from other places, many much darker than the avg. African-American can come to America and take advantage of the Educational System and perform on par with "WHITES" from the wealthiest neighborhoods and most elite Private Schools, yet we as Black Americans still don't take education as seriously as we should.

So rather than the original poster asking why are we sacred to be "Black", he should be asking WHY are we scared to be GREAT AMERICANS.

Once we become "better Americans" like other People of Color that come to America, then 99% of our "so-called problems" WILL BE SOLVED.

How can you be a "better American" than Black people? Other than building this country and letting it enslave us for 400 years, what else could we give? We've fought in every war this country's ever had, even with The South in the Civil War. We fought WITH the people who wanted to keep us slaves. We are 33 percent of the military, yet only 12% of the population.

We've invented countless inventions that have driven the American economy. We've won gold medals for America, even when we couldn't eat in the same restaurants and weren't considered complete human beings.

We've done everything a people can do for a society.

This is why people don't take you seriously on here. Your coondom is just staggering.

WHY ARE MOST NEGROES COLOR STRUCK? MOST BLACK PEOPLE(MAN AND WOMAN) PREFER A LIGHTBRIGHT. WTF?

Says who? Most Black male sex symbols, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, 2pac, Tyson Beckford, Djimon Hounsou and everybody else is chocolate or dark-skinned. Now, the women are a different story, but Janet Jackson, Ciara, Whitney Houston and Naomi Campbell have been in plenty of Black Men's fantasies.

 

[Mr. Met]

Because They Are Affraid That White People Wont Like Them.

Partly true as demonstrated by the whole "n" word nonsense.

But what is "being black".

Some people are who they are due to their surroundings.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

How do you think we got names like McGee and O'Neal, then?

Every DNA study ever taken has said that most Black people in America are about 20% of European descent. To act as if most Black people don't have SOME white in them is might naive. Unless you live in Africa, chances are, you're diluted in some way. We all are.

Did you see Skip Gate's "African American Lives"? There wasn't one Black celebrity, whether it was Chris Rock, Oprah, Quincy Jones, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, or anybody else who was 100% African.

You dumb fool, I know all of that. You obviously don't understand what I am saying, so I bid you adieu. No time to argue with fools.

 

[Popcorn Luva]

We live in a world conditioned to view everything white as being right and you ask such a question?

Basically.

 

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Inspired by the Good hair vs Bad Hair thread from (0_0)..l.. finger.
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[IntelligentDyme]

How does having a preference mean you a colorstruck?

Colorstruck = light, bright, damn near white skin is superior to anything darker than whatever the limit is

Preference = sexually attracted to whatever color...dark, medium or light.

I have a PREFERENCE for red/red-brown niggus...with black features...not them El Debarge types...

But I still give a dark nigga props...they just don't do it for me sexually.

That don't make me colorstruck...

I am not colorstruck but I am brothastruck- I love brothas

Nobody is born with a preference of color-these things are shaped by environment and experiences..The only preference system built in at birth your gustatory system-and even that can be shaped by experiences and environment...

Social psychological experiments have shown natural preferences of attractiveness that are based on average features and symmetry (i.e. George Clooney, Denzel Washington are said to have more universal appeal because they have almost pefect facial symmetry, and average features), other than that, preferences for skin color, hair type, and body-type are based on environment and experiences and varies by culture/society.

Example: why do most women "prefer" taller men? Not because they were born with that preference, but it has been shaped by the culture and society that we live in; it dominates, so we tend to prefer it.

People tend to like what they are used to seeing, which is why people say that they marry people who remind them of their mother or fathers and even siblings, in terms of personality as well as physicality..

People tend to like what society tells them they should like, i.e. weight, hair color, celebrities etc. Being constantly bombarded with imagery also shapes your preference.

So whether or not you feel that the term colorstruck applies, your preference for lighter skinned men is not something you developed naturally or entirely on you on.

 

[HALO2]

 

[Makkonnen]

why aren't black people scared to make bullshit threads?

 

[LeroyDibiase]

I am not colorstruck but I am brothastruck- I love brothas

Nobody is born with a preference of color-these things are shaped by environment and experiences..The only preference system built in at birth your gustatory system-and even that can be shaped by experiences and environment...

Social psychological experiments have shown natural preferences of attractiveness that are based on average features and symmetry (i.e. George Clooney, Denzel Washington are said to have more universal appeal because they have almost pefect facial symmetry, and average features), other than that, preferences for skin color, hair type, and body-type are based on environment and experiences and varies by culture/society.

Example: why do most women "prefer" taller men? Not because they were born with that preference, but it has been shaped by the culture and society that we live in; it dominates, so we tend to prefer it.

People tend to like what they are used to seeing, which is why people say that they marry people who remind them of their mother or fathers and even siblings, in terms of personality as well as physicality..

People tend to like what society tells them they should like, i.e. weight, hair color, celebrities etc. Being constantly bombarded with imagery also shapes your preference.

So whether or not you feel that the term colorstruck applies, your preference for lighter skinned men is not something you developed naturally or entirely on you on.

OMG. :love:

(except for the tall men thing, that has been shown in similar social experiments to be a natural inclination due the subconscious belief that size in a man promotes security)

However, I would counter-argument in *GULP* Swisher_sweets defense that colorstruck is a preference of lighter-skinned people to the detriment of darker-skinned people while a preference is just that; preferring, and you're not excluding anything.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

intelligentdyme >>>>

 

[P03t]

I don't get it. What irks me the most is Beautiful Black sisters claiming to be EVERYTHING under the rainbow to dilute their blackness. Ain't no part of you Irish.

man if I got a nickel for everytime a Black chick told me she is 1/2 indian I would be a rich man...

 

[LeroyDibiase]

intelligentdyme >>>>

Back off son.

 

[IntelligentDyme]

OMG. :love:

(except for the tall men thing, that has been shown in similar social experiments to be a natural inclination due the subconscious belief that size in a man promotes security)

However, I would counter-argument in *GULP* Swisher_sweets defense that colorstruck is a preference of lighter-skinned people to the detriment of darker-skinned people while a preference is just that; preferring, and you're not excluding anything.

I would like to know more about those experiments, in my years of study in psychology I have never come across that. I would also argue that belief dictates preference and vice versa, and that the size of man as symbol of security is a social thing, and hence supports my theory that society dictactes and perpetuates it.. Im sure in Asia height is not that much of a concern or an issue of preference as it is here.

Example: social psychological experiments have shown that men find women to be more attractive based off the woman's hip-to-waist ratio, and this is true across cultures... which indicates an innate tendency to be attracted to this form (i.e. more sexually desirable and easiness of birth; think survival of the fittest) but in Western/American society this hip-to-waist ratio is not the standard of beauty (though I do see it on BGOL ). This shows that societal norms and perception of beauty can and do even overpower one's innate preference to be attracted to something different.

 

[SaKem]

why aren't black people scared to make bullshit threads?

lol

 

[LeroyDibiase]

I would like to know more about those experiments, in my years of study in psychology I have never come across that. I would also argue that belief dictates preference and vice versa, and that the size of man as symbol of security is a social thing, and hence supports my theory that society dictactes perpetuates it.. Im sure in Asia height is not that much of a concern or an issue of preference as it is here.

Example: social psychological experiments have shown that men find women to be more attractive based off the woman's hip-to-waist ratio, and this is true across cultures... which indicates an innate tendency to be attracted to this form (i.e. more sexually desirable and easiness of birth; think survival of the fittest) but in Western/American society this hip-to-waist ratio is not the standard of beauty (though I do see it on BGOL ). This shows that societal norms and perception of beauty can and do even overpower one's innate preference to be attracted to something different.

Ah yes my friend. See that is where society comes in and tries to rewire the brain. You mentioned Asian society as a place where height wouldn't be seen as an indicator of attractiveness. Well, that's because it is phenotypically unlikely that an Asian man would be tall. The Asian men run that society and have thus, redefined the indicators of attractiveness. However, you can still see the subconscious draw their women have to taller foreigners that visit or when they come to America. They leave their men in droves.

Same thing here in America. We all know the studies about the hip-to-waist ratio being a measure of attractiveness, well guess who runs American society? The White man. His problem, however, is that the Black woman is the epitome of HTW ratio. BUT, he cannot have Black women being the most attractive in society. Therefore, he has rewritten the indicators of attractiveness to fit what he find in the White women. The same thing that happened here with the HTW ratio is the same thing that happened in Asia with the height attraction.

 

[IntelligentDyme]

Ah yes my friend. See that is where society comes in and tries to rewire the brain. You mentioned Asian society as a place where height wouldn't be seen as an indicator of attractiveness. Well, that's because it is phenotypically unlikely that an Asian man would be tall. The Asian men run that society and have thus, redefined the indicators of attractiveness. However, you can still see the subconscious draw their women have to taller foreigners that visit or when they come to America. They leave their men in droves.

Same thing here in America. We all know the studies about the hip-to-waist ratio being a measure of attractiveness, well guess who runs American society? The White man. His problem, however, is that the Black woman is the epitome of HTW ratio. BUT, he cannot have Black women being the most attractive in society. Therefore, he has rewritten the indicators of attractiveness to fit what he find in the White women. The same thing that happened here with the HTW ratio is the same thing that happened in Asia with the height attraction.

Good points again (not the I would expect anything less from you at this point). Couldn't this be explained both innately as well as environmentally? Most Asian women that I see who are not with Asian men are usually with white men. So couldn't this be attributed to assimilation and acculturation and not height? When you become constantly surrounded by the dominate group and feel the need to belong and see white men as being the symbol of American culture and ideals and success, couldn't this explain why they leave their men?

 

[P03t]

So are you saying there is something WRONG with my preference? So fuggin what if its what I am used to seeing or not...what matters is that its what I PREFER...it gets the job done for ME.

My experience would be that red niggus arouse me more on a physical level than dark niggus do. I would love to say that if a dark niggu came along and he was perfect in all ways but skin tone I'd still marry the man but hell I'd be lying. That ain't fair to him if he ain't getting me off 100% cuz of something as superficial as skintone...but it is what it is.

At least I'm honest.

so you ain't color struck...sad....

you basically said you would pass up a "dark" good brotha because of his cpmplexion....

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Good points again (not the I would expect anything less from you at this point). Couldn't this be explained both innately as well as environmentally? Most Asian women that I see who are not with Asian men are usually with white men. So couldn't this be attributed to assimilation and acculturation and not height? When you become constantly surrounded by the dominate group and feel the need to belong and see white men as being the symbol of American culture and ideals and success, couldn't this explain why they leave their men?

The Asian culture is a hard race to use as examples because of their historical practice of isolationism and their damn-near fetishcism of the Black and White man. However, if it was just "assimilation and acculturation", wouldn't you see similar occurrences within Afro-Caribbean immigrants or Hispanic immigrants? I would say that they are going to go to what they are attracted to and in America, height isn't an issue (saying that for all intents and purposes all races are of similar to equal average heights).

 

[IntelligentDyme]

So are you saying there is something WRONG with my preference? So fuggin what if its what I am used to seeing or not...what matters is that its what I PREFER...it gets the job done for ME.

My experience would be that red niggus arouse me more on a physical level than dark niggus do. I would love to say that if a dark niggu came along and he was perfect in all ways but skin tone I'd still marry the man but hell I'd be lying. That ain't fair to him if he ain't getting me off 100% cuz of something as superficial as skintone...but it is what it is.

At least I'm honest.

I don't think my post ever once stated or alluded to whether you were right or wrong in your preference.. I was simply explaining that prefence is not innate, it is learned and experienced. If you keep telling yourself that a dark man will never be what you are attracted to then that will be the first thing that you think about when you see one, as your thoughts will be reflected in your actions, you won't be able to give him a real chance because you have already made up in your mind that he won't be able to satisfy you.

As for what I have bolded, you seemed to only make my point, you said it yourself that it is superficial and if you think that a man's skintone is directly related to his ability to "get you off", I honestly think it's sad and really reiterates that this is a much deeper thing...At some point in life I hope that you realize that a man being able to bring you an orgasm is about communication and connections, and not about complexions....and I absolutely respect your honesty..

what is red niggus?

 

[P03t]

I'm not colorstruck because I never said he was a lesser man...I'd just be lesser SEXUALLY attracted to him...why would I marry a man I am not physically attracted to?

I may be shallow but I am far from colorstruck.

and stupid (no disrespect)

all I'm saying for you to past up a man or woman that is educated...treats you right...sucessful...a good partner because of his/her skin tone is ridiculous IMO.....

and what if he was attrctive but just dark?

or are you saying dark brothas are just unattractive...?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Back off son.

lolllllll

damn looks like peachey ain't having that shit.

no more peaches for you

 

[IntelligentDyme]

The Asian culture is a hard race to use as examples because of their historical practice of isolationism and their damn-near fetishcism of the Black and White man. However, if it was just "assimilation and acculturation", wouldn't you see similar occurrences within Afro-Caribbean immigrants or Hispanic immigrants? I would say that they are going to go to what they are attracted to and in America, height isn't an issue (saying that for all intents and purposes all races are of similar to equal average heights).

I think you are right and perhaps your example of the type of cultural practices and backgrounds can help explain why Afro-Carribean and Hispanic immigrants, don't exhibit this as much. Perhaps it comes from tighter knit family systems...I woul argued that there are proportionally more black sin america with white partners than the aforementioned groups, because blacks are more dispersed, have less unity, are no longer closely knit, have not remained true to their cultural tradtions and have wanted to become more a part of the dominant group. Whereas Afro-Carribeans and Hispanic immigrants are usually tighter knit, hold on to more traditions and customs, but even with that being said, I think Hispanics having a white partner, in my experience, is more acceptable than them being with any other non-hispanic group, and I definitely don't think that has anything to do with height.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

lolllllll

damn looks like peachey ain't having that shit.

no more peaches for you

Only thing peachy about her is the fuzz on her upper lip.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

I think you are right and perhaps your example of the type of cultural practices and backgrounds can help explain why Afro-Carribean and Hispanic immigrants, don't exhibit this as much. Perhaps it comes from tighter knit family systems...I woul argued that there are proportionally more black sin america with white partners than the aforementioned groups, because blacks are more dispersed, have less unity, are no longer closely knit, have not remained true to their cultural tradtions and have wanted to become more a part of the dominant group. Whereas Afro-Carribeans and Hispanic immigrants are usually tighter knit, hold on to more traditions and customs, but even with that being said, I think Hispanics having a white partner, in my experience, is more acceptable than them being with any other non-hispanic group, and I definitely don't think that has anything to do with height.

You talk too much.

I hope you're in somebody's university.

 

[IntelligentDyme]

I'm not colorstruck because I never said he was a lesser man...I'd just be lesser SEXUALLY attracted to him...why would I marry a man I am not physically attracted to?

I may be shallow but I am far from colorstruck.

I have yet to meet any deep colorstruck people

 

[P03t]

I see how condition we really are....shit is funny....

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Same shit y'all do to decent Fat women...but my black ass is stupid.

See it all makes sense doesn't it?

Y'all gotta realize she's from LA, one of the most fucked up racially states in the country.

 

[IntelligentDyme]

Now you just overanalyzing shit...you think at 29 years old I don't know it takes more than skintone [something that varies according to seasons anyways]?

I AM NOT SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO DARK SKINNED MEN...never have been. Never will be. Why do I have to find them sexually attractive? Why do I have to give him a chance? Hell I think I am doing him a favor when I say I am not interested...and trust me I do it often.

When you come up with a good answer for my last 2 questions...we can chat.

Until then...keep hypothesizing.

And it really ain't that deep...Ma, I like what the hell I like. Nothing you study in a psych 101 class will ever change it.

Not for me or anybody else for that matter.

I don't have to read a book to know that humans are fickle and they like what they like. No need to justify it by saying its environmental conditioning...you don't know that for a fact. Based on what YOU think, then being sexually attracted to dark skinned men should be innate from birth just because what? I'm of African descent...which is equally sad...IF thats what YOU think.

And it sounds like thats what you are saying.

You don't get it.. and I apologize that you took so much offense to it...age has nothing to do with (your snide remarks, curse words, and use of "red niggus' and "dark niggues" shows that).. maybe the fact that you are dictacted by skin color as a means of sexual arousal and the fact that it isn't that deep to you is the problem...your smart antics are about the only thoughtful things you seemed to have typed... and even that statement is arguable..FYI I am beyond Psych 101- I teach the class, I'm not a student.

 

[IntelligentDyme]

See it all makes sense doesn't it?

Y'all gotta realize she's from LA, one of the most fucked up racially states in the country.

BEING fat is an issue of health and self-love and long life...how can this even be comparable to preferring light skinned over dark skinned..

 

[LeroyDibiase]

You don't get it.. and I apologize that you took so much offense to it...age has nothing to do with (your snide remarks, curse words, and use of "red niggus' and "dark niggues" shows that).. maybe the fact that you are dictacted by skin color as a means of sexual arousal and the fact that it isn't that deep to you is the problem...your smart antics are about the only thoughtful things you seemed to have typed... and even that statement is arguable..FYI I am beyond Psych 101- I teach the class, I'm not a student.

*losing...interest...by the second*

You talk too much.

BEING fat is an issue of health and self-love and long life...how can this even be comparable to preferring light skinned over dark skinned..

I didn't make the comparison, she did. However, she has a decent point. How can a group of people complain about, in this case, her discriminating based on color, when that group will discriminate based on size.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

this can't be life

 

[IntelligentDyme]

*losing...interest...by the second*

You talk too much.

lol yet you keep responding.....

 

[P03t]

Niggu please...you couldn't offend me if you wanted to...especially not on this topic.

I never said they were unnattractive as a whole. I am saying I am not sexually attracted to them...and yeah I'd prolly keep it moving if I was sexually unnattracted to them for whatever physical reason...its not that ridiculous.

You seem vexed...are you dark skinned?

Same shit y'all do to decent Fat women...but my black ass is stupid.

GTF.

one a fat chick is unhealthy and I don't want a unhealthy chick....I keep my self in shape...for a variety of reasons....

I want a woman in shape..BUT i have dated big women B4....

thats one...

next I'm not dark skin...and if I was.... I would be damn proud....

your a foolish chick......

you said you would pass up a good brotha for something so dumb as skin complexion?

....

good luck to you tho....

next B4 you come at ppl on here...learn how to respond back w/o profanity and your common reference to black men as "niggu"....obviously you seem young...or young minded....and probably wouldn't know a good brotha if you came across one....

you said it was "shallow"....thats one thing we both can agree on....