YAWL REALLY FORGOT HIM
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Worldwide he was larger than life. Only laid down for Hogan and Warrior because realistically neither could beat him even in his waning stage as a heel.
Who's the Greatest Wrestler of All Time????
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Worldwide he was larger than life. Only laid down for Hogan and Warrior because realistically neither could beat him even in his waning stage as a heel.
No way. Graham may have influenced the muscular SHOWMEN that came after (like Hogan), the way "Gorgeous George" influenced the previous era of wrestlers (and boxers, like Ali), but Bruno was the first LIKEABLE and SKILLED "superstar" of the modern TV era. Wrestling was monstrously huge on TV in the '50s and then fell off. Bruno (first), then Pedro Morales and an assortment of colorful villains brought it back strong in the late '60s and through the '70s, setting the stage for the HUGE television explosion in the '80s.
Flair and Double A
Shawn Michaels
Undertaker
Sting
and this man right here who i wish would've had a run in WWF/E
GIFSoup
There are some great names in here. Cats have mentioned everyone from Hogan, Flair, Kolov, Steamboat, Double A, and many others that came to (my) mind in thinking about this topic. Even cats like New Jack, Sabu, and Jeff HArdy got mentioned. That's what's up. That being said, let me ask a question about the Great Muta. How in the fuck did he hold that green shit in his mouth for that damn long, and then spit it out and have it be like a mist or dust? I've wondered that for year. Does anyone know or have any theories?
I have a few others I think are/were the shit, but let me read from page 3 on to see if they have already been mentioned...
Yes. I was thinking Midnight Express for one of the best tag teams. Bobby and Stan used to whip ass...
Here are a few more (tag team) names for consideration and discussion:
Demolition
Harlem Heat
The Gangstas
Hart Foundation (I think they were mentioned. Brett was as an individual).
The Funks (I didn't see Terry Funk mentioned yet in here)
The Steiner Brothers
British Bulldogs
L.O.D. (Already mentioned, but those boys were bad)
Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka
Word. I was wondering why Jimmy hadn't been mentioned before this...
Here are more individuals to think about:
Jake The Snake
Terry Funk
Nikita Kolov (Someone mentioned him though)
Ron Simmons
Kevin Nash (Some mentioned big/tall cats)
Under Taker (Big/tall)
Tony Atlas
Still, no. "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers was a bigger national tv star than Bruno and he is mentioned more often as an influence than Bruno. There was no national tv in the 70s, it was all territories at that point.
Graham had more influence than on the muscular showmen but in the nature of the business. After Graham, even more of a premium was put on looks and mic skills than in ring ability. Graham was a gate attraction based solely on what he said and how he looked. While Bruno was a definitely an attraction, I question whether he could have sustained that kind of drawing power in a NWA territory without a large Italian population. As it was, it was McMahon and Toots Mondt that made him a champion. It wasn't likely they would have put him in as NWA champion over Gene Kiniski or Dory Funk Jr, his contemporaries as world champions.
There are some great names in here. Cats have mentioned everyone from Hogan, Flair, Kolov, Steamboat, Double A, and many others that came to (my) mind in thinking about this topic. Even cats like New Jack, Sabu, and Jeff HArdy got mentioned. That's what's up. That being said, let me ask a question about the Great Muta. How in the fuck did he hold that green shit in his mouth for that damn long, and then spit it out and have it be like a mist or dust? I've wondered that for year. Does anyone know or have any theories?
He just did. It's kind of gross really but it was cool as shit to watch. I think he may have had some at ringside or maybe Gary Hart carried it until he needed it. Now you got me wondering.
HBK >_______________ the end.
Cael Norman Sanderson (born June 20, 1979, in Salt Lake City, Utah), (pronounced "kale") is considered one of the greatest American amateur wrestlers of all time. A 2004 Olympic champion in Athens, Greece, he went undefeated in four years of college wrestling at Iowa State University (159–0), winning four consecutive NCAA titles (1999–2002). He is the only wrestler in NCAA history to go undefeated with more than 100 wins. Sports Illustrated named his college career as the second most impressive college sports feat behind the setting of four world records by Jesse Owens in a single hour at the 1935 Big Ten track and field conference championship meet.
Let me show my math on why Flair is the greatest
He was a better worker than Hogan, Dusty, and The Rock
Better talker than Hart, Michaels, Bruno or Race
Worked on top, having great matches longer than Austin, Hogan, Hart or Michaels
Put over more guys, making them top guys, than anybody
With the exception of Bruno, Dusty, and Harley Race, every guy on this list had a run on top started and ended during the time Flair was on top and drawing money. Michaels got a second run after taking 5 years off.
Drew money as a heel and a babyface while Bruno and Rick Steamboat never worked heel.
I can't include Japanese guys like Misawa and Tsuruta because the Japanese culture and presentation of wrestling is way, way different and has been for a long time.
Damn, no love for HHH. None? I know he's played the political part far too much but he's still a great, great wrestler. Some people see him as a Flair-wannabe but I always see more Harley than Ric in him.
He was a better worker than Hogan, Dusty, and The Rock
Better talker than Hart, Michaels, Bruno or Race
Worked on top, having great matches longer than Austin, Hogan, Hart or Michaels
Put over more guys, making them top guys, than anybody
With the exception of Bruno, Dusty, and Harley Race, every guy on this list had a run on top started and ended during the time Flair was on top and drawing money. Michaels got a second run after taking 5 years off.
Drew money as a heel and a babyface while Bruno and Rick Steamboat never worked heel.
I can't include Japanese guys like Misawa and Tsuruta because the Japanese culture and presentation of wrestling is way, way different and has been for a long time.
Damn, no love for HHH. None? I know he's played the political part far too much but he's still a great, great wrestler. Some people see him as a Flair-wannabe but I always see more Harley than Ric in him.
The greatest Ring psychologist of all time.
Norman Smiley
Rey mysterio, shelton benjamin and I'd give it to the rock. All of them had some of the sickest reversals I had ever seen and on top of that seemed like they were the most creative. I remember seeing shelton in those tlc matches doing shit I never seen in my life.
I will never understand the appeal of fake redneck wrestling.
Fake redneck wrestling performed by people all over the world, including black people.
I will never understand the appeal of dropping into a thread on a topic that doesn't interest you.
@ trolls
nuff said...
If the topic were on GOAT heels, then I personally would've thrown him into the conversation. I'd put HHH in that second-to-third tier of all-time greats though, he gets props from me for overcoming the bullshit he went through early in his career. UD, did HHH still have The Pedigree as a finisher when he was Terra Ryzing or did that only come into play when he became HHH? I can't think of anyone who came up around that period who still has the same finisher and has never changed it.
This discussion always has to end with Ric Flair.
Fake redneck wrestling performed by people all over the world, including black people.
I will never understand the appeal of dropping into a thread on a topic that doesn't interest you.
Thanks.
I don't go into Raz B threads so I don't know why non-fans come into wrestling threads.
I'd put HHH in that same tier. Dude's had a lot of great matches but he's been so protected by the booking, even before he married the boss's daughter, that it takes some shine off him. The injuries that have kept him out for years cumulatively also come into play.
He didn't start using the Pedigree until he was Hunter Hearst Helmsley. As Terra Ryzing in WCW, he used an Indian deathlock submission. Considering the wear and tear on his knees, I'm surprised he never went back to use it occassionally like Shawn Michaels used to whip out the reverse figure four and Undertaker uses a gogoplata.
That's what happens when unsupervised kids and bitch niggas have internet access.
I agree that HHH is this generations version of Harley Race.
This generations version of Flair is no doubt Chris Jericho. I would say it was AJ Styles, but AJ has virtually NO MIC SKILLS.
Yep on both.
TNA horribly misuses AJ whenever they use him as a heel because heels, excluding monsters like Abyss, need to be able to talk. AJ's a lot like Magnum TA in that he's great in the ring but at his best is only okay on the mic. Like Magnum, he does his best mic work when he's doing realistic interviews. He was doing good stuff at the end of last year and his interviews on ReAction are always good.
c/s 100000%
Abyss was WAYYYY much better as the original MONSTER Abyss. A silent wrecking machine when he was with James Mitchell. The same with Kane, Great Khali, and Samoa Joe.
The people who NEED to remain silent, like R. Truth, gets all the mic time in the world. R Truth has tremendous skill, but they need to change his theme music to one with no lyrics and make him into a heel character like when he wrestled in Memphis.
Shawn had a lot but he wasn't the best talker and has a horrible history of making or putting over new guys.
God Almighty. It's been over 20 years and I still have a feeling ofwhen I see this. Damn Dibiase was good. That guy could also work face and heel effectively.
yet you wonder how his son can be so gotdamn swagless
I was born in 77...I have no idea who was runnin the 60'2 and 70's in wrestling.
Maybe I don't agree and can never agree because I was always a WWF fan. I've seen Flair's matches before and always thought he was a great wrestler but not the greatest. But then again, I wasn't a big fan of NWA or WCW.
Definitely Steve Gillberg
Greatest Wrestler: Rick Flair
Greatest Champion: Bruno Sammartino(Never saw him wrestle but if you had the title for almost a decade you're a great champion..imo)
Greatest Heel:Rick Rude
Greatest Technical Wrestler
ean Malenko
Greatest Mic Skill:Rick Flair
Greatest Champion: Bruno Sammartino(Never saw him wrestle but if you had the title for almost a decade you're a great champion..imo)
Greatest Heel:Rick Rude
Greatest Technical Wrestler
ean MalenkoGreatest Mic Skill:Rick Flair
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