When will it be normal again?

For starters, let's be real. Even if covid-19 were to magically disappear tomorrow the country would still be 26 trillion dollars in debt. Millions of Americans would still be out of work, and hundreds of thousands of Americans would still have to deal with the life changing loss of a loved one. All of us would still have the collective mental scars caused by the uncertainty and fear this disease has brought us.

You also have to consider 9/11. for those of us old enough to remember it seems like life has gone back to normal since then, but if you died on 9/10 and came back to life this morning what would you make of the increased airport security? The department of Homeland Security? Surveillance cameras everywhere? militarized police departments? ID requirements at international borders? Everything you would see as complete paranoia would look normal to the rest of us.
 
I think that most of the country will open up no later than spring of 2021 regardless of whether or not we invent a vaccine. By that point the disease will die out from a lack of hosts, new therapeutic treatments will lower the death rate, and business owners will find new techniques and inventions to help prevent the spread.

Economic recovery will take at least until 2024 because these bailouts are only the beginning. The country will also need to spend trillions more to improve our public health infrastructure to make sure this kind of devastation never happens again.

At the end of the day the biggest consequence of covid-19 will be American's profound distrust of the federal government. Donald Trump's administration exposed how flawed and vulnerable our democracy is, but the pandemic has magnified this a thousand fold. If Biden when's the election he is going to be fighting an uphill battle to regain that trust. If Trump wins, or even worse successfully holds the election hostage, it will get to the point where states start to secede from the Union.

International relations will be even harder to predict. I'm not even going to try.
 
You also have to consider 9/11. for those of us old enough to remember it seems like life has gone back to normal since then, but if you died on 9/10 and came back to life this morning what would you make of the increased airport security? The department of Homeland Security? Surveillance cameras everywhere? militarized police departments? ID requirements at international borders? Everything you would see as complete paranoia would look normal to the rest of us.

Your example only illustrates how unaffected everyday life has been.

The only exception is surveillance cameras but while 9/11 increased surveillance through measures like the Patriot Act, we would have cameras everywhere today regardless.

For starters, let's be real. Even if covid-19 were to magically disappear tomorrow the country would still be 26 trillion dollars in debt. Millions of Americans would still be out of work, and hundreds of thousands of Americans would still have to deal with the life changing loss of a loved one. All of us would still have the collective mental scars caused by the uncertainty and fear this disease has brought us.

You're right about the real human impact but those things-- dealing with death, trauma, poverty-- are all normal. Life is never the same for a lot of people day after day. But this question is about social normalcy-- "like two months ago rather than most of the country under stay at home orders," as stated in the intro.
 
I've been surprised at how quickly people were going back to normal but it really seems to be accelerating.

Football kicks off tonight. And I was amazed by this...


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How are we two dozen replies in and nobody has commented on the lack of masks and social distancing? Is the coronavirus over?
 
I think it gets back closer to normal late Spring 2021 if the vaccine efficacy is what they are saying it is.

I don't think we ever get back to a pre-covid normalcy.
 


Fauci says masks "possibly" will continue into next year.

"If normality means exactly the way things were before we had this happen to us... I mean, I can't predict that."
 
Las Vegas buffets have disappeared. Workers are now left wondering: What's next?

LAS VEGAS — Nestor Gutierrez is a casualty of the COVID-19 pandemic. But not the way you might think.

The 53-year-old buffet cook spent 16 years at Texas Station. Then came March 2020. COVID-19 collapsed Nevada tourism, and the resort closed.

Gutierrez lost his job. Station Casinos paid him until May, but he has yet to return to work. His unemployment payment supports a household that includes his wife, two children and 92-year-old father.

He waits for a callback, but Texas Station has not announced plans to open. It’s not the closure that concerns Gutierrez and frontline hospitality workers like him. It's the reality of being jobless in a world where their skills translate nowhere else.

"I've been applying all over the place, but no one answers," he said. "I don't know what's going to happen. I've only been working in the kitchen."

The idea of starting a new job like construction at his age is hard for Gutierrez to imagine. So he spends his time hoping for a future where the pandemic is over and he can return to the job he knows how to do. The pandemic has left thousands of Las Vegas workers like Gutierrez asking the same question: What now?

Something missing

In a place that transforms to feed the tastes of the latest vacationing generation, some things never change. On a recent Friday night, people packed Caesars Palace. Masks covered faces. Plexiglass separated gamblers. Cards came flying out of dealer hands.

At the nearby Cosmopolitan, well-dressed night owls leaned on bars. New arrivals wheeled luggage to rooms. Slot players tapped the flashing buttons of favorite machines.

Sounds like a Friday night in Vegas. But something is missing.

Where are the buffets?

A Vegas stronghold disappears

Before COVID-19, buffets were a Las Vegas staple. They began as greasy spoons where gamblers piled mountains of food on plates themselves. Resorts like Caesars Palace and Wynn evolved buffets into pricier experiences built on top-shelf menus. Gone was the grease and in came the glitz.

Buffets have long been the hospitality industry’s “loss leaders” — the part of the casino that costs more than it brings in but drives people to other parts of the resort. Visitors like options. Las Vegas prided itself as an adult fantasyland with options for everyone.
COVID-19 changed all that. Social distancing and health guidelines made buffets obsolete almost overnight.

Circus Circus closed its buffet in March 2020 and later revealed it would remodel part of the buffet space for a food court. It's unknown when the buffet will return.

Wynn Las Vegas tried having staff take orders at its all-you-can-eat buffet instead of letting guests serve themselves. But the resort closed it in September after customers made it clear they preferred the old way.

The last buffet to go on The Strip was the Cosmopolitan’s Wicked Spoon. It temporarily closed in January.

Before COVID-19, Las Vegas had about 40 buffets. Today, there is one.

The last buffet

It’s about 4 p.m. on a recent Tuesday. Outside the South Point Hotel's Garden Buffet, hungry patrons wait. It’s dinnertime at the last buffet on Las Vegas Boulevard.

“A lot of people say buffets are old-school Vegas. It’s the thing Vegas became known for, and everybody had them. They became a mainstay,” said South Point General Manager Ryan Growney. “The problem with buffets is they are very expensive to operate. For that reason, you’ve seen a lot of people move away from them.

The decision to keep it open was a based on a simple philosophy: What the people want, the people get.

“Customers like it. It’s a people driver. It’s a great thing to take care of your slot and pit customers,” Growney said. “If somebody comes in and you can send them an offer or send them lunch or dinner, there’s great value in that.”

Patrons walk away from the service counter with cake and pie slices. Some wait for a play of Mongolian beef and stir-fried vegetables. Others stand in line for a slab of pink-in-the-middle prime rib.

Will buffets one day return to the Las Vegas scene?

Growney can’t speak for any resort but the South Point, but he has his theories.

“I don’t know how many will come back. Some will choose to go the other way. Some will leave the standard buffet experience in place. Ours will stay in place,” he said. “Last man standing.”

 
My concern is it is a long period of forced celibacy for single folks! And I don't know how many prime years I have left!

But, yeah, many Republicans have already argued that the economy is worth sacrificing lives.



I picked August because of where I think the politics are headed.

I think it is clear that going back to "normal" too soon will lead to a spike in infections and reset the cycle. It's stupid and counter-productive to the best of my knowledge.


Oh u havent been fuckin??
I been wrecking shop in several states
 
Las Vegas buffets have disappeared. Workers are now left wondering: What's next?

LAS VEGAS — Nestor Gutierrez is a casualty of the COVID-19 pandemic. But not the way you might think.

The 53-year-old buffet cook spent 16 years at Texas Station. Then came March 2020. COVID-19 collapsed Nevada tourism, and the resort closed.

Gutierrez lost his job. Station Casinos paid him until May, but he has yet to return to work. His unemployment payment supports a household that includes his wife, two children and 92-year-old father.

He waits for a callback, but Texas Station has not announced plans to open. It’s not the closure that concerns Gutierrez and frontline hospitality workers like him. It's the reality of being jobless in a world where their skills translate nowhere else.

"I've been applying all over the place, but no one answers," he said. "I don't know what's going to happen. I've only been working in the kitchen."

The idea of starting a new job like construction at his age is hard for Gutierrez to imagine. So he spends his time hoping for a future where the pandemic is over and he can return to the job he knows how to do. The pandemic has left thousands of Las Vegas workers like Gutierrez asking the same question: What now?

Something missing

In a place that transforms to feed the tastes of the latest vacationing generation, some things never change. On a recent Friday night, people packed Caesars Palace. Masks covered faces. Plexiglass separated gamblers. Cards came flying out of dealer hands.

At the nearby Cosmopolitan, well-dressed night owls leaned on bars. New arrivals wheeled luggage to rooms. Slot players tapped the flashing buttons of favorite machines.

Sounds like a Friday night in Vegas. But something is missing.

Where are the buffets?

A Vegas stronghold disappears

Before COVID-19, buffets were a Las Vegas staple. They began as greasy spoons where gamblers piled mountains of food on plates themselves. Resorts like Caesars Palace and Wynn evolved buffets into pricier experiences built on top-shelf menus. Gone was the grease and in came the glitz.

Buffets have long been the hospitality industry’s “loss leaders” — the part of the casino that costs more than it brings in but drives people to other parts of the resort. Visitors like options. Las Vegas prided itself as an adult fantasyland with options for everyone.
COVID-19 changed all that. Social distancing and health guidelines made buffets obsolete almost overnight.

Circus Circus closed its buffet in March 2020 and later revealed it would remodel part of the buffet space for a food court. It's unknown when the buffet will return.

Wynn Las Vegas tried having staff take orders at its all-you-can-eat buffet instead of letting guests serve themselves. But the resort closed it in September after customers made it clear they preferred the old way.

The last buffet to go on The Strip was the Cosmopolitan’s Wicked Spoon. It temporarily closed in January.

Before COVID-19, Las Vegas had about 40 buffets. Today, there is one.

The last buffet

It’s about 4 p.m. on a recent Tuesday. Outside the South Point Hotel's Garden Buffet, hungry patrons wait. It’s dinnertime at the last buffet on Las Vegas Boulevard.

“A lot of people say buffets are old-school Vegas. It’s the thing Vegas became known for, and everybody had them. They became a mainstay,” said South Point General Manager Ryan Growney. “The problem with buffets is they are very expensive to operate. For that reason, you’ve seen a lot of people move away from them.

The decision to keep it open was a based on a simple philosophy: What the people want, the people get.

“Customers like it. It’s a people driver. It’s a great thing to take care of your slot and pit customers,” Growney said. “If somebody comes in and you can send them an offer or send them lunch or dinner, there’s great value in that.”

Patrons walk away from the service counter with cake and pie slices. Some wait for a play of Mongolian beef and stir-fried vegetables. Others stand in line for a slab of pink-in-the-middle prime rib.

Will buffets one day return to the Las Vegas scene?

Growney can’t speak for any resort but the South Point, but he has his theories.

“I don’t know how many will come back. Some will choose to go the other way. Some will leave the standard buffet experience in place. Ours will stay in place,” he said. “Last man standing.”


 
I'm all for getting back to normal but MFs still thinking the vaccine is the cure and on top of that some are just getting the 1st shot and saying fuck it or just not getting the shot and saying they have. Some businesses just don't give a fuck they need that money flowing and like if you die you die were getting paid. My grandson speech teacher caught covid from one of her students and she had both shots and on top of that the school didn't notify anyone till the teacher threaten them about it. Greed and stupidity is why we will never shake this virus.
 
While there are obviously things that have changed-- more people working from home, for instance, the people who are gone who otherwise might still be here...

Looking back, on a societal level, it is amazing to me how much it is like Covid never happened. The "new normal" so many people predicted looks a lot like the old normal.
Not really

Tolls are digital

No more things on certain menus
 
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