What Year Was It That The South Killed Hip Hop? Was It 98,99,00?????
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It is, how many fucking times do you need to be cosigned that opportunistic southern rappers killed rap.
I haven't bought a rap album in 12 years, I'll probably never buy another one. All that shit sucks to me.
then how come when the south starts to get hip hop going the music industry is on the decline???? west coast, east coast mid west (nelly, etc) had hip hop poppin now that the south got it now the culture and everything is dead now huh????
i hate talkin about music wit dumbass people. jus cause a song or a artist or a region doesnt make music u like dont me its garbage. if artist u dont like go platinum or sell alot of records then there is a million other muthafukkas who feel totally different than u. everybody got there opinion on music and who is better than who.
and stop post the garbage music in the south like its the only music. u niggas dont name T.I.,UGK,outkast,rick ross,ludacris,lil wayne. yall be naming them 1 hit wonder ass rappers.
and stop post the garbage music in the south like its the only music. u niggas dont name T.I.,UGK,outkast,rick ross,ludacris,lil wayne. yall be naming them 1 hit wonder ass rappers.
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just trying to find out what year hip hop died?what year was it the lil john's album was released? also what year bout it by master p came out.. 1999 or 2000...i think thats the year hip hop got murdered...
Around 2000, not because of the South but because 15 year olds decided what was hot...
south has gotten props maybe since 99. that is only 9 years.
east cost hip hop was poppin to the masses from 1970 until 1990, then again from 93- 99.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: hip hop died officially for me when I saw this album cover for the first time:
everybody at my school was bumping these mixtapes with TRU on them, totally ignoring mainstream radio hip hop (except for tupac and biggie), then came master p, then came the no limit phenomenon...these record labels saw the trend and followed suit, and here we are today.
P had "Hip Hop" artists and lyricist (Mac, Fiend, Mystical, Mia X, Kane & Abel)....
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i hear you, but can we not agree that during those few years in which the face of hip hop drastically changed, there were other artists that were coming out with music that actually had something relevant to say? the masses did not support them so they either faded away into obscurity or licked their wounds, deciding that "if you cant beat them, join them". not only that, but when it all comes down to it, it is your own responsibility to dig deeper than what is presented to you. hell, if you let most schools educate your children on the history of america, they will either feed them lies or teach then that which will further the gains of white america. same with music. if you want something good, expand your horizons. do your own research. turn off mtv and bet...if you let someone else lead you (and this goes for anything in life) you cannot be mad when the outcome isnt as great as you expected.
peace
too many damn times........
and besides ya'll gotta look at them jealous ass, hating fuckers in ny......hip hop wouldnt be in this shape if they wasnt hating on each other..... one thing about the south..... if one person get on, shit, the whole city gonna go get on.....(Houston, Atl, Florida are examples)....but new york, they too scared that the nigga behind him gonna be better than them, so they hate and dont look out for one another.... Hip hop died when New York rappers stopped the growth from their own city..... and for the last time....please stop making this fucking thread im beginning to think ya'll really hate us down here....
I do find it ironic that south cats only seem to support materialism which is okay. However it baffles me that they can disregard something that has meaning. I feel sorry for the the youth and the women who love this club/drug culture. Rap today in general is now ran by greedy jews and the coons they sign to promote their psychological warfare on the black community. The south needs a conscious movement like NY had back in the day. I have seen the "New South" and I tell you the picture does not look pretty for the lovers of all things ignorant and self-destructive.
On the other hand Puffy an eastcoast artist has to take equal blame. The shiny suits and the ballin out of control was overkill. Puffy proved to me that beyond a shadow of a doubt that an eastcoast artist can be super doo doo. He pushed the metrosexual envelope long before Kanye West(my hometown
) did. Atleast south cats did not try to look like cakebois. Puffy was the first official cakeboi in hip-hop history.
My region and city is what will save hip hop. Chicago is the only city doing something different. Real talk. Props to Detroit and Milwaukee and the Northcoast Great Lake cities(we are not eastcoast to you southerners who like to link chicago to nyc) the Great Lakes will get their turn watch.
On the other hand Puffy an eastcoast artist has to take equal blame. The shiny suits and the ballin out of control was overkill. Puffy proved to me that beyond a shadow of a doubt that an eastcoast artist can be super doo doo. He pushed the metrosexual envelope long before Kanye West(my hometown
) did. Atleast south cats did not try to look like cakebois. Puffy was the first official cakeboi in hip-hop history.My region and city is what will save hip hop. Chicago is the only city doing something different. Real talk. Props to Detroit and Milwaukee and the Northcoast Great Lake cities(we are not eastcoast to you southerners who like to link chicago to nyc) the Great Lakes will get their turn watch.
ive always wanted to ask this:
so what exactly do you all mean when "hip hop is dead"
and how exactly did master p of all people kill it?...yall need to read up on that man...he changed the independent game for EVERYONE....regardless of if u like his music people should really respect that man
wayne proved that its still possible to sell a million records...so again i ask...what exactly do you all mean when you say "hip hop is dead"
so what exactly do you all mean when "hip hop is dead"
and how exactly did master p of all people kill it?...yall need to read up on that man...he changed the independent game for EVERYONE....regardless of if u like his music people should really respect that man
wayne proved that its still possible to sell a million records...so again i ask...what exactly do you all mean when you say "hip hop is dead"
Around 2000, not because of the South but because 15 year olds decided what was hot...
truth!
106 and park changed our music in ways alot of people do not want to aknowlege or admit
btw...how u doing
1996 and 97 the rise of no limit. prior to that cats like Face and 8 ball and mjg and outcast had the shit right.
it died when it stopped being about the lyrics.
Brother-Mac
Callin Me- Mac
That's Hip Hop- Mac...so No Limit aint hip-hop
Empire-Mac...No Limit strikes back at you haters
Can You Love Me-Mac
FREE MAC!!!!
For all you hating ass niggas out here, this dude Mac spits the real. Listen & honestly say he not on point. Niggas are quick to hate on P, yet they overlook his talent. No Limit was a record label, not a singular artist. Record labels drop albums every Tuesday, yet niggas say P oversaturated the market because he dropped once a month. Hell, compared to DJ, Interscope, WB, Universal...No Limit wasn't dropping enough.
Callin Me- Mac
That's Hip Hop- Mac...so No Limit aint hip-hop
Empire-Mac...No Limit strikes back at you haters
Can You Love Me-Mac
FREE MAC!!!!
For all you hating ass niggas out here, this dude Mac spits the real. Listen & honestly say he not on point. Niggas are quick to hate on P, yet they overlook his talent. No Limit was a record label, not a singular artist. Record labels drop albums every Tuesday, yet niggas say P oversaturated the market because he dropped once a month. Hell, compared to DJ, Interscope, WB, Universal...No Limit wasn't dropping enough.
too many damn times........
check out the thread with Soulja Boy feat Shawty lo and Gucci mane...
and defend the south then....
truth!
106 and park changed our music in ways alot of people do not want to aknowlege or admit
btw...how u doing
It also died when companies saw how much money DeathRow Records made. I read articles that stated Suge Knight told Interscope he would have the biggest money making label for the decade and was laughed out the office. The independent labels saw the blueprint for drugs, bling, violence, and beef from that company. No Limit and then Cash Money. However, I give the #1 slot to 106 and Park and BET with their rigging of video placement. That station was rumoured to have a blacklist of artists who they felt were irrelevant to hip hop for crying out loud. Who made them the authority? Source Magazine also killed hip hop's journalism credibility for the regular masses/media making hip hop look immature.
"They aint hatin on the rap...they hatin on the money" Bun B
Fuck anybody with something to say about the South...go out and buy this "real hip hop" you niggas speak of and you wouldn't be worried about the South cuz the record companies wouldn't sign these niggas yall complaining about bitch...now shut the fuck up and go back to downloading CDs
I love the dirty south hoe
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just go ahead and close this thread.....because that's what it's about.....ya'll new york niggas are a bunch of jealous motherfuckers....instead of puttin your boys on....you wanna shine till there is no shine....and now all these companies are putting there money behind these dudes in the south......now ya'll salty bout that shit..... im not the biggest d4l, soulja boy, lil wayne fan...but i aint mad at em......and besides somebody gotta be listenin to the shit up there...there's no possible way lil wayne and others can sell a million copies in the south.......but just like d town said..it's a money issue...they pockets up there gettin slim and alot of niggas are getting angry....
but just like d town said..it's a money issue...they pockets up there gettin slim and alot of niggas are getting angry....
No Limit had talented artists, they even had Soulja Slim at one point, but much of the talent didn't get the shine they should've
Personally I love the current state of Hip Hop, I have come to an understand that I am apart of the minority and not the majority..There is some great music out there, you guys just have to find it..The Underground seen has been producing some great music also..
You just have to accept the fact that majority of listeners are probably teenagers and young adults who support their music ALOT more then you support yours...
First and formost HIP HOP is a business so technically it died (or an artists integrity was compromised) when He received his first paycheck...
When you get paid for your work its a job, with that being said, When you have a job you to please your customers..
Artist are only making the type of music they think you the listener wanna hear, Labels are signing the type of artist that that will sell, and the majority will listen too
Shit, If I was a chef and my customers wanted steak, I wouldn't serve them lobster - I might go out of business
You just have to accept the fact that majority of listeners are probably teenagers and young adults who support their music ALOT more then you support yours...
First and formost HIP HOP is a business so technically it died (or an artists integrity was compromised) when He received his first paycheck...
When you get paid for your work its a job, with that being said, When you have a job you to please your customers..
Artist are only making the type of music they think you the listener wanna hear, Labels are signing the type of artist that that will sell, and the majority will listen too
Shit, If I was a chef and my customers wanted steak, I wouldn't serve them lobster - I might go out of business
so lyricism is the sole definition of what "hip hop" is?
without lyricism there is no hip hop?
One thing that I have always wondered was
Whats the real definition of Hip Hop? the music or the culture
to me Hip Hop has always been the culture
Hip Hop = clothes we wear, b-boying, graffiti, Rap
It's funny to me how we don't refer to Rock or County as a a culture
Rock or County is a style of music
(although there is culture associated to it)
...And when we refer to Hip Hop artists does that artist have to necessarily be a rapper, I've read articles where they refer to R Kelly as a Hip Hop artist and not a r&b singer, truth be told if we take the generalized definition of Hip Hop he could intern be associated as a Hip Hop artist based on some of his music...
I have read articles where they refer to Chris Brown as a Hip Hop artist it is clear to me and most of everyone else he is a r&b singer, but again if we take the most generalized definition he can be defined as a Hip Hop artist also
Any thoughts?
Whats the real definition of Hip Hop? the music or the culture
to me Hip Hop has always been the culture
Hip Hop = clothes we wear, b-boying, graffiti, Rap
It's funny to me how we don't refer to Rock or County as a a culture
Rock or County is a style of music
(although there is culture associated to it)
...And when we refer to Hip Hop artists does that artist have to necessarily be a rapper, I've read articles where they refer to R Kelly as a Hip Hop artist and not a r&b singer, truth be told if we take the generalized definition of Hip Hop he could intern be associated as a Hip Hop artist based on some of his music...
I have read articles where they refer to Chris Brown as a Hip Hop artist it is clear to me and most of everyone else he is a r&b singer, but again if we take the most generalized definition he can be defined as a Hip Hop artist also
Any thoughts?
Wow!!!! Another new york nigga hatin!!! I guess he forgot about chicken noodle soup, hi haters, lean back, candy shop, and a host of other worthless ass rappers and wanna be hits. why is it that new york feels they are the only place that can make hip hop? just cause you dont understand the southern swag cause you new york niggas is so self absorbed dont mean you should be a hater. do some soul searchin mufuka cause if hip hop was that easy you would be doing it.(which you probably did but you fuckin suck!!!)
I just don't understand how back in the day when Luda first came out, or even T.I., Hip-Hop was fine...Niggas can't just up and forget about Scarface or any other above average rapper from the south...
Being concious and having common sense are two different things...but it take doesn't common sense to realize that, if the south truly was a terminal illness to the heartbeat of true hip-hop, then how did the blood keep flowing so vigorously when the above stated names were widely recognized as prominent...
Get in it, and most of these gimmicks started up North...50 Cent says it all.
Soulja Boy and whack niggas alike should all be excluded from a purer state of Hip-Hop, but how many of these niggas really and truly consider themselves Hip-Hop. Most of them say that shit to get the feeling of undeserved accomplishment, lyrically or message wise, that they stood for something.
In reality, it's just about money.
What was hot back in the day? Lyricism, that's what Hip-Hop was considered.
A lot of this shit, is actually real music, it's just not the music most "aware" people are "aware" of.
Being concious and having common sense are two different things...but it take doesn't common sense to realize that, if the south truly was a terminal illness to the heartbeat of true hip-hop, then how did the blood keep flowing so vigorously when the above stated names were widely recognized as prominent...
Get in it, and most of these gimmicks started up North...50 Cent says it all.
Soulja Boy and whack niggas alike should all be excluded from a purer state of Hip-Hop, but how many of these niggas really and truly consider themselves Hip-Hop. Most of them say that shit to get the feeling of undeserved accomplishment, lyrically or message wise, that they stood for something.
In reality, it's just about money.
What was hot back in the day? Lyricism, that's what Hip-Hop was considered.
A lot of this shit, is actually real music, it's just not the music most "aware" people are "aware" of.
it musta started here cuz there damn sure isnt ne consiousness in it plus they dressd all fucd up plus they talkin bout ladies , partying, and weird shit
funny niggaz talkin bout being Conscious but fail to acknowledge real southern artists and not jus the 1 hit wonder trash ass niggaz then when niggaz bring out their skeletons then they wanna say lets not talk bout our lame niggaz we talkin bout yall
fuck chicken noodle soup hell even puffy i can go farther back
fat boys
beastie boys
onyx
biz markie
odb
busta rhymes
odb busta wacknesscombo
method man i actually like meth but sawry to say this was wayy b4 mike jones
thing is the young niggaz is the one who starts these threads mostly and they really not even old enuff to speak on things that actually takes a brain that functions past jay-z biggie and nas i can go at the west if u like but since its late fuc these ignorant niggaz
if u not speakin on all u aint speakin on shit get yo hip hop game up u ignant fucks
funny niggaz talkin bout being Conscious but fail to acknowledge real southern artists and not jus the 1 hit wonder trash ass niggaz then when niggaz bring out their skeletons then they wanna say lets not talk bout our lame niggaz we talkin bout yall
fuck chicken noodle soup hell even puffy i can go farther back
fat boys
beastie boys
onyx
biz markie
odb
busta rhymes
odb busta wacknesscombo
method man i actually like meth but sawry to say this was wayy b4 mike jones
thing is the young niggaz is the one who starts these threads mostly and they really not even old enuff to speak on things that actually takes a brain that functions past jay-z biggie and nas i can go at the west if u like but since its late fuc these ignorant niggaz
if u not speakin on all u aint speakin on shit get yo hip hop game up u ignant fucks
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But I have to admit, when cash money came out with all that bling bling shit, shit took a turn for the worst. But then again thats just my generation and my opinion, but shit never died just evolved with different regions and cultures.
Also, thats another problem most of us older cats have, we still stuck in the 90's. I dont like soulja boy as much the next man, but this aint for us, its for the youngins and we are doing nothing but becoming just like our parents saying "This what you call music, Back in my day...." and something to that effect.
Let the kids have they fun, the reason half the shit is like this now is because its OUR OWN DAMN FAULT for not guiding the young one in the right way.
I agree with that. I think the MEDIA killed Hip Hop. It wasnt the south. The south added on to the culture if anything.
Geto Boys-Rap Alot
Eightball MJG-Suave House
Outkast
This is a classic in my book
http://rapidshare.com/files/95338512/South_Circle_-_Anotha_Day_Anotha_Balla__1996_.rar.html
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